June 2, 2015
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLVII No. 24
The House met at 1:30 p.m.
MR.
SPEAKER (Verge):
Order, please!
Admit strangers.
I am pleased to welcome to our gallery this afternoon
Matthew Piercey, Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Cancer Society,
Newfoundland and Labrador Division.
As well as Angela Noseworthy, Manager of Community Services for Daffodil Place.
Welcome to the House of Assembly.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
Statements by Members
MR.
SPEAKER:
Today we will hear members' statements from members representing the Districts
of Bellevue, Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune, Baie Verte – Springdale, St. George's –
Stephenville East, St. John's Centre, and Carbonear – Harbour Grace.
The hon. the Member for the District of Bellevue.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
PEACH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise in this hon. House today to congratulate the
2903 Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps of Norman's Cove-Long Cove on their Annual
Ceremonial Review on Sunday, May 31, 2015.
I had the honour of being a reviewing officer.
With their boots shining, suits well pressed and posture at its best, I
did not have an easy j ob.
This review is the highlight of the year where cadets
display their achievements from the past year to friends, family and their
peers. It is the knowledge,
confidence and self-esteem that you build through being a cadet that helps you
in future actions.
The Cadet Corps is sponsored by the Norman's Cove-Long
Cove town council and this was the forty-third annual review.
I want to recognize the founders of the Cadet Corps: Wilson Callan,
Gilbert Newhook, Hayward Smith, and William Blundon.
Today the Corps has thirty members and five officers.
It is the great leadership of CO Ann Mercer and four other officers who
makes this Corps a success each year.
I ask all members to join me in congratulating the 2903
Royal Canadian Army Cadets on another wonderful year of success in the cadet
movement.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise today to congratulate the 2922 Vimy Ridge Royal
Canadian Army Cadet Corps of Bay d'Espoir for the success of their Annual
Ceremonial Review, which I had the pleasure of attending on May 24th.
I thoroughly enjoyed the day and commend you all for the great pride and
effort you put into your presentations.
Today, it is a pleasure to pay tribute to the following
award recipients: Best Green Star went to Cadet Nathan Manuel; Best Red Star,
Corporal Coady Inkpen; Best Silver Star, Corporal Bianca Stokes; Best Gold Star,
RSM Parker Nugent, who also demonstrated great skill as the parade commander;
Peer Choice was awarded to Master Corporal Melanie Collier; CO Choice, Lance
Corporal Kendra Hoskins; Best Dressed Cadet on Parade was Corporal Coady Inkpen;
and Citizenship Award went to Corporal Bianca Stokes.
I also commend Corporal Bianca Stokes, Corporal Coady Inkpen, and Cadet
Christian Snook for their perfect attendance.
Congratulations also to all fifteen of these fine young men and women on
their rank positions.
I ask all members to join me in congratulating the 2922
Vimy Ridge Cadets for your tremendous dedication, and hope you all continue to
enjoy the countless rewarding experiences and lifelong friendships the corps has
to offer.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Baie Verte – Springdale.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
POLLARD:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Son of Peter and Delores Young of Springdale, Indian
River High School student Riley Young, captured the coveted Mayor's Cup during
the Midget E Easter Minor Hockey Championships.
The Mayor's Cup is awarded to a Springdale player who
excels at the tournament, displaying all the ingredients of a true team player.
Hosted by Springdale, Riley's goal scoring ability propelled his team to
a bronze medal finish.
Die hard hockey fans and supportive parents and
grandparents were treated to some very exciting and tense moments as all the
teams gave it their best shot.
Displaying not only outstanding sportsmanship, but also
sheer grit, determination, and superior hockey sense, Riley made his parents,
teammates, and the entire community extremely proud.
His tenacity, hard work, and positive attitude was exemplary.
Not only is Riley a dedicated player, but he is also extensively involved
in high school sports while maintaining a 90-plus average.
In addition, he volunteered his time, talent, and
energy in church activities and community events.
His dream is to work in sports journalism and to see the Leafs the
Stanley Cup.
Honourable colleagues, Riley Young of Springdale, the
Mayor's Cup recipient.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible) St. Barbe.
MR.
SPEAKER:
I
do not have the Member for St. Barbe on the list.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Replacing the Member for St. George's – Stephenville East.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Was
the statement passed in, in advance?
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Yes, it was, days ago.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
The
takeCHARGE of Your Town initiative started in 2010 and its goal is to encourage
residents and municipalities in Newfoundland and Labrador to reduce their energy
use.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Following over thirty submissions from towns across Newfoundland and Labrador
for 2014, two winners were selected to receive a grant of $7,500.
One was Port au Choix in the District of St. Barbe, specifically the Twin
Town Sports Complex.
The Twin Town Sports Complex will be adding controls on
heaters and pumps that will save energy and save money.
It will also provide a model for the region that other residents,
organizations, and businesses will use to increase their energy efficiency.
The Twin Town Sports Complex does not benefit only
those who use it, but the community and region as a whole.
This facility generates activities and attracts people to the area,
making a huge contribution to the local economy.
Mr. Speaker, I ask all members of this hon. House to
join me in congratulating the Town of Port au Choix Twin Town Sports Complex on
winning the takeCHARGE of Your Town initiative and the grant.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am honoured today to recognize a vital institution in
my District of St. John's Centre, a home away from home for people fighting the
biggest battle of their lives.
Daffodil Place opened its doors in 2009.
The fine people at the Canadian Cancer Society recognized people coming
to St. John's for cancer treatment often face the additional struggle to pay for
accommodations and food while they were here for weeks or months at a time.
The people of the Province responded and today Daffodil
Place serves 351 communities. Since
2009, 3,526 guests have stayed. The
occupancy rate is in the high nineties and there is almost always a waiting
list. The Cancer Society does all
this through ongoing massive fundraising efforts.
Overall, their programs focus on physical activity and helping patients
take control of their own recovery.
The fantastic Defy Cancer Program helps people transfer
back into the community when treatments are finished.
A grief therapy program gives end-of-life care.
Folks undergoing cancer treatment get three meals a day, drives to
appointments, and emotional and practical supports like wigs and temporary
prostheses. This is community at its
best, Mr. Speaker.
To the wonderful folks at Daffodil Place, their army of
volunteers, and everyone who donates, bravo and thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Carbonear – Harbour Grace.
MR.
SLADE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in this hon. House today to
recognize Melissa O'Keefe of Carbonear who recently joined the Carbonear
Volunteer Fire Department. Why is
that so special you may ask? Melissa
becomes the first female member of the Carbonear Volunteer Fire Department in
twenty years, and only the second female in the department since its
incorporation in 1841.
Melissa, a twenty-nine-year-old mother of one son,
Ethan, graduated from Carbonear Collegiate in 2003 and may have been inspired to
pursue a career in firefighting from her aunt, Sonia Williams, who is the former
Chief of the Harbour Grace Fire Department and a twenty-year member for the
department.
Melissa joined the fire department in November of last
year and has been actively involved in training for her new volunteer role.
She is one of the growing numbers of females joining volunteer fire
departments across the Province. Of
the over 6,000 volunteer firefighters in the Province today, approximately 6 per
cent of them are female members, and that number is increasing year over year.
Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join me in
congratulating Melissa O'Keefe as a member of the Carbonear Volunteer Fire
Department and wish her a safe and rewarding career in firefighting.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Statements by Ministers.
Statements by Ministers
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise today in this hon. House to celebrate the
success of the Premier's Youth Advisory Committee's first face-to-face retreat.
Last week, the Minister Responsible for the Office of Public Engagement
and I had the opportunity to meet with twenty-one members of the Committee from
throughout the Province. They met
here in St. John's.
The Office of Public Engagement led the weekend's
activities and reflections, which included exploring ways to collaborate and
work more effectively together through public engagement.
They discussed what it is like to work in the political system, and
examined the Committee's role in the expansion of Bridge the gAPP, which is an
app originally launched by Eastern Health earlier this year to help young people
address critical issues such as stress, relationships, drug use, and suicide.
Mr. Speaker, our goal in reactivating the Youth
Advisory Committee is to empower youth, and to recognize they have a voice.
As we discovered through last weekend's events, the Committee is already
engaged in ensuring the youth voice is heard in our Province.
For example, just days before the retreat, one of the
committee members was a panelist on CBC Radio's Crosstalk.
He spoke very eloquently about the importance of immigration, and how we
all benefit from newcomers who view Newfoundland and Labrador just as
passionately as the people who have lived here their entire lives.
Other committee members are pushing the public discussion in areas
connected to their efforts as part of a number of sub-committees, including the
costs associated with education, career guidance and planning, and diversity
awareness and inclusion.
Mr. Speaker, upon meeting the committee, what impressed
me the most is how each member wants to know how they can collectively make a
difference.
It speaks to the strength of this committee's
convictions – and also to the calibre of the members – that various provincial
government staff reached out to ask how they could incorporate a greater youth
perspective in their work immediately following a presentation by these young
people.
Mr. Speaker, as I referenced after meeting with the
committee on Friday, this weekend retreat of twenty-one young Newfoundland and
Labrador women and men was an opportunity to see first-hand the passion,
intelligence and empathy of our youth.
We will certainly be looking to this committee as a valuable source of
insight as we create plans and initiatives for the future of Newfoundland and
Labrador.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I want to thank the Premier for the advance copy of his
statement. Of course, we know that
youth play an important role in shaping the future of our Province.
They have ideas that need to be heard and used in the decision making of
government.
The Youth Advisory Committee consists of youth sixteen
to twenty-nine years old from all regions of the Province and it is important
that they are provided the necessary resources to accomplish what they have been
asked to do. When I see all of the
members who have been chosen to serve on the committee, I can plainly see that
the future of our Province is in good hands.
They come with strong skills, impressive experience in volunteer work in
their own communities and regions, and they come with a lot of energy.
I want to particularly recognize Raylene Mackey of the
Goulds, who serves as one of our Pages in the House of Assembly and volunteers
on over ten different organizations in our Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
BALL:
I
also notice that some of them are serving on municipal councils.
I am sure we will see many of them in provincial politics in the very
near future. Colin Corcoran as past
Mayor of Riverhead, as an example; Mallary McGrath is a town councillor at
Branch; and Donovan Taplin is a councillor in Wabana.
Mr. Speaker, I want to wish the Youth Advisory
Committee all the success in their deliberations and we look forward to their
suggestions and their advice.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Mr.
Speaker, I thank the fantastic twenty-one young people who gather in good faith
to improve the lives of young people in Newfoundland and Labrador.
They know words are not enough.
Government must commit to concrete solutions, real economic diversity so
youth have a future in their own communities, a plan preventing and ending youth
homelessness, and more school counsellors so students can get help with career
choices and mental health issues.
Government's reductions in jobs through attrition sends
a message there is no room for youth in our public service.
Cuts to MUN, signal to youth they are not a priority.
If government really is committed to youth, real engagement should mean
real change.
Bravo to the Youth Advisory Committee.
We look forward to hearing more from them.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
WISEMAN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, this government is committed to supporting
families and communities throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.
We also recognize there are many instances where families face a crisis.
We are committed to supporting our Province's families through these
difficult times as well. That is why
we have implemented the Job-Protected Unpaid Leave Policy for the public
service. This policy means the jobs
of parents are protected if they need to take some leave to focus on their
families in times of trying circumstances such as dealing with a critically ill
child, or with a crime-related child death or a disappearance.
Mr. Speaker, these circumstances are unimaginable and
ones that we hope no one ever has to face.
In the unfortunate event though that a family is faced with these
situations, this government wants to support families in this Province and
alleviate the added stress of worrying about their employment.
The Job-Protected Unpaid Leave Policy allows working parents to address
the needs of their families, secure in the knowledge that their jobs are being
protected.
The provisions of the Labour Standards Act are not
binding to the Crown which necessitates the development of a stand-alone human
resource policy to ensure employment protection and job-protected, unpaid leave
is extended to public service employees.
As a result, the new policy reflects the Labour
Standards Act and creates the following two new job-protected, unpaid leave of
absence options for the public service: the first one, critically ill child care
leave, which provides up to thirty-seven weeks of unpaid leave for the parent of
a critically ill child to provide care or support to that child; and secondly, a
crime-related child death or disappearance leave, which provides up to fifty-two
weeks of unpaid leave for the parent of a child who disappears as a result of a
probable Criminal Code offence, and up to 104 weeks of unpaid leave for the
parent of a child who dies as a result of a probable Criminal Code offence.
Mr. Speaker, the leave period will not be considered a
break in service. Therefore, upon
the return from unpaid leave, employees will not lose any benefits that had
accrued at the commencement of the period of job-protected unpaid leave.
The Government of Newfoundland and Labrador is
committed to supporting our employees and providing them with the assistance
they need to address any of these family needs.
Our vision for a prosperous Newfoundland and Labrador is demonstrated in
our commitment and investments in the health and well-being of our children and
families.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank the minister for an advance copy of his
statement today. Many of us in this
House, through our own family experiences, or through the extended community
that we participate in certainly understand all too well the issues that face a
family when they are challenged with the critical illness of a child, or in some
cases, the sad reality of a child that has been abducted or lost to a family.
Mr. Speaker, I can certainly say, as somebody who is
celebrating her first anniversary here in the House, I was surprised to realize
that government employees were not protected as part of the Labour Standards
Act. I guess I am still learning
about that, but I am very pleased to stand and support the minister's statement
today. Many people in this House of
Assembly have worked many hours, including my hon. colleague across the hall, on
facilities that support families who are in crises.
Providing home away from home, or even providing services is critical to
those families.
Mr. Speaker, I am certainly pleased to stand and join
the minister in recognizing the importance of providing our public sector
employees with the same protection that many of those individuals who work in
the private sector now enjoy. No
family, no parent, including the parents who are in this House of Assembly, want
the information that their child is ill, and they certainly want the space and
time to be able to serve the needs of their family and the needs of their
children at the right time.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I thank the minister for the advance copy.
I especially thank him because when the Labour Standards Act was changed
in December 2013, we were delighted to speak to this legislative change that was
happening across the country, both federally, and then because of federally,
other jurisdictions, to provide job security for parents who take leave due to a
child's critical illness or criminal disappearance or death.
We are surprised that it is nearly eighteen months
later that government has developed a parallel policy applying to the public
service. While it is better late
than never, I hope that no one in the public service was disadvantaged in the
interim when this job-protected leave was available to other employees, but not
to them.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural Development.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am pleased to
rise in the House today to recognize the organizers of the OCEANS '14
international conference on their recent Destination St. John's Tourism Award
for 2014 Convention of the Year.
From September 14
to 19, 2014 the annual Marine Technology Society/IEEE Ocean Engineering Society
OCEANS Conference was held in St. John's. The
conference featured world-renowned scientists and a wide variety of exhibitors
from around the world.
Darrell O'Neill of
the Ocean Technology and Arctic Opportunities branch of the Department of
Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural Development, and also serving as Chair of
the Local Organizing Committee, accepted the Award of Distinction at a ceremony
at City Hall last week.
Mr. Speaker, my
department, together with ACOA, provided support for a dedicated Project Manager
position, who worked with the Local Organizing Committee and the managing
societies, to make this international conference a major success and one of the
largest conferences ever held in our Province.
The department
provided additional support to OCEANS '14 through the marketing branch, which
developed various advertising campaigns, branding, and conference logo.
The department was also strongly
represented on the local steering committee.
Mr. Speaker, this
recognition is a significant achievement. Officials
in my department work diligently to execute the vision of Newfoundland and
Labrador as a hub of knowledge, skill, and industry growth, to great success.
Mr. Speaker, the
world now comes to us here in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Our Province is on the world stage, and
is a desired location for international conferences.
Yesterday in St. John's, the
International Conference on Ocean, Offshore and Arctic Engineering opened and
next year, in October, we are hosting the Arctic Technology Conference.
This event is the world's most focused
and comprehensive Arctic event.
Mr. Speaker, our
ability to host first-rate international conferences is a testament to the
successful partnerships formed between governments and industry.
OCEANS '14 brought
international travellers to our shores, showcasing Newfoundland and Labrador as
a centre of industry excellence. It also
had the added benefit of economic spinoff for our local tourism and service
sector.
I ask all members
to join me in congratulating the Local Organizing Committee on this notable
recognition from Destination St. John's.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Humber East.
MR. FLYNN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I want to thank the
minister for an advance copy of his statement.
I am pleased to join my colleague in congratulating the organizers of the
OCEANS '14 conference on receiving the St. John's tourism award distinction
convention of the year.
OCEANS '14 featured 1,800 participants and 150
exhibitors, and is said to be one of the largest industry conferences ever held
in the city. Newfoundland and
Labrador is an ideal site for such a convention, given its location in the harsh
North Atlantic. Harsh environments
are a challenge for the ocean technology sector, but as the convention slogan
stated: challenge becomes opportunity.
Such conventions bring people from around the globe to
our Province; therefore, critical to the tourism industry.
Government has recently taken, however, steps backward in bolstering
tourism to our Province such as their decision to layoff product development
staff on the West Coast and in Labrador, as well as a failure to persuade Marine
Atlantic to keep our rates down on the ferries, given that we are down 30 per
cent since 2002.
We have a long way to go yet, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's East.
MR.
MURPHY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I also thank the minister for the advance copy of his
statement here today, and congratulations to all of the people involved in the
OCEANS '14 international conference on a job well done.
Congratulations, as well, on the award of Destination St. John's.
I think we are all pleased this Province is considered
a centre for industry excellence.
Our industry is based in one of the most hostile work environments on the planet
and also one of the most biologically rich and diverse.
That makes it all the more important.
I hope the government is also working on being a leader
in the areas of environmental worker safety as well.
Never has our environment been under so much pressure as what it has been
these ten years, Mr. Speaker. I just
hope the government will be ever vigilant to that fact.
Thank you very much.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Oral Questions.
Oral Questions
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It was announced yesterday that Teekay Offshore
resources would be taking over the shuttle tanker services for our offshore oil
fields. It is a fifteen-year
contract that will see three existing oil tankers replaced by 2018.
I ask the Premier: Since the majority of the crew on
these current tankers are Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, what assurances do
you have that these jobs will be filled by people of our Province?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr. Speaker, it was announced yesterday that Teekay has the new contract in the
offshore. Today in
The Telegram there is a
half-page spread of their advertising jobs for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
Under the Cultural Trading Act, as well as under the
Atlantic Accord Act, in full and fair opportunity, there are provisions there
that the new vessels will be Canadian flagged and must be Canadian crewed.
We have protection there, Mr. Speaker, and by all indications, Teekay
will set up office here in St. John's as well and run their operations from here
in St. John's.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, the company only says that the current crew are
the most welcomed to apply to any of the open positions.
It does not say that the current crew will keep their jobs.
They have the experience in this environment.
I ask the Premier: Do you have any commitment from the
company that the current crew of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians will keep
their jobs?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, given the announcement yesterday, we have a meeting planned with Teekay
in the coming days. Again, to
reiterate the fact that it is Canadian flagged and Canadian crewed.
They are advertising out of our local paper today, Mr. Speaker.
Looking to protect the jobs of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians will be
of the utmost interest for us; but, as well, understanding and respecting the
provisions under the Atlantic Accord Act with respect to full and fair
opportunity.
Also, given the fact the experience and the work that
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are currently doing in the offshore, Mr.
Speaker, I am confident that the people of this Province will have the
opportunity to work on those tankers.
We will certainly reiterate that when we meet with Teekay in the coming
days.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, we also understand there are offshore exploration
vessels tied up at St. John's Harbour waiting on the C-NLOPB to grant regulatory
equivalencies. These vessels have
been tied up for over a week due to the confusion on the federal transitional
regulations.
I ask the Premier: How many of these vessels are
contracted to Nalcor?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
HUTCHINGS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, in relation to the transitional
occupational health and safety guidelines from Transport Canada to some vessels
working offshore, incidentally, seismic vessels, we have worked through the
Labour Relations Agency, received requests in regard to exemptions to operate in
regard to the amount of hours they are allowed to be expended in regard to
workers on those vessels.
We have worked through some of those exemptions with
the C-NLOPB. There are others that
are with the regulatory arm of the C-NLOPB, with the safety officer down there.
We continue to work through them and certainly hope to find a resolution
to it very quickly.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Since these come with tremendous costs if these vessels
are waiting for those regulations and those changes, I ask the minister: How
many of those vessels are now contracted to Nalcor?
This impacts directly to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
How many of those are contracted to Nalcor?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, what the leader is referring to is an extremely positive story.
Despite what we are seeing in the global downturn in prices, the global
industry, particularly around the seismic work that feeds into future
opportunities and future developments, these companies are focused right in the
offshore of Newfoundland and Labrador.
It is a tremendous positive story.
In the latest round of bids, Mr. Speaker, ExxonMobil
were successful with their partners.
I understand that these vessels are primarily – it is my understanding that they
are contracted to ExxonMobil to do their work as they proceed for the future.
Again it is a very positive story about significant
investment, not only from major players in the industry, but also the companies
that are out there looking for new opportunities.
We are excited to have them here.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There is no doubt that this could have a positive
impact on Newfoundland and Labrador, but the positive impact is really more – we
will see that more when these vessels are working.
The cost of these vessels can be up to $200,000 a day and they have been
tied up for over a week. With a
request for the regulatory equivalency made, the C-NLOPB posts the information
for thirty days before making a decision.
I ask the Premier: Since this is causing unexpected
delays, what impact will this have on Nalcor's exploration program and what are
the additional costs associated with the delay?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, the issue the Leader of the Opposition refers to is being worked on by
the C-NLOPB and a company. We hope
to get some resolutions and see some resolutions so that these vessels can get
out and do the work that they are contracted to do.
Specific to any costs to Nalcor, Mr. Speaker, I would
have to check and see. I do know
they are contracted by ExxonMobil.
There is multi-client work going to happen here.
I will check and see if there are any costs to Nalcor and if there is, I
will certainly report it back.
Once again I would like to reiterate the fact, Mr.
Speaker, that this is very exciting for the Province.
Despite a downturn, we are going to see some 3-D seismic work go on that
is going to feed into tremendous opportunities for the people of the Province in
the future.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Last year, the Women's Policy Office underspent its
budget by over $1 million or 24 per cent.
I ask the Premier: How do you justify underspending
this budget by over $1 million, the price tag for two family violence prevention
courts?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I can tell you that the Violence Prevention Initiatives
underway by the Women's Policy Office are significant projects, Mr. Speaker.
They are important projects to the people of the Province as well.
Mr. Speaker, as you go through projects and you have
timing on projects from time to time, there is more work or more analysis that
needs to be done on them, and sometimes that moves it off of budget periods and
move you through budget periods from one year to the next.
Not to lose focus on the Women's Policy Office and the
important work that they do, because they have very strong relationships with
groups representing women throughout Newfoundland and Labrador, and they do
great work on behalf of those groups and in partnership with those groups and
for women in the Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, government has been operating without a violence
prevention action plan for three years now, and responsibility for the Status of
Women has passed through five Cabinet ministers in the last year alone.
This underspending speaks to the priority this government places on
women's policy issues.
I ask the Premier: How do you justify a quarter of your
budget last year being underspent?
Is it a lack of leadership, or do you consider improving the status of women and
violence prevention a discretionary spending item?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
On
the contrary, Mr. Speaker, this is certainly not discretionary spending.
It is very important investments and very important spending that takes
place. As we have seen, some of the
initiatives that have taken place are as a result of planning and work done that
has been led by the Women's Policy Office in partnership with groups around the
Province.
So for the member opposite to suggest that there is
anything less than absolute importance to the Women's Policy Office – that is
why we put it there, that is why we continue to support it, and that is why we
have a Women's Policy Office in this Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
MR.
CROCKER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Last September, just one day before this Premier took
office, the Canadian Federation of Independent Business reported small business
confidence in Newfoundland and Labrador was the highest in the country.
Now it is among the lowest.
Government's failure to boost business confidence is obvious, and their planned
HST increase will only make things worse.
So I ask the minister: How can you say the Budget is
good for business development, when business owners disagree?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The member opposite is very much aware of the difficult
financial and fiscal circumstances that face not only Newfoundland and Labrador,
but other provinces and the country itself, Mr. Speaker.
What we have done is we have created a plan to work our way through a
very challenging time – the same as we have done before.
It is us over here who have the experience and the background, and
demonstrated the good result of –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
–
working through some very difficult times as a Province.
The member opposite only needs to go back to 2008 and 2009 when
Newfoundland and Labrador was the fastest Province to move through that
turndown, and –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
–
to be successful and come out even stronger and better when we turned that
corner.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
MR.
CROCKER:
Mr.
Speaker, eighteen months of consecutive job losses and raising the HST which is
another job killer, is that a plan?
Mr. Speaker, the CFIB report also shows that only 13
per cent of small business owners plan to hire staff in the next three months,
when this is supposed to be the hiring season.
This is the lowest we have seen, post-recession, I say to the Premier.
I ask the minister: Besides their job-killing HST hike,
what plans does this government have for small business in our Province?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, we are working very hard to sustain the
very strong economy that we have built in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The member opposite only needs to look back in the past when there have
been massive decisions made by government when they faced very difficult fiscal
times.
Let's go back to the 1990s, Mr. Speaker, when members
opposite laid off 2,000 people.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
The
member should look at what happened back in those days, Mr. Speaker, when
businesses not only stopped hiring, they shut down and people left the Province
and moved away. I tell you, we are
going to make our best efforts to ensure that does not happen to Newfoundland
and Labrador.
We are not laying off thousands of public servants like
members opposite did, Mr. Speaker.
We are going to stick with our public servants, we are going to stick with our
economy, we are going to partner with business, and we will have a better
tomorrow for our Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. George's – Stephenville East.
MR.
REID:
Mr.
Speaker, the College of the North Atlantic is currently in the process of moving
programs from one campus to another and has, in some cases in the last few
years, eliminated programs. The
justification given in many cases is low enrolment.
I ask the minister responsible for post-secondary
education: Is he aware of concerns about the lack of proper promotion of these
programs?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I have to tell you we are very proud of the work that
the College of the North Atlantic has done here in this Province, Mr. Speaker,
and also the education that they are providing for thousands of Newfoundlanders
and Labradorians, and also Canadians.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Mr.
Speaker, from time to time the College of the North Atlantic does make changes.
They make changes to programs.
They look at where the demand is in the market, what programs are in high
demand, where our economy and where businesses in the Province need additional
training and need additional students.
There are other places where there has been a
substantial amount of training done and there is less of a demand, Mr. Speaker.
We expect the College of the North Atlantic to roll with that, to adjust
their programs, and deliver services that are in demand for our Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. George's – Stephenville East.
MR.
REID:
Mr.
Speaker, the concerns that are being raised is that the college is not being
competitive enough in promoting their programs and that they are not
participating in things like social media.
Also, concerns have been raised that acceptance letters are not being
received in a timely manner.
I ask the minister: Will he direct officials in his
department to look into these deficiencies and, if necessary, address them, Mr.
Speaker?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
What I just heard the member opposite say is that the College of the North
Atlantic is not investing enough in promoting the college and the courses and
the programs. Mr. Speaker, a very
interesting position for the members opposite to take, considering last week
they criticized us for trying to draw attention and to bring people to –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
–
government websites that are knowledgeable about what government services are
available and what this year's Budget contains, Mr. Speaker.
Last week, they were criticizing we are spending too
much on promotion; this week, they are saying we are not spending enough, Mr.
Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
The
College of the North Atlantic, Mr. Speaker, does a great job in delivering very
important programs and services to post-secondary students in Newfoundland and
Labrador. They provide a good quality of
programs. I tell you when students
leave the College of the North Atlantic, they go on to long-term careers – many
of them right here in Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for St. George's – Stephenville
East.
MR.
REID:
Mr.
Speaker, the concern here is that rather than spend money promoting programs at
the college in a proper way, government is spending money on politically
motivated self-promotion.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
REID:
That is the problem here; it is the way that this money is being spent.
I want to ask the minister, the Premier, or whoever
wants to answer: What are you going to do to address these concerns that people
are raising about the promotion of programs at the college?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Mr.
Speaker, to be clear, he has just reiterated once again that when we, as a
government, promote what is contained in the Budget so we educate the people of
–
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
We
help to provide information to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador so they
know –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
–
what is in the Budget and every time we have done anything publicly to talk
about the Budget, we encourage people to go to our website, Mr. Speaker.
We do it through –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask members for their co-operation.
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Every time we have done it, we have directed people to
the website where the Budget is so that they can peruse the Budget in detail and
see the information.
Mr. Speaker, every day constituency assistants for
members of this entire House of Assembly receive calls from constituents.
Very frequently, one of the highest demand calls that constituency
assistants receive is looking for information on programs and services. We are
directing the people right to the website to help them understand better what is
available for them.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Humber East.
MR.
FLYNN:
Mr.
Speaker, there are over 150 tourism establishments across the Province operating
without a licence. This week, being
National Tourism Week, the industry has concerns for the safety of the patrons
who are staying at these unlicensed tourism accommodations.
I ask the minister: What steps is this government
taking to ensure the compliance of life safety regulations by operators with
unlicensed accommodations?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Mr.
Speaker, I say to the member opposite, and I thank him for his question.
It is important to make sure that regulations and standards are in place
that provide quality services, Mr. Speaker, because we have more people coming
to our Province than we have ever had before.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
We
are heading into our tourism season.
We know that bed and breakfasts and inns, tourist-based opportunities –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
They do not like to hear me talk over there, Mr. Speaker – tourism industry,
people who are creating jobs, providing economic drivers for tourism, creating
great opportunities for visitors to enjoy what our Province has to offer, and
they are growing in leaps and bounds.
We should ensure they are all properly registered.
That they provide the standards and qualifications that they should have,
and we are working hard to make sure that happens.
We have a growing industry, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Humber East.
MR.
FLYNN:
Mr.
Speaker, I am not questioning the great product we have in this Province and
some great operators, but this is a life and safety issue.
Recently, three people were rescued from a fire at a
hotel in Marystown, which was operating without a valid accommodations licence
from government. Government is
responsible for inspecting and licensing tourism establishments, including
ensuring they have a complement with fire safety regulations.
I ask the minister: When will you begin enforcing your
own regulations for the safety of its occupants?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
As I said, it is important that we have regulations,
that we have standards. Standards
and regulations quite often – it is not only about the quality of the product,
but it is also about the safety of the individuals who utilize those services,
if it be accommodations as the member opposite has referred to.
Mr. Speaker, I encourage anyone, and everyone in the
Province, that anywhere they go, if they see a circumstance they do not believe
is right or does not meet the requirements of legislation, pick up the phone and
contact someone to make sure it can be looked after and checked into.
All tourism operators are fully aware, and I have
talked to many of them –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
–
who believe they all need to share in responsibilities to ensure that life
safety is always in place for people who are visiting and utilizing those
services, Mr. Speaker, and also they work together to provide a better product.
The higher the product that is provided, then the better reputation
Newfoundland and Labrador is going to have globally and the more visitors are
going to come visit us.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Mr.
Speaker, section 67 of the Children and Youth Care and Protection Act says that
youth needing protective intervention can sign a youth services agreement to get
supports and funding from CYFS. If
that youth was in custody or care of CYFS on their sixteenth birthday, they can
receive supports until their twenty-first birthday.
If they were not in care and custody of CYFS on their sixteenth birthday,
they can receive supports only until their nineteenth birthday.
I ask the minister: Why does he provide supports to
some youth until age twenty-one, but to others only until age nineteen when all
of them are considered by his department to need protective intervention?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am very pleased to say over here that our government
wanted to make sure that services, assistance, and supports to very vulnerable
youth did not just end at the age of sixteen, Mr. Speaker.
That is why we support the advancements of programs of youth beyond
sixteen.
It is not that many years ago, Mr. Speaker, that when a
young person reached the age of sixteen, they were no longer entitled to
services from Child, Youth and Family Services.
At the time it used to come under the health care authorities.
We took the steps to create a stand-alone
department to provide those services.
We have advanced –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
We
advanced those services to youth beyond sixteen.
Yes, there are conditions, Mr. Speaker.
I tell the member opposite, I know from my own personal experience that
as a young person ages and passes the age of sixteen, it becomes much more
difficult to ensure they stay within those programs.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I will ask the Premier the question again.
I know the Finance Minister is not good at math and maybe the Premier is
not good at ages.
Section 67 of the Children and Youth Care and
Protection Act says that youth needing protective intervention can sign a youth
services agreement to get supports and funding from CYFS.
If that youth was in custody or care on their sixteenth birthday, they
can receive supports until their twenty-first.
If they were not in care and custody on their sixteenth birthday, they
could only receive supports until their nineteenth birthday.
So the question is: Why does the Premier provide
supports to some youth until age twenty-one but to others until age nineteen,
when all of them are considered by his department to need protective
intervention?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Mr.
Speaker, to put it in perspective, what used to happen was when a young person
turned sixteen, the services and programs that were available to them came to an
abrupt end. It stopped happening.
What we have done, Mr. Speaker, is we now advance those
services. So if a young person who
is receiving care and support at the age of sixteen, and let's say, for example,
they have a serious interest in furthering their education, then those services
will continue with that youth so they can continue to support their –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
It
will support their efforts, Mr. Speaker, to continue with that education.
Bringing that person right up to the age of twenty-one affords them an
equal and beneficial opportunity to complete a post-secondary education as well,
with grounded supports and assistance around them.
That is why we changed it and provide better services than have ever been
provided before (inaudible).
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, the question was about age discrimination between
twenty-one year olds and nineteen year olds.
The question is: Why does this government provide
supports to some youth until age twenty-one, but to others only until age
nineteen, when all of them are considered by this government to need protective
intervention? Why the
discrimination?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Mr.
Speaker, I just referenced it, and I will reference it again for the benefit of
the member opposite, because this is about children and youth who are –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
–
about children and youth who are receiving services, Mr. Speaker, from Child,
Youth and Family Services. Instead
of just cutting them off, like used to happen, it is a chance to continue with
those programs and services so that youth can continue to benefit from those
services and programs, especially when they are engaged and they want those
services.
Now, we see circumstances, Mr. Speaker, where sixteen
or seventeen year olds do not want the services.
They do not want to be engaged with government at that point in their
lives. We cannot bring them into the
program and force them to come in kicking and screaming.
This is about those who want to continue in programs because they
benefit, and it is paying off because more are graduating from school, going on
to post-secondary education and getting careers in Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Clearly, the Premier, former Minister of Child, Youth
and Family Services, needs a briefing on the department that he used to be the
minister of, because he does not seem to understand the question.
The question is: Why do you extend support services to
some people until age twenty-one, whereas others can only receive the same
support services until age nineteen, even though all of them are deemed to be in
need of protective intervention?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
I
am glad I get another chance to continue that discussion, Mr. Speaker, because –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
– because it is a very important and serious matter for
this government. It was important
enough that we took the steps to make those changes to ensure that people
continue to receive programs and services beyond the age of sixteen.
We have also seen times – again, I tried to tell this
to the member opposite earlier. That
I have seen cases as well where children and youth want to leave those programs.
They leave those programs and services.
They do not want to be there.
We know members opposite have shown a concern in the
past about, well, why do you let them leave those programs?
Members opposite have asked questions about it before.
This is about continuing those supports.
We have some great programs and partnerships.
Choices for Youth is a great example of great work they are doing with
youth in Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
The Premier recently noted that minimum processing
requirement cod exemptions given to OCI under a pilot project were to allow them
the opportunity to find new markets and new mechanisms to build the industry.
I ask the Premier: Has the company provided information
about the new markets that the exemptions enabled them to explore and, if so,
can the Premier table it?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Just to clarify as well – and the minister, I am sure,
will provide further details for the member opposite momentarily. Minimum
processing requirements are one of two jurisdictional authorities that we have
as a Province and as a government here in the fishing industry.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
PREMIER DAVIS:
What we do is partner with businesses, we partner with industry to allow them to
seek out new markets and new opportunities for our fishing industry, and they
have proven to be very successful ventures in the past, Mr. Speaker.
It is a good opportunity, but what is important on MPRs
is that we control the MPRs. Even
though the federal government wanted us to give up MPRs as part of CETA, Mr.
Speaker, we are not doing that. We
are going to keep control of that for the best interests of our fishery and our
people right here in the Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am taking that as a no to my question.
Therefore, I ask the Premier: To what purpose did
government grant these exemptions if no validating information is returned in
exchange?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
GRANTER:
Mr.
Speaker, we have had a great deal of discussion over the last little while with
regard to MPRs, especially around OCI and the Fortune plant.
We have worked diligently with the community of Fortune and the plant
workers of Fortune. I met with union
officials this morning and a union representative from the FFAW here in St.
John's. Minimum processing
requirements – last year we issued 500,000 pounds of cod exemptions in the
Province, and only a small percentage of the MPR exemptions were used last year.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's East.
MR.
MURPHY:
Mr.
Speaker, you ask any emergency responder and they will tell you that the new 911
service here in the Province is two-tier.
There is a difference between a call taker and a dispatcher.
Why doesn't government recognize the failing of the
Province-wide 911 system as it is at present, and fix it so that all have an
equal dispatch service in the Province?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister Responsible for Fire and Emergency Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The member would know that he is being a little bit
disingenuous in the way he has phrased his question in the preamble there.
There is not a two-tiered system that the Government of Newfoundland and
Labrador has implemented; in fact, there is a common 911 system for the entire
Province, Mr. Speaker.
The member is referencing certain parts of the Province
where municipalities have taken it upon themselves to enter into an arrangement
to further enhance the service in their particular area.
That is well within the right of municipalities throughout the Province,
I say to the member opposite.
Mr. Speaker, 911 as we deliver in this Province is
generic and common to all people throughout all parts of the Province.
As a matter of fact, as I have said a number of times before, government
is now moving to the next stage to work on Next Generation 911.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's East.
MR.
MURPHY:
Mr.
Speaker, consumers want a 911 system in this Province; that, there is no doubt.
They expect a system that uses dispatchers, not just call takers.
There is a difference, and both the minister and the public know this.
We cannot be fooled. The
public cannot be fooled on this.
I ask the minister: If consumers are looking for
immediate 911 dispatcher access, not call-taker access, shouldn't they get what
they are paying for, for the seventy-five cents a phone line?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister Responsible for Fire and Emergency Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KING:
Mr.
Speaker, I say to the member opposite that he has the luxury of standing on that
side of the House every single day, as he does, and demand actions from this
government on budgetary items – every single day.
We have a list here in one of the drawers as long as your arm of the
members from the Third Party demanding action every single day on budgetary
items.
I say to the member opposite if you ever get the chance
to sit on this side of the House, you will recognize very quickly that
governments are constrained by the budgetary policies of government, Mr.
Speaker. We made a Blue Book
commitment several years ago to bring in 911 and we have met that commitment.
As I have said a few moments ago, we have also made the commitment to
work towards Next Generation 911.
Very clearly, people in the Province are receiving what this government
committed to, which was common, generic 911 service for the entire part of the
Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The time for Question Period has expired.
Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.
Tabling of Documents.
Notices of Motion.
Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.
Petitions.
Petitions
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS many parents have expressed concern about the
impact of overcrowding at Beachy Cove Elementary on students' mental and
physical well-being; and
WHEREAS many parents have questioned the impact of
major space restrictions at Beachy Cove Elementary and the ability of the school
to continue delivering quality curriculum in their growing student population;
and
WHEREAS many parents have expressed concern about
government's prolonged timelines to plan, tender, and construct the approved
intermediate Grade 5-9 school in Portugal Cove-St. Phillips;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge government to provide all the
necessary resources in Budget 2015 and beyond to have the Portugal Cove-St.
Phillips intermediate Grade 5-9 school constructed, commissioned, and
operational for students in September 2016.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, I suppose there are about another fifty or
so signatures on this petition. I
note the government issued a press release yesterday saying that the school is
going to progress. Interestingly
enough, we have another one of these schools purposely designed for expansion.
I like to call them the rubber schools that the government is building.
You just sort of stretch them out after a while and they will be big
enough. Sort of like Beachy Cove
Elementary has been, another school designed or built for expansion.
It could be expanded by adding modular classrooms in the parking lot and
so on and so forth.
We will certainly be here.
As long as I am here – let's put this way – in the House of Assembly I
will be holding whichever government to account on this particular issue.
I do not think a lot of people in our communities, whether it is Portugal
Cove-St. Phillips, or Torbay, or Paradise and so on, believe the bill of goods
they are being sold by this government, that somehow all these schools are going
to be ready for 2016, no problem. As
I said before, there are lots of instances where this government has built
schools that are too small, they are too late, and basically too short of the
promise that was originally made.
We still have lots of these petitions coming.
People in the community are going to be holding the minister, the members
in those areas, and this government to account for their commitments on these
particular schools. We know that
wherever kids live around the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, they
deserve to have the same level and the same quality of education as others.
One of the biggest concerns people have today is (a)
whether or not these schools are going to be actually built, in place,
constructed, commissioned and open for September 2016, and whether or not these
expansions that they are talking about are something that are going to be needed
immediately or something that is going to be relatively straightforward to do.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I remind the member his time has expired.
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the Strait of Belle Isle is a very important
transportation link between Labrador and the Island of Newfoundland; and
WHEREAS both commercial and residential traffic is
continuously increasing because of the opening of the Trans-Labrador Highway and
increased development in Labrador; and
WHEREAS the existing ferry service can no longer
effectively handle the traffic; and
WHEREAS there have been many interruptions in the ferry
service, especially during the 2014 and 2015 winter season;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland
and Labrador to complete a comprehensive feasibility study for a fixed link
across the Strait of Belle Isle that would include a geological assessment and a
full cost analysis;
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, eventually, at long last, most of the ice
from this past winter seems to be gone.
We still need to continue to talk about the need for this important study
because the ice will come again, because that is where we live.
Mr. Speaker, the minister a few minutes ago talked
about the people who get up on the Opposition and ask for things that have a big
cost dollar value attached to it, but this is about vision.
This is about planning. This
is about are we going to continue to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in
ferries while all around the world in places like Norway they are looking at
models and they are looking at tunnels.
The Minister of Finance the other day said he thought it was good.
He thought it was a good idea for a fixed link, but the time was only
coming now in the next ten years.
Just the other day in debate the Minister of
Transportation said that I like to stand on my soapbox and I like to sound
passionate. Mr. Speaker, I could not
believe it. I have an obligation
here on behalf of the people. Why
would we lock ourselves into a ferry service for the next twenty-five years when
we are clearly going to continue to have the same kinds of problems?
We have an RFP that has been pulled off the table.
We do not know when we are getting a new ferry.
Ten years is enough to lock us into that, and then we need to be looking
at a fixed link. We need to be doing
a full, comprehensive feasibility study to see if in fact this is an option for
the Strait of Belle Isle, or if it is not.
I will continue to stand and bring forward the concerns
and the interests of the people who use the ferry from both sides of the
Labrador Straits, and indeed around the rest of the Province.
Thank you.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
To the House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned residents humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS privatized nursing homes lower operating costs
by paying lower wages, de-unionizing, laying people off and cutting staff in
these facilities; and –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask members for their co-operation.
The hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, and I appreciate that on behalf of the people
whose petition I am reading.
WHEREAS studies have established that for-profit
nursing homes are associated with lower quality of services and poorer resident
health outcomes, including an increased risk of hospitalization; and
WHEREAS Auditors General of the Provinces of Nova
Scotia, New Brunswick and Ontario have reported that P3s cost taxpayers more;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge government to immediately stop
the privatization of long-term care.
As in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.
I am very pleased to stand again, Mr. Speaker.
These petitions have been coming in to me for a while.
These signatures today are once again from Central Newfoundland.
All of them, actually, are from Grand Falls-Windsor, people who are
concerned because they are reading the reports that I have been referring to
here in the House of Assembly when questioning the Premier.
They are reading the reports that say privatization of long-term care is
not working. Reports that are done
on a number of levels, some of them are done with regard to the actual care of
people in long-term care homes. We
have one province, Saskatchewan in particular, where deaths of people in homes
are being investigated.
The petitioners are also aware of the reports of
Auditors General of at least three provinces, and I am aware of a fourth one,
whereas it is being shown that it is actually not cost effective to have the
private sector involved, that in actual fact it is more expensive.
Very often the construction of facilities are costing more money than if
they had been done under traditional contracts.
As well, the type of care that is happening inside the homes is lower
than that run by the public sector, by government.
The main reason is obvious, Mr. Speaker, that the private sector has to
make money.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
Do I continue, or is that order for the floor?
MR.
SPEAKER:
You
have another thirty seconds.
The hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi has
another thirty seconds.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much.
The disruption of the floor, okay.
So, to say we do have a study showing that the care of
people is also suffering. In
Saskatchewan, deaths are being investigated.
It is very disheartening for the petitioners and for me to hear
government denying that these reports are there and refusing to recognize it.
Other provinces know privatization of these services should not be
happening.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
MR.
CROCKER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the community of Northern Bay is a significant
tourism attraction in the District of Trinity – Bay de Verde; and
WHEREAS the site of a commercial building that was
destroyed by fire several years ago; and
WHEREAS the remains of this fire still exist along
Route 80 in Northern Bay;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland
and Labrador to ensure the necessary cleanup occurs.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, this is my second opportunity to enter
this petition, or a similar petition.
It is interesting because I am entering it on behalf of the residents of
Northern Bay, but when I look at the addresses of the people who signed this
petition, it is people from all along Route 70: Ochre Pit Cove, Gull Island,
Adam's Cove, Western Bay, Bay de Verde, Burnt Point, Broad Cove, Victoria,
Kelligrews, Cape Spear, Lower Island Cove, St. John's, and Job's Cove.
Mr. Speaker, that is just to name a few on this petition of well over 100
signatures this afternoon of people who are concerned with the environmental
mess, eyesore, and threat that exists today in Northern Bay.
Mr. Speaker, just last week the minister had his
officials on site. We have not seen
any concrete action yet of what is going to be done with this site.
Tens of thousands of people visit Northern Bay Sands each and every
summer. It is one of the largest
tourism attractions in the district.
These people come from all over the Avalon Peninsula and other parts of the
Province.
Mr. Speaker, this has been an issue that has been
raised by the people of Northern Bay with the previous member and they continue
today to raise it with me. We are
asking the Department of Environment to do this clean up as soon as possible.
There is no need to put up with another tourism season of this eyesore
directly across the entrance of Northern Bay Sands.
It is simply not acceptable.
Mr. Speaker, in conclusion, I ask the minister to
direct his officials to take the necessary action to have this property
immediately cleaned up.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Conception Bay South.
MR.
HILLIER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
A petition to the hon. House of Assembly of the
Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of
the undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the Town of Conception Bay South is the
second-largest municipality in the Province with a population of approximately
26,000 people; and
WHEREAS recent dangerous incidents on community streets
have highlighted concerns of high speed and –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
HILLIER:
– inadequate traffic control in Conception Bay South; and
WHEREAS residents, organized groups and the town
continue to raise awareness about pedestrian safety along main streets and the
lack of police presence in Conception Bay South;
We, the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to
urge government to review the level of policing in Conception Bay South with an
objective to increasing police services and improving public safety.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, this is several times I have brought this
petition forward. I know any number
of groups within the town have taken this petition to be signed.
I first want to point out, as I have in the past, that
in no way am I criticizing the work that the RNC currently does in our town.
In fact, they continue to present themselves in a very professional
manner as they go about their daily work. Mr.
Speaker, I am more concerned, I guess, that the issue is tied more to the degree
of policing and the perception of residents and the visibility of police in the
community.
This petition came about to focus on the main issue
that deals with speeding and dangerous driving on three highways that run
through Conception Bay South: Route 60, Conception Bay South Bypass Road, and
Foxtrap Access Road. It is only
recently we have had several serious accidents on the Conception Bay South
Bypass Road, for whatever reason, whether it is construction issues or, more of
a concern, the speed and dangerous driving of people on that highway.
Mr. Speaker, I know recently the mayor has called for
more police presence on that highway.
It is not only on the highways.
It is in the neighbourhoods as well.
I know when I was growing up in Conception Bay South, we learned to ride
our bikes on the street. We did not
have to go somewhere else. We did
not have to ride them on sidewalks.
We did not have to go to parking lots to learn to ride our bike.
We rode our bikes on the streets.
Mr. Speaker, that is a concern today in that –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I remind the member his time has expired.
MR.
HILLIER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House
of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament
assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of Newfoundland and
Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS government
has a responsibility to ensure that Internet access is broadly available so
people have a right to be able to access the Internet in order to exercise and
enjoy their rights to freedom of expression and opinion and other fundamental
human rights; and
WHEREAS Bide Arm
was bypassed under the Broadband and Rural and Northern Development Initiative,
which saw high-speed Internet added to thirty-six communities on the Great
Northern Peninsula in 2004; and
WHEREAS nearly a
decade later, Bide Arm still remains without broadband services despite being an
amalgamated town with Roddickton; and
WHEREAS residents
rely on Internet services for education, business, communication, and social
activity; and
WHEREAS wireless
and wired technologies exist to provide broadband service to rural communities
to replace slower dial-up service;
We, the
undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to urge the government to assist
providers to ensure Bide Arm is in receipt of broadband Internet services in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
The petition is
signed by residents of Bird Cove and Roddickton.
Mr. Speaker, Bide Arm has a good business community there.
When it comes to looking at expanding services and how you can promote
and advertise, whether it be through James Randell & Sons Ltd. or D's Beauty
World, or looking at the trucking companies that exist or the Western
Newfoundland and Labrador Developers Co-operative that exits there,
Ashton House, you talk about the ability to be able to connect with business and
to thrive; you need the basic service of broadband Internet.
It makes a lot of sense to offer that service.
If you talk about the industry, Bide Arm and Roddickton
has been surrounded by forests and predominantly heavily involved in the
forestry. If you do not have access
to good telecommunications, then you cannot look at diversifying your economy
and creating good jobs for the people in the region.
Government has really failed by not pursuing – after
broadband one, two, and now the potential for broadband three – not to see a
town, a municipality like Roddickton-Bide Arm to be able to fully have broadband
Internet. It shows contempt.
It shows disgrace. It is
absolutely terrible that a Town of Roddickton-Bide Arm would not have broadband
Internet in this day and age. I call
upon the government to support this initiative.
Thank you.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Orders of the Day.
Orders of the Day
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
KING:
At
this time I move, pursuant to Standing Order 11, that the House not adjourn at
5:30 p.m. today, Tuesday, June 2, 2015.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
motion is that the House not adjourn at 5:30 p.m. today.
All those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you again, Mr. Speaker.
I move, pursuant to Standing Order 11, that the House
not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. today, Tuesday, June 2, 2015.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
motion is that the House not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. today.
All those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, 'nay.'
The motion is carried.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I also want to give notice to members that the
Estimates for Executive Council as well as the Office of Public Engagement will
be debated here in the House in Committee of the Whole this coming Thursday,
which is June 4, I do believe.
With that, I would like to call from the Order Paper,
Order 3(a), Concurrence Motion to debate the Resource Committee.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The Government House Leader – Concurrence Motion, which
one?
MR.
KING:
Excuse me, Mr. Speaker, on the Order Paper it is 3(a), the Resource Committee.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Resource Committee.
The motion is that the report of the Resource Committee
be concurred in.
The hon. the Member for Bonavista North.
MR.
CROSS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I guess I would just like to say it has been
three-and-a-half years of standing in the hon. Chamber.
Like the Member for Bay Verte – Springdale said the other day, you are
still pinching yourself to realize that you are living the dream.
You are still here and having the privilege to be able to stand to
represent people when you stand up to speak.
I also realize, Mr. Speaker, mentioning that
three-and-a-half years – first when we came into the House in the spring of that
year, the Government House Leader read the names of the members who would be on
different committees. I suppose I
had a little bit of knowledge, and I heard my name read to be on the Public
Accounts Committee. Then I relaxed
and said, oh, I am on the Public Accounts Committee.
I sat back and relaxed. Then
all of a sudden, a few short minutes later, he said the Member for Bonavista
North is also on the Resource Committee.
I sort of did a double beat then because I did not realize what that was
precisely.
It is probably only when you do get into the Estimates
committees on the Budget that you understand and get a chance to be able to pay
attention, to study what is happening when the minister comes into the House
with all kinds of officials from his department, the actual Resource Committee,
or other committees.
There are three committees altogether, Mr. Speaker, and
they meet after hours, or before hours on Parliamentary days.
They meet for three hours, and the members of the committee – generally
it is the Official Opposition and the Third Party.
Even though there are members named to the committee from the Opposition,
usually the Opposition members substitute in, into their critic areas.
If Advanced Education and Skills is up, then you are sure the lead person
who is asking questions on that day would be the critic for Advanced Education
and Skills, and so on throughout the Estimates meetings.
Also from that, Mr. Speaker, you understand and you
realize each and every line. We get
a huge book – I would hold it up but I am not into that part of the prop.
It is a book that is 300 to 400 pages long and it has every single item
of expenditure that the government would spend money on in the current year.
It also has a list, Mr. Speaker, of what the government
spent in the last year in the revised estimate.
You have a plan. At the end
of the year you will either spend more or spend less.
So the second number is listed there for the members to observe, and then
the current year's spending.
Many of the questions coming in are eagerly there to
say, well, you planned to spend this much last year, you actually spent this
much more or this much less, why is your number like it is for this year?
That is an example, Mr. Speaker, of many of the questions that come
forward.
Again, it gives a prime example of how scrutiny can go
into the documents that follow the Budget.
Right now we are in the point of – this current year, I had the
opportunity to not only sit on the Resource Committee, but I Chaired the
Committee. I sat at the table and
directed the activity of the Committee as it went.
Mr. Speaker, I have to report now on the activity of
the Resource Committee for this year.
Most of the comments I will probably make in the next few minutes will be
related to that. Then I will have a
few general comments at the end about how certain parts of the Budget fit, not
only the Resource Committee, but all parts of all committees as they have met.
As I said, it has been four years now, so the situation is there.
I was happy to, like I said, control the flow of the questions that went
back and forth this year.
Another thing I would like to let the people know is
that Hansard records all of this activity.
Any member of the general public can request a copy of Hansard and they
can see the actual activity that happens.
It is not televised, but it is recorded, and copies are available for
anybody there.
You will also notice, Mr. Speaker, the departments.
The departments that fit into this category – first I probably should
tell you who was actually sitting on the Committee.
I will find that in a minute.
It eludes me right now but we will fit this through.
The different departments that fit into this aspect of
the resource sector, Mr. Speaker, are Advanced Education and Skills, Fisheries
and Aquaculture, Forestry and Agrifoods, Environment and Conservation as well as
the Office of Climate Change, and Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural
Development. If you had noticed the
theme through all five of these departments of government is they are all
connected with the resource sector.
That is hence the name of this Committee, the Resource Estimates Committee.
If you look at the entire Budget as it is spent, Mr.
Speaker, and the $8.1 billion investment or expenditures that will happen this
year in our Budget, approximately 25 per cent – 27 per cent, I believe – of the
entire expenditure of government is expended in the resource sector.
The largest of the three sectors of the Estimates committees would be the
social sector. Obviously, that
includes health and education.
Therefore, it takes up about 56 per cent of the entire expenditures of
government. It has probably many
more departments as well that fit in there.
In the resource sector, if we just look at the
breakdown – I want to sort of outline the breakdown of expenditures per
different department as it fits. If
you realize in an $8.1 billion Budget, about $800 million is about 10 per cent
of that Budget. So Advanced
Education and Skills has a total expenditure of $879 million.
That is slightly more than 10 per cent of the entire budgetary spending.
Natural Resources, the second largest of the
departments that we scrutinize, has an expenditure of $795 million.
Again, that is approximately 10 per cent.
Some other departments, although they are very
important in the scheme of things for our entire Province and how things go, Mr.
Speaker, departments like Environment and Conservation spent $27 million in
total for the administration of the office and some of the programs that are
carried out by that department. So
that is far less than 10 per cent.
In fact, it is only about 3 per cent of the entire Budget.
So you can imagine where some of this fits.
Forestry and Agrifoods, the expenditure is just shy of
$70 million. Business, Tourism,
Culture and Rural Development has about $130 million-plus of expenditure.
Fisheries and Aquaculture takes up about $23 million of the expenditure.
I alluded to Advanced Education and Skills and all the
resource sector. Just for people in
the general public to think about some of the aspects of Advanced Education and
Skills and how that fits to, why would it command such an amount of the
budgetary expenditure? Well, when we
were in Estimates, one of the notes I wrote down at the chair as I was talking,
is when the minister was sat at the desk here, one of the first questions he was
asked in opening comments, he said: I would really like to think this is the
department of the government that helps citizens.
There is 10 per cent of the Budget there that is set up for that.
So, basically, AES ensures that Newfoundland and
Labrador has highly educated grads and skilled workers.
Part of that is through the complement of the supports that are put in
place, Mr. Speaker. Post-secondary
education, obviously, we know that Memorial University takes the bulk of what is
expended in post-secondary education.
It has the most dollars there.
The College of the North Atlantic is to make sure that
we are developing trades, Mr. Speaker, that fit the needs of our future
workforce and the college applicants that come in.
Student Aid is a part of this, apprenticeship development programs,
career development and training supports, and then assisting communities,
whether it be through disasters or problems in industry, where industries are on
a downturn and the Department of Advanced Education and Skills move in and
assess the needs and the supports that are necessary to support the community
through its rough times, to offer counselling services, to retrain people, and
assistance programs for that, as well as the disaster relief programs that may
be offered. So that is an area that
covers a vast amount. A lot of
questions came through all the different varying stages of how we deliver the
funds in these categories.
Environment and Conservation: Given the need to protect
and enhance our environment, it talks about management of biodiversity, all of
the endangered species, wildlife, inland fish, water, and climate change.
The Office of Climate Change was a portion of that Estimates.
We also look at the control of pollution, again, through water resource
policies, impact assessments, industrial emissions, waste disposal – and waste
disposal took up probably the most of the time that was allotted there.
Again, it got into not only budget line items, but it was a quite a vast
amount of debate, basically, or opinions or questions – probing questions that
led to more policy topics as I went through.
Also covering Environment and Conservation is
regulatory protection of inland fish and wildlife, as well as provincial parks,
wilderness reserves, and these areas.
So, there is a vast degree of information that flowed through there.
The Department of Fisheries and Aquaculture – the
minister and his officials came in and, of course, they are given the care of
extracting the optimal sustainable benefit of fisheries and aquaculture for our
entire Province, Mr. Speaker.
Although when you look at it and say well, our fishery is a billion-dollar
industry, we do not spend the billion dollars in fishery, but most of what we do
spend is there for the administration and planning and programming and research
in our fishery.
Research and development takes a fair amount of that.
I guess the profit of some of the research and development that went into
our fishery, after the moratorium from some twenty years ago, is our study and
research into aquaculture and how that industry has moved to revitalize the
fishery in the Province and has become a vital component of the fishery.
It is not the entire future of it, but it is a very vast component of the
fishery.
We also looked at Forestry and Agrifoods, Mr. Speaker.
In that aspect, they look at the management and stewardship of our
forestry and the management and development of agrifoods policies as we go
through. Natural Resources, again,
was one Estimates where when we met it would have required – I can remember
three years ago in my actual first Estimates Committee I think I ever attended
was in an evening and it took six-and-a-half hours to get through the Estimates
in Natural Resources. It did not
take us this long this year. Maybe
the Chair was pretty efficient and got things through.
I would say that it is a very important part of what we
look at as part of our character now.
Mining and energy, the two aspects of our natural resources, other than
the other natural resources that come in this category that already have their
own portfolios, but around the Island from Baie Verte to Buchans, to the Burin
Peninsula to the Northeast Central area, just shy of Gander where some mining
activities are on the go, you have Lab West and Voisey's Bay and, as a result of
that, getting into our secondary processing we have Long Harbour, Come By Chance
and areas like that, that really take up a fair amount of time from this.
Also, when we look at energy we look at the Bay
d'Espoir development, we look at how Holyrood is continuing on as long as we
need it, and what we have to put into that, as well as the Churchill River with
the most recent development we are doing now in Muskrat Falls and what impact
that is going to have for our future.
You can see that this can be a very, very debatable topic as it gets in
Estimates. It is something that you
could have some lively questions on.
It can be an easy move away from the budgetary items as it goes through, Mr.
Speaker.
I think, just to outline for our viewers or citizens,
we recognize now that this is how this Committee worked and what was there.
In a few moments you are going to hear from some of the members of the
Committee or people in the critic areas for these.
The list of people who sat on this Committee were: the
Member for Grand Falls – Windsor-Green Bay South, the Member for Signal Hill –
Quidi Vidi, the Member for The Straits – White Bay North, the Member for Fortune
Bay – Cape La Hune, the Member for Labrador West, and the Member for Carbonear –
Harbour Grace. This was the group of
people who made up that Committee.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
CROSS:
In
the next two to three hours as we debate the Estimates Committee, or to the
Concurrence – so actually we are bringing in the findings of the Estimates
Committee which voted to accept without amendment, now we are bringing in and
concurring that with the budgetary debate and bringing that forward so it all
fits into the big picture. These
people will probably be some of the people that you will see on your screen, I
say to the people at home, in the next two to three hours.
They will be offering their comments on what happened in these meetings
and how it fits.
What I want to probably expound on in the three or four
minutes I have left is I would really like to look at a follow-up from things I
started in my last address a few days ago about the Budget where I talked about
some of the targets and some of the needs of where we are, so it is in the plan
for the next four or five years, Mr. Speaker.
Through the Estimates Committees, many of the questions came in and said
well, here is where we are looking at attrition, or here is where we are looking
at some of the other things, and how it impacts on our budgetary numbers
starting in this current year.
Some of the things I was talking about the other day
and started to talk about in targets I sort of rushed through a little bit
because it was pretty near the end of my talk on the main Budget motion, Mr.
Speaker. I just wanted to allude
back a little to it today. I just
want to follow. The lead-up and the
lead-in to this is the fact that obviously it is no secret that we have suffered
a couple of years of really, really tough economic times.
The biggest cause for this, even though it is probably not the sole
cause, is the lower resources that we are getting, the lower income that we are
getting through the world prices of either oil or the resources – the ore that
we are selling and how that impacts and enters into our budgetary picture.
Mr. Speaker, the plan forward over the next five years
– there are many references through all of the Estimates Committees for all
this. It looked at the fiscal
performance targets that we needed to look at.
There are five points that the Minister of Finance outlined when he
delivered the Budget. I want to
repeat them today because they have very much a strong impact on where we look,
where we look to carve, and where we look to increase expenditure in – because
in this current Budget we did not just say okay, we are not going to spend any
money, because that would really, really, really stop our economy, Mr. Speaker.
We had to balance the choice that we made through whatever we need to do
in how we can garnish income, but how do we expend, or how do we borrow.
So the five targets, Mr. Speaker, as listed by the
minister in his Budget Speech said debt expenses as a percentage of gross
revenue will not exceed 13 per cent.
So if I start to look at this – then if we look at the last twenty-five years.
If we go back to 1991 and we look at fiscal performance indicators of
whatever, then 13 per cent – it was not until 2008, Mr. Speaker, that we
actually brought our debt expenses, the percentage of gross revenue below the 13
per cent threshold.
It is like in a graph, as any line graph goes, it waves
up and down and up and down, but it has been hovering near 13 percent and
whatever. So over the next five
years, we made a commitment we are not going to cross that barrier of 13 per
cent. As the projected outlook goes
and all these documents, all the members on both sides of the House have these,
then that is showing how the plan is for the next five years, that line will not
exceed the 13 per cent threshold.
The net debt, as a percentage of nominal GDP, will not
exceed 40 per cent. Mr. Speaker,
there is another graph in here that shows – it is the same thing.
If we go right back to 1991, and I would say it stops at 1991, but it did
not say it went up over the 40 per cent mark in 1991.
I would say that mark was way back in the waves like the mountains as you
come along. We are well up there,
Mr. Speaker, above the 40 per cent.
Again, in 2007-2008 we came down below the 40 per cent
mark, net debt as a percentage of our nominal GDP, and we have stayed down
there. The projection is to continue
through the duration of the plan that the minister outlined for this part of the
Budget.
Now, if we look ahead –we can only look ten seconds as
far as my comments are because my time is up, but I would like to expound on
that. Maybe I will get a further
chance.
I thank you, Mr. Speaker, for listening to me today.
I thank you for the people of Bonavista North for listening to me, and
everyone else have a good day and finish the debate.
Thank you, Sir.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER (Littlejohn):
The hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is always a pleasure to follow the member.
He is a very hon. member, Mr. Speaker, and it is always nice to hear what
he has to say.
I am going to go on the Estimates and some of the
things I heard today about the departments. I
have been in this House a long while, Mr. Speaker, and I heard some things today
that just flabbergasted me. I know
the Member for Humber East brought up today, questions to the Premier.
The Premier stood up today, he wanted to be the big guy.
He wanted to be out front, I am going to handle everything.
He brought it out about licensing units, facilities in the Province for
tourism that have not been licensed, and on a fire and safety emergency.
What did the Premier of the Province tell the Member
for Humber East? If you know any of
them, call us. I was flabbergasted.
Mr. Speaker, I was flabbergasted.
Here we have Service NL that is supposed to enforce these regulations;
here we have the Department of Tourism that is supposed to certify these
locations. We are talking about
people. The Member for Humber East
gave an example of three people in an unlicensed establishment that just barely
made it out. What did the Premier, the Leader of this Province say: If you know
any, call us and let us know.
I have to say, Mr. Speaker, I have been in this House a
long while and I know there is a lot of bantering going back and forth, but when
you get the Premier of the Province to stand in this Legislature, and everybody
in Newfoundland and Labrador can hear it, can see it, can look at the replay and
see it, and not look at his minister and say: Minister, let's put a stop to
this. Let's go search these out.
Let's find these out. He says
to the Opposition: Let us know.
Mr. Speaker, this is a very serious issue.
Here we are under Tourism standing up and promoting: oh, yes, we are so
proud to talk about how much tourism has increased.
We have an increase of people coming into the Province.
Here we are talking about a fire and emergency safety issue, and the
Premier brushed it off as not a big deal.
Mr. Speaker, I have to say, there are times when the
Premier wants to stand up and be the front guy.
I guess people are telling him you have to be more out front, but if he
is going to be out front he has to know what he is talking about.
He has to take these issues seriously, because these are life and safety
issues.
So I say to the Premier of the Province, if you do not
have confidence in your ministers to go and find out where these establishments
are, if you do not have regulators to go out and say: okay, if you do not follow
these life and safety measures, we are closing your building down.
He should not be standing on his feet.
That is just one part.
I know the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Rural
Development today was also Minister of EMS.
He made a statement today from a question from the Third Parry.
The minister stood up here today and made a statement saying that every
day members opposite stand up and ask things about the Budget, when we asked
about the 911 dispatch. The minister
stood up and said every day you are asking us to spend more, spend more, spend
more.
Mr. Minister, the 911 is self-sufficient by the
seventy-five cents of the people of the Province.
We are not asking you to spend any more.
We are asking you to spend the money that the people in this Province are
paying for. That is what we are
asking for. We are not going out and
saying spend another million dollars.
The people of the Province are already paying for this.
I am not sure if the minister is aware of this, but I
can show him. Not only in the Budget
that they presented – the former Minister Judy Manning presented to me – not
only are they paying for their services, but the $400,000 a year – $454,000, I
think is the exact number – that the government put in to start 911 is being
repaid to government. It is being
repaid. It is actually being paid
back to government.
Mr. Speaker, just for the minister's benefit, and just
for the government opposite, because obviously they have not read it, they have
not seen it, or they do not understand it – they can pick which one.
Even with 911 being paid for by the seventy-five cents, even with the
$454,000 a year – I think it is for four or five years – being paid back to
government, even with the money being taken out for the Next Generation, there
is still $189,000 surplus in the 911 fund, a surplus.
We have the minister standing up and saying we are asked to spend more
money because the people want a dispatch system.
Mr. Speaker, I am just in shock by what I heard here
today. I am just absolutely shocked.
I am only on one department yet, I am only on one department.
You wonder why people of this Province think this government has to go,
the way they treat people. Just
think about that.
Here are volunteer firefighters out there who want to
go to every call they can take; 80 per cent, 90 per cent, sometimes even higher,
are all medical. They want to get
called. They want to be there to
save their fellow residents. They
want to be the first responders, yet we will not do it because the minister: oh,
you are asking us to spend money. We
are not. We are asking you to spend
the money of the seventy-five cents that the people are already paying for.
I also heard the minister today, Mr. Speaker, saying we
have it like Nova Scotia, you have what you are paying for.
Page 32 of the Pomax report clearly states that when this 911 was being
developed back in 2012 – the Member for Gander was the minister, and I supported
him at the time for bringing it in because it was a great concept.
Page 32 of the report evaluates that it is a 911 dispatch system.
They use the RNC in Corner Brook, Lab West, the RNC up in Labrador, and
the St. John's Regional Fire Department.
That is what it was based on – page 32.
I also know it was brought up here today, like Nova
Scotia. Page 9 of the report, Nova
Scotia has a dispatch system. It has
a dispatch system. So when I hear
statements put across the House just because people, oh, we are going to say it
because it is true. I have to stand
and correct them, because this is an issue for all the people of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador. This is
not a Liberal, this is not a PC issue, and this is not an NDP issue.
This is a life and safety issue.
This is something I have been advocating.
Mr. Speaker, I have to give the minister – the minister
agreed to sit down with me and go through it.
I thank the minister for that.
I am hoping that when we are all finished, we can come to a conclusion
and put the dispatch system in that was originally put forward by the Member for
Gander. I know it took him two or
three years to develop that when he was the minister.
That is what we should have in the Province.
If there is a good reason why we cannot, let's sit down
so someone can explain it to me and someone can explain it to the volunteer
firefighters who I know. One of
them, Mr. Speaker – and I do not mind using his name – is Colin Tucker.
He is one, Colin Tucker. He
is the fire chief in Meadows. Colin
Tucker is a man who not only is the fire chief; he is trained to the point where
he does work for EMS. He goes out
and trains other volunteer firefighters in Western Newfoundland.
You tell me he is wrong about the dispatch system?
Colin Tucker took it upon himself – and the minister
can call him, I can give him his number.
He called Nova Scotia and said we are getting conflicting views, are you
dispatch? They said yes, we are
dispatch. Yet we had the former
minister and now we have the government saying we cannot have dispatch.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to go on to the next part of
Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural Development.
I ask what rural development?
How much rural development do we see in rural Newfoundland and Labrador these
days? How much?
We have seen one down in Roddickton that the government tried back in
2008 and 2009. The problem with it
is that they relied on gas and oil so much the rural development just took a
sidestep to it because they were flush in cash.
Mr. Speaker, do you know the most damning thing that I
find about all this? Tom Marshall,
when he was out in Corner Brook when he talked about the hospital – two short
years ago. I remember his statement.
I was bringing up about the hospital.
Two short years ago Tom Marshall being flippant, out there trying to
belittle people like me who are talking about the Corner Brook.
What did Tom Marshall say in Corner Brook?
Money is not the problem. We
have $2 billion in cash. It was two
short years ago.
Where did it all go?
If you see the speeches that he gave as Minister of Finance, he said the
oil cannot last; the prices will not keep up.
So when I hear the members opposite stand up here on their feet and say
no one predicted it, well I can tell you that you are wrong.
Your former Premier and your former Finance Minister predicted it.
Mr. Speaker, he predicted it.
He said this was going to happen.
Instead of diversifying the economy, Mr. Speaker, they
lived on oil and they spent. They
always ask: What would you do different?
I gave a speech here two weeks ago.
I was up to $380 million of wasted money and I can keep going.
That is not even counting Nalcor.
That is not counting Muskrat Falls and how much money has gone in there.
That is not even counting that – absolutely not even.
That is excluded from that.
What we have to do, Mr. Speaker, as a Province is we
have to get back to diversifying the economy.
We have to get back to rural Newfoundland.
We have to start industry, but we have to do it in a planned and
sustainable way. I am going to talk
about Holson Forest Products up in Roddickton in a little while, and talk about
how not to do a project with government funds.
I just want to bring those few points up that were just
brought up in Question Period today.
I say to the Premier of the Province – he always brags that he was an RNC
officer, Mr. Speaker. I give him
credit, he served the public. How
many times did I hear him say people should not make their own arrest, they
should call the RNC. Here he is
telling people now if you know of someone who is out there with a fire and
safety issue, call us.
What do you have the ministers for?
Why do you have regulations?
Why do you have inspectors? Why do
you have them? If the Premier cannot
stand up and say to the ministers we have to put a stop to this because of fire
and safety, there is something wrong.
There is absolutely something wrong when the Premier has to stand up and
say call us if you know there is an issue.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to speak about the Holson
Forest Products down in – and I heard some comments made on this recently from
the government. I was on Public
Accounts and I went through the whole business plan of this.
I just wanted to let the general public know this is nothing about the
owner. I said it in Public Accounts
and I will say it here now, the owners of Holson Forest Products were set up to
fail. They could not succeed the way
that government put it in place.
They could not do it and I will tell you why.
If you have a product, first of all, you have to make
sure you have a market. They never
had a market. I just want to let the
people of the Province know before government approved – and we were told it was
by Executive Council. They had to
bring it up. They bypassed
everything and brought it up to Executive Council.
Before the application was approved, before they got the stamp, there was
$8 million spent. They allowed them
to spend $8 million.
That is on the public record.
I ask the government and I ask anybody who wants to stand up, how can you
go to people in Roddickton, Holson Forest Products, how can you go up and say we
are going to put this amount of money in your plant?
We want you to diversify up here on the Northern Peninsula without having
a marketing plan. If they did have a
marketing plan – we are talking about poor planning.
Just say you had a marketing plan.
The second thing that was never, ever pushed in there: How are you going
to get your product to market? How
are you going to do it? The federal
government wharf that was there was torn down.
They had no way of shipping it; absolutely, no way.
When they were trying to go to St. Anthony, they never even had the
storage facility to put the products in.
To the people of Holson Forest Products, you were
doomed to fail because there was no proper planning.
The bigger thing about this – and I have it here – is the recycled power
plant. You want to talk about due
diligence, Mr. Speaker. I know the
minister here stood up and said it was the Liberal government, which is
absolutely false and he was man enough to stand up and correct that.
I give him credit.
The amount was undisclosed of what was paid for it.
There is talk, but the government will not release that either.
It was sold to a company in Quebec.
Here is what the company in Quebec – a Nalcor asset that they had – here
is what the company said: They did not say how much it paid for the equipment it
is buying from the company, but did note in a release it is making an important
savings of $7 million on the estimated cost of $17 million.
So what they are saying is the estimated cost, Mr. Speaker, and that was
an asset of Nalcor. That was an
asset up on the Northern Peninsula that was sold to Quebec, the people's asset,
the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Mr. Speaker, here is the other part of all of this.
The land that it was on, there is still supposed to be an evaluation done
on the environmental liabilities of it.
It is still not done. We stood in
this House and asked the Minister of Environment to give us the inventory of
contaminated sites in the Province.
Can you imagine? This government
stands up and talks about the environment and they cannot stand in this House of
Assembly – and the minister kept on saying – the Member for St. John's West
stood up there on a regular basis – it is coming, it is coming.
They cannot give you an inventory of what contaminated sites there are in
the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Now, that is the minister. I
can see why the Premier will not ask the Minister of Service NL, Mr. Speaker, to
go out and do an assessment. He
cannot even get the contaminated sites, which are all there.
So all they have to do is send officials out, get it done.
We have been waiting now for years for an inventory.
We still cannot get it done, Mr. Speaker.
Here is another site that the money – whatever it was we still do not
know, sold to Quebec, a contaminated site, and we are asking who is paying for
that site? It is supposed to be
taken out of the funds – from my understanding, taken out of the sales.
We still do not even know what the cost of that contaminated site is.
You are wondering why people feel that this government is not living up
to their responsibilities. That is
just two departments. In this here
there are many other departments.
Mr. Speaker, how can the people of the Province have
confidence in the government? Look
at the Abitibi site. It is just
amazing what is happening in this Province.
This government is being so secretive or incompetent, I am not sure
which. When a minister of this
Crown, who represents all the people of this Province, stands up and is going on
– it is coming soon, it is coming soon.
You will have it in days, you will have it in a week, and you still do
not have it for the people of the Province.
Even the Auditor General was asking for it.
The Member for St. John's West is supposed to stand up here and say, yes,
it is coming soon. We are still
waiting for it, Mr. Speaker. That is
the kind of importance that this government puts on the environment.
That is the kind of importance they put on the liabilities of this
Province.
We can go through each one of these departments one at
a time. I will use Natural Resources
as a prime example. I just heard the
member say that oil prices – Mr. Speaker, there is no doubt we do well with oil.
The question is when you do well, what are you going to do with it?
I will tell you the funniest one that I heard, Mr.
Speaker. We were talking about the
large amount of money coming in from oil, $25 billion they spent.
All of a sudden we heard the Premier; in 2021 now we are going to set up
a fund. We are going to have a
little rainy-day fund we are going to tuck away.
For the first ten years, twelve years, no talk about that, no need, let's
spend, spend, and spend. Let's throw
it all into Muskrat Falls. Let's
just spend it all. Let's go with the
$30 million that we spent up in Parson's Pond to drill the hole and see if you
can find some oil, but now, all of a sudden in 2021 we are going to put away a
rainy-day fund. The sad part, he
expects the people of Newfoundland and Labrador to actually believe that, to
actually believe that statement that we are going to put it away.
Mr. Speaker, I know my time is getting near.
There are a lot of other departments here that hopefully I will have time
to speak about later. If not, I just
want to let the people of Newfoundland and Labrador look at the comments that
were made here today, look at the comments that were made in this House today.
Get the facts, Mr. Speaker, because when you get the facts you will know
that this government is on autopilot and they are not doing the best for the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker.
It is certainly a privilege and an honour for me to
rise in the House of Assembly today and speak to the Concurrence debate.
I am very pleased to be a Committee member of the Resource sector
Estimates. I usually find the
Estimates to be a very interesting exercise and very informative.
As our Chair who spoke a little while ago, during the Estimates he said
he found them even more interesting than usual in his role as Chair.
He certainly did a great job, so I commend him for that.
I guess I wanted to explain a little bit first of all
to the people who are watching at home a little bit about what this Budget
process is and what Concurrence is.
Every year, it is a standard process here in the House of Assembly.
Once the Budget is brought down, it is read into Hansard by the Minister
of Finance. Following that, the
Finance critic of the Opposition gets two times the amount of time that the
Finance speaker used in his speaking, or a minimum of three hours, whichever is
greater. That is the standard
process.
Usually – not usually, what always happens in that
standard process is the Opposition critic then lays down a motion called a
non-confidence motion. Then
following that, another member of the party in Opposition lays down what is
called a sub-amendment. Through that
process each and every person in the House of Assembly, if they so desire, gets
twenty minutes to speak to the Budget.
We would then speak first to the sub-amendment, we vote
on the sub-amendment, you move into the non-confidence motion, and then from
there you go back to the main Budget, Mr. Speaker.
It equates to a lot of time and a lot of speaking in the House of
Assembly.
I, for one, by far prefer when that speaking is about
fact and about policy.
Unfortunately, that is not always the case and it can be a bit challenging to
sit in your seat sometimes and listen to some of the rhetoric that comes through
the Budget process, but most of it is indeed very educational and very
enlightening. I would like to think
that the people who watch this in their homes actually do learn a bit more about
what is in the Budget and what the government of the day is proposing to do, and
any issues that members opposite may bring attention to.
It is important for everybody to see all aspects of that, Mr. Speaker.
The reason why I particularly like the resource sector
is because that is the category where I see the majority of job creation
actually taking place in Newfoundland and Labrador.
It is the hands-on side of things, it is where you see the diversity in
our economy, and it is where you see some great things happen in terms of
innovative developments, ongoing interests in things like fishery and
aquaculture, forestry and mining.
Some they are absolutely exciting sectors to be looking at, Mr. Speaker.
One of the things I wanted to speak to in all of that
is how – I have heard it several times in this House of Assembly when the Member
for Trinity – Bay de Verde got up today to speak to his petition, and as well
the Member for Virginia Waters has stood in this House from time to time and
said that Newfoundland, for the last eighteen months, has had job losses.
That baffles me, Mr. Speaker.
I do not know where their research is being done, but I have right here the
facts and I am more than happy to table it in the House of Assembly.
It is from a credible, reliable source,
The Canadian Press, posted on May 18, 2015.
Guess what, Mr. Speaker?
In Newfoundland and Labrador we were the only province to post a gain in
jobs, 2,200 new jobs in Newfoundland and Labrador during the months of March.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
Can
you believe it? March, that was just
two months ago, not eighteen months ago.
Statistics Canada said 2,200 jobs were created in Newfoundland and
Labrador.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Virginia Waters, on a point of order.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Mr.
Speaker, I correct the member opposite.
What we are talking about is 18,000 job losses year over year, month over
month, same comparison. I would ask
her listen more in debate.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
MS
PERRY:
(Inaudible) we would love to see them.
As I said, I would love to see you table the information.
I do not know where you are getting your facts.
You just clarified how you are putting some spin on it, but here are the
real facts: 2,200 jobs created in Newfoundland as its unemployment rate declined
to 12.6 per cent, down sharply from 13.3 per cent in March.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
Tabled for the House, Mr. Speaker, so they can be aware of the good things that
are happening in Newfoundland and Labrador.
One thing I am very proud to say, that we as a government have is
confidence in the people of our Province.
We have confidence in the entrepreneurs, we have confidence in their
innovation, and we have confidence in their ability to diversify.
We all acknowledge, life is such that it is not always
on a peak, and sales are not always going to be – and anyone who is in business
knows this – at the top. There are
highs and lows and there are peaks and valleys in running a business and in
operating a government.
Our government has clearly stood the course during
those valleys, and we maintained our confidence in the people during those
valleys, Mr. Speaker. This Budget
today clearly reflects how we are very confident – this Budget reflects our
confidence and our ability to turn the corner once again in the very near
future. We believe in the great
prosperity of Newfoundland and Labrador.
So going back again to the Estimates committee – and I
do believe some members have mentioned this already – the resource sector
includes the Departments of Advanced Education and Skills; Business, Tourism,
Culture and Rural Development; Environment and Conservation; Fisheries and
Aquaculture; Forestry and Agrifoods; and Natural Resources.
Now, Mr. Speaker, Natural Resources is the one I want to spend a little
bit of time speaking to.
We just heard the Member for Bay of Islands when he got
up to speak, talk about Muskrat Falls.
I believe Hansard can correct me if I did not quite get it right.
I believe he said it was a waste of money.
One of the things that has bothered me immensely, that I still do not
know the answer to, that the people of Newfoundland and Labrador still do not
know the answer to, is: What is the Liberal position on Muskrat Falls?
What is it? What is their
plan?
Are they going to stop it?
Are they going to shut it down?
Because that is what they lead some people to believe, or would they
stall it just to make sure the costs balloon?
Would something like that happen?
I do not know, Mr. Speaker. I
would not want to see something like that happen.
MR.
JOYCE:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bay of Islands, on a point of order.
MR.
JOYCE:
I
am not sure if – I will just give the member a chance to clarify.
If she thinks the Opposition is going to slow down Muskrat Falls and make
people of the Province suffer, it is sad day for you, Mr. Speaker, sad day –
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
MS
PERRY:
Mr.
Speaker, we certainly look forward to hearing what the party's position is on
it, because as I said, we do not know what the plan is.
The people who work on Muskrat Falls, you talk about
megaprojects in the wind down phase now in Newfoundland and Labrador, Muskrat
Falls is still a very major employer for us.
What do you say to all the workers who are working on the project?
What do you say to the future generations who are going to be able to
avail of state-of-the-art hospitals, state-of-the-art schools, and
state-of-the-art roads because of the profitability of a renewable resource like
Muskrat Falls? It is an absolutely
fabulous project.
To reinforce what I am saying, one needs to look no
further than the district where I live, in Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
It is a beautiful district, Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
Let's talk about the hydro generating facility that is in Bay d'Espoir.
It was built during the 1960s, and I have had the opportunity to actually
go back and read through some records of the debate at the time when Bay
d'Espoir was under contemplation.
There were many people strongly opposed to building that hydro facility in Bay
d'Espoir, but I have to ask the question, where would we be as a Province
without that power today?
Sixty per cent of the Island portion of Newfoundland
and Labrador receives its power from Bay d'Espoir.
If we had not built that facility we would have been in dire straits as a
Province, I can certainly assure you.
Unfortunately, in the wrongs that occurred during Lower Churchill, it was
provinces like Ontario that developed, and Quebec, that reaped of all the
benefits.
From Muskrat Falls, Mr. Speaker, Newfoundland and
Labrador will receive the benefits from Muskrat Falls, and it will be
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians who will reap the rewards for centuries to
come.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
I
am very, very proud of our venture there, Mr. Speaker.
Now, I was not planning to stand here and speak for a
very long time today, because as I said, there is a lot of time dedicated to the
Budget here in the House with the three different motions and twenty minutes
each. The member who spoke just
before I did asked a few questions that I feel like I have to respond to.
One of them was, how can people have confidence in this
government? I would say, look at our
record. Our track record for the
last ten years is a fabulous track record in terms of results, Mr. Speaker.
The research we have done in the fisheries, the innovative solutions we
have brought forward in terms of health care, things like the diabetes pumps.
What would the Liberals cut?
I have to come back to that question.
What is their plan? They get
up every day. They ask for money on
this, more money on that, you need to do more here, more there, more, more,
more. Where is all the money going
to come from, Mr. Speaker? What do
they plan to cut? Are they going to
lay off the civil servants? Are they
going to repeal the diabetic insulin pumps, which now are available and funded
by government up to the age of twenty-five?
Are they going to say, okay, now you are on your own?
Are they going to repeal the generic drug policy, Mr.
Speaker, such that the policy will have to eliminate some of the medications we
are now able to cover for people?
Are they going to drive up the cost of medications for the individual person so
that the private sector business person makes the money and the person who
cannot afford to buy the medications just cannot buy them anymore?
We fixed that problem in large degree through the generic drug pricing
policy. What is going to happen?
What would happen to that?
Student loans reverting to the grant system, Mr.
Speaker. When I stood in this House
of Assembly to speak to the Budget last time, I spoke to how I could relate to
that, even from a personal experience, the benefits of grants as opposed to
student loans. Fabulous initiatives
have happened by this government, and I have no doubt over the next five years
we will continue in that regard.
Back to the question – because I seem to get excited
with all the heckling that comes and veer off from where I was going.
In asking the question, how can people have confidence in this
government? How can they have
confidence in a flip-flop, flip-flop strategy is how I would counter to that.
How could they have confidence in a plan to plan to plan?
No solid answers there, Mr. Speaker, a lot of rhetoric, but no solid
answers.
I think the last speaker actually accused us again of
being the government of secrecy. The
government that is leading the way in all of Canada, Mr. Speaker, and probably
North America through its new freedom of information act, better than anywhere
else in the world, certainly in the country and in North America.
So we are a government that has demonstrated –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible) a million-dollar bill.
MS
PERRY:
Yes, okay, we might not have been perfect all the time.
We are human, Mr. Speaker.
Guess what? We recognize our
mistakes, we correct our mistakes, and we listen first and foremost to the
people of the Province. We do not do
it with words; we do it with strong, clear, concise action.
That is what we have clearly demonstrated.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
Again, I say secrecy, how can you say secrecy?
Every single one of the candidates in our leadership race has disclosed
their financial contributions, Mr. Speaker.
We are still waiting for people who ran for the leadership of the Liberal
Party to disclose their finances. It
has not been disclosed by some of the members who ran in that leadership.
Why not? The contributions to
the $25,000 dinner have not been disclosed.
Why not?
Why do the people of Newfoundland and Labrador want to
know this? Why is it important?
Is it important because people need to know who the Liberal Party would
be beholden to? They would need to
know who the policies they are coming up with are catering to.
It is important information.
The people of Newfoundland and Labrador need to know, Mr. Speaker.
So how can you on the one hand condemn us for secrecy,
and on the other hand be so secretive yourself?
It makes no sense to me whatsoever.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
PERRY:
There is a word that is used to refer to it that I am not allowed to use in the
House, so I will not, but it is not lost on the people of Newfoundland and
Labrador. I am so proud of the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador and how far we have come as a voting
population – I would like to think – since Premier Williams came into office in
2003. He saw the severe problems
that were underway in government and he took measures, Mr. Speaker, to correct
them. I look no further than the
Green report.
I certainly hope, although I am not convinced, that all
members of this hon. House have read the Green report because it really took
some strong measures to rectify some serious problems that existed within the
House of Assembly. We were the
government that brought the Auditor General back into the House of Assembly,
something I am so very proud of us for having done.
I did not mean to stand here and speak this long, but I
did feel I had to counter some of the points raised.
Again, before I sit down I just want to say 2,200 new jobs in
Newfoundland and Labrador during the month of March.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
PERRY:
What a Province. What a government.
What a Premier. What a
leader. Mr. Speaker, we are
committed to being here to ensure that Newfoundland continues to grow.
We believe we are the best party to do that in the best interests of the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
MR.
CROCKER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I was preparing earlier with some notes, but after that
speech I have lots of notes for this afternoon and some for tonight.
The member finishes her statement or her speech talking about March's job
report. Well, if I ever seen
cherry-picking, Mr. Speaker, that is cherry-picking; 18,000 year over year in
this Province we have lost – 18,000.
The member finds the month of March we added some jobs.
Well, let's look at the big picture.
Year over year this Province has lost 18,000 jobs.
Just today, Mr. Speaker, I asked some questions in
Question Period and the Premier responded.
I talked about the CFIB which is the voice of independent business in
Canada and in Newfoundland and Labrador.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
What are they saying?
MR.
CROCKER:
I
will tell you what they are saying; they are saying that business confidence in
Newfoundland and Labrador has fallen.
Since this Premier took over last September we were number one in the
country and we had the best business confidence in the country.
Do you know where we are today, six months later?
We are number six. Well, we
are tied for number seven; Quebec is point three below us.
So, Mr. Speaker, with this government we will soon be there.
Only 13 per cent of businesses surveyed plan on hiring
new people this busy season, the season where people get hired, this busy summer
season, we have fish processing, we have fish harvesting, we have our vibrant
tourism industry, but only 13 per cent of businesses surveyed are going to hire.
That is job numbers. Let's
see the job numbers on that.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to come back to some more
issues with the Resource Committee and take an opportunity to go down through
them and talk about my role as the critic for Business, Tourism, Culture and
Rural Development, as well as some of the departments and how they affect the
District of Trinity – Bay de Verde.
Mr. Speaker, as you stand here, it is always an honour to stand and represent
the people of our district.
The first one, Mr. Speaker, I look at – and this is how
they come out in the Committee – is Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural
Development. It is interesting – and
I will go back again to the CFIB and talk about some of their recent reports
because this is the voice of independent business in Canada, and as well in
Newfoundland and Labrador. They look
at the priorities of business in the Province.
The highest priority in the Province is workers'
compensation. We are one of the few
jurisdictions left in the country that does an estimated payroll when it comes
to workers' compensation. We do not
use actuals, Mr. Speaker, when it comes to payroll and this creates a burden on
small businesses throughout the Province when it comes to their monthly dues to
workers' compensation. If a business
underestimates a year's payroll what happens the following year is they are
penalized, so you have to estimate, so you have to guess.
You think if you are a paving contractor or a fish
plant operator, you start out the season in January, February 28 your workers'
compensation estimates have to be in for that year.
That is a big, big question to ask somebody in a volatile industry.
What about the housing industry?
We know the housing industry is slow.
So if you are a contractor in housing, you have to estimate your payroll.
If you estimate under your payroll amount, you get a penalty.
Come the following year, you get penalized.
If you estimate over, you take your working capital and send it to
workplace health and safety that then credit you the following year.
It is a lose-lose for business.
Our estimating system of workers' compensation is a lose-lose for
business. You underestimate, you get
a penalty. If you overestimate,
workers' compensation gets your money until the following year, so it is a
lose-lose.
Shortage of skilled labour is another area identified.
I hear the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair speak about this daily
in job reports and false numbers that the government throws out there.
We have just seen 18,000 job losses, but business is saying that they
cannot find people; the skilled labour is not there.
Obviously we are not relating the training to the jobs, missing the boat
again.
Government regulations and paper burden – as a former
small-business owner, Mr. Speaker, let me tell you one of the biggest burdens on
individuals in this Province when it comes to regulation is burden and a burden
by government. Government committed
back, I think, early in its mandate, twelve years ago – and they like to go
back. They committed to red tape
reduction.
We achieved some milestones in red tape reduction, I
think, at one point. The government
committed to reducing it and reducing it and we did pretty good; we got our mark
up. On our last CFIB report when it
comes to red tape reduction, we had fallen to a C minus.
So I think we were up to a B at one time, but we are slipping back.
Our red tape burden is building again for small business.
Availability of funding – one thing that the CFIB
points out is that even though the government has the Business Investment
Corporation, this money is targeted to certain sectors, Mr. Speaker, and does
not really fill all the needs of all the business sectors in our Province.
When they asked their members would you support tax relief to all
businesses regardless of sector – so it is tax relief, not sectors.
This comes back to the landing as well, landing is sector wise.
Mr. Speaker, the Liberal Party – and I get a kick out
of this. They get up over there and
talk about oh, you guys have not talked about policy or what you are going to
do. Well, a couple of things in the
business portfolio that our leader and our party said we are going to do, we are
going to have a youth entrepreneur retention strategy.
Let me tell you succession and succession planning in business in
Newfoundland and Labrador is non-existent.
Over 50 per cent of business owners in this Province have no succession
planning. They do not know where
their business is going.
Interestingly enough, the majority of businesses in
this Province, and the majority of family businesses, the succession is not to a
family member. So government has
never fostered any strategy for the succession of business.
MR.
HILLIER:
Are
they going to close?
MR.
CROCKER:
Unfortunately, that is what we are seeing.
The Member for CBS says, are these businesses just
going to close? Well, unfortunately,
in lots of parts of rural Newfoundland and Labrador that is what we are seeing.
We are seeing business owners with successful businesses walking out,
locking the door behind them. I see
it every day. This is where our
youth entrepreneur retention program would come in.
We have also said that if we are to form the next
government, Mr. Speaker, business investment tax credits.
These will be broad-based tax credits.
These are tax credits that benefit every small business in the Province.
That is some of the things our party, our leader is saying that we need
to do to help build business in our Province.
It was interesting enough, the Member for Burgeo – La
Poile – I am sorry, not Burgeo – La Poile.
I apologize to my friend from Burgeo – La Poile.
Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune, geography got me for a second.
It was interesting, she brought up in her statement about campaign
fundraising and dinners, and this and that.
Well, Mr. Speaker, twelve years ago – the clock is
ticking – the party opposite, the government promised campaign reform, and
election reform. They were going to
tighten up. They were going to bring
in some modern rules. Guess what?
Twelve years later, no rules.
Guess what? Our leader, our party,
has committed to campaign financing reform.
MR.
S. COLLINS:
(Inaudible).
MR.
CROCKER:
Bring it in. I say to the member,
you have had twelve years to bring in campaign reform.
MR.
S. COLLINS:
(Inaudible).
MR.
CROCKER:
Mr.
Speaker, I say to the Member for Terra Nova –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
CROCKER:
Mr.
Speaker, I say to the Member for Terra Nova –
MR.
S. COLLINS:
Your friend.
MR.
CROCKER:
I
say to my friend from Terra Nova – if he wants me to call him his friend, I will
be his friend, but I say to the member, your party had twelve years to bring in
campaign reform and it was not done.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CROCKER:
So
you can get up all day long.
I will come back to the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape
La Hune again, talking about we are the open government.
That is practically hilarious.
They have been the open government now for probably twenty-four hours.
Twelve years, and now twenty-four hours later they are the most open
government in Canada.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Another Liberal policy.
MR.
CROCKER:
Another Liberal policy.
It was our leader, Mr. Speaker, who stood at a press
conference moments after Bill 29 passed, moments after, and said the first act
he would do as Premier of this Province is repeal Bill 29.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CROCKER:
Well, we do not have to repeal anything.
We do not have to repeal Bill 29 anymore, because finally, less than
twenty-four hours ago, the government finally came to their senses and repealed
Bill 29. Mr. Speaker, not until it
cost the taxpayers of this Province over a million dollars.
Mr. Speaker, let's go back.
They talk all the time about the financial contributions, and leadership
contributions. Where are the
leadership contributions of failed premier Frank Coleman?
I have not seen any leadership contributions from Mr. Coleman.
I have not seen any contributions.
Mr. Speaker, I am just going to turn off on tourism for
a second and its implications on my district.
Next year, in 2016, we are going to celebrate the 150th anniversary of
the landing of the first transatlantic cable in Heart's Content.
I call upon government to make sure this event receives the recognition
and the necessary funding to make it a success.
It was a very important milestone.
It led to communications and where it is today, and ironically enough,
Mr. Speaker, in Heart's Content today, cellphones do not work – the birthplace
of communications in North America, and no cellphone coverage.
Mr. Speaker, I have entered a petition this afternoon
from the residents of Northern Bay and surrounding area.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Say
that again.
MR.
CROCKER:
What is that? There is no cellphone
coverage?
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Birthplace.
MR.
CROCKER:
The
birthplace of communications in North America was Heart's Content, 150 years
ago. Today, there is no cellphone
coverage, Mr. Speaker. The thing
with that, I would understand if government played a role – let's just go back
to playing a role in it. We have
seen that the government has not played a role.
In 2011, was the last time this government mentioned
cellphone coverage, and I believe it is seventeen words in the Blue Book.
I think there are seventeen words in the 2011 Blue Book that reference
cellphone coverage in Newfoundland and Labrador, and they have not spoken a word
about it since. Well, actually,
there was a word. The Member for
Lake Melville got up last week and said we deserve cellphone coverage in urban
areas, but why do we expect it in rural areas?
AN
HON. MEMBER:
He
did not say that. I don't believe
that.
MR.
CROCKER:
He
did say it, I have Hansard.
Mr. Speaker, I assure you that the residents of Trinity
– Bay de Verde, and the residents of a lot of rural parts of this Province
deserve cellphone coverage, and it is time we get a strategy.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
The
Member for Lake Melville, the Minister of Labrador and Aboriginal Affairs?
MR.
CROCKER:
Yes, it is amazing.
Mr. Speaker, rural development, cellphone coverage, and
the lack thereof, it is astonishing.
The fact that in Northern Bay the people have had an eyesore for five years, a
burned down building with no action of having it cleaned up.
I asked the Minister of Environment to ensure that this cleanup is done
sooner rather than later.
It has been four years, I think, since this building
burned down. It is directly across
the entrance of Northern Bay Sands where tens of thousands of people will visit
this summer and there is this massive eyesore.
Not only is it an eyesore, the remnants of the fire is still there right
down to the metal. There has been
nothing done whatsoever, not a thing.
MR.
HILLIER:
Alders will soon be over it now.
MR.
CROCKER:
Actually, I say to the Member for CBS, alders are growing there, and there has
never been any action.
It is the government's responsibility to ensure a clean
environment. We talk about our great
tourism ads, and they are great. It
is beautiful to see the bedspreads blowing in the wind.
If you drive Route 70 and you go through Northern Bay, it is not a
bedspread you are going to see, you are going to see the remnants of a burned
down building five years ago with no action taken.
Mr. Speaker, other issues, as I look down through the
Resource Committee, and their effect on my district – obviously, one of the most
important issues in my district is the most important industry, and that is the
fishery. We look no further than Bay
de Verde and Old Perlican with the shellfish processing and the millions and
millions of pounds of shellfish that are landed there each year.
Hundreds of millions of dollars in economic impact throughout the
Province, tens of millions of dollars of salaries paid in the District of
Trinity – Bay de Verde, and I would say, Mr. Speaker, the entire Bay de Verde
Peninsula, along with many other parts of the Island.
Back last October, I was campaigning in Bay de Verde.
My colleague from The Straits – White Bay North was with me.
He ran into thirteen constituents who work in Old Perlican.
There are people from Old Perlican and Bay de Verde – people from all
over the Province, Mr. Speaker, working in Old Perlican and Bay de Verde.
Mr. Speaker, we look at aquaculture.
I know the government has done some investment in aquaculture.
I am not sure we are getting the jobs on the processing side.
One thing about it, Green Seafoods in Winterton is processing mussels
that are a part of the aquaculture industry.
That helps the plant in Winterton provide longer employment as the season
wears on. As they finish with their
crab quotas, they turn in to do some mussels and help their employees get some
extra time in the plant.
Mr. Speaker, I mentioned a while ago about government's
lack of communications with their cousins in Ottawa when it comes to cellphone
coverage. There is another issue
that always comes up on the doorsteps in Trinity – Bay de Verde.
It is the food fishery and the lack of respect that we are shown from the
federal government when it comes to the food fishery.
I do not know if the Minister of Fisheries has had communications, or has
communications –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Do
they talk to Ottawa?
MR.
CROCKER:
If
you are not talking to Ottawa, how are the viewpoints of Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians getting there to say we are being robbed in our food fishery, to
say the least? We are not being
treated fairly. Again, we are given
a little three-week period to go out and catch our five fish a day and our
neighbours in Nova Scotia are given a free-for-all, practically, but I never
hear the government – I have not seen any letters from the Minister of Fisheries
in my recent memory where he has asked the federal minister, Gail Shea, to
intervene here and really take a close look at that.
The cod stock is rebounding and, at the end of the day,
we are going to have to be prepared for processing.
The Third Party has a private member's motion tomorrow ensuring that we
get the proper respect, or the respect that we are due when it comes to the
recovery of the cod fishery, so that the inshore fishers in the Province are
first in this and we do not find ourselves in a situation we find ourselves with
LIFO where we see people offshore in offshore companies being the primary
beneficiary of the resource that is adjacent to us.
Mr. Speaker, we look at Advanced Education and Skills –
and the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair asked questions of the minister
yesterday about the idea of inclusion of people with disabilities.
I actually have a number of people in my district who have brought this
to my attention. They are parents of
children – a lot of them about the same age as my son, my oldest son who is
sixteen. These parent truly are
concerned that when their sons and daughters are finished high school at age
twenty-one – because the provision, I think, is that these children can stay in
high school until they are twenty-one; there is nothing after.
The supportive employment programs are not connecting
these people with the jobs or with the skills they need.
I know, again, we as a party have been looking long and hard at this
because it really affects a lot of people, and it really hits home when you
realize parents have to struggle with these choices day in and day out and their
children are not being included in a lot of different ways.
Again, Mr. Speaker, thank you for the opportunity this
afternoon. I am going to take my
place and I guess some other hon. member can have their time.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Exploits.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
FORSEY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well, I guess all the members on this side, usually
when they are going to speak on the Budget, are right ready to speak until they
start cherry-picking on the other side, because it seems like they like to
cherry-pick.
Now, I will say to the Member for Trinity – Bay de
Verde he was not around in the 1990s.
It is a good thing because the people who I know do not want to go back
to the 1990s. We did not tear up
contracts, Mr. Speaker. We did not
lay off 2,000 people. We did not
close schools and amalgamate schools.
We did not do any of that.
They were also the ones who took the money from the feds for the ferry
settlement. What did they do with it?
They certainly did not put it into any plan for replacement of ferries.
Most of that was all done by this Administration.
There have very short memories.
With regard to transparency, Mr. Speaker, they are
talking about transparency. It is
not that long ago, I think it was only Thursday or Friday – where did the money
come from? Well, we really cannot
tell you. How much was it?
Well, we really cannot tell you.
What was it from each bank?
Well, we really cannot tell you.
Now, this is the leader coming out and saying we cannot
say this and we cannot tell you this – transparency?
One thing I will say, Mr. Speaker, about the Premier that we have today
here in the government is that he is open and transparent.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
FORSEY:
Some people said they were not born in the 1990s.
Well, I will have them know I was certainly around in the 1990s and the
1980s as well. I have been around
for some time. I have seen what the
Opposition and the Liberals have done.
MR.
WISEMAN:
The
1960s and 1970s.
MR.
FORSEY:
The
1960s and 1970s, yes, I say to the minister.
I even got the Minister of Finance awake there now.
He is even responding.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
FORSEY:
I
will also go back to when they were talking about municipal infrastructure and
programs for municipalities. They
are talking about the investment in municipalities – I am getting too excited, I
am going to have to fix that speaker – because there was no such thing.
I was on council for a couple of terms in my community and to get a
cost-shared project was not easy. It
was a 50-50, 60-40 if you were lucky.
That was it.
Most communities, especially in rural Newfoundland,
could not afford that. They just
could not afford it. That is why
everything fell down. It got
neglected because they could not afford it.
Then our government brought in the cost-shared ratio.
Of course then we started seeing work being done because our government
and our Administration was paying the 90 per cent, paying the 80 per cent, and
paying the 70 per cent.
A small community with less than 3,000 people could get
a 90-10 cost share, a 10 per cent cost to the community.
Get a million-dollar project to upgrade your water systems and you would
only have to pay $100,000. Mr.
Speaker, that was a good program and it still is a good program.
What did the mayors of some of the municipalities say
this year about our fire and emergency services and our funding for that?
It was great. It was
unprecedented. They were so pleased
with the investment in the fire and emergency service funding for the
municipalities, Mr. Speaker, because they could afford to do it.
The Mayor of Bishop's Falls said it was a great plan.
Do you know why it is a great plan?
Because the Town of Bishop's Falls right now, thanks to the cost-shared
ratio, can put in a $14 million sewage treatment plant, Mr. Speaker, which
should, I may add, be commissioned around the middle of August of this year
thanks to this government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
FORSEY:
If
they want to talk on the other side of their face though, they can –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER (Cross):
Order, please!
MR.
FORSEY:
– but they better be prepared to talk about facts.
Facts are what it is all about.
If they want transparency, listen to our Premier.
They will get transparency because that is what our Premier is all about,
is transparency. Not so much – it is
even, like I said, only three or four days ago when they talked to their leader
and because of public pressure they came back with a different view, never got
all the facts because they do not have them yet.
We do not have the money on their dinners yet.
How much were those dinners?
Mr. Speaker, $25,000, but we will not even go there.
I mean, that is not even worth talking about.
We are talking about $370,000 now that banks can write off for a party
and they say well, it is none of your business.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
FORSEY:
Absolutely, none of your business.
Isn't that amazing? That is the
openness and transparency that their leader is offering.
When you look at our leader you get what you see, openness and
transparency, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
FORSEY:
Let's get back to the Committee. Mr.
Speaker, I was very fortunate to be able to Chair the Government Services
Committee, and today I had the opportunity to speak to some of the Estimates of
the Resource Committee, Resource sector, which included – and I think the Member
for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune had already stated, and yourself as Chair of the
Committee, the Member for Bonavista North said as well that it takes in the
Advanced Education and Skills; Fisheries and Aquaculture; Forestry and
Agrifoods; Environment and Conservation; Office of Climate Change; Business,
Tourism, Culture and Rural Development.
Mr. Speaker, I am not going to get to all of these
departments today –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
FORSEY:
–
because if they want to know what business and rural development is doing and
when they were investing in broadband, I could talk about that later, if I get a
chance, or I could talk about our tourism industry and how much money it is
bringing into the Province, but I may not get there.
I am going to try, but I may not get there.
I will say that the member who just spoke did speak about agriculture and
what we are doing for agriculture, and we are doing some very good stuff.
We have worked hard at the industry as a government and
as the industry themselves and the stakeholders, Mr. Speaker.
I spent twenty-one years – and I will say it again – in the dairy
industry and our people in that industry did work very hard.
Apparently, the Member for CBS says that the people in the dairy industry
do not work very hard, but I have news for them, that these people do work very
hard.
I say, Mr. Speaker, if he has no respect for the people
in the farming industry that get up 4:00 o'clock in the morning and work until
12:00 o'clock in the night, if that is their attitude with regard to the natural
resources and the agriculture in this Province, they have some bad, bad issues
if they do not respect this industry and that hard work that goes into it.
I think they are certainly misinformed – well, they just do not care
because if they cared, they would probably know some facts about it.
I know right across the Province, but in Central
Newfoundland we have all kinds of initiatives out there in regard to root crops,
in regard to the cranberries. The
major one in the pork industry is in the District of Exploits, I would say,
Leamington Farms, doing a fantastic job.
Right now, the culinary industry wants this product, right across the
Province it is a big thing right now, and they are supplying it.
Mr. Speaker, we have farmers out there doing the root
crops. Their product is in demand as
well because it is local product.
These people are doing a fantastic job, but also in doing that, we are also
promoting food security and also promoting local products.
I am sure that I mentioned some of the programs that we
have in agriculture, but I want to get into what the farmers, the association,
and the department is doing in regard to teaching younger people in the Province
about farming. I think it is a great
thing, especially the initiative with Agriculture in the Classroom.
Some of the things that can help farmers get started,
or even the ones who are in the industry – and even the bigger players, Mr.
Speaker. In the dairy industry, we
are 100 per cent self-sufficient. We
are the same thing with chicken and eggs.
We are doing very well in those areas and we are certainly, should I use
the word, growing in other sectors as well.
Our Growing Forward 2 is $6.2 million per year for the
next five years, Mr. Speaker. It is
a very good program. Our Agriculture
and Agrifoods Development Fund is $2.55 million per year.
This fund was established to encourage the development, diversification,
and expansion of large-scale agricultural products.
Our Provincial Agrifoods Assistance Program, $2.25 million; our Cranberry
Industry Development Program, $7 million over five years.
That is a cost share with ACOA, 75 per cent non-repayable.
Mr. Speaker, we have ten huge farms that started up in
the cranberry industry. They all
developed ten acres each which at the time was – well, we got 100 acres out of
it. Now they are back into it again.
They are developing more acreage.
We want to get up to where we can have more production.
I know that the Speaker understands it as well because he has some
interest in his district.
The Land Consolidation Program is another great program
that the farmers have said this has given them an opportunity to acquire more
land which is what they were looking for.
Mr. Speaker, that is the kind of stuff that this government is doing and
believe in. Agriculture and
Agrifoods have 6,500 people employed in the industry and we are investing $12
million this year.
I wanted to get into the Agriculture in the Classroom
because I find now, anyone who has been listening, the farmers right from East
to Central to West are heavily involved in this.
Actually, the President of the Federation of Agriculture, provincially,
is from Cormack, and then we have a farmer from Central Newfoundland, in
Wooddale, that is on the board. We
also have another farmer out here, and everybody is familiar with Lester's
Farms, of course. They are heavily
involved in the Agriculture in the Classroom.
Back in 2011, Mr. Speaker, the steering committee was
comprised of the Newfoundland and Labrador Federation of Agriculture, the
Forestry and Agrifoods Agency, Agriculture and Agrifoods Canada, and the
Department of Education. So that is
how the committee was made up. There
is some interesting stuff here – and I just want to touch on a couple of things,
especially with the Little Green Thumbs, which is the Agriculture in the
Classroom, it is a very good program.
When it started in 2011, I think they started out with up to
twenty-something schools. Well, this
past year there were thirty-four schools, 1,800 students involved in the
program, and there is a waiting list that has begun for September of this year.
So that would just show you the interest.
To be fair to the schools that are already involved in
it, I would just like to mention them because I think they deserve a lot of
credit for what they are doing: Peacock Primary in Happy Valley-Goose Bay;
Stephenville Primary; Elwood Elementary; Newtown Elementary; St. Matthew's;
Cowan Heights Elementary; Immaculate Heart of Mary; Lakewood Academy; Smallwood
Academy; Pasadena Elementary; Beachy Cove Elementary; Rennie's River Elementary;
Templeton Academy, Eric G. Lambert School in Labrador; Newtown Elementary; E.A.
Butler; J.R. Smallwood Middle School; and there are a few more – but these are
the kind of schools and the places that they are teaching the Agriculture in the
Classroom, Mr. Speaker.
I was very fortunate the past couple of years to be
able to participate with the Rooting for Health when actually the Kids Eat Smart
program picked so many schools as projects for this Rooting for Health, and
there were four or five schools across the Province.
Last year I was able to attend St. John Bosco with the Minister of
Transportation. This year, a school
in my district, Helen Tulk Elementary, I was able to attend there because they
were part of the program.
Mr. Speaker, last year, the program in 2014: St. John
Bosco; Holy Family Elementary, Chapel Arm; Sprucewood Academy, Central; Pasadena
Elementary, West; Queen of Peace Middle School, Labrador.
That was the ones for last year.
This year it was: St. Matthew's Elementary; Anthony
Paddon, Musgravetown; Elwood Elementary, Deer Lake; Helen Tulk, Bishop's Falls;
and Peacock Primary, Labrador. They
were the ones that participated this year.
There were people there from the School Milk Foundation, people there
from the breakfast program, people there from the farmers.
That is what was really key, was the representation from the farmers.
I know a farmer from Wooddale, Chris Oram.
He will not mind me mentioning his name, I am sure, because he has been
promoting agriculture in the classroom, doing very well.
I had the privilege that morning to sit in a classroom with Chris when he
did some slideshows. He started
teaching or showing the students what goes on in farming and what they have to
go through. I must say, there were
some very, very interesting questions that the kids did ask.
Agriculture is doing very well in the Province, Mr.
Speaker, but not well enough. We
need to do more. We need to do a lot
more. We are encouraging new
entrants, and we are getting new entrants, Mr. Speaker.
I am very pleased. It is only
this year there were a couple of new young farmers out in my area who came into
the industry, which is what we are looking for I would say, Mr. Speaker.
Just before I finish on the agriculture in the
classroom, I just want to read this statement from one of the teachers. She
said, “I believe every single student that has left grade 3 has developed an
interest in and an appreciation for agriculture.” – now that is amazing.
“We had an opportunity to visit an agricultural fair.
We had farmers in our classroom speaking to us about their lives and
their profession. We had a cheese
maker in for a cheese tasting session.
We visited a farm. We ate
fresh food all year long. We had an
Agricultural Literacy Day in several grades.
We were allowed to get dirty all the time!
How could an interest in agriculture do anything but blossom!”
Now isn't that an amazing statement from one of the
teachers in these classrooms?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
FORSEY:
Absolutely, absolutely!
Mr. Speaker, that is funded too, by the way, from the
Growing Forward 2 program. I think
it is around $350,000 that goes into that program for the Agriculture in the
Classroom and Little Green Thumbs.
I am about to clue up, but this is such a great
project. I just wanted to explain
what we are doing in agriculture and what we are doing to try to promote it and
generate the interest. The programs
we have available as a government, Mr. Speaker, I think it is very important.
I will clue up with a couple of comments from the
little students in the classroom.
Students' comments, “I was shocked and one of our pepper plants was as tall as
the Empire State Building. I felt like I
was going to faint.” – that is one of the kids.
“The garden is growing good, I love it.”
Another one, “Our garden is gigantic!
I was so surprised when I walked in the
classroom.”
“I feel proud of how our garden is growing.”
Then this one says, “I'm not very happy about what is
happening at the top of our pole beans.
It looks like they're dead!
But the bottom is doing fine.” That
is the kind of interest that was generated in agriculture in the classroom with
the Grade 3s, Mr. Speaker.
With that, it is always a pleasure to represent the
District of Exploits and the people of Exploits in this House of Assembly, and
it is certainly always great to be able to talk about the good things that are
going on in the Province and being optimistic, because do you know what?
We are in a good positon, and we are going to be okay.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I am very pleased, as usual, to stand in this House and
speak to the issues that concern the people of the Province, and to once again
speak to the Budget.
Today, of course, we are speaking in what is called the
Concurrence debate. We have met with
all of the departments – not totally, we have some that we have to do here in
the House, the Executive Council, but in terms of the departments of government,
we have met with all of them in what is called Estimates meetings.
Now we are here today to sort of do a roundup, as it were, with regard to
the Estimates discussions that were held under the Committee called the Resource
Sector.
It is a vast area, as are all of the committees really,
and it is going to be hard to touch on everything that one would like to touch
on, but I am certainly going to hit some key things.
I did not intend starting with what I am going to start with, but because
my colleague, the MHA for Exploits, ended on the whole thing of food security
and since I was going to talk about it, I think that is where I am going to
start.
Before doing that, basing my comments on a broader
plane as it were, and that is the whole plane of, how do we use the resources in
our Province to help the people of the Province?
How do we use the resources in our Province to meet the needs of people
in our Province? When I say the
resources, I mean resources in the broadest context.
I mean resources in terms of our natural resources, the resources of our
land, and the resources of our water.
I mean resources in terms of our human resources, and resources in terms
of money. Resources can have many,
many meanings.
How do we use all of our resources to meet the needs of
people? Especially, how does the
natural resource in our Province connect with our human resource?
That becomes the important question and the thing we want to talk about.
As a Province we are quite blessed, because we have,
first of all, things that are similar to lots of other places.
We have forests. So we have
industry around forestry. We have
land, therefore we have agriculture and we have development around our land.
That is not new. We also have
lots of water because of being an island.
So we have the resources of the fishery, both an on-land fishery, as well
as a fishery from our ocean. We
have, of course, oil and gas in the offshore.
We have a tremendous resource build and resource rich
mass of land. When you include all
of the Island, as well as the land of Labrador, it is immense.
Of course, I have to mention the power.
The resource we have also, both in Labrador and on the Island with regard
to water, the force of water; therefore, hydro energy.
Of course, we have the mineral resources as well.
So how do we make that work for people, Mr. Speaker?
I think that is a major issue.
I am going to start, as I said, where the Member for
Exploits left off, and start, first of all, with the whole issue of our land and
our agriculture and what we do with our agriculture, and how do people benefit
from our agriculture. When it comes
to talking about food security, which I am going to talk about, we need that to
tie in as well with the fishery because our fish, of course, is a major part of
our natural resources, both in terms of the economic benefit to the Province as
well as the thousands of people who are employed as harvesters and plant workers
in the fishing industry.
Looking at food security, it is interesting, we have
some startling figures with regard to food security; 90 per cent of our food is
imported. In Ireland, I think, it is
around 50 per cent, but here in Newfoundland and Labrador about 90 per cent of
our food is imported. That means all
of our food.
Yes, it is true that government does have a plan in
place with regard to using land and accessing land in order to have that land
farmed. That is really good, but in
the discussion we had with the department during Estimates – I have so many
papers here now, I am going to get lost.
I hope not.
When we talked about the land that government is trying
to get its hands on for the sake of producing food, we learned that right now
the footprint that the agricultural sector occupies in the Province is about
25,000 acres. However, we are told
by the Department of Agrifoods that we need to get to about 100,000 acres to
include sufficient land base, to grow what is needed and required for
self-sufficiency. That would be
including self-sufficiency around livestock as well as self-sufficiency around
vegetables and fruit.
We are one-quarter of the way towards the goal.
We were told in Estimates – unfortunately, I do not have the figure in
front of me – the number of acres per year that government is being able to
access and then release to farmers.
It is a fairly small amount, to the point that I made the comment in Estimates:
Well, at this rate we will have food security in our Province about the same
time women will have equality on the planet.
That is saying something because we say that all the time in the feminist
movement. At the rate we are going,
it is going to be about 100 years before we reach our goal and it looks like
food security here is about the same.
The Member for Exploits did make a valid point and that
is there are good things going on in the community, some of them are efforts
that government supports, some of them are efforts that government supports
morally, but there are some good things going on but they are so tiny.
They are going to be important for changing mentality and changing
culture, I agree, but we need much more than those efforts.
I applaud those efforts and they have to be happening.
Things like Farm to School – and we know for example a
school here in the city, actually in my district, a private school, St. Bon's
has started that in their cafeteria.
So the stuff that is being used in their cafeteria, the food that is in their
cafeteria, it is all locally produced food that is sold in their cafeteria.
Then you have community gardens which are growing, and they are growing
not just here on the Island but in Labrador as well.
I think it helps get away from the notion – and there seems to be this
notion that we cannot grow things here in Newfoundland and Labrador; we do not
have good land. Well, it is not
true, you know. We have all kinds of
good land and we have land that can be made better.
The community gardens are starting to get people to realize we can grow.
While I was not around in the early 1900s and even
later than that when I was around, people were farming all over the place.
Growing up in St. John's, for example, we were surrounded by farms here
in St. John's, around St. John's itself and then all the way up the shore and
out Conception Bay, people were farming everywhere.
Certainly, when I was a child here in St. John's, our
produce was all locally produced.
The meat that we ate, for example, was locally produced.
We ate a lot of lamb and we bought that locally, up the shore.
We had our own eggs. My
grandfather had a place out in Manuels and he produced eggs.
We ate locally much more when I grew up than we do now.
Of course, that is a sign of the growth of agribusiness on this planet
unfortunately, and agribusiness has taken over.
I think government is doing small steps around this but
it is incumbent to not only make land available to farmers, but to find other
ways in which also. Marketing is
extremely important and when we look at something like the fishery which is so
important to us on many levels, increasing marketing around fish and trying to
really get our fishery not just being export-oriented, but also making our fish
available here in the Province in a much broader way is also extremely important
as a part of our food security.
We all know how healthy fish is.
Our fish here, because it comes from colder waters, not only is our fish
healthy, but it is delicious. For
example, if you eat lobster in Southern climates it does not compare at all in
taste to lobster up here. Groundfish
in Southern climates does not compare with ours.
It is because of the colder water our fish is even better.
It is not only healthy, but delicious.
We are in danger of that resource becoming less sustainable if we do not
work closely with a federal government that is willing to understand the need
for that sustainable resource to not just be an export resource, but a resource
that is important inside of our Province as well.
We see government trying to work – and we are all
involved in this because of the All-Party Committee, we are all becoming more
involved with it – with a federal government that just does not seem to
understand why that resource has to be shared and the importance of that
resource here in this Province. What
happened with the Northern shrimp and access to Northern shrimp and the sharing
of quotas, what has just happened with the quota with regard to halibut – which
is absolutely disgraceful to have decisions made by a federal government based
on a political basis to further their own cause to try to get re-elected.
To have decisions made around that wonderful resource based on that as a
goal is absolutely unbelievable.
So we have a lot that we have to face, but it is
important that we do it. It is
important that we do it both for the workers in the fishery.
We have 9,465 harvesters in our fishery and 7,880 processors.
These are good numbers, but they are down.
The numbers are moving down, so we need an aggressive plan by government
with regard to marketing, with regard to making sure that the fish that is taken
out of our waters is processed here in our Province.
We have to get away from a mentality that gives benefits to corporations
and forgets the need of those working in the industry, the kind of thing that is
happening with OCI. This government
seems to have a favourite eye on OCI, giving exemptions to OCI that are not
benefiting the workers in our Province.
It is all tied in together, the food security, the desire to keep that
industry not only alive, but to keep that industry growing for the sake, one, of
the economy of people and, two, because that resource would be so healthy for
our Province.
Something that the government –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Something that this government –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I apologize to the member for interfering, but I would
like the co-operation of the members of the House, please.
I recognize the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
The point I want to make next is really an important
one, so I am glad to have the order called, and that is we have to change the
thinking that has been happening in this Province.
I have seen with this government across the way, in spite of so many of
them representing rural Newfoundland and Labrador, an attitude that does not
seem to understand that the economy of rural Newfoundland and Labrador is the
backbone of our provincial economy.
It always was and it still is. So we
have to look at how do we work with rural Newfoundland and Labrador to maintain
that backbone so that our economy continues to grow?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
MICHAEL:
Without a strong fishery, without strong, community-based and rural
community-based economic development the economy of this Province goes down the
drain.
It has been that circle on our coast that has held us
up for generations. So we have to
look at what does that circle need in order to keep holding us up, not how do we
help communities die out, not how do we help people resettle.
There may be some of that that has to happen, but it does not have to
happen for the majority. How do we
strengthen that circle that surrounds us physically and that keeps us going
economically? That is what we have
to start thinking; that is how we have to start thinking.
We cannot allow communities to die not just because of the people living
in them, but because that circle of our rural communities is what keeps us
going.
It is how we got started in the format that we are as a
land that had Europeans come over to it, and it is how we have to view it.
The realization that we would not have the urban cities that we have, we
would not have the urban realities, without being held up by that circle of
rural communities which are based in fishing, which are based in forestry, which
are based in the mining industry.
How do we make the natural resources work for us?
When we look at forestry and we see how little the
government is doing around forestry – years after nationalizing the forest
resources that belonged to Abitibi Bowater, government has yet to find any
industry willing to use the resource.
Other than paying insurance on a mothball pellet plant on the Northern
Peninsula and engaging in endless negotiations with companies about the
potential use of our pulpwood resource, government has done nothing.
All they have done is talk, and they have absolutely no plan in place for
keeping our forestry industry going – none whatsoever.
I need to talk because it is a critic area of mine and
it is not under resources, but it is, and that is a major concern under our
educational system, Mr. Speaker.
There are many things I could talk about with regard to that.
I am pleased that finally we are going to have all-day kindergarten
beginning in 2016, obviously. I am
pleased that early childhood education is now part of our educational Department
of Education, but that is going to mean we have more of a challenge with regard
to making sure that we develop a full, publicly, accessible and affordable child
care program.
The piece that is sort of falling between the cracks, I
think, because it involves a minority, has to be addressed by this government.
That is what is happening with regard to what is so-called inclusion in
our school system. Because if
inclusion means you just have all of the children in the classroom without the
resources that they need, then we have a major problem.
I do not know if the members of the government heard –
I am sure the Official Opposition did and we certainly did – a story on CBC
Radio this week about a family in Alberta, in Fort McMurray, who have a child
who is autistic and who is getting one-on-one assistance and instruction as part
of the educational system in school.
They would love to come home to this Province, but they cannot because
everything that they are now receiving as part of the educational system they
would have to, first of all, try to find and, secondly, pay for it themselves
back here in this Province.
This government came out with a wonderful notion of
inclusion and then did not put resources in place for the children who are in
those classrooms, and did not put resources in place that would assist the
teachers as well. It is disgraceful
what they have done, Mr. Speaker, absolutely disgraceful.
I have to make a point once again about what I have
been grilling the Premier on over the last two weeks.
That is this government's short-sighted answer to needs in our health
care system, particularly around long-term care – privatize, bring in the profit
sector to take care of social needs.
That is not what we want in this Province.
I am telling this government that is not what the people of this Province
want either.
They do not want privatization of the social programs
in this Province, but that is their vision, wonderful vision.
Not a vision of social justice.
Not a vision of how we, as a government, make things work for everybody
so nobody falls between the cracks and nobody gets left behind, but a vision of
let's turn it over to the for-profit sector.
It is out of our hands. We
will not have worry about it and to hell with what happens.
Well, that is not acceptable, Mr. Speaker.
That is not acceptable at all.
Thank you very much for the time on the floor today.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, what is not acceptable – we can have a great debate in this House about
what is not acceptable, but to hear the House Leader of Third Party stand today
and talk about what is not acceptable.
I do not know where to jump in on what she was saying.
I am not overly critical by nature, Mr. Speaker, but there are a few
comments that were made there and I think it is important to clarify that for
the people watching. I am sure right
now at 5:00 o'clock in the evening, or close to it, people are watching.
To hear the House Leader of the Third Party condemn this government about
rural Newfoundland and Labrador, it is unbelievable.
I sat in this House – I represent a fishing district.
I have said it before I have thirty-six communities.
They were born in the fishery and they will die in the fishery, Mr.
Speaker. We are building tourism
around that, no question, but to say that this government does not understand
the backbone of the economy of rural Newfoundland is absolutely shameful.
I do not know where she has been.
Maybe tucked down over the hill here in St. John's, but I can tell you
she has not been in rural Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
I
can go on. Mr. Speaker, we have had
debates in this House about the fishery, all-party committees.
The Liberal members have stood up. We
have stood up. We fought for the
fishery. We have argued with Ottawa.
We have worked with the FFAW.
We have worked with processors. We
put money in the communities when they lose their plants.
We help work through to make sure plants can survive.
We have talked fish in this House.
Many, many times we have talked fish.
Mr. Speaker, I have sat in the House and for two years she could not say
the word fish – she could not say the word fish.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
You
can shake your head, and you know it.
Mr. Speaker, she can shake her head, but I guess Earle McCurdy is writing
her notes these days. We are going
to hear a lot more about the fish from the NDP, and that is all right, Mr.
Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I bring that up simply for the fact that
she would stand here and condemn our government and our rural record; condemn
our government about the fishery, condemn our government and our commitment as
rural members, how we are supporting the economy in our rural areas.
I will put it up against any government in our history.
Let's take a look at some of the areas.
We can go down to the South Coast and look at aquaculture, Mr. Speaker.
We could do that. We talk
about it all the time.
I am going to talk about my own district and what is
happening to the rural economy in The Isles of Notre Dame.
Let's talk about The Isles of Notre Dame
and the growth we have seen. We have
a strong fishery with strong investments.
Young fishermen are doing well.
It is a high risk, big investments, lots of concerns about quotas, but I
can tell you, we have a strong fleet of fishery in our district.
We have plants that are employing workers, lots of them, so much so they
cannot find enough workers. They
keep talking about the concern there are no jobs – they cannot find enough
workers.
Beyond that, the supply area, whether it is in – you
can come into Twillingate or you can go into Fogo Island, Mr. Speaker.
You can see all the boats there and all the spinoff into the communities
and the support they get from not only businesses in the town but from the
mayors of the communities and from councils and so on.
Mr. Speaker, we value the fishery.
It is the backbone of our economy.
One thing she did say was right, it is feeding into the larger
communities, but the fishery is just one aspect of the economy in The Isles of
Notre Dame.
Let's talk about tourism, Mr. Speaker.
It is one of the top tourism spots in the Province.
We will have 70,000 to 80,000 visitors this summer.
Do you know what? They are
going to go away with a good experience when they come to Twillingate, when they
come to New World Island, when they come to Fogo Island, or Change Islands.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
They are going home with a good experience, Mr. Speaker.
We have, Mr. Speaker, dozens and dozens of new
businesses related to tourism, around bed and breakfasts, around restaurants –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
DALLEY:
We
have a thriving economy in the tourism sector.
Mr. Speaker, we have a private sector who has made significant
investments to build their tourism project.
Beyond that, let's look at Fogo Island, Mr. Speaker.
What are we doing? You talk
about a commitment to rural Newfoundland and Labrador, a brand new $50 million
ferry, Mr. Speaker, going into Fogo Island.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Do
not stand here and say we do not know what is going on in rural Newfoundland and
Labrador, Mr. Speaker. That has been
our bread and butter. That is how we
survived as a government. We are
rural Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
We
are about the backbone of Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, let's talk about Fogo Island and the investment in the Shorefast inn.
Our government brought $9 million to the
people of Fogo Island and Change Islands to help build that economy and to help
diversify the economy. We have been
successful in doing that, no question.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Hundreds of jobs, Mr. Speaker, new businesses propping up, new interest in the
town in tourism. So now when you go
to The Isles of Notre Dame, you do not just pop in for a day or two, you need a
couple of weeks. Come in and enjoy
what is happening when there are activities every night, when there are new
restaurants to take up, when there is theatre.
There are all kinds of things growing out of the tourism industry.
Do you know what? This
government supports that.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
A
strong private sector, but this government has laid down the groundwork to build
the tourism industry on $12 million a year in tourism ads, Mr. Speaker.
We have created the attention.
We have captured the markets, that they need to come to Newfoundland and
Labrador.
When you get here, Mr. Speaker, you can go anywhere and
enjoy the hospitality of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
There are some areas that have grown.
You can go down to the Bonavista area, go to the Twillingate area, go to
Fogo Island, go up to Gros Morne, or come into St. John's.
There are lots of places you can go to experience Newfoundland and
Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, our government has supported that time and time again.
There are many areas, there is no question.
I could list areas where other members are from.
We have a great product in Newfoundland and Labrador, and the basis of
that are the people.
Our people, Mr. Speaker, are absolutely wonderful.
They are the ones – when people drive away and they have a tremendous
experience, what they talk about most are the people of Newfoundland and
Labrador. I can tell you when they
come to The Isles of Notre Dame, they go away talking about the people as well.
I am very proud of it.
I want to speak to that because I think it is a bit
shameful and disconnected, Mr. Speaker, for someone here in St. John's to stand
up and say we do not understand rural Newfoundland.
We are not connected. Well
you can pick them out, but make sure you choose them because I can tell you one,
as a member of The Isles of Notre Dame and living in rural Newfoundland and
Labrador, I am not disconnected with rural Newfoundland and Labrador.
I believe in it.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, the other thing the member raised was education.
Do you know what? I would be
the first to acknowledge there are challenges in our education system.
I spent twenty years in the education system, and I know you spent a long
time there as well.
Mr. Speaker, we have had challenges, and we have always
had challenges. If we fix all the
problems today, we will have more challenges tomorrow.
That is our education system.
We know that. What the commitments
have to be, one is to acknowledge we have challenges, and for two, we need to
make progress. We need to find a way
to continue to make progress to meet the challenges that are in our education
system. Government alone cannot do
that, nor can government alone stand and take credit for it.
There are a lot of stakeholders in education that play a role.
The successful students, the successful schools, have
all those stakeholders engaged, whether it is your principals, the backbones of
our schools, the ones who drive and motivate and lay the plans for the school.
We have teachers out there who are absolutely fabulous day and night.
I know many of them. I can tell
you they are incredible.
Then you go down to your special services, whether it
is your Ed Psych or your guidance, you have your student assistants, you have
your support staff. Then you have
your students, front and center, student-based, student needs, make decisions in
the best interests of students. Then
beyond that you have parents, which play a significant role as well.
Our best schools, with our best outcomes are when the
stakeholders are engaged, when the communities are engaged, when parents are
involved, when teachers and administrators are committed.
I can tell you as well, Mr. Speaker, when it is the district or the
Department of Education, that government are committed.
I can tell you, our government has been
firmly committed to education in this Province, K-12, post-secondary, the list
goes on.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Now, the member opposite referenced inclusive education.
I said, Mr. Speaker, I spent twenty years in education.
Of those twenty years, every year I have been a strong advocate and
worked with very closely in the area of special services.
There are many challenges, no question, but do you know what?
There are many victories, many accomplishments, and many great things
happening out there, no question about it.
I have had emails come, even when the debate is back and forth.
I get emails from parents and people who are strong supporters of
inclusive education.
Now, there are a few things about inclusive education.
What it is, it is an approach around our policies, our practices.
The culture of a school is inclusive.
I do not think any member should condemn an approach to our education
system where we take a very conscious approach, dedicated, committed, to finding
ways to ensure that any of our students with exceptionalities, disabilities, are
included. We need them included.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
DALLEY:
You
had your chance, you had your chance.
So, Mr. Speaker, we all support inclusive education,
whether it is in the education system, or whether it is in society.
It is the model we believe in; it is a model we support.
Is that model without challenges? Absolutely
not. There are challenges with that
model.
One of the myths in inclusive education is that any
student with an exceptionality or disability goes in the classroom 100 per cent
of the time. That is not the model.
Inclusive education is about what is best for the student, building on
the strengths and needs of the student in an accepting culture and an accepting
environment, where we address the strengths and needs of the student in the
classroom; but, there may be times when what is in the best interest of that
student is that they are not in the classroom, that they are not included in a
certain aspect of the education.
Their strengths may be better served, their needs may be better addressed if
they are not in the classroom.
That does not mean you are not in a classroom all of
the time. That means there are times
when you need to do what is best for the student, whether it is to include them
or to have them in a separate environment or separate situation, Mr. Speaker.
How do you determine all of that?
Generally, students with exceptionalities, they have services available
to them. Every student in our school
system has services available to them, whether it is guidance, educational
psychologist, one of the itinerants –
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi to a point of order.
MS
MICHAEL:
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
The member is saying that all of the students with
exceptionalities have resources ready for them.
Well, Mr. Speaker, I would like him to explain why there are people who
have been sent home and are at home because the school has told them they do not
have the resources to help those children.
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, as I said, I will acknowledge there are challenges and I certainly
encourage the member if she has a name of someone who has been sent home by the
school, for no reason, I would like to know that and I would gladly look into
it.
Let me tell you, Mr. Speaker, in situations of kids
with exceptionalities, there are all kinds of challenges.
There is a very broad spectrum and where the students are on that
spectrum and what their needs are.
There may be medical needs where they cannot come to school until 10:00 o'clock
in the morning. I was recently out
to a school, where we opened up a brand new school, I had a chat with a student
and the student does not come in until 10:00 o'clock.
We were out in Carbonear, a brand new school out in Carbonear, I finally
get a chance to go out and dedicate the school, the students there, the staff,
they were wonderful, delighted that we came.
I spoke to a young student who did not get to the
ceremony because they do not come to school until 10:00 o'clock.
That is not the schools saying that; that is because of the needs of the
child. Any time there is a
situation, Mr. Speaker, where kids are home, no question, there is a reason for
it, multiple reasons: behaviour, medical.
There are things that have to be considered.
You cannot just take it and throw it out there and blame it on a school,
or blame it on the administrator, because there are other circumstances.
What is important in those circumstances – every one of them, and that
one if it is one that is actually true or one she is making up.
If there are situations like that we have to –
MS
MICHAEL:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi, on a
point of order.
MS
MICHAEL:
(Inaudible) has hinted at my not telling the truth and I want that taken back.
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, if she is taking the fact that I implied she lied, I am not.
If you feel that way, I certainly take it back.
All I am saying is there are situations out there, and I do not believe
standing on the floor of the House and cherry-picking one issue when you have
67,000 students, cherry-picking one issue when you have 5,300 teachers, when you
have 265 schools to stand here and condemn the education system and government
because we have an issue out there.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
I
offer to the member if there is a situation – I did as well during Estimates.
If you have circumstances or situations – and I invite all members, if
there are situations out there that are concerning and you do not have the
answers and you need some help finding answers or some explanation, I would be
only too glad as acting minister, Mr. Speaker, to make sure we get it.
Simply because I believe our government's investment in education, I
believe our Department of Education, and our school districts are about one
thing and that is students.
Our education system has to be about students.
We have to acknowledge the challenges.
We have to work together to find a way through it.
We will, Mr. Speaker, as we always have.
As I said before, there have always been challenges in our education
system. I remember them.
I remember the different special ed models that were brought in.
Some worked well. There were
strengths about it that we liked, but there are other things that just were not
right. Mr. Speaker, you have to
continue to work that and continue to evolve.
An inclusive education ensures that we create programs
and policies; we create a school culture that needs to represent society, so
that kids with exceptionalities, kids with disabilities are included, they are
not segregated, and they feel a part of something.
They deserve that, Mr. Speaker.
Not only that, every kid in that classroom needs to understand that if we
are ever going to evolve as a society where we can put all those differences
aside, we have to teach our kids that.
What better way to teach them than ensure that we have inclusive
classrooms, ensure that we give those kids the same opportunity.
We are doing that.
I say again, Mr. Speaker, every kid in the system,
every student out there with exceptionality, has services available to them.
Are there some situations where they may need more?
Absolutely, Mr. Speaker, no question, without a doubt.
The lady in Alberta who has made the media this week, I do not know what
the situation is of her child. I do
not know what the needs would be. We
have strengths in our system that Alberta does not have; Alberta has strengths
in theirs that we do not have. If
that situation was presented to the district – and I do not know if it has or
not – about how that child could be accommodated in our school system I can tell
you, we have dozens, hundreds, come every year from other provinces that are
accommodated in our school system.
I know of one in particular that came from Manitoba
with an autistic child, and to this day they rave about the supports that they
get from our teachers, the commitment from our teachers, the commitment from our
special services programs. They rave
about that, about the supports given to their child.
It not just the negativity.
There are circumstances out there – many, many, many – where there is tremendous
success going on in our classrooms and it is because of the inclusive model.
When members condemn the inclusive model, they should
think it is not about the model, it is about within the model –
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi, on a point of order.
MS
MICHAEL:
Mr.
Speaker, I have not condemned the inclusion model.
I have condemned this government for not putting the resources in place,
and it is the parents who are coming to me who are speaking about the problem.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, again, just a couple of points there, just to wrap up about education
and how we view education, how I view it as the minister, and the importance of
all of us to acknowledging the value of our education system and how well it
operates and the stakeholders that are involved and recognizing there are
challenges, recognizing we need to take those on, we need to find ways through
that. Student assistance support,
teacher support, guidance support, special services support, the instructional
resource teachers, our administrators, the whole system collectively are working
and doing some great things in our education system.
I do not want, because there are some situations that are more difficult
than others, to leave the impression or to condemn this government for our
commitment to education, Mr. Speaker.
It is absolutely wrong. It is
absolutely disingenuous when you condemn the entire system and the people in it
because of a few situations, but, as minister, I will continue to work towards
those.
The other point that I will make, please, do not stand
here and condemn this government about our commitment to rural Newfoundland and
Labrador. We will put our record up
against anyone.
MR.
SPEAKER:
I
remind the minister his time has expired.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to speak to the concurrence.
I have had the opportunity all afternoon to listen to
member after member on the opposite side, from the government, talk about the
Official Opposition's lack of openness and transparency, when they should be
looking at themselves. This is a
government that is continuously hiding the sexual exploitation report.
The Premier is refusing to release this document; yet, the minister says:
Well, it is anonymous. So why are
they standing and hiding behind this very serious issue and not releasing the
report?
Also, this is a government that yesterday had voted and
concurred in, deemed the Estimates for the Office of Public Engagement, line by
line items, all voted on, without being questioned in an Estimates Committee
meeting that was scheduled. Then,
today gets in the House and the Government House Leader said: The Executive
Council Estimates will be debated, and the Office of Public Engagement, on
Thursday.
MR.
KENT:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER (Verge):
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services,
on a point of order.
MR.
KENT:
I
have listened to the nonsense from the hon. member for a couple of days.
I suggest he should show up for Estimates when it is scheduled.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I say to the hon. the Minister of Health and Community
Services, the use of the work nonsense is unparliamentary.
I ask you to withdraw.
MR.
KENT:
I
withdraw, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's South.
MR.
OSBORNE:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, on a point of order.
The hon. member opposite knows that it is
unparliamentary to refer to somebody as being absent from the House.
Estimates is an extension of the House of Assembly, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Government House Leader, speaking to the
point of order?
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I appreciate the member opposite reminding us of
parliamentary law and procedure. The
member has withdrawn his comments.
The member opposite also knows that while Estimates is
an extension of the House, it is not the House of Assembly.
The House rules apply to the sitting right here in the House of Assembly.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I will say to the member opposite, I clearly showed up
and was available to Estimates meetings.
Certainly, the Office of Public Engagement, the staff were sent away
before Estimates even started. I met
them in the doorway.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Now, when this happens in the House of Assembly, we will not get the opportunity
to debate the Office of Public Engagement because they have already been voted
on and people will not be able to question the spending of the office that would
have implemented the Access to Information and Privacy Protection Act.
MR.
KENT:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services,
on a point of order.
MR.
KENT:
I
will answer all of his questions in this House on Thursday, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Now, I want to talk about the Concurrence debates
because this is the most secretive and non-transparent government that we have
had in the history of the Province.
When we talk about Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural
Development – because the member opposite got up and talked about that the
government is committed to rural Newfoundland and Labrador, and I would say they
have really fallen off the map for that.
The Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune got up
talking about, where does the Official Opposition stand on Muskrat Falls?
Muskrat Falls has lots of jobs.
This is the megaproject that is going to have tons of jobs.
Well, I met with Nalcor today, the executives of Nalcor, and they said
that there are 30,000 people who had applied for these jobs, these little over
3,000 jobs. So there is a lot more
work to be done to create employment in Newfoundland and Labrador when you have
over 30,000 people looking for work on this project that you cannot deliver on
the jobs.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Then when we look at the overall piece of where this government stands on its
track record, the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde got up and clearly said
where this government, and where the leader of the Province right now, the
Premier had taken over office in September when business confidence was at its
highest in the country and now it is number six.
It is tanking, it is going down.
Under the leadership of this government, it is going down significantly.
In the Budget, what do they bring in?
They bring in a job killing HST hike.
That is going to be a tax on people.
It is a tax on every good and service, basically, that is being purchased
here in the Province. It hurts
business. It hurts economic
development and growth. That is
quite significant to see where this government is.
We do not see them in their Budget where they are talking about jobs and
the economy.
You talk about forestry.
Forestry has been brought up quite a bit lately.
Government gave two sentences to it in the Budget – two sentences.
The minister, I have asked time and time again for the official job
numbers and how the department has calculated 5,500 jobs in forestry when their
own documents say otherwise.
In 2008, their own records say the maximum that the
whole industry – indirect, the direct with the sawmills and everything that is
there – would be 3,000 jobs. Then
when I spoke to the –
MR.
GRANTER:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Fisheries and Aquaculture, on
a point of order.
MR.
GRANTER:
Yes, very quickly, Mr. Speaker.
I presented those numbers to the House of Assembly and
also requested a meeting. I have
agreed for my department officials to sit down with the hon. member for a
meeting. So it is ridiculous he
would stand in the House and get on with that this afternoon.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
I
have certainly requested that meeting and can confirm it, but it has not yet
been confirmed. So I am looking
forward to meeting with the officials on that and to get the accurate numbers.
They are certainly not reflective of what the industry and what every
other document – even government's endorsed economist, Dr. Wade Locke, is saying
otherwise.
When I was in Estimates, and after Estimates and
speaking to the CEO of the Agrifoods Agency, they claim the value-added market
exploded. There are over 1,100 jobs
in value added now, despite a mill being closed, despite the inactivity in
forestry, despite all kinds of cutbacks that are happening in the industry.
British Columbia is thriving as a province.
It is leading the way in business confidence.
It has not focused, like this government has, on oil.
It is focused on its forestry and its non-renewables.
In that way, that creates real value.
This government has not.
This government invested in a forestry diversification
program, where my Member for Bay of Islands had talked about putting this money
on the Great Northern Peninsula, and not being able to see it create real
economic value. That is a
significant problem for the 400 people who worked on the Great Northern
Peninsula.
This is a government that said, well, we have gone back
to the drawing board. I have a
letter here from the minister of forestry saying that it is going back, and
hopefully we will have reinstatement of this plant by spring of 2015.
Another missed timeline. We
do not see where the commitment is from this government for the Great Northern
Peninsula on where they are going to be to create jobs and opportunity in
forestry, that is for sure.
They are silent on the issue.
They are not willing to address it.
There is no date on the letter either.
So this is an open, transparent, and accountable government.
How often do you get a letter from an official that is not date-stamped,
that is not sent electronically, and that is just left without a date?
Not open, not accountable.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Humber Valley Paving.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Yes, Humber Valley Paving was a prime example of this information as well.
Now, the big game licence, we have seen in this Budget
an attack completely on rural Newfoundland and Labrador when it comes to
resident hunters and when it comes to non-resident hunters.
Everybody is going to be paying more for moose, caribou, and bear – any
type of hunting licence, there is a new fee attached, because this is a
government that likes to tax, tax, tax, and take money out of people's pockets.
That is not going to give you strong economic or
business development. The outfitting
industry, a number of them have written me and have said I am going to be out
$13,000, I am going to be out $20,000 this year; so I am not able to do these
upgrades, I am not able to give this wage increase or I am not able to do
certain things, because this government's short-sighted decision has had an
impact on my business.
These are the types of things that we are hearing.
So when you look at the track record over the last twelve years of this
government it is quite dire, it is very dire when you look at the economy and
you look at business. You only have
to look at the Rentech deal that never is; it is not there.
When it comes to the Central timberlands of 2009 where you have
expropriated all this fibre and you let it sit idle, you have no value or no
business plan for where you can create new opportunities.
Where is this forestry integrated management plan, where you can make all
players work together in an integrated model?
The minister opposite got up and he talked about his
district. I visited his district on
Change Islands just a short time ago, less than a month, and I had met with the
Manolis L committee, the citizens'
committee that are concerned – and the minister not once mentioned
Manolis L when he stood up just now –
not once.
I was at that meeting – and I have written a letter.
I have written another letter to the minister, the federal minister, and
I am going to continue to press for this to be cleaned up.
We need to see the oil removed, but we are seeing such a weak stance from
the Fisheries Minister and from the Environment Minister on this matter.
They are not able to have a relationship in Ottawa.
They are not able to work with the federal government to find solutions
when it comes to Manolis L.
We look at our fishery and we see the LIFO policy in
Northern shrimp. We see the
inequality in the food fishery. We
see the failure when it comes to marine search and rescue and the closure of the
Coast Guard in St. John's and also to be closed in St. Anthony.
We see the softening of the CETA deal now where they said oh yes, we
support CETA; we are willing to forego our $400 million fish fund.
They did not budget $120 million in the Budget at all for it anyway.
They do not have custodial management.
We debated the halibut situation, which we certainly
need to see more action from government.
I have not seen the Minister of Fisheries go to Ottawa yet, but table a
resolution in the House. We need to
see a lot more action when it comes to how you are going to get things done and
find solutions for the fishery so that the workers there get results.
We see a lot of talk on this side, but very little action when it comes
to the fishery from the minister on the other side.
We need to see that. They are
softening their stance.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
I
sat in an Estimates Committee meeting on the Government Purchasing Agency –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
–
and the minister, the Deputy Premier, got up and said in that Estimates
Committee meeting that when it comes to the agreement on internal trade, which
is about mobility of jobs, doing more procurement, more opportunities with the
cross-jurisdictions across the country, we are not at the table.
We are not at the table because of the CETA disagreement.
So now that the –
MR.
KENT:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services,
on a point of order.
MR.
KENT:
Mr.
Speaker, I am glad he made it for a portion of the meeting.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
My constituents and the people certainly know where I
stand on issues and that I am available and accessible.
I would say to the member opposite, I have asked for repeatedly, to him
as the Deputy Premier, to the Government House Leader's staff, to the Clerk's
Office of the House of Assembly for an Estimates meeting to be rescheduled for
the Office of Public Engagement because the Deputy Premier sent his staff out of
a three-hour Estimates meeting. So
that did not happen. Whatever he
says about me being in attendance or not, I spoke to his staff in the doorway
saying they would be back and they are not back.
So that is the reality.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services
standing on a point of order?
MR.
KENT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Again, he should have shown up when it was scheduled.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Mr.
Speaker, I certainly showed up for that Estimates meeting when it was scheduled,
but he sent his staff out.
MR.
KENT:
Because you were not available – because you were not there.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
I
am not going to get into his pettiness when it comes to this.
He obviously does not want to look at the Office of Public Engagement and
have the scrutiny that it needs and deserves.
Now, if we look at agriculture, we look at farming, we
look at the failed strategy when it comes to looking at making more agricultural
land available. When we look at our
natural area and climate, we should be a haven for sheep farming in Newfoundland
and Labrador, yet we have less than 1,000 sheep here.
We have so many problems when it comes to looking at how we can grow –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
–
renewable natural industries that have sustained us for centuries, when it comes
to the fishery, when it comes to forestry, when it comes to farming.
What the members opposite talk about are some of the
educational programs that are implemented in the classroom – and that is great,
but we need to see real, tangible growth when it comes to looking at where the
jobs are going to be in the communities that we represent.
I represent a very rural district that has been
decimated, that has seen job loss after job loss under the leadership of this
government and their direction, and their failure.
They have cut the Regional Economic Development Boards.
We have seen places where like New World Island's district association
has to sell of their assets, and where Lewisporte district association had to
close their office doors.
So when you make those types of cuts – and then the
member opposite talks about the ferry that is coming, this $50 million ferry, to
Fogo Island and Change Islands, but he did not include the tariffs because of
his bad management skills and the style.
Twenty-five million dollar tariffs that are going to cost the taxpayers
of the Province because this government chose to go with another company versus
going with a company that was a lower cost, had a free trade agreement, and had
the quality and had experience with making ships for Newfoundland waters, as the
Member for St. John's South has pointed out previously.
The people of the Province are really sick and tired of
seeing bad management over and over and over, poor decisions, seeing job losses,
seeing their taxes increase, seeing the HST being put on – it is unbelievable,
unbelievable, and it is a real problem.
There is a real problem with the Minister of Child,
Youth and Family Services will not release a report on sexual exploitation for
people of the Province, will not answer any questions that are directed towards
him in the House of Assembly today.
So, if the member wants to get up and talk he will have that opportunity,
because the members opposite certainly took lots of my time – they must not like
what I am saying, Mr. Speaker. They
took lots of time in points of order that made no sense, that showed their
inability to really manage, to listen, to really hear the concerns of the people
that I represent in The Straits – White Bay North.
That is a problem.
When it comes to looking at the Environment and
Conservation portfolio, beyond the environment on the
Manolis L, this government, under the minister, has a very terrible
track record of accepting liability after liability after liability.
They have accepted liabilities of the AbitibiBowater
sites, which we do not know what the costs were.
It was listed at $264 million.
Come By Chance, they still do not even know what those liabilities are.
After the company has been in operation it has to go through several more
phases. The minister has admitted,
we still have not done the work.
Well, if you do not do the work, you should not be able to get a promotion or
stay where you are. You have to do
the hard work.
When we look at natural resources and we look at the
mining sector and all the jobs that are being lost in Lab West with the downturn
in the mining sector. We see the
rally that took place and the workers standing strong and united, and seeing the
Leader of the Official Opposition there speaking out and supporting the workers
there. Where was the Minister of
Labrador and Aboriginal Affairs?
Where was the Premier? The Premier
was out having a fundraising dinner, not looking out for the workers of Lab
West, I say.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
When we look at energy efficiency, we have seen where they cut programs.
We have seen in climate change where the strategy that has been put
forward will not meet targets. We
have not seen an update when it comes to sector-by-sector targets and how you
can achieve getting below the 1990 levels by 2020.
This is just going to be pushed off, pushed off, and pushed off.
Is this going to be another thing that is pushed off
like the Waste Management Strategy where now it is five more years before you
get there because you cannot get the job done?
That is what the Member for Bay of Islands continuously brings up,
brought up, and raised about the inability for Don Downer and others who are on
the West Coast committee to be able to fully put forward a strategy.
To see that this is taking five more years before we deal with the
issues.
We have people on the Northern Peninsula, on the South
Coast in Labrador who are not going to be able to deal with this because you are
not putting in the appropriate plan.
They are going to have to pay more and more out of pocket.
That is what this government and that is what this Budget is all about.
It is about taking money out of people's pockets, it is about cutting
jobs, and it is about increasing spending that is unsustainable.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Labrador West.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am pleased to stand here this afternoon to speak on
the Concurrence and sitting on the Estimates Committee.
I just want to speak – and I am not going to mention anything else that
the Member for The Straits – White Bay North had to say, but in his last few
seconds there, he spoke about the rally in Labrador West.
He said how the Leader of the Opposition was in there side by side with
all the workers, hurrahing with the workers.
The Leader of the Third Party was also in there, and
the comment of the Leader of the Third Party, I am going to mention that first.
He was there with both fists pumping.
His comment disturbed me, and I have no doubt it disturbed some of the
other people who were walking in that walk, was that if and when I get elected,
as the Leader of the NDP party, then the first place I am coming back to is
Labrador West.
The Leader of the Opposition was in there and he spoke,
and I have to give credit. He was
very, very registered with his comments.
He was very registered. The
Labrador MP was in there and made very appalling comments I thought, but when I
got up to that microphone, and I do not mind saying it, I was booed off a stage.
I was booed off a stage when I stood on
that with that crowd.
The point I made very clear was that when I am there, I
have been there for thirty-eight years and I am part of that community.
I live in that community, and I will be
there for many years to come as part of that community.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
I
did not fly in and make a political appearance and then fly out again.
I did not do that, and I knew what I was walking in to.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MCGRATH:
I
knew what I was walking in to, but I let the people of Labrador West know, I
have been there with you for thirty-eight years and I plan on being there for a
long time – not what the Leader of the Opposition did, nor what the unelected
Leader of the Third Party did.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KIRBY:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for St. John's North, on a point of
order.
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am wondering where the Premier and the Minister of
Labrador Affairs was when they were having the rally in Labrador West.
Maybe the member for that area could tell us where the Premier and the
Minister of Labrador Affairs were.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Labrador West.
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I have no problem answering the member's question
across the way. The Premier and the
Minister of Labrador and Aboriginal Affairs were doing their job representing
the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
On this side, when you are elected to represent the people in a district,
as being part of a team on this side, we do exactly that.
As the Member for Labrador West, I was there representing the government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
That answers his question. Anyway, I
just lost three-and-a-half minutes making that point clear.
I now want to talk about the Estimates Committee.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MCGRATH:
It
was a pleasure to sit on the Estimates Committee.
I sat on the Resource Committee, which had six different departments that
we listened to on the Estimates. It
is very interesting to be able to sit on that Committee –
MR.
KIRBY:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for St. John's North, on a point of
order.
MR.
KIRBY:
Mr.
Speaker, is the member saying that the Leader of the Official Opposition should
not have accepted the union's invitation to fly up there and participate and
support them in their rally?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask members for their co-operation.
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Labrador West.
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
That does not even qualify an answer, I will have him
know. The political staging is
unbelievable.
MR.
KIRBY:
(Inaudible).
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Mr.
Speaker, this Committee that we sat on for the Estimates Committee, as I was
saying, we listened to the Estimates for six different departments.
It is really, really interesting because it gives the Opposition parties
an opportunity to question the minister, as well as the minister's staff, an
opportunity to go line for line.
Sitting there on the Committee, I think it is an education in itself, because
you learn so much about the different departments.
I think it is a great process.
I was also very interesting to see the line of
questioning. Some members will
actually come in and they will go line for line.
I was a bit blown away when one member came in and asked questions on
policy during the whole three-hour period.
In the last ten minutes, then that member argued because the minister
said: Well, your time is up. We have
been here for three hours. I am more
than willing to meet with you. Send
me the questions you have on the line by line, but you just spent three hours
asking questions on policy. The
member argued that you are not giving us the time.
It was really interesting to see the different formats of the way
questions were asked during the Estimates Committee.
I just want to go down through and touch briefly on
some of the different departments that the Resource Committee touched on and the
questions that were asked there. The
first one is Advanced Education and Skills.
We went down through the Advanced Education and Skills.
I thought a lot of people, especial those listening on the TV, they
sometimes are wondering: What does each departure exactly do?
Advanced Education and Skills is, of course, the
department that handles all post-secondary education.
One of their mandates is to make sure that this Province and government
supports highly educated graduates.
We want to make sure that we have the very best coming out through the
post-secondary education system, and that government is supporting that.
I know in my district certainly skilled workers is a very, very important
part of the education system.
I look at just this past couple of months, it has been
very important – one of the most challenging pieces I think that I have had is
the placement of skilled workers from within my district to other parts of the
Province, mainly two of the main parts, of course, being Muskrat Falls in the
Muskrat Falls Project, and the Long Harbour project, where there is a high
demand for skilled workers. With the
downturn in the economy in Labrador West right now, these are two very important
parts within the Province that there is a high demand for skilled workers, and
that certainly affects my district.
So the Department of Advanced Education and Skills part
of their mandate is to make sure that we are putting and supporting these
skilled workers into the system.
Although – and you will hear people talk about the economy in Newfoundland and
Labrador right now, we are compared quite often to the economy in Alberta.
Last week we heard there are 18,000-plus people going to be laid off in
Alberta.
I was talking to some of my constituents – that is
actually over double the amount of the population in my district, but the
economy is still growing, and diversifying the economy is something that we need
to do. I know in my district, for
example, just this morning there was a tender awarded concerning the tailings on
the Wabush Mines tailings. To hear
that is very good news, because that diversifies the unemployment situation
right now in Labrador West, and it is going to create jobs for people in
Labrador West. To see it go to a
local company, of course – that award went to a local company, and that local
company has said that they will give first opportunity to the laid off workers
or the dependants of laid off workers from Wabush Mines.
So it is really good to see that those things are happening, and that
communication and co-operation is there.
Through Advanced Education and Skills, when Wabush
Mines first closed down, the former minister, the Member for Gander, was on the
ground with four other ministers immediately to make sure that we met with the
union, we met with the workers, we met with the company, we met with the
municipal leaders there to see what are the next steps, what can we do now to
get the community through this transition – and that is still in the works.
For example, just last week, there were officials from
Advanced Education and Skills in on the ground meeting with local organizations.
They met with CAP. They met
with the different organizations that are there, the task force that deals
directly with the economy in Labrador.
Advanced Education and Skills were in there again.
Advanced Education and Skills are in meeting with the college right now
to see how we can make the changes in the college system to better adhere to
what is needed within the region.
I heard, during Question Period today, that was
mentioned, and I know that in my district the changes that are being made within
the College of the North Atlantic, for example, are being made for the
betterment of the communities and the economy that is around that.
Advanced Education and Skills deals with the student
financial assistance. They deal with
apprenticeship programs. Also,
within that department, they deal with Income Support.
That is something, dealing with the Income Support, it gets people over
hurdles. It gets them through some
of the transitions that they have to deal with.
When you think about it, through Advanced Education and Skills if you
have people who are on Income Support – and there is one individual in my
district again that we worked with.
She was on Income Support and we worked with her, through Advanced Education and
Skills, so that today she is working full time.
She recently purchased a home and is raising two children on her own, but
doing it very successfully. A lot of
that credit goes to the Advanced Education and Skills department with the work
that they did with that one individual that I mentioned.
One of the other departments that we looked at is
Business, Tourism, Culture and Rural Development.
This one, I guess because of my background in tourism and certainly as a
small businessperson – this department, their mandate is to improve the
economic, tourism, culture and innovation agenda within the Province.
They want to strengthen and diversify the economy, and I think they do
that well.
I heard the Member for Humber East talk today in
Question Period about it was over 100 accommodators within the Province that are
unlicensed. I know because I worked
with that particular member in the tourism industry.
He is very much aware of how Canada Select works.
I just want to point it out that Canada Select is the one that actually
monitors and licenses the accommodations within the Province.
They decide if they are going to be licensed or not.
MR.
FLYNN:
(Inaudible).
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
If the member wants to be recognized, he has to stand
in his own seat.
MR.
FLYNN:
I
apologize, Mr. Speaker (inaudible).
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Humber East is standing on a
point of order.
MR.
FLYNN:
I
would like to correct the Member for Lab West.
The Canada Select grades them; the Province is responsible for licensing
them. They just send the information
in.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Labrador West.
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I will agree to disagree with the member because if the
grading – because I will clarify what he is saying.
When Canada Select does not pass a grade, there is no licence.
So it depends upon the grading that Canada Select actually makes whether
a licence is there or not. If Canada
Select does not give a passing grade, there is no licence.
That is the way that is.
That has always been an issue.
It is pushing that tourism industry that we worked – and I have to say
that the Member for Humber East, I am not quite sure if he was the President of
the tourism association at the time, but he certainly sat as an executive member
when those decisions were made. I
cannot quite remember whether he was the president at the time or not, but he
certainly was an executive member sitting when those decisions were made.
This government felt that that arm's-length Canada Select group was the
best way to go.
It shows that we are moving forward.
I guess my point there is the inclusivity that we are using.
This government includes people.
I hear so often that we do not consult, but we do consult and we do
include. I think it is really
important that we do that.
I also heard the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde
speak about CFIB. He talked about
small businesses and referred to how he was a former small businessman.
Again, I just want to clarify a point because I am also a former small
business man. When things are
booming and everything is going well, you tend to have less small businesses
trying to improve. I see it in my
district right now where the larger industry – and Labrador West is known as a
one-industry town. When the larger
industry is going really well, the spinoff to the smaller businesses flows
easier, but it is when the crunch gets hard that the small businesses also find
it very difficult. I see it in my
district right now.
As an example, a lot of the small businesses such as
the hoteliers, the restaurateurs, the corner stores, are now looking for ways
they can diversify to pick up the business they are losing.
That is when the red tape becomes a little heavier.
I felt he gave the impression that, well, government was moving forward
and the red tape had decreased. Then
all of a sudden government sat back and just let it go to the wayside.
I would argue that it is not that government is sitting
back and letting the red tape issues go to the wayside, it is because when you
have a downturn in the larger economy, then the smaller industries are working
that much harder to try and diversify because their businesses are affected
also. Therefore, there is more red
tape added to it. There are, I
guess, two ways of looking at how that works.
I am a strong, strong advocate for tourism in the
Province. As we know, right now it
is a billion dollar industry within our Province.
I feel that the tourism industry is alive and well.
I agree with the Member for Humber East, I would love
to see that every accommodator in the Province had to be licensed.
That is not something government turns a blind eye on.
That problem has always been there.
We will continue to monitor it as much as we can and, hopefully,
eliminate those accommodators who are not registered or licensed.
That will be an ongoing issue, and I do not think I would get an argument
from the other side.
Natural Resources was another department we had within
our Estimates Committee. Again, it
was very, very interesting. I
certainly compliment the minister on the way he answered the questions.
I guess because my district is affected heavily by the Department of
Natural Resources, it was very interesting to sit down and listen.
There were some very good questions, both on line items as well as policy
asked within the Natural Resources Estimates.
I thought the minister went above and beyond answering and explaining the
rationale of quite a bit of the items that were brought forward there.
It was an eye opener for all of us.
Fisheries and Aquaculture was another one.
For me that was an education because, of course, within my district,
fisheries and aquaculture is not something that I would deal with.
Also, I guess growing up in St. John's I did not deal with fisheries and
aquaculture. So there was a lot to
learn there. It was great to be able
to sit in and listen to what was happening within that department.
I spoke about Advanced Education and Skills.
The Environment and Conservation one – I realize I am running out of
time. I guess one of the best
examples I can give when we talk about diversity and we talk about departments
that are trying to find new ways, I am very proud to say that within my
district, which is certainly rural – I guess it is put down as a rural-urban
district – we just got passed by the Department of Environment for a
slaughterhouse, to move forward with a slaughterhouse in Labrador West.
I think that is excellent, because that is going to create, when it comes
through, probably going to create fifty or sixty jobs.
A brand new economy in a district right now, that every job counts. That
is an example of what happens in environment.
There are certainly decisions being made.
Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, I am out of time.
Hopefully will get a chance to speak again.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The motion is that the report of the Resource Committee
be concurred in.
Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On motion, Report of the Resource Estimates Committee,
carried.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
With agreement of all parties, we will take a short
recess for supper and return at around 7:00 p.m.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Leave to return at 7:00 p.m.
The House is in recess until 7:00.
Do you want to say 7:10?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
is 7:10.
The House is in recess until 7:10 p.m.
June 2,
2015
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLVII No. 24A
The House resumed at 7:00 p.m.
MR.
SPEAKER (Verge):
Order, please!
The hon. the Government House Leader.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I would like to call from the Order Paper,
Order 3, section (b), the Concurrence Motion on the Social Services Committee.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
motion is that the report of the Social Services Committee be concurred in.
The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
LITTLEJOHN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a pleasure once again to stand and present the
concurrence for the Social Services Committee.
Just for the people who are watching, we are doing Estimates.
Estimates basically are done in individual meetings in three different
sectors. Tonight we are presenting
the Estimates and the report from the Social Services Committee.
Mr. Speaker, the Social Services Committee is the
largest Committee in government in terms of the number of departments and
agencies that we represent. We heard
Estimates for Child, Youth and Family Services; Education and Early Childhood
Development; Health and Community Services; Justice and Public Safety; Seniors,
Wellness and Social Development; Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs; the
Labour Relations Agency; and the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation.
Mr. Speaker, basically, to give the people at home some
idea what happens, there is a big blue book and each government department has
their budget for the year in the big blue book.
We go line by line. There is
a lot of interesting discussion that takes place in Estimates.
It is the opportunity for the Opposition members in particular to speak
directly and ask questions of the minister, not only on line by line items by
sometimes as well we get down to policy questions and all the rest.
Sometimes it is a very frank and open discussion.
I must say, I have chaired the Social Services
Committee now – I think this is my fourth year –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
LITTLEJOHN:
I
must say that some of the discussion was the most open and frank discussion that
I have experienced in the four years that I have been chairing the Social
Services Committee.
Mr. Speaker, the social sector is also the largest
piece of our Budget. Those various
agencies and departments that I spoke of earlier take up some 56 per cent – 56
per cent of the overall Budget of the Province is taken up in the Social
Services Committee. A major portion
of that is taken up in just two departments.
The Department of Health takes up approximately 36 per cent of the
overall Budget of the Province, and the Department of Education and Early
Childhood Development takes up just over 11 per cent.
The two of them combined, Mr. Speaker, make up 40 per
cent of the provincial Budget. That
figure, in the four years that I have been here in this House, is fairly
consistent. Health and Education
take up close to 45 per cent to 50 per cent of the overall Budget of this
Province.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the various members
on our Committee: the hon. Member for Baie Verte – Springdale; the hon. Member
for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair; the hon. Member for Bonavista South; the hon.
Member for Port au Port; the hon. Member for Humber East; and the hon. Member
for St. John's Centre. As well, Mr.
Speaker, I would be remiss if I did not thank my colleague, the hon. the Member
for Bonavista North. There were a
couple of sessions that I needed to step out of and he subbed in for me, and I
want to thank him publicly this evening.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
LITTLEJOHN:
Mr.
Speaker, my colleague, my friend over there in Trinity – Bay de Verde wants me
to mention him. We have some family
connections, so I will.
As well, one of the things that I saw this year for the
first time – I do not think in the four years that I have been here I actually
saw this occur before. This year,
for the first time, I saw multiple ministers of this government commit to
passing over their Budget notes, unedited, uncensored, as they would say.
The Budget notes that came – I know multiple ministers were more than
willing to give their Estimates.
Whether or not the Member for The Straits – White Bay North believes that is
open engagement and accountability and all the rest, I have never seen it before
I would say to the hon. member.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North,
on a point of order.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
What is not open and what is not accountable is the fact that the Office of
Public Engagement did not have their Estimates as scheduled under the Social
Services Committee.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.
MR.
LITTLEJOHN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
As I was saying, Mr. Speaker, it is the first time in
the four years that I have been chairing this Committee that I have seen
multiple ministers turn over their Estimate books and their briefing books to
Opposition quite freely and quite willingly, and some actually after Estimates
ended. The co-operation and the
willingness of ministers to respond to the questions of the Opposition during
Estimates this year was very different.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Very noble.
MR.
LITTLEJOHN:
It
was very noble. Yes, noble is the
word.
Mr. Speaker, as well, I have to say that the social
sector of government is where a lot of individual personal issues come out.
You can call them heartfelt issues because there are many individual
issues that are in health, that are in Newfoundland and Labrador Housing, that
are in education, and that are in Child, Youth and Family Services, issues that
get to the core and get to our heart.
Tough decisions are hard to do.
Mr. Speaker, one of the things that I have to say is
that on both sides of this House, there is a willingness to address those
heartfelt issues. There are some
difficult issues. I know the Acting
Minister of Education stood here this afternoon and spoke very passionately
about the issues and challenges that are out there.
Are we going to solve all those issues?
No, because today we solve all the issues, tomorrow there will be new
issues. That can be said for each
individual department that we had in social services this year.
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing – and I know the
Member for St. John's Centre, one of her passions, for the four years that she
has been here, is affordable housing for citizens all across this Province, and
she has been a great advocate. She
has been a great advocate, and I tip my hat to her for being a great advocate.
Mr. Speaker, we all know there are challenges in
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing, but I think all members would agree that we
are getting through some of those challenges.
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing have invested to assist many of these
individuals as we have gone forward.
Mr. Speaker, we talked about the REEP, the $5,000 grant
that allows seniors and people who are a little older to stay in their homes, be
able to stay in their homes and be independent longer.
I saw directly in my district the benefit that those grants have
provided. Those grants are essential
to allow older residents of our Province to live independently longer.
They do some great things.
They fix roofs, they fix ceilings, they insulate homes, and they put in new
heaters. In some cases, maybe a
ramp, through a home modification program for those with disabilities.
Mr. Speaker, it is very valuable.
Our home modification program allows individuals with disabilities to
modify their home so they can stay in their home.
A lot of that is access: access to their home in general, access to their
washrooms, access to their bedrooms.
A lot of good things happen through the home modification program.
Education, there was a very healthy debate in
education. One of the highlights of
the education budget is the implementation of full-day kindergarten.
Are there going to be challenges in that area?
Yes, there are going to be challenges in that area.
When we are implementing full-day kindergarten, there are going to be
challenges. Some of our facilities
are going to have to have modifications.
There was discussion at great length, I would say to the House, on
full-day kindergarten and some of the modifications that have to be made.
As well, Mr. Speaker, staffing was another issue, but
in the Budget this year government has committed 142.5 positions for full-day
kindergarten when it comes into effect in 2016.
Once again, education was varied and there was an intense debate.
If anybody was watching earlier this afternoon, the Acting Minister of
Education talked about inclusion and all those things.
I am not going to repeat that tonight because the acting minister did a
wonderful job.
Then, Mr. Speaker, we went to Health and Community
Services. Health and Community
Services, as I said earlier, 35.8 percent of our Budget is taken up in Health
and Community Services. Mr. Speaker,
it was probably the most open discussion I have had in Estimates in four years
between Opposition members and the minister.
Again, long-term care was certainly a factor, Mr.
Speaker, and government's proposal to go into a private-public partnership to
develop 360 long-term care beds. I
know the hon. Member for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi has had some concerns over
that and she expressed those concerns in Estimates.
I thought the Minister of Health and Community Services responded in a
very positive way.
Mr. Speaker, we have issues.
We need to free up more acute care beds and we have a plan.
We are going to put 360 beds in long-term care through a public-private
partnership. That does not mean
health care will decline. In actual
fact, we have regulations and rules, and the health care standards will be the
same as if they were in a publicly-funded facility.
The minister has said that many times in this House, that the standards
and regulations that are required now would be the same in this public-private
partnership.
We also talked about mental health, and the concern for
mental health. There are many issues
in and around mental health in this Province, and we know we have challenges.
Once again, they are challenges we all must face on a day-to-day basis.
There are a lot of people out there, and mental health has been another
issue that all sides, I say, Mr. Speaker, are very concerned about.
Once again, in our discussions there was a clear direction and a
willingness on behalf of the minister to work with Opposition members to improve
mental health for all people in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Mr. Speaker, wait times is another area.
Yes, we have areas where our wait times are very good, but every day
members opposite get up and say but what about this?
What about this area, or what about that area?
That is fair; Mr. Speaker, but you cannot do it all at once.
I say to all hon. members, we cannot do it all at once.
Again, we are working our way through it.
Emergency room wait times was a very – I do not know if
I should say a hot topic, but it was discussed.
Mr. Speaker, there is a plan in place to improve emergency room wait
times.
In the area of Child, Youth and Family Services, a
very, very serious department with a lot of passionate individuals, social
workers, nurses, all of these people.
These social workers work in a difficult environment every day, but they
have such passion. There are many
challenges, Mr. Speaker. We have
many challenges.
Only today in Question Period we were talking about the
age, nineteen to twenty-one, and getting out of custody.
Mr. Speaker, these are challenges we have been facing and we have been
working through. I would suggest to
all members opposite, that since the incorporation of Child, Youth and Family
Services things have gotten a little bit better.
Do we have a ways to go?
I look at the hon. Member for Torngat Mountains and I
know there are special challenges in Labrador.
I know the member has been advocating with the minister for things.
I know we have been doing work in Labrador, partnering with our
Aboriginal peoples and all the rest to improve Child, Youth and Family Services
in that part of our Province. I
commend all parties for working together and the Minister of Labrador and
Aboriginal Affairs as well.
Mr. Speaker, as well, then we move on to Seniors,
Wellness and Social Development.
This is an area where I have a little bit of experience.
This is my old background. I
come from the recreation and sport field and the area of seniors.
I know the minister sitting here in front of me tonight, we had a great
discussion around our seniors and the care and the needs of seniors, and some of
the things that we implemented in this Budget to assist our seniors.
I know there are challenges out there.
The Opposition has pointed them out every day, Mr. Speaker, about the
challenges that seniors face. They
are on fixed incomes. I faced it as
a mayor of a municipality. One of
the discussions we always had in council was the fact that 40 per cent of our
people were on fixed incomes.
Raising mil rates and raising taxes was very, very difficult because they have a
limited budget and limited amounts of money.
Mr. Speaker, we have worked with our seniors and we
have developed programs to assist our seniors and get them through some of these
things. I know the Opposition has
talked about the 2 per cent HST increase and that is a challenge.
Yes, but we also increased our income tax levels to offset some of that.
Does it offset all of it? No,
but it offsets most I would say to you.
Then we get into Municipal and Intergovernmental
Affairs – and I know my time is winding down here this evening, but I want to
try to get through each individual department.
We get into Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs.
Mr. Speaker, being a former municipal leader, being involved for over
fourteen years on that level and being involved in my own communities for
probably twenty years before that, there are challenges for all our municipal
governments.
Mr. Speaker, the new agreement with Municipalities
Newfoundland and Labrador to share a gas tax and share a sales tax is going to
make it a little bit easier. It is
going to take time. It is not the
end of the road. It is a work in
progress. This will never end.
We are always going to have to keep improving.
I hear the hon. Member for Bay of Islands talking:
Well, it is a beginning. Yes, it is
a beginning. It is not the beginning
and end. It is a beginning.
It is a starting point, and we have done a pretty good job in Municipal
and Intergovernmental Affairs of working with our municipalities.
Mr. Speaker, do our municipalities stills need
infrastructure support? Yes, they
do. We have boil-order advisories
and we need to get rid of those boil-order advisories.
We need to work with our municipalities.
Mr. Speaker, our 90-10, 80-20, 70-30 cost-sharing arrangements have made
it a lot easier for all municipalities in this Province to access capital works
programs to improve their municipal infrastructure.
Communities in my district, whether they are the local service districts
in Makinsons or the community of Spaniard's Bay or the Town of Bay Roberts, they
have all benefited from infrastructure in the area.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
LITTLEJOHN:
Mr.
Speaker, there are challenges. There
are challenges in every department, but the conversation was open and frank and
there were good questions asked.
There was some digging down as well, I would say to hon. members.
As we move along, I want to talk just a little bit
about Justice and Public Safety.
Yes, there are still challenges.
There are challenges in our Justice and Public Safety system, but we are working
our way through those as well and working towards solutions.
There were discussions around the penitentiary.
We know we have one of the oldest penitentiaries, probably not only in
Canada, but in North America, I would attest.
Yes, it needs to be replaced and we are working our way towards that.
There has been a lot of discussion in the last four
years over the domestic violence court, and we have reinstituted the domestic
violence court. It is going to be
Province wide. That is the plan.
I know there is money also allocated to do a study in Labrador and see
how we can make it work in Labrador as well.
Those issues were discussed in Justice and Public Safety and they got
good attention, I would say to you.
Mr. Speaker, as we go forward, we know we have huge
responsibilities. We have talked
about a lot of these responsibilities tonight.
I have just touched on some of the highlights through all the various
departments and the Estimates I have had.
As I said earlier tonight, there is much to be done.
The job will never be finished.
Whether it is our government or some other government, there will always
be work to do, there will always be challenges to face, but we have to take them
head-on. Sometimes we are going to
face those challenges in good economic times, and sometimes we are going to face
them in challenging economic times.
Whatever the time is, we have to face those challenges.
Mr. Speaker, in the final few seconds that I have, that
takes partnerships as well. That
takes partnerships and working with committees, working with community groups
and working with our Aboriginal people – all these people have a vital role –
and working with our youth. We had a
great conversation here today about the Premier's Youth Advisory Committee.
There is lots of work to be done, the challenges never end, but we are
working towards it and there were some great conversations in the Social
Services Committee.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's North.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a privilege for me to stand again here in my
place and have a few more words to say about Budget 2015, which is misguided in
so many ways, as I have said already.
It is deeply saddening to see that government that raised the hopes of
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, raised their hopes so high, has fallen so far
down on the job of providing for the needs of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
Mr. Speaker, there are many seniors who live in the
District of St. John's North, many senior citizens who live in my district and I
am sure lots of seniors who live in the districts of my colleagues –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
KIRBY:
Yes, I know that particular senior, Mr. Speaker.
He retired.
The seniors who live in my district, many of them
worked in the public service, they worked in health care, they worked in
transportation, they worked in education, and they worked in a variety of
different public service roles over the years.
Many of them came in from Placentia Bay, Bonavista Bay, Trinity Bay, and
around the Island years ago to help build this city and to help build this
Province.
I am sure there are lots of them watching TV tonight,
watching the broadcast from the House of Assembly in Kelly's Brook Apartments,
or Wigmore Manor, or other areas of the District of St. John's North, and of
course your own districts across the way.
Unlike previous generations of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, this
government is now asking our senior citizens to shoulder more of the burden than
past generations. Whereas, past
generations of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have had much more support from
either their own cohorts or others who are working and so on.
Now this government is asking seniors in Newfoundland
and Labrador to shoulder more of the responsibility for themselves than we have
ever seen before. We may have seen
it before, but that would have been the dark years before we joined
Confederation with Canada, I say, Mr. Speaker.
We have not seen anything like this since pre-Confederation years.
The extent to which we are expecting senior citizens in Newfoundland and
Labrador to pay their own freight without assistance from others in the
workforce and those who have the levers of power across the way, it is
absolutely unbelievable.
There was just recently a study from the OECD, an
international institution – you cannot make this stuff up; they did not make it
up – that more and more of our seniors are living in poverty than ever before.
Ever before they recorded and compared statistics across countries and
nations in the OECD, more of our seniors are living in poverty.
The people who built Newfoundland and Labrador, the
people who taught our kids, the people who built our roads, who put up the light
poles, who strung the power lines across this Island and up through Labrador,
the people who cared for our kids, who cared for our sick, who borne our
children, those are the people who are now having to bear the burden of this
government's mistakes, missteps, and missed opportunities, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KIRBY:
It
is absolutely sad. Those people who
are more responsible for our prosperity today than anyone over there, than
anyone in this House of Assembly, those people who are responsible for any
prosperity that we have enjoyed in my lifetime, those are the people that we are
now expecting to shoulder the burden of this government's missteps, mistakes,
and misspending over its course of government.
Now government wants more from them, Mr. Speaker.
This government wants more from our senior citizens.
In the last election, do you know what this government wanted?
Do you know what this crowd over here wanted?
Do you know what the PC Party of Newfoundland and Labrador wanted?
AN
HON. MEMBER:
What did they want?
MR.
KIRBY:
They wanted their vote. That is what
this crowd wanted. They wanted their
vote and it was promises, promises, Mr. Speaker.
I wish I could show this up but I know I am not allowed to use props.
I will read from this as little as I possibly can, but the previous – I
will table it like the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune did earlier this
evening.
This is a story from the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation, the CBC. I did not make
this up. You cannot make this stuff
up. This stuff writes itself.
You crowd wrote this yourself, because it was in your platform.
This is what the Progressive Conservative – I will not say her name, the
former Premier promised on your behalf.
Many of you were on the bus with her going around the Province, visiting
senior citizens homes, promising this, that, and something else.
She said, nearly $100 million of new money – $100
million. No, people cannot fathom a
larger number than that as far as I am concerned, except what they have
squandered, wasted, and spent over the last number of years that they have been
in power. She “… promised nearly
$100 million in new money for a seniors' strategy while campaigning during the
Newfoundland and Labrador election Tuesday.”
This is October 4, 2011.
Mr. Speaker, the election day was on October 11.
So, this is in the dying days.
They were looking at the polls.
They were like, oh, things are not going to work out quite as well as it
did before under Danny Williams, so we are going to trot out this $100 million
seniors' strategy.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
KIRBY:
I
will get to the details now in a second, I say to the members over there.
I will get to the details.
They saw that things were not going their way.
They were going to lose a few seats.
We will have to trot something out, so they did.
They said, “Our goal is that individuals and families who need long-term
care and community support services have the ability to access quality services
that meet their needs in the best way possible” – on and on and on and on.
Over the next four years, new funding totalling – you
would have to have a leap of faith based on the last four years we have been
here, I tell you, to support this.
“… new funding totalling nearly $100 million will be used for the implementation
of our Close to Home strategy with measures that promote health and wellness …”
on and on. All sorts of stuff
promised in here.
Here is a good one, “… the PCs are promising to
commission a Collective Memory Project in which seniors are invited to record
and archive the stories of their youth.”
This will all be shared in the archives of Memorial University.
In addition to taking care of all of seniors' problems and issues and
short-term care and long-term care et cetera, they were going to have this
collective memory.
Do you know, Mr. Speaker, the only time that was ever
put into print is when it was put in their platform, this story, because we have
not heard one iota about this since.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KIRBY:
Not
a thing. Not one word about this
since.
This was sort of like putting the dressing and gravy on
the foolishness that they were getting on with during the last campaign.
In fear of losing two handfuls of seats, they decided to try and bribe
senior citizens in this Province into voting for them yet again, on false
promises that were never ever, ever fulfilled.
I say that is very sad, Mr. Speaker, to try and bribe the people who
built this Province and ensured that we had some semblance of prosperity in my
lifetime, they bribed them into voting for them in the dying days of the
campaign and they have not lived up to their promises since.
What did they do?
What did they actually do?
Because they must have done something considering they promised a $100 million
strategy for seniors – $100 million.
They promised a $100 million strategy.
What did they do? Well, $100
million. You have about a $500
million, I would say.
The Family Caregivers Program, do you remember that?
Do you remember the Family Caregivers?
We all know it makes more sense for seniors to continue to live in their
own homes rather than being in health care facilities, in emergency, in beds in
hospitals when they actually need a completely different form of care.
It makes absolutely no sense to them.
It makes absolutely no sense to government.
It makes absolutely no sense to our economy to waste money on putting
people where they should not be, and they are not getting the appropriate sort
of care.
We know that a lot of seniors would rather be in their
own homes. They would rather be
there rather than being in a hospital or long-term care, or personal care or
what have you. We know that.
This crowd over here, the Progressive Conservative
government promised them they were bringing in this family care.
It started to turn people back towards them.
People were saying during the election campaign, they were saying that is
a good idea. Are you crowd going to
do the same thing? And it was a good
idea. This was a good idea.
What did they do with it?
Well, first of all, Mr. Speaker, after they were elected they did nothing
with it. They did not do one thing
with it at all. It sat there, and
the Opposition parties questioned and questioned and questioned and asked, where
is this family caregiver strategy they had promised as part of the $100 million
promise that they made to seniors during the campaign?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
KIRBY:
Look, I know members are yelling over there because they do not like to hear it.
I know you do not like to hear it, but it is the truth.
If I am not telling it like it is, Mr. Speaker, I encourage the Member
for Terra Nova to stand up and tell me what is wrong with what I am saying.
Do you know what they did, Mr. Speaker?
They brought in a pilot project for this.
I am sure it is under study over there somewhere.
When we get to the next election, like I told you the last time I stood
up, they will take the Blue Book – this is green, but imagine it is blue.
They will take the Blue Book and they will put a new cover on it and they
will say here, vote for us. It is
the same platform as last time, but vote for us anyways because we will do it
this time, trust us – trust us.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KIRBY:
Then there is the whole issue of pensioners.
Right now, even Stephen Harper has woken up out of his long slumber on
the Canada Pension Plan and is even talking about needed changes to the Canada
Pension Plan. It was Kathleen Wynne,
the Liberal Premier of Ontario who took leadership on this issue and made
promises during – and she is actually following through.
Not like this crowd with their $100 million strategy they basically spent
nothing of, or very little. I would
say less than 10 per cent. They took
leadership on it.
Even Stephen Harper, in his sort of – even as nasty and
as mean as he is, he is even thinking now about handing a few shekels over to
seniors and helping them out with their monthly costs.
We hear from pensioners all the time about claw backs.
They worked hard all their lives for their pensions and all of a sudden
they are getting it taken back from them by government.
We hear that all the time.
Recently, this government came out and said, oh, wait a
minute now. We overpaid seniors'
pensions over – I do not know – years and years and years, tens of thousands of
dollars in some cases, and now they are going to claw that back from these
seniors. Seniors are just basically
scraping along.
This government cannot even collect speeding tickets
and parking tickets. There are
people out there who have racked up $10,000, $20,000, and $30,000 worth of
traffic violations. The government
cannot even come to an agreement with the federal government to garnish their
wages, or their taxes, or their GST, nothing like that, but they will certainly
go out to seniors and take the money back from them.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
KIRBY:
Absolutely, no question whatsoever.
They will take that money back from seniors –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
S. COLLINS:
A
point of order.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family
Services on a point of order.
MR.
S. COLLINS:
Mr.
Speaker, I find it ironic the member who works two full-time jobs and pays into
two pensions – public service – that he would be up talking about seniors
pensions. The irony is –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR.
KIRBY:
Maybe the Premier will let the minister stand up tomorrow and ask some of the
questions he is asking, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KIRBY:
Then on top of all of this mess – so there is no leadership on this side when it
comes to reforming the Canada Pension Plan, no leadership whatsoever.
Even Stephen Harper is taking leadership on this, and they are mute.
The best we can come up with is what he just said.
Good luck to seniors in this Province if that is all we have to depend on
is cheap shots from that member over there –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I would ask members to quieten down a little bit.
I ask you for your co-operation, please.
The hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We are used to the ministerial behaviour of the
Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services.
He has had to apologize here in the House of Assembly for accusing the
Member for Bay of Islands of taking bribes.
He has talked about how the former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was
giving out bribes in paper bags. He
recently called members here bigots.
We are waiting (inaudible) –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I would ask the member to refrain from debate that is
provocative.
The hon. the Member for St. John's North, to continue.
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Then we come to the whole issue of housing.
We hear from seniors all the time on this.
There are very few subsidies available to help seniors pay for housing
when it comes to Newfoundland and Labrador Housing.
They are not increasing that.
They are not providing any assistance.
They think somehow that the cost of living in St. John's is the same as
it is out in rural Newfoundland; it is not.
They will not allow people to transfer housing subsidies from one unit to
another. There are not enough
accessible housing units for seniors for rentals, and a lot of them are renting
and they are not living in their own homes.
A lot of people are moving out.
There are all sorts of horror stories and we hear from
it all of the time. There is no
question about that. In terms of
long-term care, government recently built a long-term care facility here in St.
John's. They knew for years that
they were building it because they were building it.
They cannot adequately staff that place because they are incompetent over
there –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
KIRBY: –
like the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services is incompetent.
He has demonstrating it here once again.
The Corner Brook hospital, they said that they were going to –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Further speakers?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Further speakers?
The hon. the Member for Port au Port.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CORNECT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, it is an honour and a privilege to get up
this evening to speak and make some comments with respect to the Concurrence
Motion on the Estimates of the Social Services Committee.
The previous speaker, the Member for St. John's North –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
CORNECT:
It
was pretty hilarious, Mr. Speaker, to hear the comments from the hon. member and
how –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
KIRBY:
(Inaudible).
MR.
SPEAKER:
I
ask for the co-operation of the Member for St. John's North.
I will warn you for the last time.
The hon. the Member for Port au Port.
MR.
CORNECT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I just want to take some time this evening to make some
comments with respect to the Concurrence Motion on the Estimates of the Social
Services Committee. The Social
Services Committee reviewed the Estimates of the Departments of Child, Youth and
Family Services; Education and Early Childhood Development; Health and Community
Services; Justice and Public Safety; Labour Relations; Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs; Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation; and,
Seniors, Wellness and Social Development.
Mr. Speaker, when we look at
Budget 2015: Balancing Choices for a Promising Future and we look at
the expenditures of government for the people of the Province, 55.8 per cent of
total expenditure in this sector, the social sector, in the departments that I
previously mentioned –
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
A
point of order.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
CORNECT:
–
which were reviewed during the Estimates Committee time –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North,
on a point of order.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, the member opposite listed off all the committees, but for the
record he did not name the Office of Public Engagement.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The Speaker is having trouble hearing the point of
order.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North,
on a point of order.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Sure. The member opposite listed all
of the Committees that were listed in the Estimates, but the Office of Public
Engagement was not listed. So I just
want that clear for the record that was not debated in the House.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Port au Port.
MR.
CORNECT:
Mr.
Speaker, just to clear the record, the Office of Public Engagement was to be
debated, the Estimates to be reviewed at the time we reviewed Health and
Community Services. If the hon.
member showed up on time with his Committee members, we would have debated the
Office of Public Engagement.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
A
point of order.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Again, I ask all members for their co-operation.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North,
on a point of order.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, the member opposite is making a statement about my attendance
and I had shown up at the Committee meeting, and I ask for him to withdraw this
remark.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Port au Port.
MR.
CORNECT:
Mr.
Speaker, I will not withdraw; I will not make apologies as to why he was late
either.
Mr. Speaker, to further stress the expenditures, the
total Budget for 2015-2016 is $8,262,952,000 and of that, the social sector will
spend $4,608,764,000. This money is
directly invested into the programs of these departments that offer and provide
the social safety nets that are being asked by the people of this Province.
Mr. Speaker, the Estimates Committee work was more than
just debating and reviewing the numbers for each department.
Each minister and their staff were open to discussing policy and programs
of their departments, and they were asked many questions to that regard.
This process – an important process as we go through
the budgetary exercise – gives an opportunity to know the budgets of each
department and we get a great in-depth overview of the various programs and
services offered within those sectors.
Mr. Speaker, I will go through the departments briefly
that we reviewed at Estimates Committee meetings held shortly after Budget 2015
that was brought down. We had a
fifteen-day window of opportunity to review all the Estimates of every
department within government.
The Department of Child, Youth and Family Services is
responsible for the planning and development of policies, standards and
programs, as well as service delivery, to help ensure the safety and well-being
of children and youth in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The legislative framework which governs the provision of service for
children, youth and families in this Province includes: Children and Youth Care
and Protection Act; Youth Criminal Justice Act; and the Young Persons Offences
Act.
Program funding summary for the fiscal year 2015-2016
for this department – this is gross expenditure – through executive and support
services, service delivery and direct client services, total program estimates
for the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services is estimated at
$141,805,100.
Some of the things, Mr. Speaker, that the Department of
Child, Youth and Family Services are budgeting this year: $475,000 will allow
for the creation of six new front-line positions in Labrador in 2015-2016.
On a provincial level, the addition of the new positions will allow the
provincial government to meet the organizational commitment of a 1 to 20 ratio
for workers to caseload for the first time since the multi-year plan was
announced in Budget 2012.
The provincial government also continues to revitalize
the child protection system in the Province through supporting out-of-home care
options for children and youth. The
Foster a Future campaign will be maintained in 2015-2016 through an investment
of $150,000.
Mr. Speaker, our 10-Year Child Care Strategy, since
2003 our government has increased the number of regulated child care spaces by
70 per cent; 4,609 spaces in 2003 compared to 7,815 spaces as of June 2014.
As well, a progressive new piece of legislation, Adoption Act, 2013, that
focuses on the safety and well-being of children involved in the adoption
process was introduced and passed in the House during the fall of 2013.
We also reviewed the Estimates of the Department of
Education and Early Childhood Development.
The mandate of this department is that the department is responsible for
developing and administering a provincial system of education, which encourages
all students to achieve their potential development.
It administers early learning opportunities for pre-school children and
provides for regulated child care programs and supports to family resource
centres. The primary, elementary,
and secondary school system has programs that are sufficiently flexible to
support the needs and capabilities of all children.
The department is also responsible for the provision of library and
information services in the Province.
Mr. Speaker, estimated program funding for this year
through Budget 2015 for that department is allocated at $921,545,800.
This will include Information Management and Special Projects; Teaching
Services; School Board Operations; Learning Resources Distribution Centre;
School Supplies; School Services; Curriculum Development; Language Programs;
Student Support Services; Supports for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Students;
Student Testing and Evaluation; Professional Development; Centre for Distance
Learning and Innovation; Early Childhood Learning; Child Care Services; Family
Resource Programs; and the Provincial Information and Library Resources Board.
Also, new construction and alterations and renovations to existing school
facilities.
Our Committee also looked at the Department of Health
and Community Services whose department's budget was approved at $2,924,916,600.
The Department of Health and Community Services is responsible for the
overall direction of the Province's health and community services system which
provides services and programs aimed at the prevention of disease and the
restoration and maintenance of health and well-being.
These goals are supported by the various programs of
the department which include funding for the operation of hospitals, health care
centres, and long-term care facilities and the provision of medical care, public
health, and other community services.
The priorities of our government in health and
community services, as highlighted in the Budget brought down April 30, are
long-term care and community support services; mental health and addictions;
mental wellness; renewed focus on primary health care; to advance the Strategy
to Reduce Emergency Department Wait Times; the Provincial Home Support Program;
new drug therapies; health care facilities new construction, repairs and
renovations; PET scanner for the Health Sciences Centre.
This department also allocates money to the Memorial
University Faculty of Medicine, Physicians' Services, regional health
authorities, Population Health, Dental Services, and Provincial Drug Programs.
Mr. Speaker, we also looked at the Department of
Justice and Public Safety. With a
budget of $212,038,500 Justice and Public Safety provides legal service to
government and is primarily responsible for the protection of residents of the
Province in respect of their persons and property.
This objective is met by providing legal advice to all departments of
government, providing for police protection, the prosecution of accused persons,
the administration of the courts and operation of the Province's correctional
systems, services to victims of crime, protection of human rights, and Legal Aid
services.
Drafting of legislation for the House of Assembly by
the Office of the Legislative Counsel is also provided.
In addition, the department is responsible for the Fish and Wildlife
Enforcement Division, the Support Enforcement Program, the Family Justice
Services Division, Fines and Administration, and the Office of the Chief Medical
Examiner.
Fire and Emergency Services – NL is responsible for
co-ordinating overall provincial efforts in the areas of fire and emergency
services. The agency works in
partnership with other public, private, and volunteer sector organizations to
develop and maintain a fire and emergency management system in Newfoundland and
Labrador to mitigate against, prepare for, respond to, and recover from fires
and other major emergency disasters.
Some of the initiatives, Mr. Speaker, announced in
Budget 2015 is the continuation of the Foster and Future campaign, the creation
of the Premier's Advisory Council on Crime and Community Safety, proper
resourcing the provincial police forces, improved access to civil and family
justice, increased the tariff rate to private practice lawyers for the provision
of Legal Aid services, promotion of safety on our highways, new domestic
violence court with extended outreach, conferencing units to be installed or
replaced within the court system – and that is just to name a few initiatives.
Labour Relations is responsible providing programs and
services aimed at fostering a positive employment relations climate.
The Standing Fish Price Setting Panel was established to facilitate
collective bargaining in the fishing industry.
The Labour Relations Board is an independent quasi-judicial body which
mediates and adjudicates a wide range of disputes under various statutes.
Total budget for 2015-2016 is estimated to be $3,216,000.
Now, Mr. Speaker, we also review the Estimates of the
Department of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs.
The Department of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs, or MIGA, has a
budget projected at $203,319,300.
Its mandate is to support the financial stability and viability of
municipalities and the effective delivery of municipal services.
It assists municipalities in meeting infrastructure needs and provides
financial and administrative tools to support sound municipal governance.
The department is responsible for the management of
provincial Crown lands, maintaining the Crown Lands Registry, and providing maps
and air photo services. The
department leads the formulation of government's intergovernmental policies and
strategies, and monitors and co-ordinates interdepartmental initiatives to
ensure their consistent application.
Mr. Speaker, over the years the District of Port au
Port has received funding from the department for numerous projects.
Some of the projects I will highlight this evening: waterline replacement
in Mainland, about $1.2 million; upgrades to the water supply system in the
community of Piccadilly head, about $87,000; water system extension in Cape St.
George, $1.2 million; phase two of that same project, $860,000; decommissioning
of the former waste site in Kippens, $59,000; communication systems for the fire
department in Lourdes, about $25,000.
Municipal building upgrades in Lourdes, $684,000; water
system upgrades in the Town of Port au Port East, about $121,000; water supply
improvements in the Town of Port au Port West-Aguathuna-Felix Cove, $109,000;
roads upgrades in the Town of Stephenville, $461,000; upgrades to Hillview
Avenue about $600,000 – $593,000 in fact; water and sewer upgrades on Pleasant
Avenue in Stephenville, $591,000; Lourdes chlorine booster station, the Town of
Lourdes, $295,000. Mr. Speaker, improvements to rural Newfoundland and Labrador
I say.
The Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation is a
Crown corporation whose mandate is to develop and administer housing assistance
policy and programs for the benefit of low- to moderate-income households
throughout the Province. It is
estimated that the budget for the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation
for 2015-2016 is at $34,518,400.
Some of their initiatives through Budget 2015 are the continuation of the Home
Modification Program, the Residential Energy Efficiency Program, and a five year
continuation of the Affordable Housing agreement which is cost shared.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, we reviewed the budgetary
Estimates of the newly created Department of Seniors, Wellness and Social
Development. The Department of
Seniors, Wellness and Social Development's mandate is to lead a comprehensive
and dynamic approach to supporting and promoting social well-being.
This is fulfilled through a focus on policy, planning, and programs for
seniors and aging, adult protection, health promotion, wellness, recreation and
sport, and government-wide strategies to alleviate and reduce poverty, promote
equity of opportunity, and enhance the inclusion of all persons, including those
with disabilities.
Mr. Speaker, the department works horizontally in
recognition that the solutions lie beyond a single department and involve
multiple sectors and multiple departments.
The total budget for 2015-2016 in the Department of Seniors, Wellness and
Social Development is estimated to be at around $22,310,000.
Mr. Speaker, as you can see, a lot of money in the
social sector. When we look at the
total budget for 2015-2016, a budget that we are presenting to the people of the
Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, over $8 billion, something that we can be
proud of.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank you for the opportunity to
speak on the Concurrence Motion of the Estimates of the Social Services
Committee this evening. I look
forward to other debates. I am sure,
Mr. Speaker, as we saw in the Estimates, every Estimates Committee there was
unanimous support for each department.
I am sure we will get that at Budget time as well.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
DEMPSTER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am happy to stand in my place and speak to
Concurrence under the Social Services Committee.
It is hard to know, when you only have twenty minutes, what to talk
about. There are so many important
things out there, and there are a lot of sad stories that we could talk about in
the House of Assembly, there is no doubt about that.
We talked about many times here, all of the millions
and millions of dollars of wastage and it really saddens you – millions and
millions, perhaps billions, I do not know.
When you hear sad stories of families struggling, Mr. Speaker, that is
when it really saddens you.
I want to talk about the failed family caregiver
program; the family caregiver program that in my mind and in the mind of many
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians was set up to fail by this government.
First, I am going to talk about a young family, a
mother who called me. One month shy
of their son's tenth birthday he was hit by a vehicle and left a quadriplegic;
one month shy of his tenth birthday.
That was sixteen years ago. Since
that time, Mr. Speaker, that mother has fought and fought and fought for
services.
Here is what is sad: she gets seventy hours of home
care for that boy. I think in
sixteen years she has had one weekend away from him.
She gets seventy hours of home care.
Now, because she lives in a fairly rural area, she is at risk of losing
that home care. Meanwhile, the
mother had to go out to have an income for the family and go to work, and she
cares for an eighty-year-old man.
She is going down the road to care for an eighty-year-old man and two home care
workers are coming in to care for her son who is in a wheelchair.
She cannot get paid to care for her son.
She said to me many times, who is going to care for my
son like I would? There is something
wrong with the system, Mr. Speaker, when I am standing here and I am telling
stories to you like that. The reason
I am sharing it is because she said to me in recent days, I have been fighting
for twenty-one years but the fight is going out of me.
I believe when someone says that to you, as Members of the House of
Assembly, as people who are elected to serve the Province of Newfoundland and
Labrador, then it becomes our job to make sure their stories are heard.
I hope the Minister of Health is listening to this story tonight.
Mr. Speaker, we were excited when the family caregiver
program was announced. We were very
excited.
MR.
KENT:
(Inaudible).
MS
DEMPSTER:
Does the Minister of Health want to get up and share something with the House of
Assembly or does he just want to babble?
I am talking about a very important issue here.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KENT:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Health, on a point of order.
MR.
KENT:
Mr.
Speaker, I would be happy to talk to the member about any case.
She has not spoken to me. She
has not sent me a piece of correspondence on it.
She would just rather play politics in this House, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
(Inaudible) you know that I would not play politics with this, and yes, I will
speak to the minister after. I
imagine he is very familiar.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to talk about the family
caregiver program; a pilot project, $8.2 million on March 24, 2014.
We were all happy with the announcement.
Finally, at long last, two years after waiting, an $8.2 million program.
Twelve months after through an ATIPPA, my colleague from Burgeo – La
Poile did some work on this, and one year after what did we find out?
Only 10 per cent of the funds for that program had been used – only 10
per cent. Three families in Labrador
qualified. Three families, and only
twenty families on the West Coast.
It is very, very sad, Mr. Speaker.
The family caregiver program was supposed to provide
increased choice and flexibility for those in need of Income Support, families
like the ones I alluded to tonight.
That is what the family caregiver program was supposed to do; yet, only 10 per
cent of the allotted budget one year after had been allocated.
Why, Mr. Speaker? Why was
that? Why was only 10 per cent of
the budget used? I will tell you
why. Because the eligibility
requirements have been so prohibitive that rather than helpful to families, it
had been prohibitive rather than helpful to families who need it, Mr. Speaker.
Not so long ago we heard the Health Minister referring
to the so-called success of the program, but at the same time he had to admit
that while the program was intended for 250 families, only 100 families had been
helped – only 100 families. In fact,
of the $8.2 million that this government announced under the family caregiver
program, only $755,000 was spent a year after the program was launched.
These are the kind of sad things that are going on, Mr.
Speaker. These are the kind of
things that the public need to be made aware of, not when a press release goes
out and you see an $8.2 million program and it is wonderful – people who have
been struggling, family issues, some like I just alluded to, waiting for help
and they do not qualify at all because of the stringent criteria.
The Health Minister stood and he talked about there
being no wait-list. Well, I want to
tell the people who are watching tonight the fact that there is no wait-list
certainly had nothing to do with the success or the efficiency of the program.
It is important that people know that, Mr. Speaker.
It is important that they know it is because of the eligibility criteria
being just too strict that families were being eliminated – eliminated – without
even a chance to qualify.
I have situations in my district for nearly two years
since I have been elected – I am thinking of one particular family in a small
community in the Labrador Straits.
We have written letters, so the minister cannot stand and say that he is not
familiar. We have had letters back
saying no, they were not eligible.
The same thing – this young woman in the Labrador Straits can have somebody come
in and provide care for her daughter, but she cannot get paid herself.
I believe that the failed family caregiver program is
another example of a lack of management and direction, which continues to be
shown by this government. I have
only mentioned two stories because I want to move on to another topic that is
very important as well, but we waited for the program.
We waited, we got excited, yet every time I am in my district and get
calls from around the Province – the first story was not from my district; it
was actually from the district of a member on the opposite side of the House, a
member of the government. They are
reaching out to me because they feel they have not been able to get any help.
I believe that once again this is an example of a government not
listening to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador when it comes to health
care and home support concerns for their loved ones.
The family caregiver is just another example of that, Mr. Speaker.
There are many examples, Mr. Speaker, that I could give
on the family caregiver program, but I want to use a little of my time to talk
about teaching while I am speaking under the Social Services Committee.
It was not so long ago after the Budget came down – I do not know if it
was right before the Budget came down or right after, we heard about the 77.5
units that were being cut.
We do not know how many teachers that is: seventy-seven
units. I have said many times in the
House – the Member for Burin has heard me say many times that I think education
is the most important thing, the most important thing in Newfoundland and
Labrador because I believe that everywhere – when we look across the way over to
the Health Sciences, where would we be without education if our people were not
educated? I think we are going down
a very bad road when we are trying to grow our population, when we have all
these strategies that are years behind that we want to implement, if we are
going to start chopping away at our education, we are going down a wrong road.
One of the things that is happening that I am hearing
loud and clear from small schools, in my district especially, in the District of
Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair it seems that – and it was evident; it is no
surprise to us – that the 77.5 units being cut is going to have a
disproportionate impact on small schools, a disproportionate impact on small
schools, taking the heart out of rural schools.
That is what those cuts are doing.
We have many examples, Mr. Speaker, and I am just going to give a couple.
I have talked to teachers – I just travelled throughout
the district and attended seven graduations.
While I was at the different schools in the district for those seven
grads, some teachers were very sad, very discouraged.
Some were infuriated. Some
said we are going to fight to have those positions reinstated.
I said: Good for you. I think
somebody once said a quote that our lives begin to end the day we become silent
about things that matter.
Mr. Speaker, it is unacceptable what we are asking some
of these teachers in small schools to do where the education of our students is
clearly being sacrificed. It was
suggested in some of the schools that Grades 5 through 9 be put together in one
classroom. I had a teacher to say to
me it is so inappropriate. When you
think of the age gap between a Grade 5 student and a Grade 9 student, it is so
inappropriate.
It is unbelievable when you consider the age and the
maturity ranges in this group of students – the teachers felt that it was
outrageous. Not only for the
students when you think about the difference in the maturity level but to expect
a teacher to prepare for all of these different curriculums, let alone to teach
them simultaneously. It is tough on
the administration. They are doing
the best they can.
What really sadness me, I have to go back again to the
wastage. When we hear of the wastage
every single day, Bill 29, lots of examples – Muskrat Falls, I mentioned it many
times here and people said to me we were burning 23,000 litres of fuel just to
heat the place the winter and spent the winter shovelling.
When I think about if they had managed that massive project a little
better, we would not be cutting the heart out of rural schools, Mr. Speaker, in
Newfoundland and Labrador if we had not had that mismanagement.
What is happening also is we are forcing students to
complete courses through CDLI.
Inappropriately, we are forcing – I have a daughter who just finished her first
year of university. She was
self-motivated; she did well with CDLI.
CDLI is not intended for every student.
It is not intended to be abused this way.
It was a wonderful thing, Mr. Speaker, when they came up with CDLI and
high school students in rural were able to do their chemistry and their physics.
I have a child who went through that system, but it is not suitable for
every student. We are losing
students.
Mr. Speaker, we are cutting these seventy-seven units
but if we look at the bigger picture, we do not know what the cost is actually
going to be, especially when we think about the students who are going to fall
through the cracks.
Mr. Speaker, a number of my colleagues and I went down
yesterday and we listened to a panel, Choices for Youth.
There were very touching stories; young girls on that panel who had been
in and out of sixteen homes.
Somewhere along the road of their life, things went wrong.
That is why it is so important for us to support our children from a
young age, for us to ensure that our children's education is not compromised,
because we have to build a solid foundation in order to give them that right
start in life.
I think also we are talking about cuts, cuts, cuts
impacting the students but asking the teachers to stretch themselves to make up
with all of the different courses.
Then we still expect them to provide extracurricular activities while stretched
to the limit. Most of us here who
went through the school system and liked the various sports, we know how
valuable and how important that was in our lives.
When I went to school we had to get on our snowmobile
and we had to go Port Hope Simpson and Mary's Harbour only by Ski-Doo for a
sports meet. We played ball hockey,
we lived for it, and we loved the challenge of seeing who was going to bring
home the trophy. I have to say we
did pretty good the number of times that I went.
We are asking teachers, despite all of these cuts, to
continue with the extracurricular sports teams and after school sports.
These things are vital, Mr. Speaker, but something has to go.
Mr. Speaker, I would encourage the government, I would
encourage the minister – and I believe he already committed to me today, and I
appreciate that. Mr. Speaker, he did
ask his officials to go back and look at some of these positions because
sometimes decisions are made and you cut right across the board, but most here
will agree that one size does not fit all.
When we have schools that are only going down in enrolment by one or two
students and we are cutting a unit for one or two students, Mr. Speaker, it is
important that we go back and we look at that.
Another thing, Mr. Speaker, that I have been hearing
from teachers as I have travelled throughout my district is about –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
DEMPSTER:
Mr.
Speaker, when teaching units have been reallocated, it had always happened in
the fall. I remember, Mr. Speaker, I
think I served for fifteen years on the school council in my community.
So I am very familiar with a lot of what I am talking about.
If units are going to be reinstated, when they are reallocated in the
fall that is a great disruption to the students.
The classes have to be reorganized.
The teachers have to be reorganized.
So one of the things I would ask the minister to consider this year,
something different, is when you are looking at reinstating teaching units I
would ask that they be done prior to the school year in September.
It is very important that if you are going to look at reinstating some
units, Mr. Speaker, that it be done before September.
Mr. Speaker, I have to say, when I look at Cartwright –
L'Anse au Clair, the teachers in those small communities and when I look across
Labrador we are very proud of our teachers.
Time and time again those teachers have risen to the challenge.
It is not easy when you are in a small community.
I petitioned many times on broadband.
Some of these teachers, professionals come into small areas and they want
to be able to continue to further their education and work on their master's.
We do not have the infrastructure in place for them even to do that; yet,
here we are now, we are asking teachers to take on more.
We have a number of schools now because of the cuts, we
are going to have classrooms that are empty.
We are going to have skilled trades' rooms that are empty, Mr. Speaker.
We will all agree here that not every student learns the same way, but we
have students – because of these seventy-seven units that they are cutting – who
learn best with hands-on learning.
For those students, sadly, there will be no skilled trades room open, Mr.
Speaker, just because of the cuts.
Mr. Speaker, I think the message that I want – my time
is winding down. I just want to say
the message I am hearing from the teachers in my district is that they will not
sit idly by. They will not sit idly
by while students suffer the consequences of choices made by this government
that have bungled and badly, badly mismanaged, despite $25 billion in oil money
since they took government; more money than we have ever had in the history of
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Now what we are doing, Mr. Speaker, is we are cutting.
We are cutting at the heart of rural.
We are cutting, we are disadvantaging our students.
We are not preparing them to come in here and to go to university and to
go to college. Cuts like this, Mr.
Speaker, rest assured, will have far-reaching negative impacts on children's
lives and on our education system.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
DEMPSTER:
I
am happy, Mr. Speaker, that I have had a chance to stand to mention the
teaching. It is sad when money has
been mismanaged, when there has been a lot of wastage.
It is sad that people have to suffer.
It is sad that we are going to see a tax increase.
It is sad that this government is going to reach deep into the pockets of
the people with the lowest income in our Province, seniors who are already
choosing between buying their pills or turning up their heat.
Now we are going to put the taxes back on their hydro bill.
Now we are going to put a 2 per cent HST increase on.
Mr. Speaker, taxing back to prosperity is not the way
you govern. It is bad governance and
people are outraged about it. We
hear it everywhere we go.
We just saw this Budget brought down that brought in
261 fee increases, Mr. Speaker – 261 fee increases.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
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oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask members for their co-operation.
The hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Mr.
Speaker, 261 fee increases on an average family who is just daily living,
running out and putting their children in swimming lessons, buying their moose
licence, renewing their motor vehicle registration, and at the end of the day
taking their kids for a milkshake on the way home.
Mr. Speaker, that adds up to an extremely high amount.
Then, at the end of the month, they pay their hydro bill.
People on Income Support; we have heard about the
rebate but they are still front ending that cost.
They are still front ending because they have to pay that extra tax
increase every single day and the rebate only comes in October.
It is very, very sad, Mr. Speaker.
I am happy once again – I see my time has gone – to
stand in my place and speak on behalf of the residents in the District of
Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair. I look
forward, Mr. Speaker, to taking my place and speaking again on this Budget.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bonavista South.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
LITTLE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise tonight in the House of Assembly to support
Concurrence of the Social Services Committee.
I participated in that Committee and I must say, I have learned somewhat
listening to what went on in the different sectors of the Social Services
Committee. There were actually eight
different departments that we had meetings on, meetings sometimes in the
mornings and sometimes late in the evenings.
I must say it was a great experience.
I am delighted to be able to stand in this House here
again tonight and speak. Every time
I get up and speak I like to show my gratitude towards the great people of the
District of Bonavista South who actually gave me the opportunity to be able to
speak in the House of Assembly on their behalf and on behalf of the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Health and Community Services is a large department.
Approximately $2.9 billion is the estimate that will be put forward in
Budget 2015. That is a major, major
investment. In part of that
investment, major infrastructure will be put in place; $133.8 million in special
projects in Health and Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
LITTLE:
Through that particular program, 360 extra long-term care beds will be put into
the system of Health and Community Services around communities in Newfoundland
and Labrador. This will certainly
free up acute care beds.
This is a problem that when you go out into your
districts, all over Newfoundland and Labrador, you hear people who are concerned
about getting access to acute care beds.
By having a plan in health care and putting forward a plan to create
another 360 extra long-term care beds, it shows that we, as a government, have a
vision. We do have a plan.
We do have a balanced approach here, Mr. Speaker.
It is all about making special choices –
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MR.
SPEAKER (Littlejohn):
Order, please!
MR.
LITTLE:
–
different choices for all the people in Newfoundland and Labrador.
We, as a government, will continually govern and show that we do have a
balanced approach when we move forward in relation to sectors such as Health and
Community Services.
As part of the provincial government's focus on health
and wellness in the Budget, Budget 2015, it includes an investment of nearly $3
billion. That is a substantial
amount of funding investment.
Through Budget 2015, we provide funding for strategic health care investments,
including $700 million for long-term care and community support services
including home support and personal care homes.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I know there is much conversation on both sides of the
House going back and forth. I am
going to ask hon. members if they want to continue their conversations, to take
it to a corner or go outside the House so we can listen to the hon. member.
The hon. the Member for Bonavista South.
MR.
LITTLE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I certainly appreciate the protection you just gave me.
It is quite noisy here tonight.
This is an evening session of the House of Assembly and I guess it
happens from time to time. Every
speaker who rises to their feet, on either side of the House of Assembly, feels
that we have been elected on behalf of the constituents in our district and we
have strong convictions about what should be done.
We, as a government, here on this side of the House
realize there are many challenges that we face on a regular basis, Mr. Speaker,
challenges that we definitely work through.
No matter what government is in power and what programs you put out there
in the future, there always will be some challenges.
I, for one, certainly support the fiscal realities of
what we are faced with in the House of Assembly.
This government recognizes that, in particular, this past year we faced a
challenge in relation to the economic reality around the world.
We had to come up with a Budget 2015 and a five-year plan leading into
the future that I can stand on my feet and definitely say it is a plan that will
work for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador headed into the future.
So we do have a plan.
This government has plan. We
rolled out that plan in Budget 2015.
If you listen to the speakers on this side of the House, you will see some of
the positive announcements and investments that we have made as a government.
They definitely will be rolled out in 2015.
In relation to home support, there are people in my
district who avail of that particular service.
They realize the importance of having personal care attendants actually
come to their home. I hear a major
number of good comments in relation to people who receive home care services in
their own homes.
In my district, in the town that I live in, basically
there is a private personal care home, and there is a public nursing home as
well in the Town of Bonavista.
Actually there are two private personal care homes in the municipality of
Trinity Bay North, Mr. Speaker. We
need that in our society, different levels of care as people become older and
need different services at different stages in their life.
This government has proven that we invest and we will
continue to invest in programs that are important to our senior citizens, Mr.
Speaker. Some of the senior citizens
I have talked to like at 50 Plus Clubs – and I go to the Christmas senior
citizens party at the Lions Club, and I have many, many discussions.
Actually I had an event the past weekend in Lethbridge and area, a
fiftieth anniversary. I have talked
to a number of senior citizens at that event.
They actually commended this government on some of the programs that we
continue to roll out on a regular basis.
It is not all the statement of I am sad.
The statement comes across that some of those people are the most
vulnerable, in some cases, in our society definitely support what this
government is doing, and they commend the government on a regular basis when I
talk to them. Can we do everything
for everyone on a regular basis, Mr. Speaker?
No, that is a fact and that is the honest truth; we cannot.
We definitely provide programs that help out our seniors and some of our
less fortunate in our society. We
will continue to do that on a regular basis.
As I move on to Municipal and Intergovernmental
Affairs, actually there was over $245 million invested in the 2015 Budget, Mr.
Speaker. That particular department
is important to municipalities all over Newfoundland and Labrador in each region
of the great Province that we live in.
When you look at the different components of the
department, you look at the Municipal Capital Works Programs which are very
important to municipalities, and depending on the population of the communities,
there is a 90-10 arrangement, there is an 80-20 cost-shared arrangement for
other municipalities, then there is a 70-30 arrangement in relation to municipal
capital works in that particular department – Municipal Capital Works Programs,
which provide infrastructure help to municipalities, water improvements, and so
forth. Municipal Operating Grants is
another part of Municipal Affairs that certainly help out municipalities in
Newfoundland and Labrador as well.
This year in particular, the new municipal fiscal
framework that was put forward in Budget 2015 – the municipalities and the
councillors that I have talked to in the District of Bonavista South and
listening to some people I have talked to with MNL, they also said this is a
milestone we have reached as a Province.
What we have done – and I will say we because the municipalities put
forward some proposals and through the Department of Municipal Affairs and great
workers in the department and the minister who is responsible showed great
leadership and rolled out a new fiscal framework that will benefit
municipalities for years and years to come, Mr. Speaker.
To me, that was a milestone that this government reached.
This government deserves to be recognized for playing a big part in
coming through on a process of putting that initiative forward over the next few
years.
I know for a fact – I talked to some of the smaller
municipalities in King's Cove, Keels, Elliston, and Trinity Bay North.
From time to time, they face some challenges and some difficulties.
Because of a Budget like we delivered this year, there will be funding.
Funding that will be put in place through municipal capital works and so
forth and funding that municipalities and some of the smaller local service
districts can get access to. That is
very important that we continue on that road in the future.
That particular department also is a very important
department in the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador.
I am sure we will continue to roll out programs that will assist
municipalities in Newfoundland and Labrador, will improve their infrastructure,
and will help people on a regular basis who live in the municipalities in
Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker.
That is a partnership that this government has formed
over the years. We have continued to
work with the municipalities all over the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador,
Mr. Speaker. I can say for one that
people on this side of the House are very, very delighted to be able to work on
behalf of the many municipalities, local service districts, and communities in
each and every one of the districts that we serve.
In relation to Education and Early Childhood
Development there is close to $927 million allotted in Budget 2015, Mr. Speaker.
Full-day kindergarten – you have to make changes to bring in full-day
kindergarten. It takes time to
actually do that. There are many
parents, students, community groups, and teaching professionals who have
commended government in moving in this direction.
Any time you bring in a full-day kindergarten program
there have to be changes in staffing and changes to classrooms, Mr. Speaker.
There are some challenges there, but this government will work through
the challenges with the professional people in the school system.
I am sure that most people who have children going to full-day
kindergarten certainly appreciates that this government moved forward with this
particular program in a positive manner.
In relation to Justice and Public Safety, there was
over $260 million invested in the Social Services Committee and support through
Concurrence of the MHAs who attended that particular sector.
That is a substantial amount of money as well.
Public safety is very important to everyone in our society.
We all know the importance of justice and public safety.
This department was combined, the new department, and this government
took the initiative to show leadership.
At our time in history right now there is a need for a department such as
Justice and Public Safety. When you
look a government that looks at new direction and has a vision to move into the
future, this is what good governance is all about, and this government shows
leadership on a regular basis in relation to providing funding for departments
like Justice and Public Safety.
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing is another important
department in the social services sector of the Committee that I was part of.
In that particular department, there was $34.5 million allotted in the
Budget of 2015. It is all about,
like I said, making choices, balancing choices, and the balanced approach of
this government and the way that we look at the different departments and the
programs that we continue to provide for sometimes some of our less fortunate,
sometimes some of our most vulnerable people – and we provide programs.
I travel through the District of Bonavista South on a
regular basis, Mr. Speaker. I have
heard time after time that the Home Modification Program, and the Home Repair
Program, and the REEP are all great programs.
We had challenges this year, and we had fiscal realities that we faced;
but this government, the government of today have continued to listen to what
the people said about these programs and how important those programs are to the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador, and we continually roll out those programs
in a time when we are faced with a fiscal reality that there are challenges in
relation to what is happening in the world economy and so forth.
We continue to provide programs that assist the people
of Newfoundland and Labrador, and sometimes these people commend me – like I
say, in every community that I go into they talk about the REEP, and they talk
about the Home Modification Program, and they talk about the Home Repair
Program. It is important that we
continue programs like that that help the people of Newfoundland and Labrador,
and sometimes the less fortunate.
Our government will continue to implement programs to
assist our senior citizens, Mr. Speaker.
We have proven that. This is
not just making a promise; this is reality.
We have proven that time after time that we listen to the people.
We certainly respect the people, our senior citizens, and we have
developed programs to assist our senior citizens who certainly paved the way to
give us a great Province that we can enjoy today, a great Province that we call
Newfoundland and Labrador that we are all so proud of.
Our seniors paved the way, there is no doubt, paved the way to give us
the opportunity to be able to continue to stand in this great House of Assembly,
speak on their behalf, provide programs on a regular basis to assist all people
in Newfoundland and Labrador.
This government will continue to listen to the people
of Newfoundland and Labrador, and we will continue to work hard on behalf of the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
That is something that we signed up for.
Every MHA on this side of the House works really hard on behalf of the
people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
This government, I can say without a doubt, works very hard.
It is not an eight-hour job, it is not a twelve-hour job, it is a job
that we commit to, and it is a job that we will continue to work hard on behalf
of the great people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I am very happy to stand this evening and speak about
Concurrence, particularly about the Social Services Committee.
I find it kind of interesting because not only is this about Concurrence,
it is also about convergence.
Because the Social Services Committee is about how we ensure that everybody has
what they need in order to be able to fully participate in our community, so
that they can fully participate in the prosperity of our land, so that they can
fully participate and be partners in bringing our Province forward.
Really, Mr. Speaker, that is what it is all about.
It is not about the resources that we have.
The resources that we have are for the people.
I believe that the Social Services Committee is the heartbeat of our
Province because it is about our people.
Anything that we do, hopefully, is people centred.
We want to take advantage of our resources.
We want to take advantage of government services so that it can enhance
the lives of the people of our Province.
I am very happy to be able to stand and speak to this,
this evening, Mr. Speaker. Also,
before I get into any of the details, I would like to thank the staff of the
different departments who sat with us, who answered our questions, who it is
very clear –
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oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is very clear that it takes really special people to
work in some of those departments, trying to figure out how to maximize our
resources to enhance people's lives, to make it possible for people to live full
lives in Newfoundland and Labrador.
I did not go to all of the Estimates of all the different departments under the
Social Services Committee because I am not a critic for every single department
that is in that Committee. I am a
critic for a number of them, plus I am a critic for ones that are outside of
that Committee as well.
The Social Services Committee is kind of – if people
were watching this on TV tonight as we talk about the Social Services Committee,
this is really a reality show. What
we are talking about is the reality of people's lives, what people need, what
people are able to share, what people are able to give, and what, at times, we
do not provide for people, the people who get lost in the gaps in services, the
people who fall between the cracks.
I would like to say, Mr. Speaker, when we look at our prosperity and when we see
what our resources have brought to us as a people, there should not be anybody
falling between the cracks.
There is no good reason for any Newfoundlander and
Labradorian to fall between the cracks.
There is no good reason.
There is no excuse that would stand up as to why in this time of our prosperity
– even though as the Minister of Finance has said a number of times now, we are
in a recession. With the vast
richness we have had and the ways that we could have built support systems in
our community, no one should be falling between the cracks.
Also, Mr. Speaker, when people fall between the cracks, we know it costs
us more money.
I am going to talk a little bit about some of the
details of some of the departments that participated in Estimates.
I know what some people will say: Well, there she goes again.
Where is the money going to come from?
You know you have to make choices.
Well, Mr. Speaker, in many of our social services we
are spending the money anyways. It
is about how we decide to spend that money.
It is about having a vision for the future.
We know the title of our Budget 2015-2016, government has given it a
title of Balancing Choices for a Promising
Future. We know that budgeting
is all about choices.
Mr. Speaker, we heard from Health and Community
Services; from Housing – and boy I am going to talk about Housing a lot this
evening – Education and Early Childhood Development; Justice, I am going to talk
about housing in Justice as well; AES, Advanced Education and Skills, I am going
to talk about housing in that as well.
The Voluntary and Non-Profit Secretariat and OPE and Youth Engagement, I
am going to be talking about housing in there as well.
Child, Youth and Family Services, I am going to be talking about housing
in that as well.
Seniors, Wellness and Social Development, I am going to
be talking about housing in that; Status of Women, I will be talking about
housing in that. The issues around
people with physical disabilities, I will be talking about housing in that, and
also the arts. The arts, I am not so
sure it is coming specifically under Social Services Committee, but I am going
to talk about it under this anyways, Mr. Speaker.
I am going to give myself a little bit of latitude.
Health and Community Services; my colleague, the Member
for Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi, this is her critic area, but I would just like to
touch on a few issues in Health and Community Services.
Among them is the whole issue of mental health.
As everyone in the House here knows, the All-Party Committee for Mental
Health and Addictions has begun. We
have held public hearings in St. John's.
We have held public hearings in Corner Brook, as well as public hearings
where we heard formal presentations.
Then, also we have had open to the public round tables.
We also heard from – for instance, in Corner Brook we
heard from Western Health. We heard
from psychologists, from doctors, social workers.
We have heard from front line workers.
Mr. Speaker, almost without exception, in Corner Brook so far and in St.
John's so far – because in St. John's we heard from mental health workers at the
Waterford, psychiatrists, psychologists, administrators, mental health nurses.
Then, we heard again from community groups and from the general public.
Almost without exception, people talked about housing.
People with chronic or persistent mental illness cannot get well if they
do not have housing.
I heard as well, Mr. Speaker, from corrections
services, from the assistant superintendent at the correction facility in
Stephenville. He too talked about
the need for affordable and supportive housing.
You have a fellow who has been incarcerated for a few years.
He has been working on his addictions issues in prison.
He gets out. He has nowhere
to live except maybe a horrific boarding house where he is surrounded by people
who are using drugs and who are drinking, and it is back to square one.
Mental health is so wrapped up also in housing.
We have heard from doctors who say that one of the key social
determinants of health is having a safe place to live, a place you can call
home, where you feel safe. If you do
not have a place where you can feel safe or you can call home, you cannot work,
you cannot get better. It is just
impossible.
Mr. Speaker, the other thing I would like to raise in
the area of Health and Community Services, because I heard it in an interesting
way yesterday when Choices for Youth had a public forum on youth and
homelessness. The youth who spoke,
who are community leaders, youth who have been homeless, youth who have had
complex needs, addiction needs, mental health needs, they talked about the need
for one-stop shopping.
I think really what they were talking about, Mr.
Speaker, is the need for primary care clinics, or primary care centres where you
can see a doctor, where you can see a social worker, where you can see a
psychologist. Where you can get
somebody who can help you if you need to get Income Support, somebody who can
help you if you need housing support.
This is similar, Mr. Speaker, they do this in Quebec.
They are called CLSCs. They
are community health clinics, and they are open to the whole community.
They have all those services wrapped up in one area because, Mr. Speaker,
it is so hard for people to navigate the system.
You can imagine if you have a severe mental illness,
and maybe you see a psychiatrist here after waiting at least a year to see your
psychiatrist, then you are told you have to call AES for your Income Support,
then you have to call Housing for your housing.
Then how difficult that is to try and negotiate everything.
Then you have to get a letter from your doctor.
AES tells you, you have to go back to your doctor and get a letter.
Then Housing says you have to go back and get a letter from your doctor.
Mr. Speaker, another thing I think is so important that
we did not hear so much about in Health and Community Services is the need for
primary health care clinics. They
are not just about physical care; it is about wrapping around all the support
services. It is about investing in
our people so that our people can be well, that they can be productive.
So they can be the best that they can possibly be.
Mr. Speaker, the issue of home care – now I heard my
colleague for Labrador talk about the failure of the paid family caregivers
program.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We know how important housing is to seniors and how
important home care is to seniors, so seniors can stay in their housing.
Mr. Speaker, this Social Services Committee Concurrence is all about
social services convergence, where we are bringing all the elements together so
they can work together. It saves us
money in the long run because then people are well, people are housed.
They are not housed precariously.
People are getting the types of support services they need so they can
stay out of hospital, so they can stay out of jail.
Could you imagine, Mr. Speaker?
If we could keep in one year alone ten people out of prison, could you
imagine the savings that would be?
To keep someone in prison is hundreds of dollars a day.
It is not that much to house someone in a safe, affordable place.
Maybe the rent is going to be $800 to $900 a month.
That is different.
Imagine, Mr. Speaker, $800 to $900 a month to house
someone well, compared to someone going to prison because they do not have a
safe place to live. They get mixed
up in drugs and alcohol again because they cannot work because they do not have
a safe place to live. Imagine the
savings if we could keep just ten people out of prison a year in Newfoundland
and Labrador.
Then in Justice, Mr. Speaker, I was very happy to hear
that the rates for legal aid lawyers have increased.
I think that is really important so that people have choices, that they
have access. In particular, people
who have been charged with major crimes like murder, how important it is to have
a good representation. I am happy to
hear that expands the type of representation that people can have in our justice
system, and that is healthy.
It is not only about rights for individuals, but it is
also healthy for our justice system.
We need to be able to have experienced private lawyers.
When they are chosen, we need to ensure they are paid properly so that
people can get good representation.
Again, that does not just affect the individual who is accused but it affects
the justice system.
The Family Violence Intervention Court, how happy was I
to hear that that is being reinstated, but, Mr. Speaker, I am not going to be
like Charlie Brown and Lucy, I am not ready yet to dance in the streets.
I have my dancing shoes beside me and I am ready to be dancing in the
street, once I actually see a reality of the reinstatement of the Family
Violence Intervention Court. I know
they are calling it the Domestic Violence Court.
I am not putting on those dancing shoes and dancing in the street until I
actually see a court open.
Now, Mr. Speaker, I know the Minister of Justice had
said that the women's centres will be providing the empowerment groups for women
and children on behalf of the Domestic Violence Court.
I have spoken to these women's centres, nobody – and I am hoping the
Minister of Justice is listening because this is directed at him.
I know, Mr. Speaker, that nobody has contacted any women's centre across
Newfoundland and Labrador about providing that service.
I would like to know what that means, Mr. Speaker,
because that court cannot be opened up unless those services are in place.
Those services are part of what defines what that court is, and there has
not been a single conversation with any women's centre across the Province about
providing those services. So I do
not know what that means. Maybe the
Minister of Justice is going to be able to stand up and tell us about that, I am
not sure. He has a quizzical look on
his face. He probably did not quite
hear what I had to say.
Mr. Speaker, as I had said, we know the empowerment
programs, the empowerment groups for the Family Violence Intervention Courts are
provided, and the minister promised that they were going to be provided by
women's centres. I know, Mr.
Speaker, I have spoken to every women's centre in the Province, nobody, nobody
has spoken to them about providing that service.
The court cannot be up and running unless that service is provided.
So, again, I am not putting on my dancing shoes and
celebrating yet until – I do not know where it is at.
Government has not given us a time frame.
Maybe this is one of those empty promises, I do not know.
I guess I am going to have to keep pushing, and the women's community
across the Province are going to have to keep pushing on that one.
Justice; again, Mr. Speaker, we know that housing is
such a crucial part in rehabilitation so that when people do get out of
incarceration they have a safe place to live.
Not because you are just like coddling people.
This is a social investment.
Again, it is far cheaper to house someone adequately than it is to incarcerate
them. The research has been done to
show that people – our prisons are filled, they are like our new asylums, are
filled with people with mental health and addictions issues, and unless they
have a safe place to live when they come out of prison, the recidivism rate goes
up, the rehabilitation rate goes down.
So it is a saving in the long run.
Now, the voluntary and non-profit sector.
Mr. Speaker, we know they are taking on the lion's share of the housing
crisis that we face right now in our Province.
Because we do face a housing crisis.
Psychiatrists are telling us that, doctors are telling us that, mayors
are telling us that.
Mr. Speaker, last month, the Federation of Canadian
Municipalities were talking about the housing crisis that we are facing right
now. Our own mayors in Newfoundland
and Labrador in the past year used those words.
So, our voluntary non-profit organizations are trying to address the
housing crisis that we face. They do
that by participating in the Affordable Housing Initiative.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MS
ROGERS:
Mr.
Speaker, it sure is getting loud in here.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
So it is our voluntary and non-profit organizations who
are applying for the Affordable Housing Initiative, which is a joint program on
behalf of the Province and the federal government to provide –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MS
ROGERS:
Mr.
Speaker, I am asking for protection here.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask all hon. members to have a little bit of patience
here, please.
Thank you.
The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I only have a minute left, so I am going to just move
on and say that the voluntary and non-profit sector are doing the lion's share
of trying to address the affordable housing situation and the housing crisis
that we have in our Province.
As well, Mr. Speaker, Seniors, Wellness and Social
Development, we know that one of the fundamental building blocks for seniors for
their health and well-being is having a safe, affordable place to live.
I have heard of stories, for instance, of one man in Labrador who is
going to a personal care home because he cannot afford rent.
He does not need a personal care home but government will pay for him to
be in a personal care home.
Mr. Speaker, how many seniors have I visited where they
sit down, and on the back of an envelope they try to budget, and the biggest,
biggest block for them is the price of housing, the price of rent.
They try to figure out how they can buy food, how they can pay heat and
light, because of the high rents that they are paying.
Imagine, and we all know it.
It is happening across the Province, seniors trying to budget on the back of an
envelope without enough money to live on.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Baie Verte – Springdale.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
POLLARD:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is certainly a privilege and an honour for me to
stand in this House of Assembly to represent the people of the District of Baie
Verte – Springdale. It is always an
honour and a privilege to speak on their behalf, and by extension to speak on
behalf of the whole Province, the entire Province.
Just for the people at home in case they missed it.
For their information we are debating the concurrence on the Social
Sector Committee. We have already
dispensed of the business of the Resource Committee and the Estimates on the
Government Services Committee.
Right now, we are discussing the Estimates on the
Social Services Committee. Since you
asked, Mr. Speaker, who were the members of this committee, the Chairperson was
the Member for Port de Grave, the Member for Port au Port, the Member for
Bonavista South, the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair, the Member for
Humber East, the Member for St. John's Centre, and myself, the Member for Baie
Verte – Springdale.
Mr. Speaker, I do not think I will go through or
explain the process because I think the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune
did a very articulated, very succinctly – the budgetary process and the
concurrence process earlier on, so I will not belabour everybody in here today.
I will just skip that process tonight.
For everybody out there, this is a night sitting.
Again, it is a privilege to stand and speak.
Mr. Speaker, first of all, I want to applaud the
Committee members for their diligent work.
They had some very thought-provoking questions for the ministers and
departments. I really appreciate all
the work they have done.
I certainly want to thank each minister of each
department and their officials for the stellar work they have done and their
dedication. Coming in here and
displaying and exhibiting a lot of patience.
Well, actually they are on the hot seat.
The minister and officials, and their department officials are on the hot
seat in the morning 9:00 o'clock to 12:00, or in the afternoon or at night, I
should say, from 6:00 p.m. to about 9:00 o'clock, thereabouts, roughly.
Mr. Speaker, there is nothing wrong with that because
the minister and department officials, and also the government, I suppose, are
held accountable for what transpired in the previous year, and our projections
or Estimates in the upcoming Budget year.
So, that process is very essential and very educational to have.
It educates everybody here.
It gives everybody some accountability, especially as a government, because the
members opposite can ask all kinds of questions: Why did this happen?
Why the line item here increased, or why is there a decrease?
They get their answers, Mr. Speaker.
So I think overall it is a very good process indeed.
Again, I will just mention briefly, what are the
departments that make up the Social Sector.
We have Child, Youth and Family Services; Seniors, Wellness and Social
Development; Justice and Public Safety; Newfoundland and Labrador Housing
Corporation; Education and Early Childhood Development; Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs, the Labour Relations Agency; and we have Health and
Community Services.
Now, you combine all that – I said that rather fast,
Mr. Speaker, but you combine all these departments, it makes together over $4.6
billion in expenditures, and roughly it makes up or comprises about 55.8 per
cent of expenditures. That is a
large portion of the expenditures of the Budget that the Social Sector eats up.
It is a very important sector, and I believe it is the biggest sector
indeed.
What I will do now is zero in on a few departments, but
before I do, I want to talk about – since this is Tourism Week, Mr. Speaker, I
would like to say a few words about tourism in general.
From a global point of view, we all know that tourism is a
trillion-dollar industry, and tourists spend roughly $3 billion a day.
That translates into $2 million per minute, globally speaking, and
roughly provides about one job in eleven worldwide, Mr. Speaker.
That is on a global scale.
That is how important tourism actually is.
Then we narrow that down.
Provincially speaking, Mr. Speaker, the tourism
industry generates, as we all know, $1.1 billion per year.
I think we are on target. By 2020,
it should be up around, between $1.5 billion and $1.6 billion per year.
Basically, that supplies over 8 per cent of the total jobs in this
Province right now.
That is something to be encouraged about.
That is very positive, Mr. Speaker.
We have certainly grown the tourism industry right around this Province
of ours, I am sure. That is very
encouraging. I take hats off and
give kudos to the tourism department, the ministers, and former ministers.
I would like to read Rex Avery's remarks about tourism.
He rather sums it up in a nutshell.
This is what he says, “Thanks to the hard work and collaborative efforts
of tourism operators, regional networks and other industry stakeholders, tourism
is diversifying the economy, driving investment and creating jobs while
strengthening communities and business partnerships.”
I think that is a very good synopsis of the importance that tourism is to
the economy of this Province and to the people's way of life in the Province.
I just wanted to share that because Rex Avery, in case you did not know,
is the President of Hospitality Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker.
Then I want to zero in on a community of mine, King's
Point. Of course, the Town of King's
Point are so proactive in offering a cluster of products when it comes to
tourism. For example, King's Point
Pottery. They have a heritage home.
They have the Dr. Jon Lien whale pavilion.
They have the By the Sea Inn & Café, where you can go out and have a cup
of tea or a cup of coffee any time of the day.
You can probably see whales out in the bay there.
That is very good.
I have to give credit to their ingenuity and the
visionary people of King's Point for their risk taking in trying to develop a
cluster of products so when people come in my area, especially in King's Point,
they will have a good experience there.
Of course they can all travel down to Rattling Brook as well and visit
Dulcie Toms and her store there, Mr. Speaker.
If you enter that store it is like you are going into probably the 1950s
or 1960s. She loves to chat.
She loves to meet people.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The Speaker asks for all members' co-operation.
It is a long night, I understand and all the rest, but I ask for all
members' co-operation.
The hon. the Member for Baie Verte – Springdale.
MR.
POLLARD:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Kudos for tourism and the tourism operators.
I would like for all the tourism operators out there to know that this
government, and every MHA in here, how we appreciate all that you do in
contributing to the economy of the Province.
Another very important topic, Mr. Speaker, is cancer.
Cancer is a galvanizing disease.
It has no respect of persons.
You could be a mom, a dad; you could be a child.
No matter if you are rich, if you are middle class, it hits all of us.
Families and friends, all of us, in this House of Assembly here, every
MHA is touched some way by that disease called cancer.
About two in five Canadians develop cancer in their
lifetime. We know that one in four
Canadians will pass away due to this dreaded and awful disease.
The Canadian Cancer Society estimates there will be 3,500 new cancer
diagnoses and 1,510 cancer deaths in Newfoundland and Labrador in this year,
2015.
Mr. Speaker, that is a stark reality and sort of grips
our hearts and probably puts, in some ways, fear in our hearts; but, as a
government, we know that cancer prevention and treatment is a key priority to
us. Since 2004, we have invested
approximately $184 million to combat the dreaded disease called cancer and try
to help people out. This government
will continue to implement and monitor priority actions under this Cancer
Control Policy Framework. We always
want to encourage people to get early detection, early diagnosis so that we can
have a better result, Mr. Speaker.
We have supported and expanded the three provincial
cancer screening programs for cancer – cervical and colon cancer out there.
We are preparing to introduce a PET scanner into the Province's cancer
care system. We have added new
cancer treatment mediations to the drug program.
We are offering a cancer patient navigator program to improve navigation
through the health care system.
These are some of the initiatives, as a government, we have taken to combat that
dreaded disease called cancer that grips all of our hearts.
I want to acknowledge the supports out there from the
community, from all kinds of agencies, from families, friends, you name it, Mr.
Speaker. When somebody has a
fundraiser or some initiative, the people all around you, they galvanize and
they support each other. That is
very, very impressive, Mr. Speaker.
It touches all of our hearts.
There is hope.
I have seen a lot of people with yellow T-shirts when I have travelled
around in my district and around the Province, gone to relays and seen these
yellow T-shirts. It is just an
inspiration to all of us in seeing those very brave people trying to fight that
dreaded disease with a very, very positive attitude, and I commend them for
their bravery, Mr. Speaker.
I think we all have a responsibility, not only as a
government but as a people, as a person, as an individual.
I guess the backdrop of these stark statistics: I have to take
responsibility, try to live a healthy lifestyle, and try to eat right so that I
can hopefully fight that dreaded disease called cancer.
That is a little bit on cancer, Mr. Speaker.
Again, another topic we could dwell on is municipalities.
Like I said earlier, it makes up 3 per cent of the expenditure.
It is a fairly big department.
Budget 2015 is very good to municipalities.
We kept the MOGs. The
cost-shared ratios, 90-10, were very important.
The new sustainability partnership that we developed, over $46 million
over three years, that is awesome.
I talked to all kinds of mayors out there and
councillors. They have talked to me
and said they felt that they got their support, not only from MNL but from us as
a government as well. Mayors and
councillors out there are very proud that we forged that relationship and came
up with a new fiscal framework that will sort of help them help their
communities to be sustainable.
Fire and Emergency Services – I am going quickly
because my time is running very, very quickly.
The Association of Fire Services President Vince MacKenzie was very happy
with the Budget. To serve 5,900
volunteers in the firefighters, I am very, very encouraged to see that this
Budget 2015 still kept the funding in Fire and Emergency Services intact.
Fire and Emergency Services, I am sure, are certainly pleased because
they provide an outstanding service.
Let me get into the seniors, Mr. Speaker, which is dear
to my heart. I believe I can look
back when I was eighteen, nineteen years old attending MUN and me and my buddy
used to do down to the Escasoni home here and he took his guitar and I tried to
sing – imagine that now. I cannot
play, but I do not think I can sing either.
We went down and tried to cheer the hearts of seniors.
Do you know what? When I
left, I was the one who was cheered up.
I thought we would go down and sing a few songs and play the guitar and
create a smile on the faces of seniors but when we left, we were the ones who
were cheered up as well.
My wife, for thirty years or so, worked in the
long-term care facility in Springdale.
We have a passion and a love for seniors.
I know we all do here because I do not think anybody has a monopoly on
loving the seniors. Everybody shares
that same respect.
In Baie Verte there is a group organized – I commend
the Town of Baie Verte; I commend the group in Middle Arm.
Middle Arm, Smith's Harbour, and Burlington – I commend all the mayors
there, and Gerald Burke, especially.
It was his vision. He got everybody
to embrace that idea, and all three communities came together and formed a 50
Plus – it is called the 50 Plus Encouragement Club, and President Gerald Burke
is doing a fantastic job, along with representatives from these three
communities. I have to give a shout
out to them as well. They are doing
an awesome job in engaging seniors in their communities.
Then there is a group in La Scie, and of course,
Springdale – I live in Springdale; I am very familiar with Life Unlimited for
Older Adults. They are just an
outstanding group of leaders in the community.
They are all seniors, they volunteer, they are engaged, and they are
leaders in their community. Wherever
you go you see seniors – all over the Province.
It is not only in my district, or in Springdale; I am just saying that
now because I am more familiar with it because I live in Springdale.
Life Unlimited for Older Adults – we gave them a home.
When I was the Mayor of Springdale at the time, they came in and shared
their vision with us and we said we will help you out.
You take downstairs, we will give you a phone, and we will give you all
kinds of supports – and that is their home: the lower level of the town hall.
Mr. Speaker, if you get a chance to go out, you can
visit them, and they do an awesome job in including seniors and engaging seniors
right across the whole area – awesome job.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
POLLARD:
Again, hats off to that group, Life Unlimited for Older Adults in Springdale –
and all groups right across this great Province of ours.
I do not know how many groups, but I am saying there are hundreds of
groups across this Province. This
group in particular in Springdale offer educational, social activities,
recreational activities, and they have a care to ride program now that will
engage seniors to go grocery shopping, to be involved in social activities, or
they travel somewhere to take a trip or go down and get their appointment to see
a doctor, or whatever. They are
engaged. It is a tremendous program.
So, I have to say a great big shout out to that
particular group in Springdale and right across the great Province of ours.
How we have invested in seniors – I do not have enough time now, Mr.
Speaker, to go into some of our investing in healthy, age-friendly inclusive
communities that this Province has seen through this government.
In my opinion, there is no other government that has
done so much for seniors as this government has done, Mr. Speaker.
There are holes and gaps in some, sure there is.
I am not naïve, we are not naïve.
We do not pretend we are the panacea for a group of seniors and we have
all the answers, but I will tell you one thing, Mr. Speaker, this government has
offered so many wide-ranging programs out there, it would boggle your mind if
you had to list them all and the investments we have made.
It is astounding, Mr. Speaker.
Just listen to this, “Approximately $180 million for
the Provincial Home Support Program, representing an increase of over $6 million
from last year's program that provided support to about 9,000 seniors.”
That is awesome.
“$8.8 million under the Provincial Home Repair Program
to assist households with lower incomes make repairs to their homes.
Historically, nearly 86 per cent of applicants are seniors.”
That is awesome.
“$5.4 million to create new affordable housing units
through the Investment in Affordable Housing Program, of which approximately 60
per cent will serve seniors.” Now,
is that forgetting seniors?
Absolutely not, Mr. Speaker.
To top it all off, Mr. Speaker, this Premier, we
created a brand new department called Seniors, Wellness and Social Development.
We have a minister there who is vivacious and energetic, and his heart
and soul is in this department. I
see it on his face, I see it. He is
everywhere. He is supporting these
seniors. His heart is in it, Mr.
Speaker.
This government, “$2.6 million to implement new drug
therapies in the Newfoundland and Labrador Prescription Drug Program …” and I
can go on, “$400,000 for the age-friendly transportation services.”
Seniors, are they forgotten?
Absolutely not.
Mr. Speaker, I will conclude by saying: seniors, we
love you. We do not have a monopoly
on love but I tell you one thing, seniors are loved and respected in this
Province.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. member's time has expired.
MR.
POLLARD:
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR.
J. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Any reference I make tonight will be from the first
report of the Auditor General that I ever read, which was of the year ending
March 31, 2011. Why this is
important is because this covers, first of all, and I think maybe the most
important part, is this discusses the infrastructure strategy that the
government never had where billions and billions of dollars went.
The Auditor General report said: In the 2004 Speech
from Throne, Government announced that it “…will develop a comprehensive
infrastructure strategy to guide investments in public infrastructure in a
manner that promotes growth.” This
was the very first Speech from the Throne with this government.
The 2006 Speech from the Throne elaborated further by
saying, “Existing infrastructure, including roads and public buildings, has been
eroding throughout Newfoundland and Labrador for decades.
Addressing the wide assortment of costly needs responsibly over time
requires expert information and careful fiscal balancing.”
Does that sound familiar?
Careful fiscal balancing, I think we are hearing that again this year.
This was 2004, and this is 2015.
The Speech from the Throne goes on to say, “For this
reason, My Government initiated a comprehensive infrastructure strategy to
evaluate the needs and identify ways and means of meeting them.”
This was in 2004.
The Auditor General goes on to say that, “In its Budget
for the year ended 31 March 2007 Government indicated that its Infrastructure
Strategy was valued at $2 billion … .”
That was the value on the infrastructure strategy in 2007 after four
years of this government, $2 billion.
In 2011, “… Government indicated that its
Infrastructure Strategy was valued at $5 billion.”
If we are talking about $20 million or $25 million of oil royalties and
mineral royalties that this government has burned through, you look at the
infrastructure strategy that the Auditor General was trying to find in 2011.
The Auditor General goes on to explain for most of us
who might not fully comprehend what is infrastructure.
Infrastructure means things such as roads, bridges, ferries, aircraft,
buildings, vehicles, major software programs, and any other categories of
tangible capital expenses. The
Auditor General – based on the government having said for a seven-year period
from 2004 to 2011 that it was really keen on infrastructure rebuild and properly
planning infrastructure expenditures – decided, well, maybe we should have a
look at the infrastructure strategy.
The Auditor General made a request for this 2011
Auditor General's report, for a copy of the infrastructure strategy, only to be
told by the former Deputy Minister of Transportation and Works that there was no
formal document infrastructure strategy.
We know there is $5 billion gone on a strategy and the strategy does not
exist. The person who says the
strategy does not exist was the former Minister of Transportation and Works.
The former deputy minister was the Chair of the infrastructure committee
established by government. This is
the person who was the Chair of the committee that was established in 2004.
What did the committee actually do?
Well, the Auditor General found that, yes, there had been an
infrastructure working group and they had prepared a draft report dated November
2004, but apparently nothing else.
The draft report in 2004 highlighted five key areas, and those key areas – this
is by the government's own infrastructure working group that was supposed to
provide an infrastructure strategy which was never ever put in writing.
Does that sound familiar?
Never ever put in writing.
They said, “the Province's current approach to
infrastructure asset management does not provide decision makers with an
appreciation of the significance of the approval of a particular level of
funding.” In other words, that means
that the infrastructure strategy does not give enough information for an
appreciation of, how much does all of this cost?
Well, this was a fairly new government, so maybe they could be let off
the hook early on.
The second point was the “responsibility for the
planning, acquisition, and maintenance of infrastructure is not centralized but
is spread out among numerous Government departments and Crown agencies … .”
Mr. Speaker, wouldn't it make sense across a government, across a major
corporation, or any large organization, that if you are dealing with significant
capital expenditures, if you are dealing with large amounts of money, that you
would have some consistency and there would be some form of central planning?
Not in this government.
The committee that prepared a draft report also said,
“the planning processes used amongst the various departments and Crown agencies
were not consistent … .” Not only
are they spread out, they are inconsistent as among themselves.
That means that what one department would do, another department might do
differently, or another department might not do at all.
This brings to mind of, for example, how many vehicles
does the Province own? We do not
know how many. We saw in Question
Period some months ago when the critic was asking questions on how many of this
and how many of that, and who owns them, and why are you buying diesel for
gas-operated vehicles, all the things that are coming forward.
The fourth area was, “a planned and dedicated approach
over the long term, with an increased and multi-year funding commitment was
necessary … .” In 2004, the working
group that was supposed to put together an infrastructure strategy made this
recommendation.
The final one in the draft report was that, “an
appropriate asset management system should involve consideration of the asset
value … .” How much is it worth?
What is the life cycle cost?
How much will it cost you to have this asset over the life of it, whether it is
a building, or whether it is a piece of computer equipment or whatever it is.
What is the long-term affordability, presumably, as compared to other
choices?
What about risk management and assessment?
Performance management, how well it will perform, “… operational plans,
and integration of technical and financial plans.”
So these were five indications of shortcomings, proposals, and
recommendations in what the working group said should be in an infrastructure
strategy.
Well, since the Auditor General could not find an
infrastructure strategy, could not find anything in writing whatsoever, he
decided let's look and see where government is actually spending the money.
So in that year for the 2010-2011 Budget, the Auditor General looked at
the top five big-spending departments, the ones with the highest budgets, and
those were: Transportation and Works, Health and Community Services, Education,
Municipal Affairs, and Justice.
He said: Well, maybe if we gather up what they are
doing in these five departments, we will be able to put together some sense of
where the money is going. Maybe this
will serve in the place of a strategy because there seems to be no strategy.
Officials from the Office of the Auditor General met with officials from
the five departments to obtain a preliminary understanding of the processes for
this infrastructure spending. The
almost immediate conclusion was: While we did receive some preliminary
information, it soon became apparent we would not be receiving all the
information required to complete our review.
Mr. Speaker, this is a government that brags about
bringing the Auditor General into the House of Assembly, opens up the doors for
the Auditor General; yet on something which they wanted to call an
infrastructure strategy and said that by 2011 $5 billion had gone into the
infrastructure strategy, there was no infrastructure strategy and the five
biggest budget departments started to refuse to give the Auditor General the
basic information that the AG needed in order to perform his job.
Now, on July 5, 2011, the Deputy Minister of Health and
Community Services informed the Auditor General, “With respect to your inquiry
regarding what documentation is available for repairs and renovations, capital
equipment and major infrastructure projects, there would be various
documentation available for each category … .”
To paraphrase, he comes back and says: As I previously indicated to you,
the disclosure of this information would reveal Cabinet confidences, which is
protected from disclosure under section 18 of the Access to Information and
Protection of Privacy Act.
Does that sound familiar to anybody?
Well, Mr. Speaker, this is before Bill 29.
This is in 2011. That was
July 2011, and that was from Health and Community Services.
On September 30, 2011, a similar letter comes from the
Deputy Minister of Justice that says, “ … it is the Department's position that
all documentation either obtained or generated by Departmental officials,
supporting assessments and rankings of proposed infrastructure projects whether
forwarded to Budget Division/Cabinet Secretariat or not, ultimately informs
Cabinet deliberations and decisions … .”
Based on section 18, we are not going to give that to you either.
You have Health and Community Services and you have
Justice both relying on the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act
to refuse to provide information.
This is the year before Bill 29 was enacted.
This is before Bill 29. This
is what this government was doing.
The Auditor General in his 2011 report said, “My view
is that I am entitled to unrestricted access to the information required to
conduct my work.” He says, “The
requirement to provide my Office with unrestricted access comes from section 17
of the Auditor General Act … .”
He also goes on further to say, “The position taken by
the departments is of significant concern, not only for this particular review …
.” Mr. Speaker, it must be
remembered that this is the Auditor General's report on $5 billion worth of
infrastructure spending from 2004 to 2011.
The AG says it is precedent setting in the nature of the refusal, and in
my opinion the position is not in keeping with the purposes of the Access to
Information and Protection of Privacy Act, as outlined in section 3(1), which
states that the purposes of this act are to make public bodies more accountable
to the public and to protect personal privacy.
Mr. Speaker, doesn't that sound very familiar with what
the people paid $1 million for the Wells commission to come back and tell us in
order for the government to fix up Bill 29 and basically repeal Bill 29, that
had they simply listened to the Auditor General in 2011, not only would they not
have gone ahead with Bill 29, they would have loosened up the shroud that they
have over government information?
The Auditor General goes on to reference the Province's
Information and Privacy Commissioner who has issued reports that says he “ has
found that the exemption claimed by Government may not apply or may be too
broad.” This was the state of not
only secrecy in government up to 2011, it also showed how government treated
public spending of huge sums of money, which means that they simply spend as
they wish, they pretend that they have an infrastructure strategy.
They have no infrastructure strategy.
Mr. Speaker, $5 billion gone and we do not know where.
Mr. Speaker, if you would continue on – there are so
many areas that really startled me in looking at some of the programs and the
failure to collect money. Today, we
are hearing about, in Question Period, fines not collected, and various areas of
waste mismanagement. One program in
this AG report, it is called the Growing Forward program, and in a Growing
Forward program it is cost-shared program between the feds and the Province.
The AG noted that in this particular year, for the year ending March 31,
2011, the department was short $465,046, less than the amount that the feds
would have given them if they had simply applied for the money.
We were awash in money at the time, so much so that
this government could just ignore nearly $500,000 and not bother to send the
feds the bill. We wonder why are in
the fiscal mess that we are in today?
Well, we are in this fiscal mess today because we have not been good
stewards, we have not been careful with the finances of the public, and now we
have the biggest Budget we have had in our history and we are about to jack up
sales tax by another further 2 per cent.
Mr. Speaker, the next huge area that the Auditor
General referred to – and I simply will not have time to go into it in this
session, but that is in letting buildings run down.
This government has quite flagrantly allowed buildings to run down so
they got worse and worse and worse, instead of spending the money to maintain
the buildings. They are in such a
state of disrepair right now; the cost has increased and increased and
increased.
I see, Mr. Speaker, my time is up and by agreement, I
will take my seat.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER (Cross):
The
hon. the Minister of Seniors, Wellness and Social Development, and Advanced
Education and Skills.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
JACKMAN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, as I rise this evening I am just kind of
thinking what people at home are doing right now.
If I were home, I imagine I would be finished up watching one of the
series – I would be getting ready to watch
The National. I guess the people
have a choice tonight because I assume – is this live?
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
JACKMAN:
This is live, so I imagine many people are foregoing their Netflix series
tonight to watch the House of Assembly, Mr. Speaker.
I imagine that they are. At
9:41 in the evening, I am about to address and speak for a few minutes on the
Social Services Committee.
I listened this evening to one of the speakers opposite
who referenced that we are almost at a time prior to Confederation.
I think he is going back to maybe the 1930s.
For anybody in this House to get up and make a statement like that, it
has to make you wonder.
MR.
KIRBY:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
JACKMAN:
Here we go.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The Member for St. John's North, on a point of order.
MR.
KIRBY:
Mr. Speaker, I think the record will clearly show my point was that we are at a
point in time where we are expecting a similar amount from our seniors as we
were prior to Confederation. That
was my point.
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the minister.
MR.
JACKMAN:
Mr. Speaker, if that is what the gentleman – and I will refer to him as a
gentleman – referenced, just think about that comment that member just made.
He is saying that the seniors of today are living in the same kind of
situation that seniors lived in this Province in the 1930s, 1940s.
That, to me, is unbelievable.
It is unbelievable. I do not care
how many people are listening tonight; I take exception to that.
I think it is totally embarrassing that we have a member who would rise
in this House and make that kind of commentary.
Mr. Speaker, we are here concluding debate around the
Social Services Committee. There is
one thing that somebody said to me at one point in my career in politics.
Somebody said one of the easiest jobs you can have in government is to be
in Opposition, and I will explain why.
You come in and you can get up each day, you can criticize what
government is doing, because what your role is, you are trying to, I suppose,
put this government out and come in –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
JACKMAN:
I
hear the member over there, one of the newest members, heckling.
I have to tell you, Mr. Speaker, I have been amazed at that, too.
Mr. Speaker, the other thing is that you do not have to
govern. You do not have to make
decisions. It is one thing that we
on this side have to do; we have got to make decisions.
Sometimes there are difficult decisions to be made.
We all recognize where we are now in a financial downturn because of oil.
I can tell you one thing. If
there is one thing that I have seen in my twelve years in government – and I
think the Province as a whole – is we have looked at ourselves in a different
light. I think there was a point in
our history where if we went to Upper Canada, we did not hold ourselves up here.
Mr. Speaker, I think we have come to a new place now
where we have people who are travelling across this country and across this
globe working and we say that, we, the people of this Province, place second
fiddle to no one.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
JACKMAN:
We
take second seat to no one because we have found a different place in our
Province.
I have a number of things I want to speak about
tonight. Yesterday, we attended a
session ending homelessness. There
was myself, the Minister of CYFS, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of
Health, and there were three or four people from the Opposition and the Third
Party.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to speak because it was public
knowledge. They had a panel set up
and they had three young women who had spoken there.
After it was over, I did not know whether I should go up and shake their
hand and congratulate them on the role that they played or not because I stood
in awe of what they did.
Three young women sat in front of probably about 100 or
so people and they answered questions.
I think for the first part of it they were expecting some of the
questions and they had sort of prepared answers.
As we got further into the panel, Mr. Speaker, they were put into a
situation where they had to speak off the cuff.
One young lady told her story about her mother dying at
four years of age and that she and her brother were put into foster care.
In her short life from four to sixteen, she had been in fourteen or
sixteen foster homes. She told about
her situation. Another young girl
told about her situation in dealing with drugs.
Mr. Speaker, we as Members of the House of Assembly,
the general public, and the larger community, were there sitting and listening
to these three young people. What
people like Sheldon Pollett and Bruce Pearce asked of us as elected members of
the House, and what they asked of the larger community is one thing – and it was
a very simple thing that they asked us.
They asked that all of us pool our efforts to end youth homelessness – a
simple request, but a very monumental task.
They said no single entity, organization, government department, can end
this issue. We all have to work
together.
I can speak to the notes that I have here as to what we
need to do, but it comes down to us all making a commitment.
One of the things that Sheldon Pollett has raised, and some people across
departments have raised, is what happens to a youth when they leave that age of
sixteen up until they are about twenty-four, the reason they do that – if we can
intervene before those ages of twenty-four, we have the possibility of turning
people's lives around.
Mr. Speaker, I have said in this House and in my resumé
that we fostered as a family for a number of years.
One of the things that I have always said to people who are considering
going into fostering, it is not a Pollyanna story.
It is not a Disneyland story.
The children who come to you in foster care come with challenges.
They have had circumstances in their lives that are totally beyond their
control, but they are placed into situations.
The onus is upon us. It is
upon me as minister, it is upon us as parliamentarians, and it is up the larger
community that we have to do our part.
As I sat yesterday listening to these three young
ladies, I kept thinking I have grandchildren – somebody asked me how many.
I am trying to figure out how many boys and girls we have.
I think we have eight girls.
I am just thinking that a circumstance can happen to us any time.
A circumstance can happen to us any time that a child can find themselves
in a very difficult situation.
As I looked at those three young women and thinking
that it could be one of my granddaughters up there, I kept thinking that we, as
a people of our Province, that these are our children.
They are our children and we have to do the utmost that we can to see
that they are taken care of. The
earlier we intervene, the better their chances of rectifying their situation and
the better chance we have of ending homelessness.
We can have no choice, Mr. Speaker.
I simply said to him we have no choice.
Myself and the Minister of Child, Youth and Family
Services and the Premier were chatting about this as to what we need to do as a
government. I do not know if any of
those young ladies are listening tonight or if Sheldon Pollett is listening or
if Bruce Pearce is listening, but I can assure them that as minister I am going
to do whatever I can to make sure that we do the best for those youth.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
JACKMAN:
I
am certain that everybody else in this House of Assembly would want to do the
same thing.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to speak to a few issues as it
comes to seniors. We have
established a new department, as was said here tonight.
A large component of that Department of Seniors, Wellness and Social
Development is around the seniors' component of it.
I have used this word several times in interviews and
in-call shows or something like that.
I have used the word dignity.
The reason that I use it is because we need to show the utmost of respect to our
seniors. Somebody said earlier that
you were getting up to speak on it because you are getting close on being one
yourself. Well, age is a perception.
So you may not think that way all the time, but the aches in the
shoulders and the aches in the arm makes me realize that yes, I am getting
there.
When I sit and I think about my grandparents, my
mother, my aunt, my uncle, some of the people who live in my community who
served on their church groups or served to lead the council – I think about the
gentleman who lived across the road from me.
He was ninety-two when he died; he only passed away a couple of years
ago. He established the first
council in Baine Harbour. This was
back in about 1965.
The reason I use the word “dignity” and I will add to
that word “respect” is that these were the ones who set up those communities.
Mr. Speaker, talking about aquaculture, I remember about the second year
I went there, he was experimenting with a project where he had this cage and
they put some salmon out in them out in the harbour.
They did not last that long, but I keep thinking whenever I hear someone
talking about aquaculture, these were the fellows who were the pioneers.
They tried something. The
thing about it was that they did not fear trying.
They tried.
Mr. Speaker, these are the ones who led, like I said,
our church groups, our community councils, our fire departments, all of these
things, and they deserve our respect and they deserve to be treated with
dignity. Are we living in the
perfect world? No, Mr. Speaker.
My colleague for the Isles of Notre Dame spoke about it today.
We can do and do and do, but there will always be challenges.
The onus is on us, though, to face those challenges and to come up with
the best possible solutions. The
minute we find the solution there will be another challenge, but that is part of
growth, that is part of making advances, and we will continue to do that.
Mr. Speaker, I know the Member for St. John's – where?
AN
HON. MEMBER:
North.
MR.
JACKMAN:
No,
not St. John's North. For the love
of God, no, not St. John's North.
From St. John's Centre, I believe – Mr. Speaker, the
Member from St. John's Centre often comes over and visits me when Question
Period is over. She will have an
issue around housing or some seniors' issue.
Any member in this House who gives me an issue to look at, I am going to
see what I can do to resolve it.
I will say our officials who work in Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing, or our officials in the department, I do not find these are
people who want to put up stumbling blocks; but sometimes if we can do something
to aid a process along, as minister, I am going to do it.
Mr. Speaker, issues around Newfoundland and Labrador
Housing – and we often find that people find themselves in very difficult,
challenging situations. Again, the
onus is on us as members, me as minister, to work with whomever it is in this
House of Assembly to try and resolve that situation for that particular
individual.
Mr. Speaker, I am bothered from time to time when I sit
and listen to a member who would say we are reverting to the 1930s or 1940s
times. Look at some of the things
that we have instituted on behalf of seniors – I have here programs that I can
list off to you. I can list off to
you programs: the Provincial Home Support Program, the low-income seniors' tax
benefit – people can say it is not much, but I can guarantee you, Mr. Speaker, I
know a lot of seniors who, come October, look very much to receiving $1,059.
In fact, there are some 45,000 seniors who will receive that benefit.
The Provincial Home Repair Program – I do not know if
it is used as much in the urban centres, St. John's, Corner Brook, but I can
guarantee you there is no MHA here who lives in rural Newfoundland who does not
know about the Provincial Home Repair Program.
I am willing to bet you that every MHA has gone to Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing and have advocated on behalf of their constituent for home
repair dollars.
Age-friendly transportation –
MR.
KIRBY:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
A
point of order, the hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR.
KIRBY:
Mr.
Speaker, these programs the minister is listing off are for seniors who live in
poverty. I do not know why he is so
happy we have so many seniors living in poverty in this Province.
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Minister of Seniors, Wellness and Social
Development.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
JACKMAN:
Mr.
Speaker, I cannot respond to it. The
only thing I can do is to shake my head.
That is the only thing I can do.
We have programs out there supporting age-friendly
transportation. We have a pilot
project going on in five areas of our Province that is aimed at treating one of
the issues that most seniors face: financing, housing, and the third one is
isolation. I had not realized the
impact of isolation on seniors until I went to a session, sat down, and listened
to a number of them. They talked
about the long evenings in the winter when they were not able to get out.
Mr. Speaker, we have invested in age-friendly
transportation in rural and urban areas. We
have partnered with the Red Cross.
We have partnered with Metrobus.
Over in Bay St. George we are doing one, one we are doing in Springdale, and
another that we are doing in Clarenville.
It is a pilot for two years because we want to see how it is that we can
engage and get seniors out in the community more.
Another one all of us have looked at is the seniors
wellness grants. I have said this
before; I do not think I have seen any group that can do as much with $1,000 as
a group of seniors can. We see where
they have availed of these grants.
They have invested in 50 Plus Clubs.
They have invested in other things that draw the senior community together.
The good thing that we are seeing now with the 50 Plus
Clubs is we are getting those people who are at fifty, fifty-two, fifty-three
years of age and we are getting them to partner in a 50 Plus Club with people
who are eighty and ninety years of age.
What they are doing is they are getting these people out in the
community.
I was so pleased to see it happening in one of the
rural areas of my district, whereby I went to an event and there were about
ninety people there. They were from
fifty-one up to ninety-two, or something of that age.
What they have done is they have all joined efforts and they are getting
people out so that seniors do not continue to face the isolation and that
challenge that they have from time to time, Mr. Speaker.
It is amazing, twenty minutes has gone.
Mr. Speaker, the only thing I can end with is that the Social Services
Committee, made up of – and I did not even get into the Newfoundland Housing
very much. Mr. Speaker, it is that
social part of our government. It is
what I probably call the heart. It
is the heart of government, because it is where we pour out what we need to do
to support people from every sector, whether that be our disability community,
whether that is our seniors or whatever, we do that.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I remind the minister his time has expired.
MR.
JACKMAN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Burgeo – La Poile.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am happy to stand and speak to concurrence.
Unfortunately, I do not have a full twenty minute slot but I am going to
use the best of what is there and get an opportunity.
This is my first time speaking to concurrence in this
particular Budget. I have been
watching, listening to everybody, hearing what everybody had to say over the
last number of days. What I have
here is a number of observations that I would like to make and point out over
what I have seen here. I guess that
has to do with just the Budget and the various parts of the Social Services
Committee.
One of them is, and I will just bring this up very
quickly, this was education. I have
heard it on a number of occasions here.
It relates to the Minister of Transportation when we talk about schools
and money invested in schools over the last number of years.
On two separate occasions the minister stood and referenced the amount
invested in Liberal districts, specifically the amount invested in Liberal
districts. Now, I am not sure why it
was done. Was it to make out like we
were the only crowd that was getting money for schools?
It was never a point of listing what was invested on
the other side. I asked on a number
of occasions for the minister to table it or answer the questions, and to his
credit he did. I have it here.
It is a big lot of paper here.
What I found out, actually, was that there have been investments,
obviously in both sides, but when you look at it there is a heck of a lot here
invested in the PC districts as well.
Now, the reason I say that is obviously there is
investment everywhere when it comes to investing in education, I cannot doubt
that. I guess I am questioning why
the minister would stand up and make a show, be disingenuous, and act like there
is some kind of benevolence when it comes to giving us money for education, but
none over there. The fact is there
was plenty over there. In fact, some
of that money that is over here was done while there were PCs in those
districts.
The other thing I will point out is that I am glad to
see the investment in the schools.
The unfortunate part – and I have to say this – is we are actually getting
schools that are getting built, and before the shovel hits the ground they are
too small. I am happy to see an
investment in education.
We know there has been investment in education, but we
know there have also been issues when it comes to designing these and listening
to the school boards, when it comes to making sure they are big enough so that
the kids are not doing their gym class in the cafeteria and eating their lunch
in the classroom, things like that.
I actually spoke to a parent at a restaurant the other day who was mentioning
their kid is starting school and that the older kid – this is what they are
dealing with already right here.
That is just one observation I wanted to make.
The second one I wanted to make, I actually want to talk about the Health
Estimates that we did. I have always
said, credit where credit is due. I
will give the Minister of Health credit because we did the Health Estimates.
We sat down for three hours.
I have had ministers in the past, and I tell you what, it was like stonewall.
They did not want to talk.
They went out of their way to be difficult, no doubt.
I will give the minister credit, and I told him that.
This is on the record in Hansard.
He answered every question that I asked, every single question.
To that I give credit. I did
not always like the answers, but that is how it goes.
He did answer the questions that we asked in Health.
I will say, though, I am disappointed at what has gone
on lately because Health is the biggest expenditure in this Budget.
It is the biggest one.
Obviously that would mean we need the most time to cover that particular area.
For whatever reason – and I do not blame this on the minister.
I blame it on somebody who sets the schedule.
They saw fit to put the Office of Public Engagement in with Health.
So we are supposed to get both done within three hours.
The irony is in the fact that the Office of Public
Engagement was closed for Estimates.
We could not ask the questions. That
may not be the minister's fault. I
know the Member for Port au Port stood up and said something about showing up on
time. What I would say is we were
here on time, but you cannot get both lots done at the same time.
I think if the minister was given an opportunity, he
would love to sit here and answer the questions.
I do not know why somebody in this government did not give him the
opportunity. He answered my
questions; I have already given that credit.
When it comes to the Office of Public Engagement, the door is closed.
I point that out.
I also have to reference – and going back to the
minister, he did a fine job. He
answered a lot of questions. In
fact, some of the best ones – and I have to point this out, I never had a chance
during Question Period. I asked
another question for the third year running on the denture program.
The minister admitted this year they went back, and you could get the
upper set and the lower set in the same year.
I actually said, and this is in Hansard, yes, yes.
I said, why did you do that?
He said, it was the right thing to do.
It did not make sense not to do it.
He actually said – and I have to give the Member for St. John's Centre
credit. He said, we did this based
on what you guys were saying. You
guys were questioning this. We did
it. It was the right move.
The question I have to the previous Ministers of
Health, which include the Premier, and there is another one sitting behind who
was the Minister of Education, the Minister of Health.
They stood there and criticized us for questioning, giving the wisdom of
giving people dentures one half at a time.
I say, why were they so wrong?
Why were they so stubborn?
This minister got it right, but the Premier saw fit
that seniors should have one half of their dentures at a time per year.
I say that is a shame. That
is shameful for the current Premier.
He could not get that right, but thank God the Minister of Health got it right.
Again, I want to move forward because that is just one
part. I am going to get a chance
during the main motion. I will get
another chance to speak to the whole process.
I will get an opportunity to speak to the whole process, so I just want
to point out some more observations.
One of them, I have to go to the speaker before me, who
I think is a fine gentleman. I
certainly think he speaks passionately, but I take offence to one of the
statements he made. He said it was
embarrassing for one of our members to refer to something as pre-Confederation.
I think he obviously took it out of context.
I do not think he listened to what was said.
What I think is embarrassing is that one of our members
today asked a serious question on the College of the North Atlantic and asked
about how come students there get their acceptance letters later than others.
It was embarrassing that the minister was not allowed to answer it, and
that the Premier stood up and made an absolute mess of it, an absolute mess of
the question. In fact, defended it
by saying you want them to do more marketing but you criticized us for
marketing, and he could not see the difference.
You cannot see the difference in spending $53,000,
telling people how great you are and how great this Budget is, even though those
ads are misleading. Because they
forget the HST raise that is coming which is going to ding every one of those
seniors come the winter, I guarantee you.
Every one of those seniors are going to get dinged.
I find it embarrassing when we ask serious questions on
the College of the North Atlantic, on tourism, on small business, and on Child,
Youth and Family Services, of which the Premier was minister, and he stood up
today, put on the big show in front of everybody and made an absolute mockery of
it. He messed up every question
because he could not get an answer right.
The Member for St. Barbe asked, four times, a simple
question. It is unfortunate because
the Minister of CYFS, I am sure he likely knew the answer.
I am sure he likely wanted the chance to get up and give the answer to
the question so we would not have to waste four opportunities to do it, but no,
the Premier had to answer. The
Premier was formerly the Minister of CYFS.
He should have known it, but he did not.
The question I have is we are asking serious questions
and obviously some of what we say they are listening to, as evidenced by the
Minister of Health changing the ridiculous denture program that the Premier
endorsed just last year when he was the Minister of Health.
Obviously they are listening.
It is unfortunate during Question Period when we ask serious questions about
hotels burning down and how we should be probably doing inspections, and the
Premier stands up and says well, if we see an issue give us a shout.
Give us a shout if you see a problem.
I think that is embarrassing when the Premier does not
see fit to let people give proper answers to proper questions that we are
asking, and he has to stand up and put a show on and make a mess of it.
That is all it is; it is an absolute mess.
That is what I find embarrassing.
I guess it is a lot like this Budget.
When we hear some of the stuff that we hear, how great things are, things
are not so great. I would like to
see the ads probably be a little bit better and a little bit more honest, but I
guess at this point we will not be seeing that any time soon.
Thank you for the opportunity, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
motion is that the report of the Social Services Committee be concurred in.
Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On motion, Report of Social Services Estimates
Committee, carried.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I would like to call Motion 1 from the
Order Paper, move that the House approves in general the budgetary policy of the
government, the Budget Speech.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. George's – Stephenville East.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
REID:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is great to have another opportunity to speak on the
Budget, Mr. Speaker. I look forward
to speaking about some of the issues that impact directly on my district.
I also want to speak on some of the issues that I have responsibility for
as critic for agriculture and post-secondary education.
I also want to make some general comments, if I have time, about some
things that are in the Budget and the overall general direction that this
government is taking, Mr. Speaker.
We are back on the main motion again.
We have gone through a number of debates in this House.
We have talked about the Estimates.
We have done the Estimates Committees.
We have done the Concurrence debate where we go through the various
Resource Committees and the departments covered by them.
So we have done that and now we are back to the main motion again, the
Budget.
One of the things that I want to talk about is
something that impacts on my district a lot.
I presented a number of petitions about health care in this House.
I want to take a few minutes right off the top to talk about this topic
because it is a very important issue for the people of my district, especially
those who live in the Heatherton, Highlands, and St. George's area.
It was interesting to listen to the last speaker on the
other side speak about respect for seniors, the importance of seniors and what
government is doing for seniors.
Well, if you ask the seniors in the Heatherton and Highlands area who have not
had a doctor for about a year-and-a-half, I think that speaks for itself.
They have not had a doctor in a year-and-a-half.
If you talk to the seniors in St. George's, they have not had a doctor
for about half a year. It is a
serious issue that no one seems to be ready to address – no one seems to be
addressing it.
It is a serious problem.
When you talk about respecting seniors, the evidence is certainly not
there at the clinic in Jeffrey's and the clinic in St. George's.
Seniors – some of them well up in their eighties and nineties and one
lady I know over 100 – have had to travel long distances to see a doctor.
To get prescriptions filled people have had to travel all day, stay in a
waiting room all day, and have not been able to see a doctor.
It causes serious problems when people do not have a doctor in their
community. That is one aspect of
health care that is a very serious issue in the district, Mr. Speaker.
Today, I asked some questions in the House about the
College of the North Atlantic, some of the programs at the college and the fact
that they are not being promoted as good as they could be, Mr. Speaker.
These are concerns that people who work at the college have raised with
me. Some of them are in relation to
the movement of programs from the Stephenville campus to the St. John's campus.
People are telling me that they have concerns about the
way programs at the college are being promoted.
Instructors are left to promote their programs through social media
themselves. There does not seem to
be any sort of plan as a way to let the young people know in the ways that they
look at the media in terms of social media and things like that.
Programs are not being promoted in a way that young people would see
them.
Another issue that has come to me is the fact that
people who have applied to the College of the North Atlantic and other
institutions – they often apply to multiple institutions – often get letters of
acceptance from other institutions long before they receive their acceptance
from the College of the North Atlantic, Mr. Speaker.
Naturally, they are concerned if they are going to get accepted so they
often go to another college, a private college or a college outside the
Province.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
REID:
Someone is saying it is the staff at the college, Mr. Speaker.
It is the staff at the college who is bringing these concerns to me.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
REID:
Okay.
Mr. Speaker, when I raise these questions the reaction
that I got to the serious questions that I was asking – it is interesting that
the Premier's reaction was not to say okay, this could be a problem.
This could be a serious problem.
His reaction was to try to score some political points by trying to find
an inconsistency in it. It is sort
of disturbing that they would not take these concerns seriously.
Another issue that I raised during the Budget Estimates
was the idea of healthy foods in schools, Mr. Speaker.
I was pleased to hear the Member for Exploits talk about the Little Green
Thumbs program and the Rooting for Health program.
It is a very important program.
It is a very successful program.
It is something that this government is doing and doing right.
I was pleased to see the minister talk about that, Mr.
Speaker. I am also concerned that
the lack of locally grown vegetables, locally grown food, available in school
cafeterias.
We have seen an example of a private school in this
Province that received some media attention because they were serving healthy
foods in their schools. So I would
like the minister responsible for agriculture to think about: How can we do the
same thing in our public school system.
What has to happen to make healthy, locally grown foods, available in our
public school system? I do not think
that is happening now. I think we
have a long way to go, but I do not see any action being taken to make that
happen.
I guess this issue was sort of emphasised recently when
a pediatrician at the Janeway spoke out saying that more children are now
suffering from illnesses associated with overweight and obesity.
So it is obviously a serious problem that needs to be addressed and
action should be taken, Mr. Speaker.
I think, as well, in terms of other public institutions
where government has involvement, in terms of hospitals and places like this,
are there ways that we can promote locally grown food in these institutions?
I think these are things that we can do, that government can do, to help
the agricultural industry because I think it is important that we build critical
mass in the agriculture industry. By
promoting heathy foods in schools is one way we can do that.
I think there are a lot of possibilities in the
agricultural industry in this Province.
I talked to a lot of farmers in my district and they see numerous
opportunities; but when we look at how well we are doing, especially in areas
like vegetable production or meat production, we still have a long way to go.
Only a fraction of the food that we eat in this Province is locally
produced. So we have to find ways to
create a critical mass, the economies of scale, in the production of local foods
and healthy foods.
Those are some areas in terms of agriculture that I
think we need to be working on. Mr.
Speaker, I think the issues of healthy foods, agriculture, and health generally
– we often look at health care rather than health or wellness, so I think these
issues are really linked, are part of an overall approach that we need to be
taking in terms of health care and how we live.
Another thing I want to talk a little bit about is
post-secondary education, Mr. Speaker.
I think there is a lot of research – if you look at a lot of
jurisdictions around the world that are wealthy, that are healthy, that are
progressing, you see that investments in education is an area that really pays
off. It is interesting some of the
things that this government is doing in the Budget this year in relation to
post-secondary education.
If you look at what is happening at MUN, if you look at
the taking off of the tuition freeze, it is somewhat ironic that this
government, when they were freezing the tuition, they were taking credit for it;
but, as soon as the tuition freeze was taken off, they did not have anything to
do with, that was MUN's responsibility.
It was a Liberal government that implemented the
tuition freeze. It was a Liberal
government that started it. It was a
good policy because it is important to have affordable education in a society.
One of the things about education and investing in education is the
importance of equality of opportunity.
That is one of the basic principles of Liberalism, that people have
equality of opportunity. If you work
hard, you can get ahead, Mr. Speaker.
So having affordable education in a society is a very important aspect of
that.
I fear with the move that this government is taking
that we are moving away from that sort of affordable education.
We are moving to a situation like we have in some places in the US where
quality education is out of range for the average person, or a person from a
lower economic situation. I fear the
direction that this government is going in terms of making education less
affordable and making it more costly, Mr. Speaker.
I am very concerned about that.
Also, I am very concerned about the way that it happened.
I met with the Canadian Federation of Students before
the Budget came down. They were
concerned then, Mr. Speaker. The
reason they were concerned is because there was a lack of consultation with the
government. Government usually had
been talking to them before the Budget, but this time government was not talking
to them very much. It was a serious
problem and they realized it.
The fact that government was not having the same level
of dialogue with them shows the lack of respect, really, that government has for
student leaders. Some of these
student leaders, when I met with them, were suggesting possible solutions to the
problem, Mr. Speaker. It is
important to keep up the dialogue.
I am surprised that this government did not have any
consultation with students because if you look at the way they implemented the
increases to big game licences and the fees for outfitters, small-business
people in this Province, it was shocking.
The critics on our side for tourism and rural development have spoken out
against these drastic increases and the impact that they will have in rural
areas of the Province, and the impact that they will have on small-business
people, Mr. Speaker.
Before my time is up, I certainly want to talk about
the SERT Centre of the Marine Institute which is part of Memorial University.
It is a place in Stephenville where people can go to get firefighting
training for aircraft, for emergency rescue, and for marine services as well.
I am pleased to hear from the minister that the centre will not be
closing. I am also concerned that
some of the contractual employees – about a quarter of the employees at the
centre are losing their jobs, Mr. Speaker.
I am concerned about that.
I am also concerned that government does not seem to be
taking any action or any direct involvement in terms of looking for ways to make
this centre work, looking for win-win situations where they can help these
people keep their jobs, Mr. Speaker.
I think if government were to work with volunteer fire departments and the
Department of Municipal Affairs, there are ways they could help this centre and
help them continue to employ some of these very qualified people, which may be
lost to the area because the government is not working in a way to find
solutions to this problem.
I want to talk about another issue in the district as
well, and that is the situation with roads.
I had a private member's resolution a little while ago about waste and
mismanagement. I think the situation
with roads and road maintenance is a good example of waste and mismanagement and
how trying to save money in the short term, in terms of repairs, can often lead
to major problems and major expenditures in the long run.
There are a number of roads in my district that because
of the lack of summer maintenance in the area, little problems become big
problems. For example, in Flat Bay
last summer there was a little bit of erosion of the road, which could have been
repaired fairly quickly if it had been addressed in a timely manner.
Several months went by and before you knew it, the road was half gone.
The road was only repaired as it came time for the school to open and the
school bus driver and the people who own the school buses were saying: We are
not going to drive past that road; it is just too dangerous.
It was only then that the road was repaired.
There are many other situations like that throughout
the district where small problems have been allowed to become big problems, Mr.
Speaker. It is a case of being penny
wise and pound foolish. They are
spending a lot of money in the long run looking after problems that could have
been dealt with a little bit quicker.
I only have a minute-and-a-half left, but I want to
talk about this idea of the Generations Fund that was put forward in the Budget.
It is a good idea, it is a good concept, but I was disappointed that
there were no details on how to do it.
I am sort of disappointed that it is sort of twelve years late.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Five years out.
MR.
REID:
Yes, by the time it actually happens, maybe it will be seventeen years too late,
Mr. Speaker.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
That is if it is on time.
MR.
REID:
Yes, that is if it is on time. That
is if it ever happens. We may have
some changes before that time.
Mr. Speaker, it is rather discouraging that we have all
of this revenue come in from natural resources, one-time revenue – non-renewable
resources. The countries that have
managed their oil wealth successfully, Alaska, Norway, places like that, have
had these funds and they have had plans to manage the wealth that the natural
resources generate. It is rather
disappointing that we do not have a plan yet.
We just have an idea thrown out there because it seems to be popular,
without any layout of how it is actually going to be implemented.
MR.
SPEAKER (Verge):
Order, please!
MR.
REID:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Port de Grave.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MR.
KING:
Sorry, Mr. Speaker, that was my fault.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I am very happy to stand and speak for the final time
to the Budget. Mr. Speaker, I would
like to talk a little bit about the good people of St. John's Centre because
there are many stories from the people of St. John's Centre who are the epitome
of how the Budget affects their lives.
I think it is very interesting to hear from the
Minister Responsible for Seniors, Wellness and Social Development who says it is
much more difficult to be in government because you have to govern and you have
to make difficult decisions. I
believe he has a point there, Mr. Speaker, because in our particular
Legislature, it is government often who makes their decisions on their own
without any consultation from those of us who also have been elected by the
people in their districts, which points to the need for a better committee
structure so that when decisions are made, when legislation comes to the House,
particularly as it affects the lives of the people in our districts, we are able
to have input into that. We are able
to help iron out some of the bugs.
We are able to offer our insight from the lives of the people in our districts,
which would hopefully then make for much better legislation and perhaps even in
the budgetary process.
He does have my empathy when he talks about how
difficult it is for them to govern all on their own and to make decisions all on
their own, when there are a number of us here on this side of the House who are
very willing to help in that process.
One would think, particularly in these very difficult economic times,
that government would welcome that opportunity.
Mr. Speaker, that is how most Legislatures work in the Commonwealth all
over the world, committee structures where there is that input.
So I do say to the Minister of Seniors, Wellness and Social Development,
we are here to help him, if only this government would take advantage of that
opportunity.
Opportunities are also what I would like to speak about
here, Mr. Speaker. I have been
speaking about housing a lot. I also
feel so very honoured to be part of the All-Party Committee on Mental Health and
Addictions. When I presented my
private member's motion back in January calling for an all-party committee on
mental health and addictions, it was passed unanimously, one of the absolutely
rare occasions in this House of Assembly.
I feel again so honoured to be part of that process.
To be able to go out into the community to hear from our public sector
workers, to hear from people who are experts in their field, to hear from people
with lived experience, to hear from people in the non-profit sector who are
working on these issues, and to hear not only about the gaps and challenges but
to hear about potential solutions.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to talk about some of the
gaps that they may have identified.
I would also like to talk about some of the potential solutions.
What I would also like to do is invite every single Member of this House
of Assembly, when possible, to attend some of these public consultations for the
all-party mental health Committee.
Those members who are part of the Committee from government side, from
Opposition, from my party, we are learning a lot.
I think of how often I have stood in this House and talked about the need
for affordable housing and supportive housing.
Sometimes I can see members yawning or saying: Oh my God, there she goes
again. For the MHAs who have
actually attended some of these public consultations, they have all talked about
how much they have learned. It is an
honour to be able to hear from people in the community in a very organized way
about the needs for mental health and addictions.
One of the issues raised is the need for housing, for
affordable safe housing and for supportive housing.
What does that mean for us?
Because I say it over and over again and then we are hearing it, without
exception, almost exclusively from everyone who speaks to us: What does it mean
for us as legislators to talk about the need for affordable housing and to talk
about the need for supportive housing and the challenge that puts before us?
It means spending money, but it is money that we are
already spending. Because by not
spending that money, by not coming up with creative alternatives to people going
to hospitals, to people going to prisons, to people being incarcerated, then we
are spending far more money in reacting to problems than we would if we took a
preventative and a proactive stance.
In Corner Brook, the Mayor of Corner Brook and his
council has come up with an innovative, an absolutely brilliant way of dealing
with the housing crisis and the housing crunch in his community.
What he has done – he knows because of the drop in oil prices, we have
seen a reduction in the number of jobs in that industry, but the other thing
that the Mayor of Corner Brook is dealing with is that a number of his
constituents have been out in the Alberta oil fields for work and have been
making good money, and they have lost jobs as well.
So his concern is – they still have a housing crisis, but also he is
concerned about the reduction in the number of new housing builds.
So what he has done to stimulate the growth of housing
builds in his community is that he has a brilliant program where he and his
council have decided for new homes being built in this year, there will be no
fee for building permits, and also there will be no municipal taxes for a full
year after a house is built. They
will still pay water taxes and sewer taxes, but the new homeowners will not be
required to pay municipal taxes for the first year.
With not charging for building permits and then no municipal taxes, that
can save a new homeowner up to $3,000 in that one year.
That is a creative approach to a problem that is facing Corner Brook
right now.
He also feels that by building these new homes, it will
also ease the pressure on the existing housing market.
Mr. Speaker, it is a program that is a win-win for the municipality
because these homeowners will be paying municipal taxes after the first year.
They will be paying them for years and years and years.
It is a win situation for new homeowners who may be a little bit
economically challenged, and it is also a solution for people who are in the
housing market maybe for rentals or who are not going to build a brand new
house. By the addition of these new
houses into the market, it eases the pressure on the market.
The solution to the housing crisis, the solution to
homelessness is housing. There is no
other solution. The only way to
approach the problem of housing is to provide housing.
The only way not to be homeless is to have a home.
Mr. Speaker, we have to look at other ways.
Again, when the Minister of Seniors, Wellness and
Social Development said how hard it is to be government, to govern and to make
the really hard decisions, I am offering that if they were to, for instance,
have an all-party committee on housing to look at the housing crisis, there are
many of us here in the House who would try and help government to come up with
some of these creative solutions.
Another creative solution to housing would be – I have
called for this in the past two weeks, Mr. Speaker.
I have asked the Premier to call a halt, to call a freeze, on the sale of
all assets of Newfoundland and Labrador Housing.
So no more sale of land that is owned by Newfoundland and Labrador
Housing, no more sale of units that are owned by Newfoundland and Labrador
Housing, and no more sale of any public buildings or land that is owned by the
Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Halting the sale of any assets, Mr. Speaker, until government actually
has a full-scale, comprehensive housing policy and plan – they do not have that
right now. They have never had one.
I have called for that in the past three-and-a-half years asking for a
specific housing policy. There is
some sort of plan and strategy around social housing, but there is not an
overall housing policy.
Mr. Speaker, if government does a thorough consultation
and an analysis of the housing needs of the people of Newfoundland and Labrador,
and then looks at the assets that it has and to see how they can use some of
those assets to help alleviate the housing crisis that we have – in the same way
that the Mayor of Corner Brook, that Mayor Pender has done.
The Province also has to step up and do its part.
I believe that there are some really creative solutions that could come
of it.
We have schools that have been closed down, some of
which continue to be owned by churches, but also some that are owned by the
Province. When we look across the
country, particularly in BC, they have done some really creative housing
initiatives, particularly for people with complex needs, by renovating old
hotels, by renovating old buildings, and making them affordable and supportive
housing projects. We can do that.
I believe that we can do that.
There is an appetite, there is a willingness, and there is a commitment
from the non-profit voluntary sector to be at the table to participate in that.
We know also that many municipalities across the
Province are willing to step up to look at how they can also participate in
those kinds of projects. So the
provincial government can take a leadership role, Mr. Speaker, and look at those
assets and see is there a way that they can be used to help address the housing
crisis that we face. All these
things are so interconnected.
We also have perhaps some of the highest levels of
poverty here in the country. I have
brought this document to the House a number of times; it is called Newfoundland
and Labrador's Vital Signs. It is a
Province-wide checkup of the quality of life in Newfoundland and Labrador
communities for 2014. They tell us
some interesting things.
One of the things they look at is different aspects of
people's lives in our Province. They
look at housing. They look at income
gaps. They look at the arts.
They look at the business sector and the resource sector and how it
fares. They have experts from all
over the Province who have contributed to this document.
For those of my colleagues who have not had a chance to
take a look at it, I highly recommend it.
It gives us sort of a thumbnail sketch of what is happening in the
Province and what is impacting people's lives, what is preventing people from
being able to live fully and participate in our communities, but also what is
helping people to do that.
One of the things they looked at is the proportion of
people who are spending more than 30 per cent of their income on housing.
Mr. Speaker, CMHC, housing advocates, governments, and mortgage brokers,
everybody knows that people should not be spending more than 30 per cent of
their income on shelter.
In Canada, 18.5 per cent of people spend more than 30
per cent on their shelter, but in Newfoundland and Labrador 39.3 per cent are
spending more than 30 per cent. That
is almost 40 per cent of our people who are renters spend more than 30 per cent
of their income on shelter. That is
high. That is really, really high.
If you have people who are low-income earners, that
means they – I was speaking with a young couple.
He is working full time. They
have a baby. She is working part
time. She wants more work than that,
but it is very hard for her to find.
They are just scraping by. They are
not even scraping by. They are way
back on their municipal taxes because shelter is so expensive, couple that with
the cost of childcare and the cost of a car payment – for the most part, most
people have to have cars, particularly if they have children and if they work,
because our public transit system is not very strong here in the Province.
So they are having a really hard time.
No matter how hard they work, they cannot get ahead.
They cannot save for their own retirement.
They cannot save for education for their child.
They are just living hand to mouth.
We know there are so many people in that situation.
Again, a little bit earlier this evening I talked about
seniors. It is so interesting how
many seniors I have sat down with and where they take out their OAS cheque and
their GIS cheque, they take it out of their envelope to show me what they make a
month. They make about $1,000,
$1,100 a month. Then what they do is
show me the back of the envelope because every month what they do is look at the
statement of what their income will be and then they write down on the back of
the envelope what their expenses are for that month.
So many seniors that I have spoken with – and it is
kind of an interesting thing that many of them are doing the same thing – the
cheque comes out of the envelope, eventually they sit down and then write down
their expenses, and many of them, if they are renting, their income does not
meet their expenses. How many of
them talked about well, I owe money this month on my cable bill that I cannot
pay or I cannot pay off my heat and light bill, or I cannot buy good food.
Mr. Speaker, that is the reality of people's lives.
We know that housing is one of the social determents
that can push people into poverty.
It is my hope – and I know that everybody in this House, every single person in
this House wants to make sure that every person in Newfoundland and Labrador is
safely and adequately housed because we know if they are housed well that people
can get on with work, that people can get on with school, that people can get on
with their lives.
Mr. Speaker, it was an honour and very eye opening to
attend the housing and homelessness forum that Choices for Youth called on this
week. Many of us from this House of
Assembly were there. One of the
things that Sheldon Pollett – who is the Executive Director of Choices for Youth
and has done an incredible job – said the biggest barrier to government and
agencies doing the work that needs to be done about the housing crisis is that
people think, government, politicians, and policy makers think it is too hard,
it is just too hard, the problem is too big, we cannot take a chunk out of it,
they just tinker a little bit with it but that it is just too hard.
What Sheldon said was it is hard, but it is not as hard
as what we expect our youth to do, and our youth who live with so little money
who are homeless. It is also so hard
on seniors. The hard problem that we
must face is not as hard as the problem that people on low income like seniors,
like young working families, must face in order to house themselves.
What they face is much harder than the problem that we all have to work
on together.
Mr. Speaker, I know that together we can solve this
problem because others in Canada have.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
ROGERS:
We
have what it takes in order to do that.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am very happy to have a final opportunity to speak to
the main motion here of the Budget which is stated about a balanced approach.
In my view this is a real failure by the current government.
It reflects Tory economics and PC math.
If you look at and you read the Budget, the first thing
the Finance Minister has early up in the Budget is a culture of cost management.
If we look back over the history of the current government they have been
anything but. We have a bigger
Budget, more spending, increased spending again this year, and a bigger deficit.
The biggest deficit in the history of Newfoundland and Labrador brought
to you by this government.
One specific Blue Book promise that this government
campaigned on and said they would do is that we are going to control the rate of
spending by capping it: “Each year, in choosing Budget initiatives, we will
establish a ceiling for new spending growth and make our choices accordingly.”
The 2011 PC platform never acted upon.
We know that the former Finance Minister Jerome Kennedy has stated that
these promises are not really promises; these are things that we put in.
That an interview in The Telegram
that was done based on that.
If we keep going and we look at what was promised – or
I do not know, whatever was in that document, because they did not live up to
their commitments then. We see that
going forward in Budget 2015 they are certainly not living up to those
commitments of trying to at least curb some of the spending, cutting out some of
the waste, and showing how they could better manage the economy to create jobs
and to create better value.
I will go forward because the next thing in the
document talks about how government is going to save money by merging and
amalgamating aspects of the four regional health authorities and the
Newfoundland and Labrador Centre for Health Information.
Well the Newfoundland and Labrador Centre for Health Information is a
very interesting entity that was reviewed by the Auditor General years ago now.
It was found out that their salaries by this Crown corporation are way
out of whack with the public sector.
This entity, which has about sixty staff and has a small budget of a few million
dollars, compared their operations to Memorial University President and CEO,
compared it to the CEO of Eastern Health, which has millions if not billions of
dollars in terms of their budget and their expenditures over the same time
period, and the employees and the responsibilities that they have, compared
their salaries to be very comparable.
Gave themselves 100-plus per cent increase.
Despite the Minister of Health and Community Services
saying we have to rein this in and directing them to do so, they did not act
upon that. It has been years later
and we have not seen where their salaries have come in line with the public
sector. This is another area of
where there is waste and –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Who
was the minister?
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
The
minister at the time was the Minister of Finance today – all for the record.
So if we look at that and we look at how that is going
to save money, I would like for the current Minister of Health and Community
Services to table where they have found and where they have done their review to
show that there will be cost savings.
They have listed and said there is going to be 180 to 230 jobs lost in
this whole process.
We looked at, with the school board – this is the
government that amalgamated the four school boards and said that it would save
money. Yet, all the documentation
shows that there was no savings.
This is the same government that has amalgamated the school board, kept those
school board trustees that are appointees now of government, because certainly,
based on their constitution, they have been there too long.
Their terms have lapsed.
If we look at what needs to happen, there needs to be
an election called, but this government does not like to call elections.
They do not care about the dates and the constitutions and things like
that. No, no they will just allow
these entities to continue operating in a undemocratic fashion, where we really
do need to see – I do not think, when they did this, they even thought: Well,
how are we going to run a provincial school board election?
How much is that going to cost to allow people from all over the Province
to be able to vote? Before we had it
set up in certain ways and regions and whatnot.
Now, if we have elections and certain people are running from this region
or that region, they do not have a plan.
They have no idea. That is a
clear example of how the Minister of Education decided to make this move and the
savings just are not there.
I am working through the Budget, slowing working
through. The next thing it says is
long-range infrastructure plan.
Okay, that sounds nice; but as the Member for St. Barbe talked about and
highlighted, the Auditor General again slammed this government saying: Where is
the $5 billion infrastructure strategy that you said you had?
Went to go information, could not get the information.
Actually, it was withheld in many cases.
They could not get the information and the Auditor General at the time –
I believe it was Wayne Loveys – had clearly stated that the documentation was
not there. It did not add up.
Again, PC math.
It is certainly something that the Official Opposition,
our leader, and Liberals have been calling for is more long-term planning,
multi-year planning, and multi-year budgeting.
It is the right approach to actually deal with and plan for the long
term. It is a responsible, prudent,
and a good way to manage, unlike this government.
We talk about Strategic Deficit Reduction Plan – that
is what the Minister of Finance has in his Budget here, that there is going to
be some sort of strategic deficit, a reduction plan.
Well, let's just look; right here on Appendix III, Newfoundland and
Labrador Public Sector Debt, 2011 to 2015 – this is when the current government
was elected, or re-elected back to power – $7.3 billion in Total Public Sector
Debt at the time; 2015 – this is the preliminary numbers but they are quite
high, quite alarming – Total Public Sector Debt: $12.2 billion.
In just the four short years that they have been here,
since they have been re-elected, they have gone from $7.3 billion to $12.2
billion. If you look at the math
numbers and you look at their own document that is almost $5 billion in public
sector debt just in the term.
The Budget document then says over the next four years,
we have to borrow $4.85 billion.
That is almost $10 billion you are talking about really increasing total public
sector debt. Where is the Minister
of Finance in his Budget in prudent, fiscal, cultivating cost management showing
responsibility here when you are talking about borrowing that much more?
It is quite alarming of where those numbers are going to be based on the
fact that the population numbers are not going up.
We are not encouraging people to move here.
We are encouraging high-income earners or commuters to file taxes
elsewhere because you are increasing the tax on the wealthy, on those who are
commuting, who are paying significant amounts of money.
There are other things you are doing to encourage
people to go away because you have put the HST up – hiking that, putting the tax
back on home heating. There are so
many things in this Budget. I would
not get enough time, if I could stand on my feet and filibuster through this, to
be able to talk about every fee increase.
There are over 261 fee increases that is taking money
out of people's pockets. These are
things that go from drivers' licence plate fees increased.
You talk about things like people who have cabins, well those fees have
doubled if they are leased land; Crown land applications; moose licence fees for
residents – and for non-residents, that is a ding to the outfitting industry in
a big way. It is quite significant.
Everything seems to be gone up in the approach of this government.
I do not know how you can tax your way back to
prosperity, but this is what the current PC economics and their ideology is all
about. It is about taxing their way
back to prosperity. Liberal ideology
does not believe that. The Leader of
the Official Opposition said that we should not institute this HST increase
because the economy is at a fragile state.
When it comes to what happened in other jurisdictions, we have seen a lot
of things happen when it comes to the impact on the economy: more job losses; we
have seen more businesses roll back.
Under the leadership of the PC government right now,
under the current Premier, when he took office, business confidence was at an
all-time high across the country. In
Newfoundland and Labrador, we were leading the way – the day before he took
office. Now where are we?
We are down in sixth place.
We are almost tied with Quebec there to be at seventh place.
That is not a record when it comes to being a job creator, when it comes
to growing the economy, and this Budget does nothing to take us in that
direction.
There is hardly any talk about jobs in this particular
Budget.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible) cutting.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Except for the jobs that are being cut, the teaching units that are being
eliminated, jobs that are being lost – it is quite phenomenal.
When we talk about jobs, I would be remiss if I did not
bring up the forestry jobs because I have asked time and time again for them in
the House of Assembly. I look
forward to the meeting now – not when the minister stood up and said I had a
meeting. The meeting was scheduled
after the fact – after I stated that was not the fact, that the meeting was not
scheduled. It was requested, but it
was not scheduled.
The forestry jobs, where was it in Budget 2011 when
this government took office? Well, I
will tell you. In 2011, in The
Economy document, the GDP for 2009 in Budget 2011 states agriculture was valued
at $62.7 million, and forestry and logging was $105.1 million.
My math gives me a total of $167.8 million.
Employment – the 2010 employment numbers in that same document states
that there is 1,700 person years in agriculture, but there is only 900 person
years in forestry and logging. It
actually breaks down the numbers – 2,600 person years; and agriculture,
forestry, and logging accounts for 1.4 per cent total employment.
That was in 2011 Budget.
If we fast-forward to the Budget today – and I had to
break those numbers down separately because the Budget today lists agriculture,
forestry, and logging all together.
So, 2011 it was $167.8 million for the total amount – that is PC math, I guess.
Trying to put things together or not really being clear, open, and
transparent – but I will get to that, Deputy Premier.
The agriculture, forestry, and logging was $176.9
million. From 2011 to 2015 we see an
increase of $9.1 million. In four
years, the industry for agrifoods, forestry – it is quite alarming to see that
value placed in government documents, that it is not increasing at a level where
it should be. This is where the jobs
should be coming from, in such a renewable sector.
Where were the jobs – 2,200 person-years?
So we lost 600 person years in agriculture, forestry, and logging; but
take note, remember that the majority of those jobs were in agriculture, 1,700
person-years in the 2011 Budget documents.
So, the majority of jobs, when we look at it, the
minister and his staff are going to have a lot of explaining to do when it comes
to clarifying how we can now today give 5,500 jobs when we have seen a major
mill close, when we see sawmills close, we see people get out of the industry,
go work elsewhere in trucking or working on the Muskrat Falls Project, or
elsewhere. They are working in
Alberta, they are working elsewhere, and they are paying taxes or they move
their families elsewhere, making communities and municipalities less viable when
we have less people. That is not a
plan in how moving forward, if you are not creating jobs, you are failing.
Now, when you look at no details on those jobs and no
job plan, it is a real significant problem.
So when we look at that, we look at the money that has been expended, and
we look at the debt and the borrowing where it is going to be, and somehow
government miraculously thinks that in 2019-2020 that there is going to be a
half billion, another $400 million in increased retail sales and all of these
things with a smaller population and all of the other indicators going in the
wrong direction, it makes no sense.
I am going to have to ask the department, the statistics agency, to clarify some
of those numbers and I look forward to a briefing on that matter.
When we look at those numbers and we look at the jobs
that will be lost and the people who are actually looking for jobs because today
Nalcor stated that over 30,000 people have applied to work at the Muskrat Falls
Project, but there are only a little over 3,000 jobs.
That means that there are 27,000 people who are not able to get work at
that particular site. Once that
project is done, then those 3,000 jobs are gone.
Where are the people going to work – not only those 3,000 people but the
other 27,000 people who are looking for work?
We have not seen the Population Growth Strategy – we
have seen a lot of failings by this government.
One of the things that they try and tout is their openness and
transparency – it is in the Budget here – yet blocking public library board
minutes does nothing to instill confidence for the Newfoundland and Labrador
public library board association. I
will file a new ATIPP to try and get that information.
Cancelling the Office of Public Engagement Estimates,
deeming them to be voted on and now saying well, we will give a brief time in
debate in the Estimates for Executive Council to go back – we will re-write the
rules as we go along; we will make it up as we go along.
We have seen that before. We
have seen it with the Newfoundland and Labrador Centre for Health Information.
We have seen it with how we are going to do the school board elections,
how we are going to save money, how we are going to make sure that we have the
election on time. We have heard it
all before, but people are really losing faith in this government.
The Open Government Initiative – they are saying we are
going to have an Open Government Initiative by 2021.
No focus, useless and dated data that is on that website, quite
significantly – if they had a real caring for this when they launched it, they
would have had a plan. Rather, we
had a Steve Jobs's approach to sell it at a public event that cost thousands of
dollars. It is meaningless if people
do not get the information that they need.
If you look at a site like DataBC, DataBC and other
jurisdictions have been very serious about open data and open information where
they have mandated departments, Crown agencies, and all entities to make
available three new documents that were not publicly available previously,
whether it be a report – and we all know government has enough reports that are
collecting dust on shelves. Do you
know what? They are willing to spend
taxpayer money on selling and promoting their bad Budget for political, partisan
purposes, rather than use money to try and sell education at the College of the
North Atlantic and the vital programs to try and educate the population in a way
for jobs and opportunities that we would have here at home or to be able to
export opportunity for those people.
I think there is a real serious problem there.
There are several other areas that I would like to get
into about my own district and areas when it comes to the lack of infrastructure
and telecommunication, poor road conditions that exist, the lack of advocating
for things on this side when it comes to the federal government living up to its
promises around search and rescue, like Coast Guard radio, when it comes to
environmental matters like the Manolis L.
It is a matter of time before a catastrophic oil leak
will happen. Right now, we have
chronic leaks that are taking place that are already having negative impacts;
but if a catastrophic leak would take place, well then the commercial fishing
industry is shut down. That has
implications for members from the Northern Peninsula to the Notre Dame Bay
region, affecting many districts, many people's lives.
We are seeing a very weak stance from the other side when it comes to
where they stand on this particular issue and what they are able to do to get
the federal government to live up to a commitment of removing that oil.
We really do need to see greater action.
We need to see vision, but I do not think it is going to be this Budget
or this government that is going to be able to deliver on those.
They have surely had enough time.
Their track record proves it, right from the beginning: the amount of
debt that is being piled up and piled up; the failure to live up to commitments
that have been in campaign promises; the flip-flopping back and forth on things;
the cutting of programs, whether it be the Family Violence Intervention Court,
whether it be cutting the dental program, whether it be Bill 29 and saying:
Oops, we made a mistake, we are going back – and then making all these
infrastructure commitments like the Waterford, like courthouses, major pieces –
a Corner Brook hospital that you are not delivering on and then privatizing all
kinds of services. This is not what
the people signed on for when you made commitment for these major pieces.
We really do need to look at our assets and build
strategic entities and centres of excellence and move forward in a positive way.
The only way to do that is for everyone in this House of Assembly to vote
against Budget 2015.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
CROCKER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, anybody who knows me knows if you look at
the clock I am not usually up this late, but here goes anyway.
The last time I spoke on Budget 2015 I took a little trip down memory
lane and went through the Blue Book of 2011.
I was left with one page by the time I was done that afternoon.
So I just want to conclude on my Blue Book analysis from 2011.
It is page 75 of the Blue Book.
It is section 38, page 75, and it is called Accountability.
Our Commitment to Accountability, that is one of the headlines;
Government That Listens. The very
interesting point in the Accountability section of the 2011 Blue Book was Access
to Information and Protection of Privacy – Reform.
In the fall of 2011, the government is promising reform to Access to
Information and Protection of Privacy.
That was in the fall of 2011 and early in the spring of 2012 we got
reform to Access to Information legislation in the Province.
That reform was Bill 29.
A bill that just twenty-four hours ago, I guess, finally met its maker.
We had another little celebration; I think it was the second celebration
or the third celebration around Bill 29.
Over $1 million later, Bill 29 is gone and have now the most progressive
legislation in the country. Too bad
it took three years and $1.4 million.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
They should have listened to the Liberals a long time ago.
MR.
CROCKER:
If
they had listened to the Leader of the Liberal Party back in the spring of 2012,
they would have understood at that time it was a piece of bad legislation.
It was our Leader that left the House of Assembly after the filibuster
ended – and it is interesting to remember how the filibuster did end.
It ended very much Stephen Harper style.
Stephen Harper is known to have used closure in the House of Commons more
than any other Prime Minister in history.
Back in the spring of 2012, the government stole a page from Stephen
Harper's book and brought in closure.
I guess it came from when the former Premier was dancing with Prime
Minister Harper on the stage at the Sheraton.
Mr. Speaker, we look now at the government and the
plan, Balancing Choices for a Promising
future – it is a five-year plan.
It is very interesting. It is a
five-year plan and what the plan is doing is fixing the past twelve years.
We have been a government for twelve years – sorry, they have been a
government for twelve years and now, all of a sudden, they need five years to
fix what they did in the last twelve years.
I was in a local gas station here in the city this
weekend and I saw the little tree air fresheners called new-car scent which is
one of the ones you can buy. Mr.
Speaker, when you go out and buy a new car, you get the new-car scent.
When your car is twelve years old, the only way to get a new-car scent is
to buy the air freshener, but all the air freshener does is cover up the stink.
It covers up the previous twelve years.
They are looking for the new-car scent – twelve years, they need the
new-car scent. I am not sure, Mr.
Speaker, if there is enough little tree air fresheners out there.
Just a little while ago, there was an election in
Alberta. The people of that province
had enough of the Progressive Conservative government and they quite quickly
removed them after forty-two years of power.
One of the comments that goes back to that election: This government has
grown too old, too entrenched, too entitled, and too arrogant.
I can draw similarities, Mr. Speaker, to our own Province when we look at
the current government and where we find ourselves today.
One of the things the government always throws back at
us as the Opposition is: Where would you save money?
What would you do differently?
Well, Mr. Speaker, just a few small things – and where I come from, small
things are important. Because if you
watch your pennies, the dollars will look after themselves.
It is a culture of responsibility when it comes to finance.
We have schools in this Province with the heat still on.
There is a school in my district that has been closed for three years and
the bell still rings for every period of the day –
MR.
HILLIER:
Tell us about people setting their watches.
Tell us that that.
MR.
CROCKER:
People can set their watches by it, yes.
I say to the member, that is a fact.
Mr. Speaker, we look back no further than this past
September – I guess it was September when the new Premier came in and brought
his air freshener with him and he appointed the Minister of Justice and Public
Safety. He went outside of elected
officials – we had a number of by-elections in the fall, lots of opportunities
for the minister to run, but the minister was not interested in running.
After pressure from the Opposition throughout the fall and certain moves
the government had to make to try and restrain some of the cost, the minister
was let go. There was a cost
associated, for certain, for an unelected minister.
There were business cards: the Minister Responsible for Public Safety and
Justice – not elected.
Anyway, Mr. Speaker, school board office space is one
that I find very interesting.
Earlier tonight, one of the members on our side talked about the unelected
school board that has been there now for way too long.
The interesting thing I find about the English school board in the
Province is their office space.
Let's think about it. Where is the
most expensive office space in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador?
I bet you it is on Water Street.
Not only is it on Water Street, it is probably in Atlantic Place.
Mr. Speaker, that is where the English School District
offices are to: Atlantic Place on Water Street.
I do not know –
MR.
REID:
(Inaudible).
MR.
CROCKER:
Exactly, I say to the Member for St. George's – Stephenville East, there is an
empty school in my district actually that they can certainly use.
We would be happy enough to have the economic development in Heart's
Delight-Islington if they moved the school board offices to the empty school
building. Mr. Speaker, more waste.
Just a few weeks ago, we stood in the House and we
entered a private member's resolution calling for the elimination of salaries
for parliamentary assistants and parliamentary secretaries.
We are the only Province in Atlantic Canada that pays our parliamentary
secretaries and our parliamentary assistants.
If the government was serious about saving money, they would eliminate
the pay for parliamentary secretaries and parliamentary assistants – a
commitment that this party has made to do if we form a government.
Mr. Speaker, I spent six years driving back and forth
to the city every day. Of those six
years, 2,200 or 2,300 days, I drove by the moose warning system out by Gushue's.
The only thing permanent about the moose warning system by Gushue's was
the out of order sign. That was
another $1 million of taxpayers' money, gone, wasted.
Back last spring, Mr. Speaker, I remember being here,
working here in this building, when we had a leadership race that was on –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
It
was off.
MR.
CROCKER:
It
was on and it was off.
We had a contractor, a private business, in this
Province get off with their insurance policy.
In a matter of six or seven hours, their bonds were returned to them.
No difference, Mr. Speaker, than this week we see the government is
paying an insurance policy on an asset that if the asset were destroyed by fire
tonight, nine chances out of ten we are not getting any money because our
insurance or our lien is on a smaller piece of the asset.
Again, I think it was $85,000 last year for insurance and $65,000 this
year.
Mr. Speaker, we saw a Winter Ready campaign by Nalcor.
I think it was $400,000 of taxpayers' money for Winter Ready –
MR.
HILLIER:
To
tell us they were ready.
MR.
CROCKER:
To
tell us that they were ready.
The ironic part of that, I recall the morning that it
was proven that we were not ready, I was in Gander along with members of the
Opposition – we were out to a FFAW rally about LIFO.
That morning it was quickly proven that we were not ready, so $400,000
later we are not ready – interesting, Mr. Speaker.
I am just going to read some headlines here, if
everybody would indulge me for a few minutes, while I have some time left:
“Government pays $53K for ads to promote budget.”
It is interesting; it reminds me of the federal Conservative Party.
They have spent tens and tens of millions of dollars promoting themselves
in self-serving ads because nowhere in the ads – and I have heard these ads on
local radio stations – is there any reference to the 2 per cent hike in HST –
missed.
One of the biggest components of the Budget, almost a
$200 million tax grab, and there is no reference in the ads.
Nowhere in the ads does it say –
MR.
FLYNN:
What about borrowing the billion dollars?
MR.
CROCKER:
No,
not in the ads – the borrowing the billion dollars is not in the ads.
The ads are sort of selective.
It is selective ads.
Marketing at Nalcor – the equivalent of twelve
government departments. Sure Nalcor
is somewhat separated from government but –
MR.
HILLIER:
Where are they getting the money?
MR.
CROCKER:
Exactly, I say to the Member for CBS; where do they get their money at?
Who is lending the money to Nalcor?
It is collectively all of our money.
The interesting part of it about is the government is saying well we are
going to recoup all that money by 2025.
Great, we are going to recoup it all; but if we were not just throwing
some money away on ads and stuff, maybe we would get it back by 2024.
We could save money and get it back a year earlier.
That would be one year earlier that we would have money going back into
the Treasury from Nalcor.
We just do not have to spend it because we have it.
That seems to be this government's attitude: spend because we have it.
We all see this in people I guess, or in the population – some people
have issues with money management.
Spend it because we have it
A rainy-day fund – the government decides now after
twelve years in government, five more years of deficit, $14 billion, almost $15
billion net debt by the time we get to 2021 that we are going to put away a
rainy-day fund. So we are going to
be almost $15 million in debt –
MR.
HILLIER:
Billion.
MR.
CROCKER:
Billion, did I say million? Oh I am
sorry, billion. We are almost going
to be $15 billion in debt and government now is going to do a rainy-day fund.
MR.
HILLIER:
The
Member for Lab West would be embarrassed (inaudible).
MR.
CROCKER:
Yes, he should know about millions and billions.
Ironically, Mr. Speaker, I heard the member today for
Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune get up and everything is rosy in her district.
Well, look no further than the list of the worst roads in Atlantic
Canada: Route 480, the Burgeo Highway.
MS
PERRY:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER (Cross):
The
hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune, on a point of order.
MS
PERRY:
He
is referring to ancient facts now, Mr. Speaker.
Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune has received thirty-three kilometres of paving
in that section of road (inaudible) –
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
MR.
CROCKER:
Mr.
Speaker, for a government that likes looking back, the ancient facts was
actually on May 6, 2015 at 4:00 p.m.
So if that is ancient, I am pretty old.
That is less than a month ago, I say to the member.
MS
PERRY:
A
point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune, on a point of order.
MS
PERRY:
The
money was approved in 2014.
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Member for Trinity – Bay de Verde.
MR.
CROCKER:
There are opportunities for members opposite to speak on the Budget, so I would
appreciate that she give me my time.
Mr. Speaker, this afternoon in Question Period, I asked
a question of the Premier about small business confidence in this Province.
The Premier got up – eighteen months of consecutive job losses, 18,000
jobs lost year over year, and the Premier's response was this: “Mr. Speaker, we
are working very hard to sustain the very strong economy that we have built in
Newfoundland and Labrador.” That is
the Premier's words, Mr. Speaker.
The Premier said “the very strong economy.”
Well, Mr. Speaker, maybe when the Premier gets an
opportunity, he can look at his own Budget document and he does not have to go
very far, not far at all in his own Budget document.
He can go right here of the glossy – this glossy we have here, I guess,
are the highlights of the Premier's own Budget, page 7, in our very strong
economy.
I do not think we have a very strong economy when we
have real GDP in this year down 0.3 per cent; Newfoundland and Labrador
Employment down 1.5 per cent. The
unemployment rate is the only thing going up this year.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
CROCKER:
The
only thing going up is the unemployment rate –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
The
HST.
MR.
CROCKER:
Also the HST, and the debt.
Capital Investment is flat; Consumer Price Index is
flat. Mr. Speaker, we can look to
the expectations – no growth in the economy, unemployment is up, household
income is expected to increase by 0.2 per cent; but while household income
increases by 0.2 per cent, taxes will increase by 2 per cent.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
CROCKER:
Yes, inflation will wipe all of that out and we will have a 2 per cent tax
increase. That tax increase is going
to hurt the most vulnerable in our society: our low income and our seniors.
The government gets up and talks about how in October we are going to
give them back $300 in a tax credit.
Mr. Speaker, a $300 tax credit in October sounds
wonderful. What about in February
when seniors – when my grandmother has to buy a tank of oil and that is gone up
2 per cent? That $300 in October is
not going to help her. What is it
going to do for a low-income family in September when they need to buy sneakers
and clothes for their children to go back to school?
That $300 in October is not going to help them then.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Wait until January and it is 10 per cent.
MR.
CROCKER:
Yes, wait until January and it is 10 per cent on your light bill, Mr. Speaker.
Just imagine.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
CROCKER:
Exactly, even when it comes to health and wellness, the swimming pool rates in
this Province are up to a level where we are seeing swim clubs saying we cannot
survive. We cannot do this.
We cannot have meets this year.
It is amazing, Mr. Speaker.
You also look at the other factors, like they always
get up and say: What are the Liberals going to do?
Well, we have had a lot of say about policy.
They have not been listening.
Well, I should not say they have not been listening because they have been
listening because they listened on full-day kindergarten.
They listened to that. They
brought in full-day kindergarten after the Member for Virginia Waters and the
Member for St. John's North spoke about full-day kindergarten for years.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CROCKER:
They talked years about full-day kindergarten.
All of a sudden, there is a by-election and the bulb comes on: I think we
will do full-day kindergarten. It is
time to do full-day kindergarten.
We were promised a seniors' advocate, that is a policy
commitment; a mental health strategy; a youth entrepreneur retention program; a
business investment tax credit; MHA pension reform.
Now, who heard about MHA pension reform?
The first I heard of MHA pension reform was last June
in Gander when the Leader of the Official Opposition announced a policy on MHA
pension reform. Now, all of a
sudden, the government has adopted that policy, and congratulations to them.
There are others they should give us a call about and maybe we can help
them out with those too, like parliamentary secretary and parliamentary
assistant pay.
They talk over there day in and day out about
fundraising, fundraising this and fundraising that.
Well, Mr. Speaker, it is the Leader of our Party that is committed to
campaign finance reform. They
committed to it twelve years ago –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CROCKER:
They committed twelve years ago.
Ironically, it is not mentioned in the five-year plan.
I guess it is a seventeen-year commitment, so maybe in the 2019 post
campaign, Mr. Speaker.
A Premier's forum on municipalities, another commitment
from our party and our leader; the feasibility study on a fixed link to Labrador
– I can go on all night, Mr. Speaker, but my time is running out and I would
love to have some more, if they would like to give me some leave, but I will
conclude on my critic's role and where we are in this Province when it comes to
small business.
We have the lowest business confidence we have had in
years. When the Premier took over in
September we were the highest in the country; today, we are tied for number
seven. We have 13 per cent of
businesses in this Province saying they are going to hire in the peak of hiring
season this spring.
Mr. Speaker, this government has missed the boat.
At the end of the day, I do not think that little tree, new-car smell air
freshener is going to work.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Torngat Mountains.
MR.
EDMUNDS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is certainly an honour to speak to the Budget.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
EDMUNDS:
I
listened while there were a lot of questions asked over this session of the
House sitting. The questions where
there were no answers, where the members across the way did not know the
answers, they would always talk about how they are committed to the region and
that they are still committed to the region.
So I would like to talk about commitment – some of the commitments that
this government has made over the last twelve years if I can go back that far,
but maybe I do not even have to go that far because I only have twenty minutes.
Mr. Speaker, let's talk about the Muskrat Falls Project
and its announcement. I heard
government and I also heard Nalcor say that there will be no environmental
impacts downstream. Government said
it, I remember the former minister stood up and said it, and we hear officials
from Nalcor say it.
The mercury level in Lake Melville is at a moderately
high level, and that is from a project upstream.
Actually, I think it is 340 kilometres away that rose the mercury levels
in Lake Melville. This project,
being on the doorstep of Lake Melville, there will be no environmental impacts.
There were groups that had concern over this, Mr. Speaker.
The reason why – and I mentioned this many times – the reason why is the
2,500 fathoms of subsistence fishing gear that goes out in Lake Melville every
summer; enough to span the lake, I think, six times, to do some comparisons.
There was a concern that the mercury level would reach
0.05 parts per million, I think was the level.
The former Minister of Environment and Conservation, my colleague, the
Member for Harbour Main, stood up and said: When we reach that point, health
Labrador guidelines will kick in.
Certainly, we do not want to see that happen.
We would not want to see that happen.
It is thankful that the Aboriginal groups have actually
taken upon themselves to do some baseline studies.
Samples are being collected during the summer months.
I think Nalcor and this government had a small change of heart, Mr.
Speaker, because they have gone out since and I think they have started taking
hair samples from individuals who volunteered.
So I do not know if they are contradicting their own statement or if
there really is a concern and they are going to try and monitor it.
So it is good to see activity.
Again, where was the commitment to the subsistence
fishermen who put their fishing gear out in Lake Melville?
Where is the commitment to these people?
Still on Muskrat Falls, Mr. Speaker, I heard many
members talk across the way about the thousands and thousands of jobs that would
come with the Muskrat Falls Project, and there were.
My hon. colleague, the Member for The Straits – White Bay North, talked
about 3,000 jobs. Now, there were
also 27,000 more who applied, as he just stated.
Let's talk about where the project is, Mr. Speaker.
It is in Labrador. It is in
my colleague, the Member for Lake Melville's district.
The reason why this project is going ahead is because there was an
Agreement-in-Principle with the Innu Nation, the New Dawn Agreement, and that
there would be a priority of how jobs were allocated.
This priority was designed through the government, through Nalcor, and
through the Aboriginal groups. Mr.
Speaker, that priority said the Innu Nation, Labrador, Newfoundland, and the
rest of Canada. What we are still
seeing is that Nalcor, which is a Crown Corporation, has abandoned its own
guidelines, its own policy.
I am sure the members across the way, the Member for
Lake Melville, the Member for Lab West – I know my colleague, the Member for
Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair, has a stack of people who are looking for jobs in
Muskrat Falls who are from Labrador.
Well, these people looked at the priority in which jobs were allocated.
They looked at it and they said: Oh look, we have a chance.
We come to find out that is not true.
Again, where is the commitment?
Where is the commitment that you talk about?
Just to go on a little farther, Mr. Speaker, let's talk
about the first shipment of ore into Long Harbour.
It reached a milestone; it is part of our history.
This took a long time. I
think it was three or four years overdue; I stand to be corrected.
Over the course of the delays in the Long Harbour project, there were
allowances for ore from Anaktalak Bay or as we so commonly know it, Voisey's
Bay, that went on to Sudbury. The
latest shipment – I think it was 93,000 tonnes – government allowed Vale to ship
to Sudbury because the plant was not ready in exchange for $230 million that
government would (inaudible) –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
EDMUNDS: –
and
to keep the mine working, yes. We do
not disagree with that, but let's talk about commitment.
This agreement was a little bit late, but it got done.
It got done in a few years.
We talk about another agreement that took a little bit
longer; it took thirty-five years.
If that agreement had not been signed, there would be no ore going into Long
Harbour today. It took thirty-five
years. It was eventually done.
They took a fast track. There
were three signatories on that agreement, on the Land Claims Agreement; and
there were signatories on the Vale agreement.
We talk about commitment and we talk about
consultation, and the agreement clearly stated that government to government
there must be a duty to consult. The
Nunatsiavut Government, I think they got a fax the night before; this was this
government's idea of consultation. I
think being told take us to court, you are going to lose anyway – this is not my
definition of consultation.
When you talk about commitment, you look at what the
government commits to, you cannot make commitments and then totally ignore them.
A commitment can be interpreted as a signature.
It could be interpreted as an agreement.
Like I said earlier, these are not agreements of circumstance.
You cannot apply them when you feel fit.
These are signed, binding, legal agreements.
What we have seen, Mr. Speaker, is that they have walked away from them.
It leads to breakdown in communications.
It clearly defines a definition of arrogance in some cases.
It is not something that the people of this Province should have to live
with when they look at a government.
I would like to stay on commitments, Mr. Speaker; it
seems like there is a theme here.
Let's talk about the new vessels in our Province.
I love it that this Province, this government, has gone halfway through
its replacement strategy for new vessels.
I say half way because I listened intently when the minister made their
announcements of new vessels – they are $25 million more than maybe they should
be, for some of them, but they are here.
I remember when the RFPs went out, the former minister
of works, services, the Member for Labrador West said: It is a complicated
process. I have talked about this
before, but he also said, very clearly: We are not touching infrastructure, not
up your way. We are not touching
infrastructure. We are not going
there. This is what he told us. He
said: We will give you the vessels.
Mr. Speaker, Fogo Island is waiting for the
MV Veteran to come across from where
it is being built. I watched
longingly as the government made the announcement about a new wharf and new
infrastructure. They announced it in
the Budget. Just last week, I think
Change Islands is getting new wharf work and new infrastructure – Rencontre
East; sorry, Mr. Speaker. That is
the place that is getting it.
I do not doubt for a second that these areas need
upgrades. We have a very lucrative
tourism industry that stretches from St. John's right up to Nain – up past Nain,
up into the Torngat Mountains National Park.
To be told by this government no, you are not getting any infrastructure,
then they turned around and said you are not getting any boats was not what I
call fair around our Province.
We had an RFP that went out.
It was a complicated process.
I watched as they laid the keel for the MV
Veteran and the MV Legionnaire. Then I
watched his government take the RFPs for Northern Labrador and Southern
Labrador, The Straits, completely off the table.
They disappeared. We call
them missing RFPs.
There is obviously no intent in the near future to look
at it. As a matter of fact, one of
the stall tactics, I think they are revamping the Labrador travel advisory
committee that already have submitted thirty-five recommendations to this
government. I guess if you could
take the recommendations off the shelf and blow the dust of them, you might see
some valid recommendations. This
government chose not to implement a single one of them.
Mr. Speaker, every time I asked about the Northern
Strategic Plan, I am being told that it is being worked on.
This is what they define as commitment.
To me, when you are looking at guidelines, or agreements – let's take one
of the companies that bid on the contract, which again, to me, was another
violation of the Land Claims Agreement.
When it comes to the Request for Proposals for industry
in Nunatsiavut, the Land Claims Agreement clearly states that if an Aboriginal
company submits a proposal that is acceptable, they shall get a look in.
Mr. Speaker, it also states that if the bid is a qualified a bid, not
only shall they be looked at, they shall get the contract.
It is stated right there. The
company shall get the contract. It
is not the company may, or the company could; it says the company shall.
What did this government do, Mr. Speaker?
They told this company, an Aboriginal company, that your bid is no longer
being entertained. You are taken off
the list. You are taken off the
short list. The whole list was three
proposals long, Mr. Speaker. They
removed them.
This is what you call commitment?
Mr. Speaker, there is definitely room for improvement.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Lip
service.
MR.
EDMUNDS:
Yes, pure lip service, Mr. Speaker, and now there is not even an RFP.
Now we have nothing to look forward to.
Like I said, Mr. Speaker, this government certainly has
to look back at its record when it comes to commitment in some areas of the
Province. We applaud any forward
movement in any other areas of the Province, but I feel that every area of this
Province should be entitled to the same commitment and not a level of commitment
that is between one and ten – it is ten in some areas of the Province and zero
in some others of the Province. They
have a commitment to all of this Province.
They cannot decide who they can pick and choose, Mr. Speaker, like they
are doing, because it shows – and the people of this Province will make that
decision in the very near future.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.
MR.
LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to stand on my feet once
again and speak to the Budget. I
guess this is our final opportunity.
I just want to start off to briefly talk, in a general sense, of where we are
coming to with this year's Budget. I
can remember standing in the House of Assembly back in 2013 – actually no, last
year, 2014. At that time I can
remember standing and talking about the $1 billion shopping spree, and it was
because government was going to borrow $1 billion in 2013 for the Budget.
As it turned out, we ended up borrowing $1 billion and
then, as we got through the year, we were predicting a $650 million deficit.
So that is really $1.65 billion.
Then, of course, when the price of oil went down and production went down
we ended up with over $1 billion deficit.
I have heard members opposite talk about the fact that
they believe that none of this could be foreseen, nobody knew this was coming,
but I think it is important to point out that when oil was actually, I think,
$105 a barrel, at that time we were still predicting a $650 million deficit.
The fact that oil tanked, the prices tanked, just made the situation
worse than what it actually would have been; but to simply say it was because of
oil, because it was that unforeseen drop – I agree and we all agree it was an
unforeseen drop. We all agree with
that. To suggest that was the total
cause of this certainly is not true.
It made it worse, but it was not the cause.
As I said, we would have been $650 million in the red even if it had
stayed at $105 a barrel.
I think it is important to sort of look at it starting
from that premise. Of course, in
this year's Budget we are going to borrow $2 billion – instead of $1 billion,
now we are going to borrow $2 billion.
We are seeing in the Budget documentation that there is going to be
another $2.65 billion again over the next couple of years.
We are basically going to be into about an additional $5 billion.
That is based on the fact that we can trust the numbers because we cannot
seem to get the numbers necessarily right from one year to the next, or even on
a quarterly basis, but predicting out the next two or three years an additional
$2.65 billion is very concerning, to say the least.
At the same time that we have incurred these deficits,
at the same time that we are borrowing all of this money – and it is being
predicted that oil prices, certainly at some point in time, is going to
stabilize and rise, but it certainly is not going to happen this year.
I think the government is projecting it will be a couple of years out.
Not just for oil prices to rise, but for production to go up because we
have two issues here.
We have the price of oil that has gone down, but in
addition to that we have the actual oil that we are extracting from the offshore
that has gone down – the production – because Hibernia has sort of peaked and is
gone the other way and so on. We
know there are other projects on the horizon that are going to be coming to
fruition, God willing, in the next couple of years.
When production numbers go up again and hopefully prices stabilize and
rise again, we will have money at that point in time.
We certainly hope so – although there are certainly no guarantees that
that is going to happen.
In the meantime, at the same time that all this is
occurring, our spending has not changed at all.
As a matter of fact, it has gone up.
It has not gone up a lot. I
think it is a couple per cent. I do
not have the exact number in front of me.
I think it is up by 2 per cent or 3 per cent, whatever the case might be.
Much of that is probably attributed to the fact that employees have
collective agreements, their wages have gone up, and other things have gone up.
That is reasonable. I
understand that, but the fact of the matter is the spending has not ceased in
any way at all.
We know a couple of years ago, when we ran into tough
financial times even then, the government at the time, we know there were a
number of layoffs and so on that occurred.
We know there was a lot of spending that was cut in a lot of areas.
I know there was spending that was cut in some of the areas, like roads'
budgets went down, fire and emergency services went down, and so on.
I understand roads are important, absolutely.
I totally get it. When Mount
Pearl receives its share of multi-year capital, I am the first one to say I am
glad that we got that money. I am
sure every member feels the same way.
Every one of them does. Of
course they want to have roads done in their districts.
I understand, in terms of fire and emergency services, we all understand
the role that fire departments play throughout our Province.
We understand the need for those fire departments to have the proper
equipment and the trucks and whatever they need; but it is interesting that at a
time when oil prices are down, production is down and we are borrowing $2
billion, we actually reinstated the spending levels in those areas back to where
they were, if not even slightly increased.
We are actually spending as much or more money than what we did a couple
of years ago even though we are in this same financial circumstance.
Why would that be? I do not
know. That is up to the government,
obviously, to answer.
Some people might speculate it is because we are into
an election year and so on. That
could be a reason why we want to make sure we get as much pavement pumped out
the door as we can, and a fire truck in every community.
We are certainly seeing lots of announcements.
I am not suggesting that they do not need that equipment and so on, but
it is interesting that in the year when we are facing these deficits and
restraints and so on, that this spending is occurring and it is actually
increasing.
It is also interesting that last year – because we were
just starting to get into this financial mess that we are in – that the Premier,
the current Premier, froze discretionary spending.
Now here we are into a new Budget, a few months later, borrowing $2
billion, projecting to have to borrow a lot more, and all of a sudden the
discretionary spending freeze is off.
Now, all of a sudden, we can spend, spend, and spend.
Those things just seem to contradict themselves.
I guess that is the only point that I am making, Mr. Speaker, that those
things seem to contract themselves.
I guess it will be up to people to try to understand why that would be and
people can speculate and so on. It
does contradict itself, and it is important to point it out.
Mr. Speaker, I want to just speak for a few minutes
about seniors. I think that is a
very important area we should all be speaking about.
I have heard a number of members on our side and I heard a number of
members on the other side talk about seniors.
I am sure we all want to do what we can for seniors.
We all have moms and dads and grandparents and so on – and, God willing,
knock on wood, we are going to be seniors ourselves, if we are lucky.
Not everybody gets to be a senior; the alternative is not such a great
one. Not everyone gets to be a
senior, but the majority, on average, of us will be seniors someday.
What we are doing now is going to impact us all.
It is important that we do all that we can for seniors, recognizing the
times that we are in.
I just want to say that simply renaming a department to
the Department of Seniors, Wellness and Social Development, while that might be
a nice thing to do – and I am not against it.
I am certainly not against naming the department and having seniors put
in the name because they are an important part of our society, but simply
changing the name on the department is not doing anything to address the issues
that seniors face. It is not going
to do anything.
We do know that in October 2011 there was a commitment
by the government to have a seniors' strategy; $100 million was budgeted, or was
said would go towards a Seniors Strategy.
We have not seen that seniors' strategy.
Every time we raise the issue around that all we hear about is oh, we
care about seniors and so on. I know
they do. Like I said, they have
moms, dads, grandparents, and some of them are seniors themselves, maybe, or
pretty close to it. No offence, but
whatever –
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR.
LANE:
It
is all good. I am not going to name
members.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible) targeted.
MR.
LANE:
Not
targeted at all, I say to the minister, not at all.
Mr. Speaker, when we talk about this and we say we are
just going to do more for them, I think there needs to be something a little
more concrete and we need to actually have a plan.
There was supposed to be a strategy and that strategy did not happen.
Simply naming a department is not going to help us deal with the issues
that seniors are facing.
I have heard many members – I have heard the Member for
St. John's Centre on many a times raise issues about seniors.
I kind of like the way she does it, because she puts a human face to it.
She will say here is Mary's situation, she talks about that, and I think
it is a good thing.
I have met a number of Marys myself and I know other
members have too, people in similar situations, seniors who are struggling to
make ends meet. Whether they are
having issues, like you said, around just simply not receiving enough money to
live on. Some of them might have
worked their whole life and they have a very small pension.
Because of the fact that they have a very small pension, it is just
enough that they do not qualify for anything.
When we talk about some of these government programs
like REEP, the Provincial Home Repair Program, the accessibility grants, and all
of those things – they are all wonderful programs.
Absolutely, I cannot argue with that.
I have actually had seniors in my district who have availed of those
programs, and I think they are wonderful programs.
I would never suggest that we stop doing it because we need to do it.
There are a lot of seniors because of the fact that
they may have worked their whole life and garnered a small pension from their
work, they made just enough that they over that threshold that they do not
qualify for any of it. A lot of them
would say to you: I do not qualify for that.
I do not qualify for a drug card – or certainly not the full coverage.
Some of them do not qualify at all.
I do not qualify necessarily for the Home Heat Rebate, the seniors'
benefit, and all that stuff. When
you add up all those things, they would say: Do you know what?
If I never worked – if I had decided that I am not going to work, I am
not going to contribute, and therefore I am not going to pay into a pension of
any kind, if I had made that decision, I would have been probably better off
than I am today. I am actually being
penalized for having a small pension.
When we see those situations I think it is important
that maybe one of the things we have to look at are the thresholds.
Not the programs, they are good programs, but maybe the thresholds have
to be adjusted to a reasonable rate so that our seniors are not living in
poverty.
We do have seniors living in poverty.
I was on the phone with a senior only last week and she was crying on the
phone. I am not exaggerating for the
purposes of the House of Assembly or Hansard.
I am very sincere when I say she was crying on the phone because of the
struggle she was going through just trying to survive from day to day with
housing, food, medication. She
actually was just getting over cancer, very ill in health, and having to make
choices around do I eat, do I take my medication, do I pay the heat, do I turn
it off, do I go to the Village Mall and hang out there all day because I cannot
keep the heat on in the house – and I know we have heard these stories and so
on. I know all members have heard
it.
When we say this, this is absolutely not political,
this is not exaggerated, this is not fabricated; this is reality.
It is reality. I have seen
that reality and I bet you there is not a member across the way or here on this
side, in either party, who are not aware of those realities.
If they are not, then they have their head buried in the sand because
they are out there.
I am not saying that they are everywhere.
I am not saying that every senior is in that situation – absolutely not.
There are seniors who are doing quite well.
There are seniors who perhaps worked their whole life and had a
high-paying job with a pension and so on, and they are doing well.
Some seniors have three and four, four and five pensions, no doubt about
it. Their condo down in Florida,
their nice home, they have it all, all the toys; but I am telling you, there is
an awful lot of seniors who are not in that situation, and we cannot forget
them.
As we have seen prosperity come to this Province
through oil and gas – and some people would argue is it prosperity.
I think it is prosperity. I
am optimistic about it. I think it
is a good thing. For some people,
the disadvantaged, the gap has widened.
There is a big gap being created and it is growing every day between
those who have and those who have not.
There is also this group, in addition to the seniors, that fall under
that same kind of category, struggling, that I just wanted to speak to as well
and they are called the working poor.
I know there are members who know of people like that
too; I know them. There is probably
a husband and a wife and they are both working at minimum wage jobs or a little
bit better than that, they may have a child or whatever, and paying rent and
struggling. Sometimes they have to work
two jobs just to keep it going, just to keep the food in the refrigerator and
keep the lights on.
Those people are struggling as well.
We can all get caught up in oil and gas.
Oil and gas is a wonderful thing, no doubt about it.
We can all get caught up in that and how well we are doing.
We can all say we are going to hold our head up as proud Newfoundlanders,
we are not playing second fiddle to anybody anymore – I believe in all that
stuff. Everybody here believes in
all that stuff; I know they do, and it is a good thing.
While we have our heads up in the clouds, while many of us are doing
well, we cannot forget people amongst us who are not doing so well.
We cannot forget them, Mr. Speaker.
When it comes to things like these programs, whether it
be prescription drugs or these other programs I talked about, I think we need to
look at the threshold levels and perhaps they need to be raised.
Mr. Speaker, we need to ensure that we place everybody in a situation
where they are not in poverty, they are not lined up at food banks, and that
they can afford the basic necessities in life.
As a society, as a Province, we owe that to everybody.
Whatever we can do to change that – and I understand where we are
financially right now, but it is all about priorities.
We have the ability to choose – government does – where it spends money,
where its priorities are, and we need to ensure that seniors and low-income
families, working families, are made a priority.
I am running out of time there now.
I just want to go back to the seniors point again, when I talk about the
seniors, the seniors' advocate. I
just want to finish off talking about the seniors' advocate, Mr. Speaker.
We called on government and made a motion in this House to have a
seniors' advocate. We think that
that position is required to help seniors to advocate – to make sure the things
that we have been asking for get implemented for seniors.
Government would not go there; I do not know why they did not go there,
Mr. Speaker. I continue to call upon
them to (inaudible) –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
LANE:
Thank you.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I move, seconded by the Minister of Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs, the House do now adjourn.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
has been moved and seconded that the House do now adjourn.
All those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, 'nay.'
The House stands adjourned until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m.
being Private Members' Day.
On motion, the House at its rising adjourned until
tomorrow, Wednesday, at 2:00 p.m.