May 13,
2014
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLVII No. 26
The House met at 1:30 p.m.
MR.
SPEAKER (Wiseman):
Order, please!
Admit strangers.
Before we start today's proceedings, I want to
acknowledge a large group of very special guests in our gallery.
We have with us today, fifty members of the Paradise 50 Plus Adventure
group. They are under the capable
leadership of their President Maxine Earles.
Welcome to our galleries.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
Statements by Members
MR.
SPEAKER:
Today we will have members' statements from the Member for the District of Baie
Verte – Springdale; the Member for District of Port au Port; the Member for the
District of Bonavista North; the Member for District of Cartwright – L'Anse au
Clair; the Member for District of Kilbride; and the Member for the District of
St. John's North.
The hon. the Member for Baie Verte – Springdale.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
POLLARD:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
A hard-working businessman of Springdale has added his
name to an elite list of safety conscious professionals.
I rise in this hon. House today to congratulate the CEO
of Newfoundland and Labrador Vegetation Control, Terry Croucher, upon his
induction into the Workplace Health, Safety and Compensation Commission's Safety
Charter as its fifty-eighth member.
The honour is reserved for the Province's top business promoters of safety in
the workplace.
Introduced in 2007 and administered by the Workplace
Health, Safety and Compensation Commission, the Safety Charter is to support the
continuous improvement of healthy and safe work places throughout the Province.
NLVC's commitment to safety began around fourteen years
ago when Terry started to focus on safety issues by promoting it in his company.
The driving force behind Terry's commitment is evident in the following
quote, “At the end of the day, I want everyone to go home okay”.
Croucher was inducted into the Safety Charter at a
ceremony in Springdale on Wednesday, March 24, where he was joined by community
members, WHSCC representatives, and a large number of his employees.
I invite all hon. members to join me in applauding
Terry and his company for their leadership in safety promotion.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for the District of Port au Port.
MR.
CORNECT:
Mr.
Speaker, I rise today in this hon. House to recognize the Rotary Club of
Stephenville for their determination to revive the Rotary Music Festival after a
one year break.
Under the leadership of Rosa Dollard, Debbie
Brake-Patten and Noreen Dwyer, a steering committee was formed to ensure that a
very successful festival was presented to showcase the diverse cultural fabric
of the area.
Although opportunity for youth in the community was the
main purpose of the Festival, categories for the 2014 Rotary Music Festival were
broadened this year to include musical demonstrations from the Bay St. George
Folk Arts Council.
Mr. Speaker, the winners of this year's Rotary Music
Festival were Stephen Eckert of Kippens, Rose Bowl winner and best in senior
piano; Stephenville Elementary Grade 5 Choir, best Choral; Claire St. Croix,
best instrumental; Stephenville Middle School, best band; St. Michael's School,
best choral speech; Emma Dunphy, best junior piano; and Emma Buckner, best
junior vocal.
Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members in this hon. House
to join with me in congratulating the Stephenville Rotary Club Music Festival
committee, the volunteers, and all the participants for their dedication and
hard work in this year's festival.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bonavista North.
MR.
CROSS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It challenges my cognitive ability today, Mr. Speaker,
to stand and select words appropriate to describe an event which happened a few
short days ago.
On May 3, dozens of senior high students converged on
the MUN Medicine's Neuroscience Department to compete for the honour of
representing Newfoundland and Labrador at the Canadian Institute of Health
Research's Brain Bee event at McMaster University.
The competition is a showcase of young neuroscientists
demonstrating their brain power about the human brain.
Pearson Academy's eleventh grade student Jane Cooze of
New-Wes-Valley was declared the provincial champion and she will represent our
Province on May 31 at Hamilton, Ontario.
She eagerly awaits the challenge.
Paraphrasing her words – “it's fascinating to study how the brain
connects and interprets electrical impulses that allow us to decode colour,
movement and emotion among all of the other stimuli it receives.”
Memorial University's goal is to increase the number of
skilled and passionate students who want to study neuroscience, and possibly
make a career in research and development.
All hon. members, I ask that we rack our brains
together in unison to send best wishes for a successful Brain Storm Activity to
Jane Cooze.
Your old principal, Jane, is among your biggest fans!
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Thank you.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in this hon. House to recognize two
very important organizations in my District of Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair –
Labrador South Home Care serving the communities of L'Anse au Clair to Red Bay
and Loving Hands Home Care, formally Northern Home Care Services, serving the
communities north of Red Bay to Cartwright.
This year, Labrador South Home Care is celebrating
thirty years of service while the Harbourview Manor, a seniors' home in Mary's
Harbour, is in its tenth year of operation.
Recognizing the need for seniors' care, Labrador South
Home Care was formed under a volunteer board of directors, employing one
co-ordinator and two employees.
Today, the organization employs more than twenty people, some of whom have been
with them since its inception.
The home care program was once solely funded with
government grants, but today in collaboration with government and client paid
funds, the program continues to grow.
However, the success of this program would not be possible without the
dedicated volunteers and staff who go beyond their call of duty to accommodate
their clients.
Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join me in
recognizing all home care workers across our entire Province who provide a
valuable service every day for our seniors.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for the District of Kilbride.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DINN:
Mr.
Speaker, on March 8, the Harness Horse Owners Association held its dinner,
dance, and awards presentation at St. John's Racing and Entertainment Centre.
Approximately 100 people attended this ceremony.
After a fine meal, twenty-two awards were presented,
many dedicated to the memory of people who were instrumental in building and
keeping alive the harness racing industry in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The top award winners were Shane Forward and Terry
Williams with three awards each.
Shane was the driver of the year, the driver with the most money, and the top
driver in the forty-plus starts category.
Terry was the top trainer, the most improved driver, and the top driver
with twenty to thirty-nine starts.
The most gentlemanly driver was Wayne Williams.
Sheila Ivimey won the Dave MacRoberts Memorial Award for long-standing
dedication to harness racing. Scott
Forward was honoured as the trainer with the most wins and Aubrey Williams was
the top driver in the ten to nineteen start category.
Eight awards were presented to the horses.
The Horse of the Year Award went to Muggy's English Baby.
The horse with the fastest time was Inspired Art with a time of two
minutes and one second.
Mr. Speaker, I ask all hon. members to join me in
congratulating all the award winners.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR.
KIRBY:
Mr.
Speaker, today I would like to recognize the hard work and dedication of all the
volunteers who have committed their time to organizing the Prince of Wales
Collegiate Safe Grad this year.
On June 26 – the last day of school – no less than 219
Level III students in the class of 2014 will take part in this year's Safe Grad
celebration. The committee assures
me that this will be a fabulous and unforgettable event for all the students and
their guests; however, in keeping with PWC's tradition, the exact details of the
event will remain secret until school closes next month.
This year, the PWC Safe Grad committee has managed to
raise close to $12,000 so far.
Members will no doubt recognize that this work takes a lot of organization and
volunteer commitment. Several dozen
parents and committee members have helped with the organizing this year.
Carol O'Keefe is co-ordinating the event, along with the fundraising
efforts; with Sandi Miller chairing the decorating committee; Mary Pumphrey
heading up the entertainment; and Georgina Downton leading the planning for food
and refreshments.
I ask all hon. members to join me in recognizing the
hard work of all of the Prince of Wales Collegiate Safe Grad committee
volunteers.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Statements by Ministers.
Statements by Ministers
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Public Engagement.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
KENT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise today in this hon. House to recognize a local
volunteer who was honoured last month in Ottawa and presented with the Governor
General's Caring Canadian Award, given to Canadians who selflessly dedicate
their time and energy to others.
As a student at Memorial University, Sophie Harrington
became a driving force with Enactus, a volunteer non-profit, international
organization which mobilizes university students to develop outreach projects
that improve the quality of life and standard of living for people in need.
Through Enactus, universities and colleges around the
world compete in regional and national competitions for the chance to
demonstrate the impact of their community projects at the world championship
each year. During her time at
Enactus, Sophie managed a team of seventy-three volunteers and twenty-three
projects, including Launch Pad, Canada's first student-run entrepreneurial
incubation centre, and Think Green, an initiative to help elementary school
students run their own recycling businesses.
Now, as an alumna of the program, she continues to
mentor the Memorial University team and sits on their Business Advisory Board,
and also Chairs their Alumni Advisory Board.
She continues to give back to the national organization as their
volunteer photographer and designer, and was Enactus Canada's Alumna of the
Year.
Sophie also serves on the volunteer board for Lakecrest
Independent School, has volunteered with TEDxSt. Johns, and sits on the
executive of Mile Zero Ultimate, St. John's Ultimate Frisbee League, where she
helped to grow its membership and assist it in developing a number of
initiatives to make ultimate frisbee safer and more accessible.
Mr. Speaker, recognizing the importance youth play in
helping to shape the future of Newfoundland and Labrador,
Budget 2014: Shared Prosperity, Fair Society, Balanced Outlook
provides approximately $640,000 in funding to more than thirty organizations
that support youth engagement activities and learning opportunities for young
people, and an additional $2.5 million has been allocated for thirty-four
Community Youth Networks across the Province.
These investments include our annual URock Volunteer
Awards, which honour youth and youth-led organizations.
The 2014 awards are taking place two days from now at the Glacier in the
great City of Mount Pearl – I added that part.
Mr. Speaker, by celebrating the achievements of
Newfoundland and Labrador's young people, we are inspiring all residents to
contribute to the future growth and development of their communities.
I invite all members to join me in congratulating
Sophie Harrington for receiving the Governor General's Caring Canadian Award,
and for her dedication to giving back to her community.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I, too, thank the minister for an advance copy of his
statement. We all have an
entrepreneurial spirit. We have that
ability to inspire others to act so we can build in ourselves, in our families,
and in our communities a healthier, more prosperous, and stronger world.
I want to, on behalf of the Official Opposition, extend
big congratulations to Sophie Harrington on being a recipient of the Governor
General's Caring Canadian Award.
Sophie currently works at m5 and is developing and engaging campaigns
Province-wide, is very well educated with two degrees, has top individual
student award for academic leadership and commitment in the Faculty of Business,
highest marks in the graduating class for the Bachelor of Arts and Political
Science, and ranked on the dean's list from 2002 to 2007.
She is so very well rounded that her photography has been featured in
The Globe and Mail.
This type of passion and these types of ideas and
talents illustrate what youth are capable of at home, abroad, in a team, or on
their own. The best way for our
youth to succeed is to look at the real-world challenges that exist, how others
can gain financial security, how we can equip the unemployed to find the skills
to reach meaningful employment, help aspiring entrepreneurs, and bring economic
development like Enactus does to struggling neighbourhoods.
We need to look at developing team work, leadership,
and communication skills, and that only comes from real-life experience.
Government should consider the cuts it made to its abandoned Youth
Retention and Attraction Strategy, but it should also look at leaders like
Sophie if government plans to re-establish the Youth Advisory Committee to join
that.
Thank you.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The member's time has expired.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's East.
MR.
MURPHY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I would also like to thank the minister for the advance
copy of his statement today. How
proud we all are as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, to know that Sophie
Harrington was this year's recipient of the Caring Canadians Award on the part
of the Governor General.
We have a lot of youth in this Province, Mr. Speaker,
who are out there who are shining examples, just like Sophie.
One example, just to bring up here in the House, I was down to the St.
John's City Council's ceremonies last week for the Mayor's Advisory Committee on
Youth and with all of the youth that were there who were eligible for this
award, they could only pick one.
There were a number of shining examples from the immediate St. John's area who
stood out, but there was only one winner at that particular time.
I would say that we have another Caring Canadian Award
that is going to be coming up, a future winner – I will bring this to the
attention of the government – in the form of a young gentleman by the name of
Darcy Taylor who also has an extensive resume, like that of Sophie Harrington.
Again, congratulations, on the part of our party, to
Sophie. We wish her all the best in
her future endeavours, as well as to the future winners.
Congratulations as well to government.
Keep putting that money towards youth.
We need it.
Thank you.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Natural Resources.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DALLEY:
Mr.
Speaker, I rise in this hon. House today to talk briefly about Newfoundland and
Labrador's official forest fire season.
The season began May 1 on the Island, and begins May 15 in Labrador.
It extends into late September.
The Newfoundland and Labrador forest industry employs
5,500 people through direct and indirect employment and is valued at $250
million annually. For economic,
social and cultural reasons, this tremendous resource must be protected.
The fire suppression team within the Department of
Natural Resources protects our natural resources, our communities, our homes,
and our residents from wildfires. In
2013, the fire suppression team responded to 101 fires throughout the Province,
the majority of which could have been prevented.
During the forest fire season, a permit to burn is
required, at no cost, for lighting outdoor fires for the purpose of clearing
land and burning brush within 300 metres of a forest.
At this time of the year, fine fuels such as dead
vegetation in fields and other open areas appear wet; however, they can dry and
burn in a matter of hours when conditions are right.
Fine fuels play a role in most of the fires responded to each year
because they ignite easily and can spread fire quickly.
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians use our forests for
hiking, camping, and other activity.
With this privilege comes the responsibility to take care of our forest
resource. The official start of
forest fire season is an appropriate time to remind residents to be careful when
they are in the woods.
Permits to burn and copies of the forest fire
regulations can be obtained at regional or district forest management offices
throughout the Province. The
lighting of fires for cooking and camping do not require a permit, but certain
forest fire regulations must be followed.
Mr. Speaker, our firefighters, incident management
team, air services pilots and maintenance crews and other staff members are to
be commended for their tremendous efforts.
I am confident in their ability to protect our forests, our property and
our people. We can help by being
careful.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.
MR.
LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank the minister for an advance copy of his
statement.
Mr. Speaker, this is certainly a timely statement.
We are getting into the time of year now where people are getting out and
about in the woods, whether it is camping, whether it is hiking, fishing,
hunting and so on. It is certainly
important for people to be mindful when we are out enjoying our great outdoors,
that we are mindful of our environment; not only do we make sure we leave it the
way we found it in terms of litter and so on, but also, Mr. Speaker, that we be
mindful of any campfires and so on that we may have in the woods while we are
enjoying it, so as to not destroy such a great resource that we are so lucky to
have here in this Province.
Mr. Speaker, I noted in the minister's statement he
talked about permits that you can pick up at the District Forest Management
Offices. I am not sure if these
permits are available online or not.
If they are not, I certainly would encourage the government to look at putting
them online.
Another point, Mr. Speaker, I noticed the minister in
his statement never mentioned the toll-free number that is out there.
So I am going to throw it out there.
There is a toll-free number to report forest fires 1-866-709-Fire, 3473.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Leader of the Third Party.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I, too, thank the minister for the advance copy of his
statement.
I would like to recognize the firefighters, pilots,
maintenance crews and the incident management team for the work they do and the
way they do it. These are important
tasks carrying great responsibility and potential danger.
While I appreciate the minister saying he has
confidence in the firefighting services in our Province, I think there is more
that government should be doing to help prevent these fires.
I suggest that the minister look at beefing up public education regarding
what to do to prevent forest fires since the minister notes that most of the
fires last year could have been prevented.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Oral Questions.
Oral Questions
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Government cancelled the contract with Humber Valley
Paving on March 21. This means the
window for a subcontractor to claim under the mechanics' lien was April 20.
Meanwhile, this story did not break in the media until April 28.
I ask the Premier: Since the window on the mechanics'
lien is closed, what process can subcontractors use now to get the money they
are owed by Humber Valley Paving?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER MARSHALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, everyone involved in the construction
business, subcontractors, suppliers of labour and materials, all know that when
they perform their work on a contract or on a subcontract, a lien comes into
existence. The lien continues while
they are doing the work. Then when
they stop doing their work, the lien continues for another thirty days.
They do not have to do anything to get the lien, other than perform the
work or provide the material. Then
they have to file a mechanics' lien and that it keeps it going for a longer
period of time. Then they have to
start an action in the court, which keeps it going indefinitely until it is
resolved by the court.
Anyone who provides labour or materials would know that
it is thirty days after they provide the materials they have to file a
mechanics' lien. They know that, and
they would take the appropriate steps to protect their interest.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am sure the Premier knows that usually in these
situations when there is work ongoing – let's not forget that this company asked
for an extension and was granted an extension on this contract which would have
ended July of 2014. Since the
contract was cancelled, this left many of the subcontractors, many small
businesses that were expected to continue doing work.
I ask the Premier: Since the window is now closed on
the mechanics' lien period, how are those subcontractors going to access the
money that you have held back from this contract?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER MARSHALL:
Mr.
Speaker, as I said, anybody doing work on the project would know that they have
a time limit in which to file a mechanics' lien.
If they do not file their lien, they do not have priority.
Therefore, what they would have to do, if there is money owed to them
they would start an action in the Supreme Court and sue for the money that is
owed to them.
Every payment that the government made under the
contract, the government held back 10 per cent in Canada's lien holdback, and
the minister indicated the other day there is about $1.2 million in a mechanics'
lien holdback fund that is available for disbursement.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Not only did the subcontractor not know that this
contract was cancelled, but the Premier did not know that this contract was
cancelled. What I am referring to,
many of those small contractors were expecting to go back to work because this
contract was extended to July of this year.
By cancelling the contract, you closed that window.
On top of that, you did not get a sworn statutory declaration from the
company saying that everyone was paid.
I ask the Premier: What process can those small
contractors use now to get access to the holdback?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Premier.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
PREMIER MARSHALL:
Mr.
Speaker, again, yes, I did not know until – I think it was April 26 when I was
informed in Halifax Airport.
Mr. Speaker, if I had been involved in providing labour
and material to that project, I would know, as every contractor knows and
everybody involved in that business knows, they have a time limit in which they
want to file the lien. They watch
that very closely. If they are not
paid thirty days after they provide their last work and materials, then they
file a mechanics' lien and keep it going.
They would take whatever action they have to take, that they would
consider appropriate to protect their interests.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Under normal circumstances, if a government is going to cancel a contract which
is midstream, keep in mind, those contractors expected until July of 2014 for
this to happen.
Why did you not get a sworn statutory declaration to
protect the subcontractors?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I explained that last week in the House
during Question Period. The company
itself would apply to have the mechanics' lien holdback released.
Before we will release the mechanics' lien holdback, we would then ask
them to supply us with a statutory declaration.
We do not apply for the declaration, they do.
We would not ask for that until they asked to have the mechanics' lien
holdback released. The company has
not done that, so therefore we would not ask for the statutory declaration until
they do ask for that.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Given the uncertainty around the payment for those
subcontractors, why wouldn't the minister ask for that sworn statutory
declaration today so we can protect those subcontractors?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, again, we have the mechanics' lien in
place. We will continue to have that
lien holdback until they request that we release that.
Once they request a release of the holdback, then we will demand to have
the statutory declaration before we release the mechanics' lien holdback.
The $1.18 million will not be released until we get that statutory
declaration.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The minister has repeatedly referred to the legal staff
of legal advisors on this issue. He
keeps talking about that.
I ask the minister: What legal staff did you use?
Was it at your Department of Transportation and Works, or was it the
legal staff at the Department of Justice?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, in the Department of Transportation and
Works we have one of the best legal advisors in the government.
We have him there; we deal with him on a day-to-day basis, as I said last
week.
We deal with contracts every day.
That is what the Department of Transportation and Works is all about,
dealing with contracts. We have a
legal advisor on our own staff who also gets legal advice from the Department of
Justice. We have a full complement
of legal advisors.
Mr. Speaker, I have to clarify something.
The Member for St. John's South brought up different contracts, talking
about contracts, and we deal with different contracts every day.
Two contracts he brought up – and I will get up on the next question and
answer that.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am just looking for some clarification on this issue
around a legal opinion.
I ask the minister: Was the Department of Justice
involved in the legal opinion on this specific contract?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, as I said, we have our own legal advisor
within the department who deals with us on a day-to-day basis and who also deals
with the Department of Justice on many of our contracts.
A lot of the contracts, if our legal advisor feels he needs more legal
advice, yes, he does go and get it.
As I was going to say, the Member for St. John's South
brought up two contracts. I do not
feel the House of Assembly –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MCGRATH:
I
do not feel the House of Assembly is the right place to be talking about
individual contracts, but I have to clarify something that was said yesterday by
the Member for St. John's South. He
brought up a contract about brush cutting.
He compared that contract to the one we have been dealing with all week.
I want to clarify to the general public –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR.
BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I ask the minister, just to be very simple.
It is a yes or no answer. Was
the Minister of Justice involved in this specific contract with Humber Valley
Paving on the Trans-Labrador Highway?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Yes.
As I was saying, the Member for St. John's South
brought up –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MCGRATH:
– a contract on brush cutting and he compared it to the contract we have been
talking about now for over a week. I
want to clarify for the people who are here today and for the people in our
listening audience that the contractor with that brush cutting contract – we did
not cancel that contract. That
contractor came into us. He
terminated his contract. Not only
that, Mr. Speaker, but once he terminated his contract we also found out they
had falsified documents that were necessary to get the contract, thus the
penalty of twelve months.
The other contract that was cancelled was cancelled by
the bonding agency.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Mr.
Speaker, the Minister of Finance said at Budget time that her government has a
record they are very proud of and that they had a plan for strong fiscal
management.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
C. BENNETT:
You
have to question these statements knowing that last year this government spent
$84 million in consulting fees, $3 million more than they planned to spend on
the provincial roads program this year.
I ask the minister: Why are you spending so much money
on external consultants?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I did say at Budget time that we do
have a sound track record when it comes to fiscal management.
We are very proud of our record.
We are very proud of the investments that we have made into education,
into health care, into Child, Youth and Family Services, and certainly into
roads.
Oftentimes, we do have expertise that we use within
government, very valuable expertise, we value our public service, we do not
question where lawyers come from or not come from, which department; but there
are times when you do go for outside expertise, which is also very valuable as
well.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Mr.
Speaker, $84 million is a significant amount of money.
That is more than the government spent on environment, fisheries, IBRD,
tourism, Newfoundland and Labrador Housing, and on roads in this fiscal year.
I ask the minister: What controls are in place to
measure the return on the money you are spending on external consultants?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, we have a very dedicated public service
that evaluates every single dollar that is spent in government.
We have a Treasury Board; we have Cabinet.
We make sure that every dollar is spent very wisely.
She seems to have an issue with the money we are
spending with external consultants.
Perhaps she could identify which specific area she would not have spent that
money and would not have invested in the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Virginia Waters.
MS
C. BENNETT:
Mr.
Speaker, this government has talked about competencies within the public service
time and time again, and I would totally agree that we have many talented people
working in the public sector. Even
yesterday the Minister of Transportation talked about the great work they do –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
C. BENNETT:
I
ask the minister: Why are you paying so much money to external consultants
instead of relying on your own internal experts?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
JOHNSON:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There are oftentimes when a need comes up for an
external consultant; in fact, one I can think of most recently is where we hired
a consultant to look at a review of how to spend money better in government.
That $3 million contract brought $20 million in savings to the Treasury,
Mr. Speaker. Is she suggesting that
we not do that and not find ways to save money?
Again, I ask the member to table, to specify, which
particular contract she would not have done to improve services and to improve
everyday life for the people of the Province, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.
MR.
JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I say to the minister, save the $500,000 on the
radiation, because the minister already announced we need two machines in Corner
Brook now, as I have been saying for years.
Mr. Speaker, officials from Transportation and Works
contacted the Official Opposition office prior to Budget 2014 requesting the top
three priorities for a transportation capital works project in each Liberal
district.
I ask the minister: Can you provide an update on the
status of these requests?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, during the Budget process every year, we
do suggest that MHAs give us their top priorities to roadwork that they feel is
the top priorities in their districts.
We get that from all forty-eight, and then the officials within the
department will sit down and they put them all together.
We look through them to prioritize them from there, and then we will send
out notices to all of the MHAs as to what work will be done within this year.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.
MR.
JOYCE:
Mr.
Speaker, the minister has touted his efforts about getting tenders out early for
capital projects, but we have yet to see any announcements for districts on this
side of the House.
I ask the minister: When can we expect to see
announcements of work in Liberal districts, or does the early tendering process
only apply to PC districts in this Province?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I empathize with the member across the way.
Obviously, he only listens to the news that he wants to hear.
On March 28, I announced that a tender would be called for road
improvement initiatives throughout Western Newfoundland; some include areas
represented by the member opposite.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
MCGRATH:
There is no basis for the Opposition's claim here whatsoever.
Some of the ones, just to go down through them, repairs
to sections of Ring Road in Corner Brook – district across the way.
Route 430, Deer Lake to Cormack – I believe that is in a district across
the way – you are welcome. Route
440, at Hughes Brook Hill and Pond Road from Rocky Harbour to Norris Point, you
are welcome. Repairs also included
for Route 420 –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bay of Islands.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
JOYCE:
Mr.
Speaker, announcements are not tenders.
They announced the hospital in 2007; there are still no tenders for it.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
JOYCE:
So
I ask the minister: When are you going to treat the roads in the Liberal
districts, which are unsafe, the same as you do the members opposite in the PC
districts and call the tenders so we can get the work done this year?
Just because you said you are going to do it, does not mean you are.
When will they be called?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MCGRATH: Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, Route 420, Jackson's Arm intersection;
Route 421, upgrade to a section of Gallants Road; Route 403.
I will end by giving the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair a good
reason to be smiling across the way, a big tender coming out for eighty
kilometres from Lodge Bay going towards –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
MCGRATH:
– Cartwright Junction, a Liberal district.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Mr.
Speaker, I have to tell the member across the way something we are not smiling
about today. On the eve of one of
the busiest weekends of the year, we see the ferry service across the Strait of
Belle Isle once again disrupted due to lack of icebreaker assistance.
I ask the minister: What is your department doing to –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
DEMPSTER:
– restore this vital service across the Strait of Belle Isle?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, as we all know and I have said it several
times, this has been a very harsh, long, hard winter, especially with the ferry
systems throughout the whole Province.
We have had to deal with extreme ice conditions, Marine Atlantic
included. Not just the Newfoundland
ferry system but Marine Atlantic, several days where the ice was too thick to
get through. We are experiencing
that.
I think the member across the way from Cartwright –
L'Anse au Clair has to acknowledge that I have certainly done my best to get the
ferry running on a regular basis between St. Barbe and Blanc-Sablon again.
Unfortunately, I have no control over the ice.
If I did, trust me, there would be palm trees growing in St. Barbe right
now. We have no control over the
Coast Guard with the icebreakers.
That is federal jurisdiction, but we will continue to (inaudible).
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Mr.
Speaker, we just heard my colleague talk about $83 million for consultants,
$4,000 or $5,000 for a tea party, and $1,200 for a Twin Otter across the
Straits. Mr. Speaker, people are
missing medical appointments, commercial traffic is at a standstill, and
businesses are suffering. There are
no air seats available, everybody is stranded.
Why are the people dependent on this service, primarily
the people of Labrador, consistently treated differently than anywhere else in
the Province? One hundred thousand
people a year rely on this service.
Why is she going to Corner Brook and doing a crew change and fueling up?
Why are you not lobbying the federal government to make sure that is done
down in St. Barbe so we are not continuously disrupted for days on end?
We are the only place in the Province where that continues to happen, Mr.
Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Transportation and Works.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
MCGRATH:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, again, the contract for the ferry service
from Blanc-Sablon to St. Barbe deals quite often on weather conditions.
I think it was about three or four years ago that this government – we
have been monitoring it for the last decade as to whether or not year-round
service was available. The weather
conditions had changed quite a bit and so we did put in a year-round service,
but that year-round service is put in on weather permitted.
As I said, this has been a harsh winter.
When you put in a service like that, you also put in
the infrastructure to provide services, such as refueling services, in the best
possible positions. That is what we
have done.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's South.
MR.
OSBORNE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, May 24 weekend is upon us and many
families will be heading out to the provincial parks for the first weekend of
the season. Camping is certainly a
family affair for all people of all ages.
I ask the minister responsible: What family programming
will be offered at our provincial parks for this coming season?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
SHEA:
Mr.
Speaker, our parks are opening this weekend and there are many people who take
advantage of being able to spend some quiet time with their families in these
beautiful parks throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.
The people who use these parks, along with the staff in the parks, can
determine how they would like to spend their time and what activities they would
like to participate in, but I certainly think everyone who takes the time to
have their families out there for the weekend will certainly have a very
enjoyable experience.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's South.
MR.
OSBORNE:
Mr.
Speaker, the park interpretation was discontinued in last year's Budget without
notification, slipped under the radar, and will not be offered in our provincial
parks again this season. That means
no programming for children, no movies, no crafts, no guided hikes, no
educational sessions, and no interpretation.
I ask the minister: Why would you downgrade the parks
to eliminate such vital programming?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
SHEA:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, many families and many individuals take
the opportunity to enjoy the parks we have throughout Newfoundland and Labrador
and have wonderful experiences when they go there.
While they are in the parks, they are able to use the natural areas we
have there, whether it means they are going to do some canoeing or some boating,
they are going to do hiking. They
are going to have times with their families and their friends, whatever they
would like to participate in. The
services are there for the people to enjoy.
I know I have been in the parks myself.
Many people bring in lots of equipment, what they would like to use, and
how they like to spend their time in the parks.
They will go there again this year, Mr. Speaker.
They will have every opportunity to use the services that are there to
use, whether they bring their bicycles, their canoes, their kayaks, or whatever
they like, Mr. Speaker. They will
certainly be able to have an enjoyable (inaudible).
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's South.
MR.
OSBORNE:
Mr.
Speaker, there are no park organized interpretational services any more.
That government cut it out.
Both provincial and private parks across the Province have seen a resurgence in
family camping.
Now that you see the drastic effect of these cuts on
our provincial parks and the camping experience, I ask the minister: Will you
reinstate the interpretation programs at our provincial parks?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Environment and Conservation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS
SHEA:
Mr.
Speaker, when people visit our parks, when people take their children out or
individuals go out, they are able to enjoy what is there and what is offered,
whether they go on hikes. I know in
Barachois Park they can hike the mountain that is there.
There are ponds and lakes.
They can canoe, kayak, or take their bicycles.
Mr. Speaker, there are even people – I have been in campers where they
have the best of technology, watching movies and TV, something that you would
not – unless you go and see that these are big, expensive campers with that.
It is not just tenting any more.
Mr. Speaker, whether you are in a tent, or whether you
are in a modern camper and you bring your family there, they can have a very
worthwhile experience. They can use
the parks for what they have to offer and they will certainly enjoy that
experience, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Third Party.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
More and more people are grappling with the challenge
of ensuring their elderly loved ones are getting proper care.
I ask the Minister of Health and Community Services: In
the spirit of openness and accountability, will he post online regular, timely
updates of wait-lists for long-term care beds under the four regional
authorities?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank the member of the Third Party for her question
today. Long-term care is a matter
and a focus. It has been a focus for
our government for many years. In
fact, in 2012 we released a ten-year strategy that was focused on Close to Home,
a long-term strategy care for – long-term care and community support services.
I can tell you that since her question yesterday, I
went back to the department and had a closer look at the numbers, the demand for
long-term care. I can tell you part
of the strategy that we are engaged in is a strategy to improve services to the
aging and seniors and people before they reach the need for long-term care, so
we can extend the period of time before they actually need to go into long-term
care, assist them and promote a higher and better quality of life for them prior
to the need to go to long-term care.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Third Party.
MS
MICHAEL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I really would appreciate knowing what those programs
are. It certainly is not home care.
Mr. Speaker, in response to my concern regarding a
vulnerable patient moved to Long Pond away from family and community support,
the minister responded by noting the drive to Long Pond is only sixteen minutes.
I ask the minister: Is he not aware that many seniors
on fixed incomes can neither afford cars or $100 round-trip taxi rides, and
there is no public transportation available?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I think it is important to clarify some of the
information that the member opposite has been referring to.
I know last night, while she was on one of the radio call-in shows, she
referred to it as Long Harbour; as a matter of fact, she did that two or three
times. I am sure she is talking
about Long Pond as part of Conception Bay South.
Conception Bay South boundaries the City of St. John's
boundary; you can leave the City of St. John's and enter directly into
Conception Bay South. They are
literally next door to each other.
I can assure the member opposite, and assure the people
of the House, and the people of Newfoundland and Labrador that through long-term
care we make every effort to ensure that when a person reaches a stage in life
where they are required to enter into a long-term care circumstance, that it is
done as close to their home as it possibly can, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Leader of the Third Party.
MS
MICHAEL:
Yes, I am speaking about Long Pond, but we have to look at individual
situations, which the government is not doing.
Last year the Minister of Health announced the opening
of the protective community residence in Bonavista, which allows people with
mild dementia to live independently, adding to those built or planned in
Lewisporte, Corner Brook, and Clarenville.
I ask the minister: What is his department's plan for
providing protective community residences for people with mild dementia in other
parts of the Province?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DAVIS:
Thank you again, Mr. Speaker.
This is a very important conservation and debate that
we are having here in the House today.
I can tell you that there has been a tremendous amount of work done in
the development of the ten-year strategy.
As I referred to, there was a very comprehensive process of consultation
with seniors. I can tell you, we
strongly value the input of seniors.
We value the work that they do in their own communities.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
DAVIS:
We
value the work that organized groups do within their own communities throughout
Newfoundland and Labrador as well, because they all contribute to the quality of
life of the people of the Province and the seniors of the Province.
We will continue to invest in those types of
organizations. We will continue to
invest in programs throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.
We will also continue to invest in the needs for infrastructure.
We look at the long-term needs for long-term care
throughout the Province and I can tell you, even though the population is
rising, those numbers will stay –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
As I predicted, the new group home in Stephenville will
not be ready by government's May 19 target date.
The lives of the youth in care have been thrown into utter chaos.
I ask the minister: Why did he not have a plan to
ensure a smooth transition for the moving of these vulnerable young people?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
JACKMAN:
Mr.
Speaker, at the present time the service provider is indeed seeking to work with
the town to find a suitable placement for these youth.
I would certainly encourage all involved to recognize the challenge that
these young people face. I certainly
hope that the provider and the community can find the agreement that will see
that service provided to these youth.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Mr.
Speaker, five days from now is the deadline and they do not even have a house
bought, let alone furnished, let alone renovated and rezoned and staff hired and
set up and ready to receive these youth.
Mr. Speaker, government's callous, ill-thought-out decision to privatize
the care of the Province's most vulnerable youth is failing even before it
begins.
I ask the minister: Why is the bottom line more
important than our moral and legal obligation to provide quality rehabilitation
in a safe environment for our most vulnerable youth?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
JACKMAN:
Mr.
Speaker, a term that I used before, I am not going to let the NDP think that
they are the only ones who have a monopoly on caring.
They are not the only ones who have a monopoly on caring.
Mr. Speaker, to suggest that our bottom line is dollars
and putting that ahead of the care for children, that is despicable.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
JACKMAN:
That is totally, totally despicable.
Mr. Speaker, these homes, they will find their way
forward. If there is a further
timeline required, we will look at that.
At this particular time, there are teams that are in place, they are
making the provisions, they will do the transition, and we will make that as
smooth as possible.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre, for a quick question without preamble.
MS
ROGERS:
Mr.
Speaker, I ask the minister: How can the privatized rate of $13 an hour, a
babysitter's rate, attract experienced specialized care?
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services, for a quick response.
MR.
JACKMAN:
Mr.
Speaker, I can only speak to the reputation of Blue sky.
If she is questioning the service that they provide, I would ask her to
take that up with the service provider.
We are not questioning it.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Time for Question Period has expired.
Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.
Tabling of Documents.
Notices of Motion.
Notices of Motion
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I give notice, under Standing Order 11, I shall move
that the House do not adjourn at 5:30 p.m. on Thursday, May 15, 2014.
Further, I give notice, under Standing Order 11, I
shall move that the House do not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. on Thursday, May 15,
2014.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Answers to Questions for which Notice has been Given.
Petitions.
Petitions
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Burgeo – La Poile.
MR.
A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I have a petition.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and
Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents
humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS private and community ambulance operators
provide ambulatory and paramedic services to the residents of Newfoundland and
Labrador and are compensated for these services by the Government of
Newfoundland and Labrador; and
WHEREAS the contract for ambulance operators expired in
March of 2012; and
WHEREAS the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador
completed a review of ambulatory services in the Province, which review was
completed August 2013, and released in October 2013;
WHEREAS ambulance operators agreed to hold off from
negotiations with government until the ambulance review was complete, and showed
good faith; and
WHEREAS government's current position in negotiations
has been heavy handed, and will see cuts in ambulance services across the
Province;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House to urge the government to negotiate a fair deal
with ambulance operators that ensures the safety of our ambulance professionals,
as well as the patients in our Province.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Now, Mr. Speaker, this is one that I have presented on
one prior occasion here in the House, but I am going to have to continue to
present it because this issue will not go away.
You have a number of concerned individuals here.
Primarily, you have ambulance operators who are sitting there, and we
know that government is playing a divide and conquer game with them.
We asked questions in the House of Assembly Estimates session, and of
course it was all deferred to Finance, even though we know that the department
has actually been having the negotiations with the operators.
So it is divide and conquer there.
We have the paramedics themselves who are left out in
the wind because they have no say in this.
They could not really participate in the review because they were not
given the opportunity. They were
told to come on in, drive on your own dime and on your own time, to contribute
to this. We did not go out and get
what they had to say.
At the end of the day, we have the people of these
communities – especially in rural Newfoundland and Labrador, and I especially
have them out in my district – that are here, they are going to have less
emergency coverage when it comes to ambulance services.
That is not something that any of us should have to deal with.
We have a government that sits here and tries to
obfuscate, they try to confuse the matter and talk about routine services, but
when it is not routine is what we are talking about.
We are talking about emergency services and red alerts.
A red alert is when there is absolutely no coverage in an emergency
situation. We have it.
It is too bad as it is; it is only going to get worse.
Unfortunately, I believe with this government we are
going to see a situation where they react rather than be proactive, and it is
going to result in a detrimental, serious consequence, possibly including death,
to one of our residents. It is
absolutely unfortunate that this government continues to play this game with
this group. We are asking them to
play fair; negotiate a contract that works for the people of this Province.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for the District of Bay of Islands.
MR.
JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I stand today, Mr. Speaker:
WHEREAS we are concerned over the deplorable conditions
of the pavement of Hughes Brook hill Route 440; and
WHEREAS many residents of the Towns of Hughes Brooks,
Irishtown-Summerside, Meadows, Gillams, McIvers, and Cox's Cove travel this road
on a daily basis; and
WHEREAS after repeated requests for repairs in the
pavement, the road has continued to deteriorate; and
WHEREAS the ruts in the pavement are creating a safety
hazard; and
WHEREAS we feel that the condition of the road presents
an accident waiting to happen;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland
and Labrador to give serious consideration of making repairs to this road.
Mr. Speaker, today we have a petition from a lot of
people from Meadows concerning the road.
I asked questions today in the House of Assembly.
The minister stood up with a flippant answer that he already made the
announcement.
Mr. Speaker, an announcement is not a tender.
The minister can stand up and play the games, whatever game he wants
because if the tender is not called soon the work will not be done.
There have been a number of accidents out in these ruts.
It is a major concern, it is a safety concern.
It is a bluff.
There is no doubt it is a bluff when you look at all this here.
If I change my name to Eddie Coleman would I get it done in six days?
Mr. Speaker, that is the kind of condition we are getting.
PREMIER MARSHALL:
Do
not smear the Coleman's (inaudible).
MR.
JOYCE:
Here is the Premier now all upset.
Mr. Premier, you are talking about smearing someone's company, I am talking
about the safety of the people in the North Shore.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Direct your comments to the Chair, please.
MR.
JOYCE:
I
am talk about the people of the North Shore.
I will do whatever I have to do to get that work done, Mr. Speaker.
I am worried about people's lives here.
The Premier can say what he likes to me, Mr. Speaker, I
am smearing some company. If that is
what it takes for me to get this work done, I will get the work done.
If the Premier drove out the North Shore – drive on
that road. Go speak with the
councils where last year it was supposed to be done and not done.
This year the minister said we already made the announcement.
If you do not get the tender done, it may not be done this year.
If it is not done this year, you are putting lives at danger.
Do not ask me to sit down and not speak on this, I say
to the Premier. I ask this, and the
Premier said I am smearing the Coleman family.
How about the people who had an accident last week over in Hughes Brook?
Why aren't you concerned about the people who went off the road because
of the ruts? Be concerned about the
residents. Be concerned about them,
because I am.
If it takes me to stand here every day with a petition,
I say to the Premier, I will do it because I am not worried about some company.
I am worried about lives.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the Family Violence Intervention Court provided
a comprehensive approach to domestic violence in a court setting that fully
understood and dealt with the complex issues of domestic violence; and
WHEREAS domestic violence continues to be one of the
most serious issues facing our Province today –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS
ROGERS:
– and the cost of the impact of domestic violence is great both economically and
in human suffering; and
WHEREAS the Family Violence Intervention Court was
welcomed and endorsed by all aspects of the Justice system including the police,
the courts, prosecutors, defence counsel, Child, Youth and Family Services, as
well as victims, offenders, community agencies and women's groups; and
WHEREAS the recidivism rate for offenders going through
the court was 10 per cent compared to 40 per cent for those who did not; and
WHEREAS the budget for the court was only 0.2 per cent
of the entire budget of the Department of Justice;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge government to reinstate the
Family Violence Intervention Court.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, I would ask the members perhaps listen.
It is my chance to speak.
SOME HON. MEMBERS: Oh, oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask members to take all of their private
conversations outside the Chamber.
The Speaker has acknowledged the Member for St. John's Centre who is delivering
a petition. I would ask all other
members to hold their speeches until they are recognized by the Speaker.
The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS
ROGERS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I am standing speaking on behalf – every
one of these signatures are people from Corner Brook, who know how important the
Family Violence Intervention Court is.
They actually want it extended to make sure it is available to people all
over the Province because they know.
They are experts. They know the
Family Violence Intervention Court worked.
Mr. Speaker, during Estimates for the Department of
Justice – and the government keeps saying it was a budgetary decision – we found
millions of dollars that were unspent last year and moved to other unintended
expenses, millions of dollars. We
are talking about $500,000. It is
about, actually, in some cases saving the lives of women and children.
Why is this government not reversing this decision?
They know it is the right thing to do.
Is it because it is about saving face?
This is not my Family Violence Intervention Court.
This was a Family Violence Intervention Court that belonged to the people
of the Province and was endorsed by every conceivable stakeholder who works in
the area of violence against women.
What is wrong with this government that they cannot take the highroad on this?
They have a moral and a legal obligation to provide services for women
and children who are victims of family violence.
What is stopping them besides their own hubris?
This is criminal, Mr. Speaker.
It is absolutely criminal.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER: The hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS the Strait of Bell Isle is a very important
transportation link between Labrador and the Island of Newfoundland; and
WHEREAS both commercial and residential traffic is
continuously increasing because of the opening of the Trans Labrador Highway and
increased development in Labrador; and
WHEREAS the existing ferry service can no longer
effectively handle the traffic; and
WHEREAS there have been many interruptions in the ferry
service, especially during the 2014 winter season;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland
and Labrador to complete a comprehensive feasibility study for a fixed link
across the Strait of Bell Isle that would include a geological assessment and a
full cost analysis.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, there were many, many issues ongoing this
winter with the ice in the Labrador Straits.
Hatch Mott MacDonald back in 2004, Mr. Speaker, did a preliminary study
which identified that a fixed link would be a viable option once Route 138 was
completed. Until that is done, a
fixed link that joins our Province with the rest of the country and we have a
permanent transportation system in place, we cannot consider ourselves equal to
the rest of the country.
It goes far beyond that.
Right now, Mr. Speaker, businesses in the district are impacted with
this. I just talked to a business
with six trucks sitting on the other side in St. Barbe stranded.
When you make reservations in advance, when the ferry moves in three days
now, they will only be able to get one piece on.
Mr. Speaker, this winter there have been days on end
when you could not buy a carton of milk in the district.
We are talking about 30,000 people.
We are talking about 100,000 passengers who move on this ferry every
year.
We know back when the former Premier was there, Mr.
Speaker, I have quotes from the Globe and
Mail where he said what needs to happen now is Quebec needs to complete 138
and Newfoundland needs to construct a fixed link.
Yet, Mr. Speaker, we know when Quebec responded that they were
interested, the Newfoundland and Labrador Administration at that time changed
and there was no follow up done.
This has been a very trying year for marine traffic.
Mr. Speaker, a fixed link will reduce the cost of
goods. It will impact everybody in
the Province. Right now, we know
that the NL consumer association is saying that everyone in the Province is
paying between 4 per cent and 25 per cent more for their product because of the
delays, the costs, and the spoilage due to the present ferry system.
In a completed feasibility study, the key thing will
identify that present subsidies being paid by this government, by the Quebec
government, and the federal government over a twenty year (inaudible) –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The member's time has expired.
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR.
MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the hon. House of Assembly of the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of the
undersigned residents of Newfoundland and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS Route 438 is the primary highway for residents
of Grandois, St. Julien's and Croque; and
WHEREAS the current gravel road conditions are
dangerous for travel, given size of potholes and debris embedded in the road;
and
WHEREAS it is government's obligation to provide basic
infrastructure to Newfoundlanders and Labradorians; and
WHEREAS this is the primary link for residents to
health care and essential services and the enhancement is needed for safety
reasons.
We, the undersigned, petition the House of Assembly to
urge government to allocate funds under the provincial roads maintenance program
to upgrade this section of Route 438.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, I talked about this particular road in the
district; it is about thirty kilometres.
It is a former woods road, basically, where there are tree stumps, former
logs, that have had gravel thrown over it and they are starting to reappear.
The petitioners here are not asking to have these
thirty kilometres of road paved.
They are just asking for, on a continuous basis, especially in the spring, to
have maintenance happen so that here are improvements because they do have to
travel this road on a daily regular basis.
Many of the workers here commute to Main Brook or they commute to Conche
to work in fish plant processing facilities there.
All their other services, all the business, all the commerce, all the
government services take place outside of their community.
They would like to commend what the Department of
Transportation and Works has already done. They have already put different mud
and silt patch down and a little bit of rock, but there needs to be more done.
There needs to be that commitment, that we do have the stone there, that
we can do regular maintenance to these gravel roads that have a small population
and need to see that improvement.
So I am putting this petition forward based on
petitioners in my district, in Croque, Grandois and St. Julien's.
I think that it is a small marginal cost when you look at maintaining a
basic piece of infrastructure. I am
not talking for asphalt here this in particular case, just regular upgrades and
maintenance to their road.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.
MR.
LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
A petition to the hon. House of Assembly of the
Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in Parliament assembled, the petition of
the undersigned residents humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS there are extreme overcrowding issues in St.
Peter's Elementary and Mount Pearl Senior High; a direct result of poor planning
by the Department of Education; and
WHEREAS the solution imposed by the English School
Board to deal with this now crisis situation will have a devastating impact on
many students, families and teachers in Mount Pearl Senior High, Mount Pearl
Intermediate, St. Peter's Elementary, and Newtown Elementary; and
WHEREAS there are other less disruptive solutions which
can be introduced to alleviate this overcrowding issue, primarily capital
investment as a preferred option; and
WHEREAS the English School Board was not provided with
the financial flexibility by the Minister of Education to explore more suitable
options; and
WHEREAS the government has intervened in board
decisions in the past, such as in 2005 in Bishop's Falls during a by-election
where they reversed the closure of Leo Burke Academy;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly
pray and call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of Newfoundland
and Labrador to intervene in this matter, commit appropriate resources to the
English School Board, and instruct them to develop more suitable options.
As in duty bound, your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr. Speaker, I am after presenting this petition now a
number of times, and I have many more to present.
Almost on a daily basis, I am getting more petitions coming in.
As a matter of fact, I have to meet with a young student in my district
this evening that has a number of them he wants to present to me as it relates
to this particular issue.
Mr. Speaker, as I have said in the past, this need not
have happened. Had the Department of
Education and certainly the then Eastern School District acted upon the
overcrowding concerns over the last number of years instead of just letting it
slide, letting it slide, letting it slide to the point now where we have all the
speciality space taken up at St. Peter's Elementary, all of the speciality space
taken up at Mount Pearl Senior High, we have had to chop it all up into
classroom space. Now, even with that
done, we have even more kids coming and nowhere to put them.
Now we are hearing, of course, that in addition to St. Peter's Elementary
being all chopped up to pieces, now this solution is going to see Newtown
Elementary likewise, chopped up into pieces.
That is definitely not acceptable, Mr. Speaker.
The wrong decision was made here.
I am calling upon the new Minister of Education to do the right thing.
I am calling upon the new Minister of Education to actually listen to the
students, to actually listen to the teachers, to actually listen to the parents
and the families in Mount Pearl, do the right thing, intervene in this matter,
have this decision revisited and provide the appropriate funding so that the
board can make some sensible decisions.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Mr.
Speaker, as per Standing Order 32, Orders of the Day, I move, seconded by the
Minister of Environment and Conservation, that the House now move to Orders of
the Day.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
has been moved and seconded that we now move to Orders of the Day.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, ‘nay'.
Motion carried.
Orders of the Day.
Orders of the Day
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Pursuant to Standing Order 11, I move, seconded by the
Minister of Environment and Conservation, that the House not adjourn at 5:30
p.m. today, Tuesday, May 13, 2014.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
has been moved and seconded that this House do not adjourn at 5:30 p.m. on
Tuesday, May 13, 2014.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, ‘nay'.
Motion carried.
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Once again, pursuant to Standing Order 11, I move,
seconded by the Minister of Child, Youth and Family Services, that the House not
adjourn at 10:00 p.m., Tuesday, May 13, 2014.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
has been moved and seconded that this House do not adjourn at 10:00 p.m. on
Tuesday, May 13, 2014.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, ‘nay'.
Motion carried.
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Under second reading of a bill, I call from the Order
Paper, Order 9, second reading of An Act To Amend The Student Financial
Assistance Act, Bill 16.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.
MR.
O'BRIEN:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Environment and
Conservation, that Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance
Act, be read a second time.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
is moved and seconded that Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial
Assistance Act, be now read a second time.
Motion, second reading of a bill, “An Act To Amend The
Student Financial Assistance Act”.
(Bill 16)
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.
MR.
O'BRIEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am happy to get up in my place in regard to this
amendment. It is a piece of
housekeeping; in essence, that is exactly what it is.
We have, over the last number of years, done some substantial things for
our students in Newfoundland and Labrador, all in the post-secondary side, Mr.
Speaker, in regard to Memorial University, the Marine Institute, the College of
the North Atlantic, and as well in the private sector.
Some of the areas we have invested, which one of them
was highlighted in this Budget, were the reducing of student debt in that we are
now going to convert all student loans to grants over the next two years.
That will be about a $14.7 million investment over those two years and
approximately $50.6 million over the next five years.
Mr. Speaker, as I just said as well, about 7,000
students will avail of the upfront grants.
We have invested in regard to the tuition freeze.
Again this year we invested about $5.1 million to continue the tuition
freeze. That has put the total
investment of the provincial government, since 2005, at the total of about $283
million to maintain that tuition freeze in Newfoundland and Labrador.
That puts us as leaders in the country in regard to how we supported our
students, and how we have engaged our youth.
That is not referencing what we have done in regard to
the labour market training programs that we have.
It is mainly populated in regard to student population by youth in our
Province, Mr. Speaker, who would avail of those particular programs in CNA and
the private colleges to become skilled tradespeople in the Province, and avail
of the opportunities and the economic growth that we see in our Province.
In saying all that, Mr. Speaker, in regard to those
investments and this one in particular, there is the $14.7 million investment
over the next two years with a $50.6 million investment over the five years.
It is incumbent on us as a government to protect the money that we spend.
In this case here, this amendment will enable us to draft some
regulations around the particular amendment and put some policies in place to
address that issue. That is the
protection of the investment that we have made in our students.
Most of the 7,000 students who will receive the upfront
grants will make great use of them.
Most of them, if not all of them, when they receive it – and we are going to try
to get that very soon after they attend the particular post-secondary education
facility that they would choose to further their education, they will actually
get that very quickly. As a matter
of fact, within the first week that they actually come to St. John's or if they
are from St. John's that they register.
Then they will spend that money, Mr. Speaker.
We must remember that most of the cost to a student is
in the first couple of weeks after they get here in regard to Memorial
University. They have to buy
textbooks. They have to buy certain
things they need in regard to pursuing their education.
They have to invest in probably a laptop or whatever it may be, Mr.
Speaker. The bottom line of what I
am saying is the amount they get in regard to that grant is usually spent within
the first number of days that they get here.
In saying that, Mr. Speaker, we might have a number of
those students who might for some reason or another decide university is not
right for me, I do not want to be at this.
So off they go and they do not pursue a post-secondary education.
We have to have an ability to recover that grant.
It is really important for a number of reasons why we should recover that
grant.
Number one is the student should not have it because
the student is not in school. The
second thing is when we recover it, it enables us to revert that number into the
pot again and service more students, other students who might avail of that
grant as well. So we recover the
money, it goes back into the pot and is reverted into the system again to other
students we might want to cover off.
It is very important that this is clearly understood.
The other piece at this time that I want to reference
is – and I (inaudible) my officials.
I want to make absolutely sure that when we develop those regulations and
policies, that there is a mechanism in place for appeal.
Because there might be some extenuating circumstances where a student
might not be able to go forward.
They might be diagnosed with some type of a sickness and might have to suspend
their intention in regard to pursuing a particular post-secondary education
faculty, and then decide they might come back at a later time when they are in
better health.
I think that particular person should have the
mechanism in place where they should not have to pay.
Because they would not have foreseen such a circumstance that they would
have a challenge in regard to pursuing their dreams.
I think we should be able to help them.
So I made sure that an appeal process was in place.
It is important to point out as well, Mr. Speaker, that
this amendment only deals with creating legislative authority to develop that
regulatory process and required policies to enable us to recover that amount of
money. I do not anticipate for a
second, Mr. Speaker, there is going to be a whole lot of action in regard to
recovery process. I think
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, our students in the high school system are
absolutely pursuing their careers and their dreams.
I see that all the time. I
think there are more and more of our graduates coming out of the high school
programs, going into the college system, or going into Memorial University,
Marine Institute. Our numbers are
up, and I see it day-in, day-out.
It is great to actually go to a graduation or a prom or
a cap-and-gown ceremony. Actually,
when they are announcing the person's name walking across the stage, in my case,
in Gander, that is done the Christmas after.
They have already done one semester in their chosen career path and they
mention where they are. It is great
to be able to sit, listen, and see these people with the expressions on their
face as they go across that stage.
Not only are they proud to have achieved what they have achieved in their high
school programs, but as well they have gone on to the post-secondary side and
they are pursuing that particular dream they have.
Mr. Speaker, I am not going to talk too long on this
particular amendment. I think in my
mind we have invested heavily in regard to our students.
We have engaged with our students right across this Province.
As a matter of fact, I have met with the student body on maybe three or
four occasions since October alone.
I like to listen to what they say.
They give me suggestions in regard to what they see as their challenges and what
I could do as the minister responsible for post-secondary education to relieve
some of those challenges.
One of the things I heard loud and clear was that they
need loans converted to grants. That
would reduce their debt tremendously and give them an opportunity at life.
Coming out of the system with less debt, they are able to pursue their
other dreams in regard to owning a vehicle, to buying a house, to pursuing other
interests such as vacations, or whatever it may be.
I think we have done well in regard to our government
in enabling students to do just that.
I really believe that in my heart and my soul, especially when you hear
people from elsewhere in Canada who reference Newfoundland and Labrador as being
the leaders in the country.
I know in this case here, in regard to the conversion
of loans to grants, there was a celebration day at Memorial University.
They invited all MUN students to come and celebrate a great day.
I was not there. I was not
able to be there. I was elsewhere in
the Province, but I know there were others there, people from in this House
here, on this side of the House and on the other side of the House, who went.
I think it was a great day.
It was a great day for students and a great day for Newfoundland and Labrador –
really a great day.
I think, in regard to the investments we have made as a
government since 2005 in our students, it is a wise investment.
We hear and heard long, a lot of people have referenced the students as
our future. Well, the bottom line of
it is that we have recognized that; they are the future.
That is the reason why, not only have we invested in programs to reduce
their debt, we have also invested heavily in regard to their infrastructure.
They absolutely need quality education, and I think Memorial University
is absolutely providing that. I
think the College of the North Atlantic is absolutely providing that, and Marine
Institute is absolutely providing that type of standard that we all expect in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
As a matter of fact, one of the reasons – and a lot of
people think that the only reason that we have an influx of students from
outside the Province pursuing their dreams at Memorial University is just
because it is cheaper, but it is not that at all.
Memorial University has some quality programs.
We even have professors who are coming from away replacing professors who
do not want to be there anymore.
Anyway, Mr. Speaker, that is something else.
As a matter of fact, I could probably make a speech on that alone.
I will not, because it has nothing to do with this amendment.
I see that you are smiling and letting me away with a little bit of a
grey area here, and I appreciate that, Mr. Speaker.
I had to reference it because –
MR.
SPEAKER:
You
are shifting beyond grey; you are getting pretty black there now, so bring
yourself back.
MR.
O'BRIEN:
I
will bring myself back now, Mr. Speaker.
I think it is good to reference those things in regard
to this amendment. The people of the
Province, I think, recognize that we have invested heavily in our post-secondary
education system. I really think
that it is a wise investment, but I think as well, as this amendment speaks to,
that we have to protect that investment.
Even though we invest, we cannot have it abused and we have to make sure
that we have a recovery system in place just in case a person might take
advantage of it for some reason or another.
As well, I want to reference one more time before I
take my place in this House – and I welcome any other comments from across the
House or by my own colleagues on this side of the House – in that I also firmly
believe that you have to have an appeal system in place just in case there are
students who might be challenged in some way or another, legitimately
challenged, that they did not foresee when they came here to Memorial University
from wherever they came from in Newfoundland and Labrador, including the
Northeast Avalon and the Avalon to pursue their dreams, that they should be able
to be relieved of that particular grant if that challenge is legitimate, Mr.
Speaker.
With that, again I say that this is really an amendment
that is a housekeeping amendment, that piece here in the House.
It is an important piece because it protects the investment of the
dollars that we would invest in those particular students and Memorial
University, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR.
KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a pleasure for me to stand and speak to this Bill
16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.
I would just like to say off the top, thank you to the officials from the
Department of Advanced Education and Skills for providing us with a briefing
regarding the legislation. It was
extremely helpful, not only to get information regarding this legislation, this
particular investment, but also to get a better understanding of some of the
other issues that the financial aid division is facing, and some of the
logistical issues when it comes to the disbursement of student loans and so on.
It is very, very helpful.
I would like to say that as somebody who has a history
of student advocacy that really goes back I suppose to my twenties, I believe
this is good legislation. This is a
good policy and it is a long time coming.
I just want to go back over a little bit of the history
here. We have an interesting history
of student financial aid in Newfoundland and Labrador.
If we look back to the late 1960s, we even had a policy in place where
not only was there no tuition, but students received sort of a salary, a
bursary, that paid them to go to school, much like what a grant would really
entail today.
There has been a lot of change through the 1970s,
through the 1980s, and the 1990s, a lot of pressure on this Province, especially
at times when the federal government has had financial difficulty.
Difficulty with filling the Treasury and periods of economic hardship in
this Province, to say nothing of the period following the cod moratoriums in
1992 when student financial aid and tuition, post-secondary education in this
Province came under significant strain.
Students have been lobbying for this particular policy
for some time. As was pointed out
last night in the debate here in the Legislature on the Budget, they have shown
themselves to be quite effective over the years in lobbying for progressive
changes to student financial aid and other policies associated with
post-secondary education in this Province.
I have to point out the minister was talking about
students coming here from elsewhere.
The last large-scale study I oversaw at Memorial University prior to my election
in 2011 culminated in a report called Matriculating Eastward and it looked at
Atlantic Canadian students coming to this Province to study, and coming to
Memorial University in particular, as a result of our policies on tuition.
In the subsequent years since I got elected, a graduate
student by the name of Melanie Greene has done a very good job of putting that
research out there. In fact, she
just had a second article published in an academic journal now reporting some of
the results of what the tuition policies have done to attract students here,
coming here physically and also studying via distance.
There has been a lot of work done and she continues to hammer that out.
I am just going to come back to that in a while, but
during the 2011 election, in the lead-up to that, the Canadian Federation of
Students, Newfoundland and Labrador produced a document around financial aid and
other changes they were hoping for.
The three political parties adopted pieces of that particular platform document,
the students' platform document, into their own political policies.
In the end, all three political parties advocated doing this.
After the election in 2011, I know the former Minister
of Advanced Education and Skills along with the then Premier went down to
Memorial University. I guess it was
around their day of action, which was trying to draw attention to student issues
on campus. The Premier and the
former Minister of Advanced Education and Skills then signed a pledge on this
particular issue, on the issue of access to post-secondary education.
Maybe the minister signed it as well.
I remember it was widely reported subsequent to that the former Premier
opining about her wanting to see the elimination of tuition altogether, more or
less going back to where the Province was in the 1960s.
Now, not much was done after that.
I worked with students across the Province to produce a petition, which I
presented a number of times here in the House of Assembly, around grants, not
loans. I presented that several
times. I am certainly not taking any
credit myself for this getting done because I believe the students themselves,
through their own advocacy efforts, deserve all of the credit here.
I note that in an article last July, the then Acting
Minister of Advanced Education and Skills, I believe he declined to be
interviewed by The Telegram newspaper,
but there was an article in The Telegram
last July. I remember reading it
when I was out on a camping trip. I
believe I was out on the beautiful Bonavista Peninsula, out in Lockston Path
Provincial Park, and I remember reading in the newspaper about this particular
issue. I guess the reporter who
wrote it expressed some skepticism, as did the Opposition Parties, as to whether
or not this particular policy was ever going to see the light of day.
I know that the then Acting Minister of Advanced Education and Skills
pointed back to their platform document and said that this policy would be
subject to financial considerations.
I guess really it was subject to financial
considerations because one of the key considerations would be whether or not the
government would decide to borrow $1 billion this year to finance its election
platform Budget. So, obviously, that
financial consideration was considered and government decided to borrow the
money. Now we have this policy and a
number of other things that the government is now trotting out through the door
and bringing to the floor, as it struggles in the face of declining opinion
polls and other difficulties that the government has, as a result of it having
to stand on its record.
Of course, we see that across the country when it comes
to the evolution of government, to sort of the wax and the wane and the ebb and
the flow of the political process.
Basically, one of the things that is going on here is
that while it appears that this policy is going to be – because I think there is
some misunderstanding. I think there
is some difficultly sometimes trying to communicate things to people.
Because when things are announced in the Budget it seems like it is
imminent, like the Corner Brook hospital, for example.
It seems like it is imminent.
It seems like it is going to happen this year, or very soon, and this is not
going to happen this year. This is
going to happen, be fully implemented, on August 1, 2015.
In August of this year, the grant portion will be increased by $20 and
the loan portion will be reduced by $20.
In the following year, it will come into full force.
Obviously, that is going to be a challenge to
implement because you are sort of just more or less tweaking it this year and
then bringing it fully in. So,
instead of a policy where you come in and you change it and bring it in, this
phase-in process will obviously add an extra step.
If you know anything about Information
Technology, because we did pass a bill here in the Legislature – I am wondering
if it was last year, if it was not last year it was the year before with respect
to the electronic disbursement of financial aid.
A lot of this stuff is keyed in now and it is
really efficient, I have to say that.
The public servants who co-ordinate all of this, oversee it, get down to
the nitty-gritty and do the hard work here, they did an excellent job and these
loans are provided to students on the first day of class as a result of that
bill. We pass in harmonization that
has taken place with the federal student loan program.
I am sure there are people here, lots of MUN
graduates, a lot of Memorial University graduates here in the Legislature, you
remember lining up to get your student loan in the Thompson Student Centre.
It could be weeks into your semester before you get a few bucks to buy
your books. Sometimes you would not
get a chance to get a deal on your books because you are waiting for money.
We do not have that problem anymore and it is a good credit, I think, to
the previous piece of legislation that we passed.
I do not think that was really obvious at the time, but that is one of
the great things that have happened.
Currently, when it comes to the loan and grant
combination system that we have, the students receive the loan portion upfront
and then the grant portion is disbursed to them six to eight weeks following the
commencement of their academic term.
Whether that is at Memorial University of Newfoundland, the Grenfell campus, the
Corner Brook campus, whether at Marine Institute or the College of the North
Atlantic, one of the campuses there, or one of the private training institutions
that is more or less the way it works now.
That is the way I assume it is going to happen
in the coming year. While there will
be a change in the amounts, the $20 up and the $20 down, in the subsequent year
when this comes into full force in the academic year that begins in September of
2015, the full amount of the grant will be dispersed right away.
Students will receive the full amount right away.
Well, immediately we sort of create questions about oh well, what if –
and look, by and large, for the most part, there is not going to be wide-scale
abuse, I do not think. I do not
think people are nefarious or ill intended in that way.
There are certainly exceptions to every rule, but we have to trust people
on their merit and on their word and on their signature.
So, everybody will receive the funds upfront.
Now, in the event where someone does not continue into the semester, they
drop out for some reason – that happens all the time; students drop out for a
variety of reasons. They might drop
out because you are just are not suited, you are just are not interested in the
program that you are enrolled in; that happens.
Students drop out for a variety of other reasons: illness, bereavement,
issues that are family related, and a variety of different intervening
circumstances can come into place. A
lot of the times we hope that students are able to persevere and be resilient
and continue, but inevitably life intervenes sometimes and people do have to
step back and discontinue their studies.
If that happens – and that is why I think there is some
confusion with respect to the wording of this bill.
What the government is doing through its policy is converting the loans
into grants; but if you read the explanatory note on the bill it says that it
“will allow the minister to make regulations with respect to converting grants
to student loans.” It seems like
they have it wrong in the explanatory note;, but you have to understand what is
going to happen is, in the event that someone receives the full amount of the
grant upfront and they discontinue their studies and there is not a way to claw
it back or the person does not pay it back, if the person enrolls again in
January or after Christmas or what have you for another term and they get a
student loan, then you can claw back the amount that was over paid.
If somebody received a sixteen-week grant, they were in school for eight
weeks, they had to pay rent and they had to have food and they probably bought
supplies and books and what have you, but they did not have that weekly expense
cost that is accounted for in the loan and grant program or in the grant
program. They did not incur that
cost for eight weeks. That money has
to be paid back somehow.
You can pay it back.
You can write a cheque and pay it back.
You can have it clawed back on the disbursement of the grant that you get
in the subsequent semester; or let's say you do not enrol in the next semester,
maybe you do not go to post-secondary again at all for years or ever again, you
have to try to find a way to recoup those funds that were paid out of the public
purse through this grant. What would
happen then is the minister has the authority, through regulation, to convert
that grant into a loan so it can be returned and repaid as if it was a loan.
I think that is the sort of contradiction.
When we looked at the explanatory note on here, it
seems to run counter to what the policy is doing.
This piece of legislation is more or less enabling the minister to make
that conversion in order to ensure that those who are ineligible for the grant
disbursement, pay it back through as if it was a student loan in the event there
was an over award and there is not another mechanism to get it repaid, whether
through an adjustment, or we would say a clawback in the subsequent semester, or
through an immediate repayment.
That is basically it.
I think it is relatively straightforward.
I would add a cautionary note however, and I have said this here in the
House of Assembly before. I think it
is worthy of mentioning again.
Everyone here will have to agree that policies such as
this – we all agree are good policies – should be based on evidence.
Students feel like yes, they have the evidence by virtue of their own
experience in the post-secondary system, that it is an arduous process of paying
for education and paying for loans and all of that.
They have personal experience that provides that evidence.
I do not dispute that. There
is a need to conduct further follow-up studies.
Remember I told you the last large-scale study that I
worked on at Memorial University, we looked at the tuition fee policy, and we
looked at how it was attracting students from outside of the Province.
Because there was all of this evidence that there were declining
enrolments or stagnant enrolments at universities in other Atlantic Provinces in
the Maritimes while ours were going up.
We had this population of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick
students, and some PEI students, that were going up.
So we went out and we interviewed them.
We talked to them. We asked
them why. We tried to connect the
dots. We tried to see whether or not
what we thought based on the enrolment data was in fact the case.
That is what we should do here.
When we are taking taxpayers' dollars and investing it in new programs
like this one, whereby we are more or less paying out into a grant for students
to go to school, we should try to find out what the outcomes are, especially
through surveys, interviews, focus groups, and those sorts of things.
Not just surveys, too; you can analyze the registrarial
data. You can look at who enrolled,
who showed up, who did not show up, how they progressed, and how quickly they
progressed. We always talk about
timely completion, whether students complete their college or university program
within the recommended period of time for completion of that program.
In the case of a Bachelor of Arts, that would be four years.
Is that happening? Is it
making it easier? Are they
finishing? Is it making things
longer or shorter? Do we have more
graduations? Do we have fewer
completions? There are all sorts of
questions to be answered here.
What about the transition to the workforce?
Is it easier? What about the
impact on their household spending?
Does it make it easier for them to get a mortgage?
Does it make it easier for them to get a car loan?
Does it make it easier for them to have their own children, get an RESP,
and save for their child's post-secondary education themselves?
Those are all sorts of important questions.
I think the unfortunate thing that has gone on in the last decade or so
is that a lot of those programs we had, and study and analysis, the
ambitiousness towards evidence-based policy, has really receded.
We do not do that anymore. I
do not know why. Some people say:
Oh, well, you do not want to know.
You do not want to know what the answer is because you want to think you are
right. I do not know.
I do not really believe that.
I think we want to know that these policies are sound,
it is a good investment of taxpayers' money, and we can look at data, whether
that is, like I said, through surveys, registrarial data, or interviews with
post-secondary students and graduates.
We look at all of that say: Yes, see?
Maybe that will enable us to take the next step into other areas that are
reasonably progressive because the data will show what sorts of tools we need
and what policy instruments we need to enact and to create in order to further
build the post-secondary system, create more access, attract students from
elsewhere, and so on and so forth.
I think one of the areas we really ought to be looking
at is who is really left out. We
have had a lot of universal programs, some based on needs such as this one, but
what is happening with students with disabilities?
What is happening with our Aboriginal youth?
What is happening with our rural youth versus our urban youth?
There are different groups in our society of Newfoundland and Labrador
youth who are differently impacted by the challenges of the post-secondary
system.
Then what is happening with older learners?
Are policies such as this one helping them?
Is this something that is helping them to participate at a greater rate
in college or university? Because if
we look at that Outlook 2020 document, we see all these jobs are becoming
available but we know the vast majority of jobs that are going to be available
over the next decade require some form of post-secondary education, whether it
is a certificate of qualification in a trade, or a college diploma or
certificate, or some certification from a university.
We know those jobs are going to be open, and we know
our young people and our not-so-young people need to be trained.
We know when there are major adjustments in our economy, in our workforce
– and they are happening in some sectors, it is still happening – we know that
we need to enable people to go one or another direction to change their career
path, because we know people have many jobs throughout the course of their
careers today. Not like when many of
us were going through our careers. I
am a little younger, so maybe it has been a little different for me, but I am
not looking at you, minister.
In any case, I think I will close it off there.
I think it is really important to have evidence-based policy.
It really enables us to have even better legislation and policies.
I do support this, and I will be happy to vote in favour.
Thank you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER (Verge):
The
hon. the Member for Port au Port.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CORNECT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is indeed a pleasure and honour to stand in this
House this afternoon to debate Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial
Assistance Act.
Mr. Speaker, as the explanatory note says, “This Bill
would amend the Student Financial Assistance Act to allow the minister to make
regulations with respect to converting grants to student loans.”
Mr. Speaker, if you look at this piece of legislation
this afternoon and you read the analysis, under part 1, section (f), it says,
“the Student Financial Assistance Act is repealed and the following substituted:
(f) respecting the recovery of student loans, awards and grants given in error
or in excess of an amount permissible under this Act including the circumstances
under which all or part of a grant is to be converted into a student loan”.
Mr. Speaker, in our efforts to continue supporting affordable and
accessible post-secondary education here in this Province, our Budget just
released a couple of months ago now provides $14.7 million over two years to
eliminate the provincial student loans, an approximate investment of $50.6
million over five years.
Mr. Speaker, when we look at the student assistance,
student aid package here in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, we are
the envy of the country. Students
from outside the Province look at this Province as the most affordable and
accessible place to get post-secondary education.
I would say we are probably number one on the radar.
This legislation will amend the Student Financial
Assistance Act to allow for the recovery of student grants that had been deemed
ineligible through a system of repayments similar to the student loan.
Mr. Speaker, as the minister alluded to previously in his remarks, the
minister said that every year approximately 7,000 students receive upfront
grants, assistance to help pay for their post-secondary education.
This legislative amendment this afternoon will allow for the recovery of
any grants that are deemed to be ineligible.
Mr. Speaker, these changes that we are debating this
afternoon – and hopefully we will get unanimous consent from the House of
Assembly and all members of the House because this will certainly aid students
in our Province and outside of our Province who are coming to do schooling here
in our Province. These changes will
help the provincial government retrieve ineligible portions of a grant and
utilize those funds to assist students in their post-secondary education and
career goals.
Mr. Speaker, it is very important to note and to point
out that this amendment only deals with creating the legislative authority to
develop the regulatory process and required policies.
Once the amendment has been approved, regulations and policies will be
finalized.
With the complete elimination of the provincial student
loans and replacement with up-front, needs-based grants, students will see a
significant reduction in the amount to be repaid as a student loan.
Let me give you a couple of examples, Mr. Speaker.
For example, a student attending the College of the North Atlantic
completing a one-year program will benefit by having his or her average student
loan monthly payments reduced by 42.1 per cent.
Saying that, when we convert it to dollars, means they will go from $113
per month to $67 per month.
Interestingly enough, a student at Memorial University
of Newfoundland completing a four-year undergraduate program will benefit be
having his or her average student loan monthly payments reduced by 44.4 per
cent; from $300 per month to $167 per month.
This amendment will also allow for the arranging of a payment schedule
that will be similar to a student loan.
Mr. Speaker, I want to tell you and I want to tell the
people in the Province, as well, that since 2005 our government has invested
more than $282 million to freeze tuition, making Newfoundland and Labrador
students the envy of the country. It
is the hope of our provincial government that these types of initiatives will
strongly encourage students to pursue their post-secondary education in this
Province and that they will choose to stay here and play a role in the
Province's continued success. We all
know, Mr. Speaker, that the job outlook in Newfoundland and Labrador is very
strong and, in the coming years, we will need a well-educated workforce to meet
the labour demand.
When we look at the student assistance programs and the
student aid programs that we have in our Province, we also have to look at the
investments that have been made in the post-secondary institutions as well.
To have an educated population, to have people go on to post-secondary
education, we need to have institutions that will meet those demands and meet
those market demands and meet those education demands as well.
So, Mr. Speaker, what we have done through Budget 2014
– I am just going to highlight or name some of the investments.
In the College of the North Atlantic, $1.5 million to support
high-demand, high-priority programs.
At MUN's Fisheries and Marine Institute, $1.9 million to increase base funding,
that is year three of a three-year initiative at the Fisheries and Marine
Institute, to continue the expansion of educational programming, research and
student services for continued growth in the ocean sector.
Mr. Speaker, we look at MUN Faculty of Engineering and
Applied Science, $1.1 million investment to continue the expansion of the
Faculty of Engineering and Applied Science at Memorial, year three of an
eight-year initiative in the priority areas of ocean, Arctic and offshore energy
to support major project development and encourage private sector industry
partnerships. This investment, Mr.
Speaker, will also support increasing enrolment of undergraduate and graduate
students at the faculty.
When we talk about students, we look at the initiatives
we have for students in regard to summer employment.
Mr. Speaker, our government –
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I would ask the member to make his comments relative to
the bill that we are discussing.
MR.
CORNECT:
Mr.
Speaker, when we look at our investments in students in the Province, we are
very proud of our initiatives. We
are proud of our record, and we remain committed to supporting post-secondary
students and institutions in the years ahead in the Province of Newfoundland and
Labrador.
Thank you for the occasion to speak on this bill this
afternoon.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair.
MS
DEMPSTER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I, too, as the provincial critic for Advanced Education
and Skills, am happy to stand and speak for a few minutes to Bill 16, An Act To
Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.
Any time, Mr. Speaker, that we are investing in
students and helping make life easier for students, I believe that is paying
dividends back. When you look back,
you see that this was a commitment made by this government back in 2011, so we
have been waiting a little while. It
was a Blue Book commitment that stated we would eliminate the provincial student
loan over four years and replace it with an up-front, needs-based program.
Mr. Speaker, we know that the Canadian Federation of
Students and many of our post-secondary groups have been calling on this for
some time. We are very happy to see
now that it is coming down and that it will be phased in over a two-year period.
Investing in post-secondary education of citizens, we
know that it just makes good sense all the way around because there are many
studies already that show that education is a primary determent of health.
So, you see the two are closely linked.
Replacing the provincial portion of the student loan with a needs-based
grant; by doing that, we are going to be lowering the financial burden of our
students and allowing them to get on their feet when they come out of school.
This, in turn, will help to make a stronger economy here in Newfoundland
and Labrador. This is a very
positive step.
By coming out and having less debt, they then have more
money to purchase a home. Things
that young families need when they are starting out, a car.
It will have a positive trickle-down effect, I believe, on the effects to
health care as well, given the links that we know are there that exist between
education, income, and health.
We know there is a direct link between low education
levels and very low income. Often
people with very low income have the poorest health.
By investing I say into the post-secondary students and helping them, it
is going to pay dividends back.
Mr. Speaker, we know a full grant system will help to
bridge the gap between the rich and the poor.
That is a very positive thing for the Province.
Low-income students face increased barriers.
I saw that many times in my two decades of working with students in rural
communities. By helping them
graduate school now without being saddled with debt of astronomical proportions,
I believe it is socially and economically responsible.
It is responsible for government to do this.
I am very, very happy to see they are implementing a plan, carrying out a
commitment they made a number of years ago.
Mr. Speaker, given the rural reality of our Province –
more than half of the Province made up of rural – students in rural communities
have to incur much more expense than those living closer to the service, closer
to the post-secondary institutions.
I am going to reference to my district.
Everyone here in the House has heard me stand up many times and talk
about our transportation issues and the high cost.
You can imagine a student who wants to go home for Christmas and wants to
go home during Easter or something like that.
Mr. Speaker, I remember back in the late 1980s when I
was here at Memorial, most of the people in my class were going down south for a
week on Easter break. They were
doing that at a much lower cost than what I was trying to get home to Labrador
for. I was paying $500 for a return
ticket all those years ago back in the late 1980s.
By replacing the student loans with a needs-based
grant, it is certainly going to help the people in rural communities, Mr.
Speaker. Students who come from
many, many situations where both of the parents are on fixed income and so there
is a limitation there with the support they can provide to the students.
Mr. Speaker, we know that Budget 2014 committed to
this. Also, if we look back we see
that Budget 2012 and Budget 2013 alluded to this.
When you look a little deeper, you see the amount of student financial
services in the last year has actually taken a little dip from prior years.
Mr. Speaker, just to explain for the people who might
be watching and wondering how the provincial Student Aid program works, we know
that depending on your assessed need you could receive up to $140 per week of
study in provincial loans and grants.
The first $60 of the $140 is a repayable student loan.
Then we know that if your assessed need for the provincial portion
exceeds $60 per week, the remaining amount, up to the maximum of $80 per week,
will be issued in the form of a non-repayable grant.
We know the eligibility is determined when you apply
for a student loan for full-time studies.
I think it is a very positive thing, Mr. Speaker, that this grant is then
deposited upfront, right into your bank account.
My colleague referenced the lining up and having long waits to collect
your eligibility certificate in the past in order to get your funds.
It is true that when you come in, and especially
students from rural, there is a lot of money you need out of pocket in the first
few weeks. When you come in and you
are securing an apartment, Mr. Speaker, the damage deposit that you pay.
Sometimes right now in the city, because it is very difficult to get an
apartment and the cost is high, students from my district are actually having to
start paying for an apartment perhaps as early as June or July.
They are really taxed. The
income into those homes, some homes that have two and three students entering
into post-secondary the one time, the financial support is just not there.
These are the kinds of families that by replacing the student loans with
the needs-based grants are going to be helped tremendously from this.
I want to say, Mr. Speaker, the tuition freeze was a
wonderful thing in this Province. We
know that was something that was implemented by a Liberal government back in
1999. That has certainly helped.
Now I am happy to see that we are taking this one step further.
In addition to a tuition freeze, we are going to completely work toward
eliminating the loans all together.
Mr. Speaker, I do want to mention that the Canadian
Federation of Students has estimated that for an investment of approximately $13
million per year, the remaining provincial loan could be replaced with a full
provincial loan program of non-repayable grants that would help over 7,000
students per year. There is a point
of clarity and we can ask that later when we are asking questions because that
number I just quoted does not quite jive with the government's commitment to the
Canadian Federation of Students in 2011 of the $18.9 million over four years.
Mr. Speaker, I am just going to speak for a moment on
the impact of debt on students. Debt
is responsible for lower levels of university and college completion, not to
mention, Mr. Speaker, the financial stress that is disproportionately borne by
those from low-income backgrounds.
As I mentioned, especially in rural communities where families live on fixed
income, it is unbelievable what some people are getting by with in my district;
$1,000, $1,500 a month into the home.
They simply do not have the money.
So those families will benefit tremendously, Mr. Speaker, from this
needs-based grant program.
Mr. Speaker, if we are talking about eliminating
poverty, if we are talking about growing the population, education is the key.
I think it was yesterday I quoted it here, that Nelson Mandela quote that
I love. He said: education is the
weapon in which we can use to change the world.
Mr. Speaker, we need to start doing more things to
target low- income families, to put the supports in place so that kids who are
coming from low-income families, kids who come from homes where they are on
fixed income, their parents are, they need to be given an opportunity to go out
and have a college degree and get a college diploma or acquire a university
degree the same way that families who are more well-to-do would be able to
afford. These are the kinds of
things that bridges the gap in our society between the very low-income, the
working poor, to the more wealthy in our Province.
I am not that old, I am not going to date myself, but I
remember growing up as a teenager most of the people, especially the young men
along our rural communities, dropped out of high school and they went in the
fishing boat. Even if they had a
dream of going to university, the money just was not there in the home.
Big families in small communities, many with eight and ten children.
The older children always worked to help provide an income so that the
basic needs of the family were met, which often came down to food and raiment,
clothing and food. Now, Mr. Speaker,
students all around Newfoundland and Labrador will benefit from this act.
I am very pleased to be able to speak to it today, Mr.
Speaker. We see that despite more
than ten years of progressive policy regarding tuition fees, user fees have
increased by over 71 per cent since 1992-1993.
User fees have increased by over 71 per cent – over four times the rate
of inflation. So again, this just
hammers home for us the reality and the great, pressing need that there is for
us to implement this act, Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial
Assistance Act.
In addition to the user fees that are up by 71 per
cent, we know that students are facing rising rental cost, high gas and oil
bills, increasing textbook cost, and an overall increase in the cost of living.
In Labrador, we do have a campus in Labrador City, and with the road
connection students have been looking to that campus as an option.
There are some programs offered at that campus in Labrador City that are
not offered anywhere else around the Province, like the mining technician
program.
Mr. Speaker, it sad, the irony in it, because the
graduate success rate of students getting jobs coming out of that mining tech
program for a number of years consistently have been about 95 per cent; yet,
because of the boom in Labrador City, the cost of rental there has gone up
astronomically. The last two or
three years that I was in my previous job as an employment councillor, there
were students that we actually were able to help with a little bit of funding;
but, in the end, they had to turn down the seat that they had been offered at
the College of the North Atlantic because the rent in Labrador City was just too
high. They could not afford it, and
they did not have supports around them that would enable them to go.
So, that was very sad.
I hope, Mr. Speaker, that as we move away from loans
into a needs-based, that some of those students will now be able to realize
their dreams and go on and be able to help themselves.
Because once you have an education, nobody can take that from you.
When you leave high school, you are not prepared for the job market.
You need to go out and you need to become skilled in a particular area,
and then sometimes you need a little bit of assistance in getting into the
labour market. That is what we need.
We need more Newfoundlanders and Labradorians working in Newfoundland and
Labrador.
I think it is wonderful that the Outlook 2020 is saying
we are going to have all these job openings and we are going to need to bring
some immigrants in to fill the positions, but our first responsibility has to be
to the students, to the young men and women coming out of high school in
Newfoundland and Labrador. They have
to have the first chance at those jobs.
By helping them obtain a solid education, that is what we are doing.
Mr. Speaker, the Liberal platform back in 2011 replied
that it would commit to continuing to fund the tuition freeze.
We saw the value in that. We
saw the benefit. We saw the
dividends that it would pay.
Extending the tuition freeze would keep tuition fees here for university and
college students the second lowest in Canada behind domestic tuition fee levels
for Quebec residents.
Mr. Speaker, that makes our Province a very enticing
Province to study in for post-secondary students.
I know for a number of years I was involved with the med faculty over at
Memorial University. It was amazing
even how many international students were coming and applying to study here
because Memorial University has a sound reputation for good studies, and we have
great tuition rates here.
I just want to say that between 2011 and 2013 more than
400,000 students borrowed money to help pay for more schooling.
That is according to the Canadian Federation of Students.
With this amendment to the Schools Act, I am delighted with the number of
students we are going to be able to help.
In January 2014, the youth unemployment rate in the
country was 13.9 per cent, according to Statistics Canada.
In 2013, young people in the Atlantic Provinces and Ontario had the
highest unemployment rate according to a report released by the Canadian Centre
for Policy Alternatives.
Mr. Speaker, one of the ways to eliminate or try and
reduce a high youth unemployment rate is through educating our youth and giving
them that opportunity to go out, find employment, and support their own self.
We know the amendment under the amendment to the Student Financial
Assistance Act – AES we know is seeking an amendment to the Student Financial
Assistance Act to develop regulations and policy to provide the authority for
government to collect in Newfoundland and Labrador student grants that are
deemed to be ineligible.
This is a very important amendment, Mr. Speaker,
because we want the money to benefit the people who need it most.
If the funding goes out to someone who might have dropped out or might
have miscalculated the amount of funding in the pre-study period, then it is
very, very important. The government
has an onus and has a responsibility because it is the taxpayers' dollars.
They have a responsibility to collect on student grants that are deemed
ineligible.
Mr. Speaker, I would love to stand up and talk about an
amendment to collect the outstanding debt in the fines department.
I think it may be running up close to around $38 million.
Imagine what we could do for our students if we had some of those
millions right now. Yet, sadly, we
see some of those people who owe tens of thousands of dollars in fines are still
out on the road driving around in their vehicles.
We need the amendment, Mr. Speaker, because currently
students are eligible for up to $140 a week provincial funding, $80 in a grant,
and $60 in a loan. We know the loan
will be dispersed the first day of class.
That is a very positive thing because as I said earlier that is when most
of the cost is incurred and the student is expected to pay out of pocket.
With the full implementation, students eligible for up to $140 a week
provincial funding will now be $140 grant and zero in loans.
That is going to be a happy day when students start benefiting from that
total grant that will be dispersed on the first day of class.
I am very pleased to speak for a few minutes to the
act. I think it is a very positive
thing. It would have been wonderful
if it could have been implemented and brought in one phase.
Instead, we know possibly there will be a little bit of confusion as this
is phased in over two years. We will
gauge that and see how it goes.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to point out for the purpose
of the people listening what would be considered ineligible: an increase in or
misreporting of the students pre-study and/or in-study resources.
We know that would maybe not make them ineligible for the entire grant,
but they would be ineligible for a portion of that.
Of course, a student who would have a withdrawal from full-time studies
or quit school, we know they would be ineligible.
How will the ineligible grants be recovered?
Mr. Speaker, we know there will be an adjustment to subsequent student
financial assistance awards. They
will be required to repay immediately.
The repayment process would be similar to what is in place right now with
the student loan.
Mr. Speaker, I am very happy; I will be supporting the
amendment to Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.
I think those are the kind of things that we need to continue to do to
support our students and do all we can to help them get the education and get
started on the bright road to their future.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for St. John's East.
MR.
MURPHY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I take great pleasure in being able to speak here for a
few minutes on Bill 16, the amendment to the Student Financial Assistance Act.
This is a piece of legislation that our party will be fully supporting,
having looked at it and gotten a very good briefing from the departmental staff
at the time. I have to say all
accolades for this piece of legislation; it is a long time coming.
To the Canadian Federation of Students, when it comes
to activism and pressing an issue, you succeeded, you worked hard to achieve
this, so this victory is for the Canadian Federation of Students.
I have to salute them in their activism on this matter.
It was also a cornerstone of NDP policy.
Years ago, I think I can go back to the 1990s for that when the party at
that particular time picked this particular charge and started speaking out on
this issue. I think everybody has
finally come onside with this, including the provincial government of today who
brought in this piece of legislation we would have to say not a moment too soon.
It is certainly great to see this piece of legislation coming through the
House.
The amendment, of course, gives the government the
authority to redefine that portion of post-secondary grants or student loans if
the student drops out or has earned too much during pre- or in-study period to
qualify for the amount initially granted; a couple of other things that go along
with it.
Again, it is a very long time in coming.
Student loans: I can speak about debt.
We know that for a long time students in this Province have been flying
away for better opportunities, knowing that they have a growing debt burden
caused by probably part of the student loans.
In some cases, you hear of students – and I have heard them many a time
in regard to the amount of debt that they are carrying sometimes well in excess
of that.
For me particularly, when I went back to school I had
the choice, I guess you could say, of going the student loan way, and in the end
chose a very different way to do it.
I had to take into consideration how serious I was to actually go out and get a
student loan at that particular time, knowing that you were going to be taking a
debt load on, knowing that you still had a family, for example, to look after,
knowing that you were going to be taking a choice, a different career choice, if
you will. Going back to school and
considering debt was a very hard decision, and when you were trying to educate
yourself or have your children educated, it is going to be –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I ask all members for their co-operation, please.
MR.
MURPHY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker; it is a little bit distracting at times.
I have to say, when it comes to families having to take
on the choice of carrying debt at the same time, even that is a detriment,
sometimes, to even growing your economy.
When I look upon this particular notion of having students not carrying a
debt load, it is also about families not carrying a debt load, too.
So this is a very important government initiative and another reason why
we have been pushing this for so long, that families as well have to be able to
given the freedom of movement – I will call it the freedom of movement – in
making choices of what to be doing with their own families, and helping their
own children be able to choose a career for the future as well.
Not only to carry that family, or their own family, but to be able to
have a participatory role and being able to achieve something great for our
economy and for our Province, as well as for themselves.
So this is about personal achievement as well, about being able to reach
for that personal goal where a financial burden may have been a detriment to
doing that.
That is the way that I look at that.
Like I said, in my own personal experience at the same time, raising a
family and having the choice of whether to take on that burden, that debt load,
was something great in my mind at that particular time.
I went back to school later on in life and did it my own way, type thing,
and managed to make a better living for my family at the same time as well.
So I hope that this is going to be a positive initiative that people are
going to be able to use to achieve their own goals at the same time.
The important point to remember when I was sitting down
thinking about when I was being asked to speak to this piece of legislation, I
thought about the line: Whoever owns your debt, owns you.
The same goes for a country's economy as much as it does for your own
personal economy too – because if you carry debt load it prevents you from being
able to, in some cases, make freedom of choice here.
So that is why I say that this is probably one of the more important
initiatives here. This is an
initiative, I think, that is going to be able to keep people home in the long
run at the same time. I am very
pleased to be able to get up and speak on this initiative today.
The other thing that I would like to be able to say
about that and just to reinforce it, if you will, now that you are thinking, now
that you are in a position where you probably do not have to deal with a big
load of student debt, it might encourage more people to go back to school.
That is a very pretty important component of this I think that some
people are going to be able to live with and some people are going to be able to
think about it a little bit more that it is never too late to go back to school.
If you can say to yourself that perhaps I want to go back and do a
different field of study, I am bored at the job that I am at now and I want to
improve my own family's well-being, I want to achieve a better income, perhaps
that goal would be there for somebody, like I said, to be able to go back and
that barrier is taken out of the way.
A financial barrier sometimes is a barrier to a person's own betterment
at the same time. I wanted to
reinforce that point.
When I was listening to the minister earlier talking
about the small amount of people who may drop out of the program, when it comes
to dealing with the student loan issue and talking about the recovery of some of
that debt, one of the things that I was thinking about, sometimes students have
difficulties in school that may be brought around by the death of family member,
it could be personal medical issues that they could be dealing with; but another
thing that I also ran into while I was working in the taxi industry, sometimes
you run in to students, for example, that go from one environment where they
were into a smaller school system, for example, and they might run into the
whole culture, what I would call the culture of Memorial University.
When you are talking about Memorial University, you are
talking about pretty much a second city within the City of St. John's.
Just to use the university as an example, you have upwards of about
17,000 students there at any one time, teachers and faculty keeping those
buildings going. You are talking
about some of our younger people simply cannot handle it and they are not used
to that type of schooling, so sometimes they will drop out.
Like I said, for the students that I talked to, I say to the minister, of
all the students that I talked to most of the problems that were dealt with by
the students back then are students that had problems in their first year of
schooling. After that, it was much
easier to go through university and everything.
I would hope there would be a mechanism there for government to be able
to look and see what is happening with students, and hopefully in those
particular cases where there is probably counselling services there that
students are going to be able to avail of.
Hopefully in some cases some of the grants may be written off in those
cases. Because sometimes you might
think you are able to do something and you simply cannot, in spite of trying.
Sometimes you have to move on and try different things.
Again, Mr. Speaker, just to sum up; like I said, a lot
of the points have already been talked about.
Congratulations to all of those students out there who fought for this.
This is your day.
We will be supporting this piece of legislation.
It is good to see government progressing with this.
We wish those students of the future all the best in being able to make
the choice to be able to go back to school.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Cape St. Francis.
MR.
K. PARSONS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
It is a privilege to get up here today and say a few
words on the bill to amend the Student Financial Assistance Act.
Any opportunity I have to get up and talk about our education system, I
feel privileged to get up and speak about it because I am very proud to be part
of this government that has done so much for education in this Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
K. PARSONS:
Mr.
Speaker, when I look at the young people in Newfoundland and Labrador, all I
have to do is look at my own two children who have both gone through education
and seeing the opportunities that they have in front of them.
Any young person in Newfoundland and Labrador today has opportunities
like we have never seen before. It
is a time in our Province when we have never been more successful, opportunities
have never been greater, and our students are taking advantage of it.
Mr. Speaker, a lot of that has to do with the
investments we have been doing in education for the last number of years.
I had an opportunity a couple of times now to get up and speak on the
Budget, and each time I did I just wanted to show where we are making our
investments and things we are doing to make education affordable.
That is what we are doing, basically, here on this bill today.
Well, the bill today is basically about making sure there is something in
place that if a student happens to be – if he has some kind of a reason why he
has to stop his education and there is way to get back the grant or the loan
that is out there for that student.
Mr. Speaker, I just look at the investment of what we
are doing here today. I know hon.
members on both sides got up, and as far as I understand everybody seems like
they are in favour of this bill. It
seems like it is a great piece of legislation.
I think most people realize the savings that we are doing today are
savings to our students. Savings to
our students means they are going to have a brighter future.
They are going to be investing back in our Province, staying here in our
Province, and doing the work. It is
a great opportunity to be a student in Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker.
This investment that we have done in the Budget with
our post-secondary budget announcements was $14.7 million over the next two
years to eliminate the provincial student loans.
Over the next five years, Mr. Speaker, that is going to be a $50.6
million investment. That is a huge
investment and investments we are doing.
I know the hon. Member for Port au Port stood up and
gave us some figures, but I will just go back to what he said.
It kind of really amazed me when I looked at it, Mr. Speaker, because he
talked about the savings to students.
He gave an example of a student from the College of the North Atlantic
for a one-year program. The
reduction in his payment is 42.1 per cent of what he is going to have to pay
back. On an average, like a person
who pays $113 a month will go down to $67 a month.
Mr. Speaker, no matter where you go in our Province and
what student you talk to, they realize the investments that our government has
made over the last number of years in them, in our students, in our young
people, will pay off. It is going to
pay off in the future. Our students
are going to be the best educated, with the finest facilities.
The opportunities that are out there today are second to none.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
K. PARSONS:
Another example he just gave, too. A
Memorial University student with a four-year undergrad program will benefit by
having his or her student loan payments reduced by 44.4 per cent.
Mr. Speaker, that is someone who is paying $300 a month and it goes down
to $167 a month.
Mr. Speaker, never in our history have we done so much
for students in Newfoundland and Labrador.
I am very proud to be a part of this government that has been doing it
since 2003.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
K. PARSONS:
Mr.
Speaker, another figure just to show you, since 2005 our government has invested
$282 million in the freeze in tuition – $282 million.
That is $280 million savings to the young people of Newfoundland and
Labrador.
Mr. Speaker, like I said, there are all kinds of
different investments we have done over the years.
I look at some of the investments when I look over at Memorial University
– and every day I look over there you can see something new going up over there
or some kind of infrastructure plan.
I know there is a new residence over there now.
I am not sure how many units are in that residence, but it is a pretty
huge building.
I can only imagine the stress that is going to take off
families. I know when you are a
young person who comes in here; a young person comes to St. John's to go to MUN.
I am sure the biggest concern to them and their parents are where are
they going to say? With a building
like that and the number of people who can take advantage of that building
there, the pressure and everything else that is off every family who has a
student come in here.
It is a great opportunity for Newfoundland and
Labrador. It is a great opportunity
for our families. It is a great
opportunity for all the young people coming in to get a great education.
Again, Mr. Speaker, never in this Province's history has the
opportunities been better for our young people.
We are getting great education.
Obviously, you have to change.
Not everybody is going to be a teacher.
Like I said last night when I was doing my thing, most of the ones I am
talking to lately, it all seems like they are doing engineering or they are
doing something because they are looking at what is out there.
They are looking at the big megaprojects.
They are looking at what is in the future with oil and gas.
They are looking at everything.
They are looking at all the opportunities out there.
We know in the next number of years there is going to
be a demand for young educated people in this Province.
Mr. Speaker, again, the investments we are making – I look at our young
Pages here today. I am sure they are
all pleased with the investments we are making in education so they can have a
great education. They can do what
they want to do because that is the opportunity they get here today, in
Newfoundland and Labrador, is to be able to decide what I am going to have as a
future. The future for our young
people is the brightest it has ever been.
Mr. Speaker, I heard the hon. Member for St. John's
North mention, and he was positive about it, how they used to always line up
into the Thompson Student Centre, I think he said it was.
They were all trying to get their loans and it was weeks and everything
else before – the way this works now is the first day in there, this grant is
done. The loan is done to you, and
you are off and running again. It is
a time when the worry is over for the families.
The worry is not there anymore that their loan is not gone through yet;
they do not have a place to stay.
This is what we are doing. We are
taking away a lot of pressures put on families.
That is what these investments are doing, like I said, millions and
millions of dollars.
Mr. Speaker, I spoke to a gentleman from Nova Scotia
and he told me his son was coming to MUN.
I said: Oh, yeah. He said:
Newfoundland should be really proud of what they have over there; it is one of
the best facilities in all of Canada.
I am sure there are people from all over Canada coming to Memorial
University, the College of the North Atlantic, and the Marine Institute.
It is because of the quality of the education, number one, because you do
come for quality, but also the cost of our education.
Making it affordable for people to be able to come
here, too, is very important. Who
knows? They may stay and decide:
Listen here, Newfoundland is a whole lot nicer than Nova Scotia.
I am going to stay in that place.
There are a whole lot of places there I would like to visit.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
K. PARSONS:
Mr.
Speaker, again, the other figure that really surprised me on this – well, it did
not surprise me, to tell you the truth.
Do you know what? There are
7,000 students taking advantage of this, 7,000 students that we are helping out
by assisting them and paying post-secondary education with the grants.
Mr. Speaker, this piece of legislation today is
basically to enable us to be able to recover some of the money.
If a person for some reason or another does not go on to his education
and does get the grant, we need some mechanism to be able to get that money back
so we can reinvest it into other people who are looking for grants and loans.
It is not to go out and just say: Listen, you are finished your education
now and you owe us a slew of money.
It may change. Something may change.
I know young people today, it is hard to decide when
you come out of high school that decision.
What am I going to do? You
are seventeen years old and you are looking and figuring, what am I going to do?
Sometimes they change their minds.
Sometimes maybe Memorial University is not for me; maybe the Marine
Institute is. They do decide after a
couple of months. This is just
putting in place a mechanism so we can say, okay, this is the regulation.
There may be some part of this that is already spent, you are not going
to recover, and here is what you spent it on, but there will be a process in
place. That is all this amendment
basically is doing today.
Mr. Speaker, like I said, I feel so strongly about
education and I feel so strongly about the investments our government has made
over the last number of years. I am
sure our students are proud to be Newfoundlanders and Labradorians; I am sure
they are proud their government is doing what they are doing.
I know when an announcement was made from the loans to the grants I was
watching a news clipping. I think it
was on NTV or CBC, one of them.
They were talking to students and
they were just so delighted that here is another thing they are doing and here
is something else we are doing. I am
sure other parties on the other side recognize the value of our students; I am
sure they recognize what our government is after doing, too, and investments in
our students.
Not only have we invested in post-secondary, Mr.
Speaker, but we started right from the level from where we gave free books.
Our investment in making sure young people going up through – the
pressure of books does not cause the parents to worry about the first day of
school. We are doing the same thing
with our post-secondary education with these investments.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to sit down now and just say
that I think as a member for the great district and beautiful District of Cape
St. Francis I am so proud of this government and the investments we have done in
education, both in post-secondary and –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
K. PARSONS:
It
makes me proud every time to be able to get up here in this House of Assembly
and talk about our young people because they are our future.
Mr. Speaker, I know the young people of Newfoundland and Labrador
appreciate the investments we have made in them because they are our future.
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER (Littlejohn):
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I move, seconded by the Minister of Child,
Youth and Family Services, that we adjourn debate on this bill.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
is moved by the Government House Leader and seconded by the Minister of Child,
Youth and Family Services that we adjourn debate.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I call a Concurrence Motion from the Order
Paper, and we will do 2(b), the Resource Committee.
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Conception Bay East – Bell Island.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is an honour to stand in this House again this
afternoon and talk about the discussions around the Resource Committee Estimates
in dealing with a number of very important departments and some very open
discussion we had with our Committee members.
First of all, I am just going to note who members of this Committee are:
the Member for The Straits – White Bay North; Signal Hill – Quidi Vidi;
Bonavista North; Lake Melville; Carbonear – Harbour Grace; Fortune Bay – Cape La
Hune; and myself, Mr. Speaker.
Also, the Resource Committee, the departments we dealt
with and had an open debate on the Estimates were the Department of Advanced
Education and Skills; Fisheries and Aquaculture; Environment and Conservation;
Tourism, Culture and Recreation; Natural Resources; and Innovation, Business and
Rural Development. Mr. Speaker, we
had a good collage there of very important departments who do a lot of social, a
lot of business-oriented stuff, a lot of investment, a lot of our natural
resource development, and a lot of our programs and services that are
ecologically beneficial to the people in this Province.
We had a great debate over our sittings.
Some of our sittings were daytime; some were nighttime.
I had the privilege, Mr. Speaker, of chairing for the third time under
the Estimates of the Resource Committee.
Just when I got elected a little over three years ago
in a by-election, I came into my first sitting in the House and I remember the
House Leader coming to me and saying: You are going to sit on the Resource
Committee. I had no idea what that
meant at the time, just as one of the Committee members.
I remember sitting here trying to get an idea.
I was fairly familiar with the Budget process, but I had never been
intricately connected to the Estimates and the process that went on.
I can remember sitting in on a couple of sittings.
I think one night we went six hours straight with Natural Resources and
had a very open discussion about the start of Muskrat Falls and what it meant.
I can remember the member for the Opposition at the time was
continuously, for a number of hours, throwing out and trying to get away from
the Estimates and the line estimate part of the process, continuously saying
about doubling light bills. Well, we
knew after all this process came and that was dispelled, that was not factual.
Then I got a better understanding of exactly what goes on in Estimates.
Then when I got an opportunity to Chair, I said, well,
we are going to try to stick to exactly the intent of the Estimates.
When we met with the line ministers – and I give credit to the Committee,
I very much give credit to the Committee, for the last three years.
While I understand they want to get into some policy, and that is
relevant, I understand sometimes they want clarification.
The ministers were very co-operative to say there was some leeway.
We can go talk about policy, as long as we deal with the dollar figures
that are there in the Estimates because that is what it is about, verifying that
those dollars are in-line with exactly what programs are going to be offered,
and explaining to the people, because this is what it is.
It is the people's House.
The Opposition, the three parties, all have the ability
to ask questions. They all have a
responsibility to make sure the information out there is open to the general
public, so a business, an individual citizen, or a not-for-profit organization
would understand what programs are being offered, what kind of monies are being
offered for that line, what the time frames are, and in principle some of the
parameters around how you access that.
I give credit.
There were some really good open discussions.
Sometimes there was even some bantering back and forth on debate.
At the end of the day, I found in my three years as Chair all parties
were very respectful of the process and at the end of the day all got signed
off. There was never having to sign
off for the sake of saying we are closing debate.
It did not work that way.
Sometimes you had to try to ask people to stick to the
points and most people did that, if not all.
I have to say, Mr. Speaker, it was one of the pleasant experiences of
taking the lead when we banter back and forth between parties and we have
different philosophies or different approaches to it.
That worked very well. I
found this year it worked equally well as we went through it.
I also want to thank some of the members here because
everybody had very busy schedules getting other people to fill in as we went
through the process. I know the
Member for Baie Verte – Springdale filled in on many times and actually came – I
have to give credit to my colleague here – and sat in.
He was very interested in knowing what was happening.
He was very interested in knowing how that could benefit his part of the
Province and his district, and a better understanding.
When there is a discussion with a minister or when the Opposition are
making points, he would have a clear understanding of whether or not there are
some merits to what they are saying there.
Also the Member for Kilbride who filled in on a number
of occasions, I appreciate that, and my colleague from Port au Port.
There are a number of people who filled in.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
Teamwork.
MR.
BRAZIL:
It
was teamwork across the board. When
people filled in they understood the process.
It happened that members on the opposite side also filled in for each
other. It shows how we look and the
all-party process works. In this
case it worked very efficiently and people got the information they needed.
It was recorded.
The general public has access to it.
There is nothing hidden here.
It is explained. Sometimes there was
probably more detailed information that was needed.
Ministers agreed: ask the questions, send the request, and the
information will be shared. That
process is happening now.
Ministers are gone back to their line departments and
asking: Can you look up what is happening in this; or can you get us a list of
exactly what grants were funded, to what organizations, and what some of the
impacts were? That is information
that was shared. Regardless of who
asked it, it is going to be shared with all Committee members.
I saw that as a very positive thing as we went through.
As I noted, you really look at the departments that we
discussed here. Advanced Education
and Skills is perhaps the most broad-range department we have in this government
right now when you look at the social programs, the employment programs, some of
the supportive mechanisms we have there, some of the youth initiatives we have,
particularly around some of the new creative initiatives we have, and some of
the issues around persons with disabilities and housing.
There are a number of things there that actually made it so there was
never going to be a dull moment. As
you went through one heading and passed that, there was going to be some good
discussion, but you could see the flow, and the flow in this department was
about how we improve the stake people have in this Province, how we improve
their role in life, how we make sure that we give them supports to move forward.
There were very positive things and I am very happy to be part of that
open discussion and we moved it forward.
Fisheries and Aquaculture, another great department
there; we had some real good debate around where we are and some of the
challenges that we have in the fishing industry, some of the challenges that we
have because we do not get to control things that we want to control.
The aquaculture industry, how we see how that is moving
forward. Even when every now and
then we hit a little glitch in the road, how things are very positive and we
have invested in the right way so that people can diversify how our economy
moves forward and how that industry itself can grow.
We have done that very positively as we went through.
We talked about even the impact that the CETA agreement
would have. There was some open
dialogue, I give credit – the minister was not holding anything back.
He explained where this would go.
He explained what the vision was for down the road.
He explained what some of the challenges may be from a federal-provincial
agreement. There was good open
discussion about how this could be seen as a positive thing.
I did not see a lot of negativity from the Opposition when they were
coming back, particularly after things were explained.
So these were all positive things that went there.
We look at Environment and Conservation, all the things
that we are doing here: the things that we are very aware of that have to be
done in our environment; how things are changed in our industries; how we are
making sure that people are aware of what we have to offer, the supports.
This is not just about: We give you money or you give us money in return
for payments. This is about: We
support each other, how we develop partnerships.
In these cases, particularly around Environment and Conservation, how we
do that. How everybody understands
their role, their responsibility and some of the privileges they have in dealing
with the ecology we have in this Province, the beautiful landscape that we have.
That was a very positive discussion there.
Tourism, Culture and Recreation: It is perhaps the most
uplifting department that you can get in because everything is in a positive
mode. There are always things moving
forward. Our industries are there as
part of this whole process.
The tourism industry is a booming industry, something
that we took as an infant and now made it into a very stellar adult and we are
moving that forward. We are leading
the country in everything, not only our ads but in particular how we draw people
and the type of entertainment that we have for people, the type of exposure they
have to our culture and how we have spread the culture from Nain, Labrador to
Carbonear to the West Coast to the Burin Peninsula to Burgeo.
All these things that we are trying to say, this is not just based on one
particular geographic area. It is
not based on one particular demographic when it comes to what political party or
what your representative is, the political stripe they have.
This is about: We have resources, we have something we can sell to
people, and we put it out there and put it out there very eloquently and put it
out there very professionally. We
are very proud of that.
We talked about our recreation, how we have improved
our recreation facilities in this Province.
They are second to none. In
the last ten years we have given our athletes, competitive athletes or
recreation or social athletes, the ability to be better engaged.
They have healthier lives.
Communities feel pride about what they have in facilities there, and being able
to engage their own local teams and their own local communities, very much so.
Natural Resources, Mr. Speaker, as you know, we have
moved things forward in the last number of years.
We are trying to diversify our economy through our mineral investments,
through some of the new things we are doing in the mining industry, what we are
doing in the natural gas industry, what we are doing in the oil industry, but
particularly what we are trying to do in clean energy and what we are doing with
Muskrat Falls.
We were criticized yesterday.
Somebody spoke up in one of the Opposition parties and said we are
spending $7 billion in Muskrat Falls.
Yes, we are. You are right,
we are. We are investing $7 billion
so that not only do we have clean energy, but we also have future revenue.
We also take care of the next generation, the existing generation, and
future generations. It puts us on a
global market.
What was neglected to say we have also spent, in that
same period of time that we are going to spend $7 billion, $25 billion in social
programs for the people of this Province, in investments in infrastructure,
making sure that people have proper health care, that people have proper
education, and that young people have an ability to broaden their horizons, to
know more about careers, to be able to expose themselves to what is going on in
the world, and in turn bring people to this Province for investment purposes,
but also bring them here because of the cultural benefits we offer to people.
There are all kinds of things going on there.
We have heard the minister talk about how we are moving
some of these positive things forward and how we are using our partnerships with
other provinces and with international companies to make sure the benefits to
the people of this Province are second to none and that they are long term.
We are diversifying who we are and what we do.
There was a great open discussion about what we invest.
A lot of the programs and services we do are partnership related.
I thought that was very innovative.
It is not just about: Here is some money, now go do your job, we will
look at it, and tell you whether or not we like it.
This is about: We have a stake in this.
The more partners you can bring to the table, the more successful we know
it is going to be and the more beneficial it is going to be to the people
involved because more stakeholders have an input into what is happening here.
That seemed to be a very positive approach.
I did not see any negativity.
That is the one thing I found here.
When the people were enlightened or it was explained to them, even if
they did not totally agree with the amount of money we put into it or the
approach we are using, they did understand the benefit behind the approach we
were going with. People understood
the best way to do things is with partnerships.
I would hope whatever Administration we are in would accept that process.
We have been very successful with that and there is no doubt we will
continue to do that.
We looked at Innovation, Business and Rural
Development, again, one of those stellar departments that give a leg up for
people. It invites people to come in
and say: Look, you have some creative ways of doing things.
We want to develop some partnerships.
You want to bring something here that normally is not a standard of what
we do, but it can benefit the people here, be it through a service, through an
investment, through creating employment, through a different product, or through
a different type of service we need.
We want to bring you in. Come on,
you are engaged. Let us come in and
talk. We will help you get to the
next stage.
If you come in with an idea and may not have the
expertise to develop the business plan, may not have the expertise to bring in
proper consultants, may not have the expertise to be able to put the time frames
in place we have that, we have that expertise to work with.
If it is a viable business, we will support you wherever we can.
We will try to open markets.
We will try to open the partnerships that need to be developed.
We have been very successful in being able to do that.
Mr. Speaker, I want to say that six line departments
are only a small example of what we do as an Administration and what the other
line departments do. We have been
very happy to have that process to go through what has been done.
I might note, too, outside of all of this that we
talked about, the monies that we spend – and fair enough, we have an $8 billion
budget; money goes out. We are
answerable for where the money goes.
We want to guide it in the right direction.
We outline programs and services, and it should be noted, programs and
services that we outline are driven by the front-line people; they are driven by
our civil servants. The civil
servants' information is coming from those users, coming from the clients,
coming from the customers. They are
the people who have said over the course of a year: We need a program that
addresses this issue, or we need supports in this area, or we would like to
partner on this particular endeavour.
This is where the things come from.
People think we sit as politicians in here – and I
would like to be able to say we all know a little bit about everything, but that
is not the way it works. We all know
a little bit about a number of things and probably we know a lot about some
things, but we need the people that we have around us.
Our civil servants are second to none.
They are very able to be able to develop programs and services that will
encourage us to move things forward.
What they have, Mr. Speaker, is the front-line
connection with the people in this Province, the innovators, the creators, those
people who are out in the field who may have limited education, limited
experience, but do know what is needed.
When they pass on that information, when they pass it on to the civil
servants who then analyse where it fits, when they put it together and they come
up with a structure and then come to a line senior executive, then come to
ministers, then come to Cabinet, then we get our programs that are reflected in
our budget lines, and reflected on the amount of money that we should be
investing in particular lines.
We have to have a good balance here, we have to have a
social conscience, we have to have an economic investment, but we also have to
be prudent on where our money goes.
We need to be able to make enough money back to be able to not only sustain
that, but improve it.
There is no doubt there are going to be issues, there
are going to be new programs, and there are going to be things that we develop
that we want to build on. We need to
be able to have that ability to grow things.
That is where we have gone; we have gone from budgets of $3.5 billion.
I sat in this House thirty-two years ago when John Collins was the
Minister of Finance and watched him put out his budget; $2.1 billion and that
considered an extreme amount of money, debt ridden and everything else.
What we have done now is diversified where our revenue
streams come from, made it work so that we have also addressed that we are no
longer behind in our infrastructure needs now and that we are catching up.
Do we still have a ways to go?
Sure, we do. Has each line
department started addressing some of those?
Sure, they have and we continue to do that, and we will continue to do
that, Mr. Speaker.
I want to note, too, that as we go through this process
the line departments that we had discussed here generate nearly $2 billion in
revenue through their partnerships and investment, particularly around natural
resources and those areas. Some of
the other areas where people are acquiring land, there are permit's fees.
There are support fees and these types of things.
So, not only do we spend money, and we are responsible
for that, but we also generate money and we are responsible for where that money
goes. We are also responsible for
how we make sure each department has the ability to generate.
Some departments generate money which gets put into programs, other
departments solely spend money because they are social oriented or they are
support oriented. That is how a good
economy works. It has good fiscal
management and it is how things move forward.
I also want to note a few things we had talked about
yesterday. Particularly, I am going
to pick the Department of Advanced Education and Skills.
As I mentioned at the onset, that is a department that is vast; very vast
for a number of reasons. One is the
people it serves, and the backgrounds they may have and the demographics and
this type of thing, but also the fact that it is perhaps our most socially
conscious one.
Health is a generic.
We understand that. Health is
everybody's concern. When we deal
with AES, there are a number of things there that we have to look at: housing
issues, Income Support, persons with disabilities, mobility issues, all kinds of
relevant things there. Even young
men and women who are in the trades needing that first leg, needing to get from
apprenticeship to journeyperson, being able to get that first job.
Being able to have confidence that they can now contribute back, because
they do not have to move out of this Province and they have a skillset here they
can use.
I want to note some of the things we were criticized
for yesterday by one of the Opposition members here.
It was around Newfoundland and Labrador Housing.
Mr. Speaker, I had the privilege a number of years ago of working with
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing. I
know at the time we had challenges because there were limited funds, but we took
that money and made sure it represented the particular needs of our clientele
group there – our particular clientele group.
I am just going to note a number of the things we now
have that we offer when it comes to affordable housing; investments in standard
housing, how we subsidize part of the housing.
Do we need to go further?
Sure we do. We talk about it in
caucus, our colleagues talk about it.
We talk about it with the cities.
We talk about it with the agencies and organizations.
We need to be able to improve on it, but here is where we have come, Mr.
Speaker.
This goes to prove how we are committed to the social
programs here, particularly around the housing things.
Some of the rental housing programs, $9 million a year just for the Rent
Supplement Program. That is a lot we
put out there for people so we can make it easier for people to be able to find
affordable housing.
Do we have challenges in the Northeast Avalon?
Yes. The economy has been so
robust that things have boomed, probably even beyond our expectations.
Now we have to find a happy medium.
How do we get back so people can still afford a decent apartment or house
in this area on a fixed income or on a low-income?
We need to do that.
Those people who have some special needs, we need to
find ways of being able to do that.
We have done that. We have found
ways where people could have older homes, yet make them energy efficient by
improving the aesthetics of that, by investing in some of our home modification
repair ones, particularly around those people who have mobility issues.
We have done that, $8 million a year.
It is a major investment there.
There is great uptake.
There is not one client who gets it who does not say it has changed their
life. I have seen a number of my
constituents who have done it, speak very highly of it, very proud of what they
have done. It has made their lives a
little bit more convenient and much more accessible.
Residential Energy Efficiency Program, REEP, is $4
million. Not only are we trying to
get green energy but we are also trying to lead by example in green energy, get
everybody else to be able to say if you can save money and help the environment,
it is a win-win for everybody.
People then would have that extra disposable income to put into whatever else
that drives them in their life, whatever makes them comfortable as they move
forward.
Investment in affordable housing, $68 million we have
invested in the last number of years, $28 million this year alone.
This is a year where we are going to do some extra call for
not-for-profits here to look at affordable housing.
Another part of programs that we developed was that we develop
partnerships with the industry out there.
The industry knows how to drive this.
We know what it is we need.
The industry knows how to put it there.
The clients have told us what it is that is going to make their lives a
little bit more convenient, what it is they need to be able to get that extra
supports to be able to take control of their lives.
We have been very happy to be able to do that.
The Provincial Homelessness Fund, Mr. Speaker, $1
million, something – because Newfoundland, I give credit.
Thank God of our family supports, that over the years people have had
that extra bit. There are couch
surfers no doubt, and there is no doubt people still have to rely and live on
the streets. We are trying to change
that with our partnerships with a number of agencies here; the homeless
association, Choices for Youth. A
number of these organizations have managed to partner with us and in turn we
have partnered with them, and in turn partnered with the private sector and the
federal government. We have managed
to make, at this point, over $20 million worth of investments between the
partnerships in the last four years in this Province, Mr. Speaker.
We have done a lot of really positive things.
That is just in one little entity, in one little part of one department.
These are major investments we have made to improve people's lives.
Is there room for improvement?
Yes, without a doubt. Do we
discuss it every day? Do departments
look at modifying? Do ministers talk
to their executive? Do the executive
talk to the front line staff? Does
the front line staff talk to the partners?
Sure they do. The one
intention, Mr. Speaker, is to improve the lives of the people of this Province.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.
MR.
LANE:
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a pleasure to have an opportunity to speak in
this House once again today on the Budget and the concurrence motion.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to take a little different
approach today. The last couple of
times I spoke about the school situation in Mount Pearl, which is a very
important issue. Hopefully, I get
some time towards the end of my twenty minutes; I am certainly going to go back
there.
Mr. Speaker, I want to talk a little about the housing
situation and the widening gap between those who have and those who have not.
I was prompted to do so, Mr. Speaker, by a resident of my district, a
constituent. I had a long chat with
her yesterday about her particular situation, and her situation as it relates to
housing, her situation as it relates to her ability to pay the rent, her ability
to keep the heat, keep the lights on, pay her phone bill, and have enough food
in her cupboards to sustain herself.
This is a person who worked for many years, but
unfortunately never worked in a situation where she had a government pension.
Although it was an agency doing work for the government, but it did not
qualify her for any benefits – which is what we see quite often when it comes to
people who are working in home care, people looking after the elderly, disabled,
and so on. Quite often government
utilizes agencies and so on. While
the funding is ultimately coming from the public purse, the people who are
taking care of our most vulnerable, these people are simply not getting
compensated very well in many cases, and they are not receiving benefits.
This particular person, and in her particular
situation, ended up taking ill, came down with a serious illness.
She had so many weeks of I guess it was sick leave unemployment, whatever
the case might be. Once that ran
out, she found herself in a very difficult situation trying to live with very
little income coming in through the door, and actually had to revert to the
Provincial Income Support system.
Of course, when we look at the amount of money people
are receiving in Income Support, and then you factor that in with the price of
housing, the price for an apartment and so on, this particular lady has been
living in this residence for a number of years and she has steadily seen her
rent increase, because with the housing market, as we have heard people talk
about here in the past – with that housing market, with the boom, we will call
it for lack of a better term. The
boom depends on who you talk to.
Some people are experiencing the boom.
Some people in this part of the Province are experiencing it.
Certainly, people who are living in the Long Harbour area and so on, the
Clarenville area who are working at Bull Arm, Long Harbour, and all those
places, those people are benefitting.
AN
HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible) in Glovertown.
MR.
LANE:
I
heard somebody say Glovertown, and good for them.
If that is happening in Glovertown, I am glad to hear it.
The bottom line is sometimes being in that area where
the boom is felt is actually a negative thing for somebody who is on a low
income, somebody who is on a fixed income, and so on.
This is the situation this particular lady finds herself in, where rent
has gone through the roof because of the high rental rates as a result of this
boom in St. John's, Mount Pearl, and we will say the Northeast Avalon area, and
finding it extremely difficult, almost impossible, to live.
Mr. Speaker, we hear of these stories all the time, and
this is not the first person I have been contacted by in my district who is
experiencing this problem. I have
had a number of others. Now,
granted, I am fortunate, I suppose, in the sense that perhaps my district, if
you were to look at it statistically and in terms of the number of concerns
brought to me in my district as compared to perhaps the Member for St. John's
South, the Member for St. John's Centre, and the Member for St. John's North, I
would suggest the volume is much higher.
In those particular districts, there are more people who are living in
the inner-city areas, a lot of people on fixed incomes, a lot of people in
social housing, and so on, and they are all experiencing these challenges.
I do get some nonetheless.
This particular lady called me and said: Paul, I want
you to speak out on my behalf as my MHA, as someone in your district who is
experiencing this. So I said to that
lady, that particular constituent: Absolutely I will.
I said I have been preoccupied, no doubt, lately with the school
situation in Mount Pearl, the disastrous situation in terms of the schools in
Mount Pearl, but I am going to speak out on this issue for you and I will
continue to be mindful of it and speak out about it more and more, which I
intend to do.
Mr. Speaker, quite often we hear the government members
talking about all the money they are spending on this, that, and everything
else. They will talk the millions of
dollars in social housing and millions of dollars in education or whatever.
If the number is not high enough in any given year, then they will say,
well, over the last five years we have put whatever, so then it makes a big
number, an inflated number, over the last ten years or whatever.
Again, it inflates the numbers to give this impression of all of the
money that is going in.
I am not disputing, and nobody over on this side of the
House of Assembly, certainly my colleague here from St. John's South, would ever
dispute the fact that government is investing in social housing and we would
never dispute the fact that there have been some good programs brought forth by
the government, programs we all support.
I am sure members over there support it, members over here support it,
the Official Opposition, and I am sure members of the Third Party support it as
well.
We talk about programs like the residential energy
repair program, a program that allows individuals on the lower income levels to
be able to, in many cases, retrofit their homes with perhaps windows, properly
sealed windows, doors, and so on. In
many cases, that is what comes from it to keep the heat in and lower their heat
bills. Everybody over here on this
side of the House would applaud that.
We agree with it.
We talk about the residential Home Repair Program,
again, another good program. Nobody
on this side of the House would ever dispute that it is a good program.
There is no doubt it targets people, again, on the lower income scale and
it allows them to get some much-needed repairs to their home.
We would certainly applaud that.
We have another program whereby people with mobility
challenges, disabilities and so on – I forget the exact name of the program, but
again, that is another one administered through Newfoundland and Labrador
Housing where people can perhaps get a ramp put in; perhaps they can get one of
those bathtubs that you can just open a door and walk into, grab bars, and all
that kind of stuff to retrofit their home for people who have medical issues,
mobility issues, and so on – disabilities.
Nobody over on this side of the House would dispute that.
That is a good program.
That being said, though, when we talk about pure
numbers, we talk about budgetary numbers and the amount we have put in over the
last year, the last five years, ten years, or whatever.
That all sounds wonderful, it does, and if we are giving increases that
is a positive thing as well, but talking about numbers and talking about
increases in budgets does nothing for the person who is left behind because
there is not enough money to go around.
It does nothing.
It is great for the person who qualifies for the
residential energy repair program this year.
It is great for the person who qualifies for the Home Repair Program.
It is great for the person who receives a unit from Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing. It is great for
the person who receives a rent supplement from Newfoundland and Labrador
Housing, but the problem we have is not everybody who needs it, and legitimately
needs it, gets it – not everybody who legitimately needs it gets it.
What happens to those people?
Many of those people are people who have disabilities.
Many of those people are senior citizens.
I think when you look at our status as a have Province, and I understand
that is just a calculation they use in Ottawa to determine whether we receive
transfer payments and so on, but nonetheless we are a have Province.
We are supposed to be paying our own way and looking after our people.
When we hear about senior citizens who in the
wintertime have to go to the Avalon Mall or they have to go to the Village Mall
to stay warm because they cannot afford to keep the heat on in their home, then
I believe collectively we are failing people when that is happening.
When we have people going to the food banks on a regular basis, and we
are seeing an increase is my understanding in use at the food banks, when that
is happening in our current situation with the oil royalties and everything
else, then we are failing the people.
Now, Mr. Speaker, I will be the first to admit, and I
said it when I was on the other side of the House of Assembly and I will
maintain it, all the decisions we make in this House of Assembly need to focus
on the taxpayer, the ordinary person who gets up every day, gets themselves to
work, they work for a living, and they work hard.
In many cases, people in my district, I am sure most
districts – certainly I can speak to mine – many of the homes there are two
people working. The husband and the
wife, or the partner, are both working and paying taxes.
All they do is they work, they get home, they look after the kids, they
go to bed, they get up the next day and they work, and so on.
They try to eke out a living and pay their bills, have a home, have a
vehicle, keep their kids fed, in school, maybe in some kind of a sport, and
maybe even a little vacation every now and then.
There is nothing wrong with that.
While they are doing all this, they are paying taxes,
and it is their money that we are spending in this House of Assembly.
We can never lose focus on that, and that is why sometimes when I hear
members talking about oh, you know, giving themselves a pat on the back because
we invested $10 million here, and $20 million here, and $100 million there –
MR.
FORSEY:
It
is more than that.
MR.
LANE:
The
member across the way is saying “more than that”, and good for you – but it is
the people's money that you are spending.
Let us not kid ourselves, we are not writing personal cheques.
These are not personal cheques, this is the people's money, these are
taxes that hard-working Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are paying, and we are
just simply spending that money, and we are choosing how that money gets spent.
So then it comes down to priorities.
Mr. Speaker, when we are spending the people's money –
MR.
FORSEY:
(Inaudible) kilometres to drive to spend any of the money.
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.
MR.
LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I would say to the Member for –
MR.
FORSEY:
Exploits.
MR.
LANE:
–
Exploits that he will certainly have his opportunity to speak, and I would
challenge him to get up on his feet and speak, as I am doing, without speaking
notes written for him, actually use his own mind, his mouth, and speak his own
words. I challenge him to do it.
He should try it sometime; he might like it.
Cut the puppet strings and give it a try.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Anyway, Mr. Speaker, as I was saying –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR.
LANE:
As
I was saying, Mr. Speaker, or trying to say before I was so rudely interrupted
once again, as normal practice, people have to pay for all this.
When people are paying for this stuff out of their tax dollars, I think
people, when they are doing it they want us to prioritize for them how we spend
that money.
Mr. Speaker, I really do not believe the people, in
terms of prioritizing that, would have any issue whatsoever around us actually
putting additional money and putting it into things like social housing.
I do not think they would have any issue with us putting that into more
residential energy repair programs.
I do not think they would have an issue putting it into dental care.
I do not think they would have an issue into even raising the threshold
to some degree.
We have a lot of people, Mr. Speaker, who are on fixed
incomes. Those particular people,
because they may be $100 or a couple of hundred dollars over a very low
threshold, they do not qualify for any programs.
I have a number of people in my district who have come to me with that
issue as well, where they make just enough that they are just barely over that
threshold. Because they are over
that threshold, guess what? They do
not qualify for anything.
The only thing they qualify for is for paying taxes,
but they do not quality for residential energy home repair.
They do not qualify for the provincial home repair.
They do not get any of the Home Heating Rebates or any of these other
programs. They do not qualify for
any of it, Mr. Speaker – none of it.
I think, Mr. Speaker, that is an issue for those
people. I think as a collective
group here we should be working on improving their station in life.
I would challenge members on the other side to stand up and say what I am
saying here in this House of Assembly is a bad thing and that what I am saying
here is wrong. They know it is not
wrong because I am sure they have people in their districts, like I have people
in my district, who have the same challenges on trying to get by day by day on
the government programs which are currently available to them.
I think we should be working towards improving their lot in life as well
so that those people do not fall between the cracks.
As we see our economy growing, as we see more
development, as we see bigger booms occurring, then what we are seeing is that
gap between those who have and those who have not, we are seeing an increase.
That is what we are seeing, Mr. Speaker.
We have to be working together to try to narrow that gap for those
people. I think that is a laudable
goal for all of us. It is a laudable
goal for all of us to do that.
It is interesting that, again, you hear members over
there making light of it, laughing at it; they think it is a joke.
Maybe they think it is funny that we would want to tell help people on
low income, to help senior citizens, to help people with disabilities.
I do not think it is a joke, my colleagues do not, and we will fight for
those people, despite those members across the way.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bonavista North.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
CROSS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is indeed a great opportunity to stand up and try to
bring some sense to the debate this afternoon.
We are now speaking in Concurrence debate.
I guess for the audience who is watching now, who just tuned in, who did
not see the changeover when we changed to this debate about forty minutes ago,
right now we are talking about the meetings that were held by various committees
that met.
They are broken into three different categories: the
resource sector, social sector and government services sector.
Each of these groups met to question officials from the various
departments in government and the ministers on expenditures in budget line items
in this year's Budget.
As we devoted that time to drill down into how the
department was spending their money, most of this time was allocated to members
of the Opposition so they could gather a greater understanding, I guess, of how
the money was being spent and questioned certain amounts that went here and
there.
Like the Member for Kilbride last night, he got up and
spoke about something that is not normally talked about; he brought a different
story to the House of Assembly. I am
sort of motivated today that I am going to wander slightly from this.
I am going to stick within my Resource Committee Estimates meetings, but
rather than talking about the line items and some of these things and the
expenditures and just throw out all statistics and dollars that are spent, what
I am going to talk about are the six different portfolios that fall within the
resource sector and talk about the services that are provided to this Province
through these departments and put a different flesh on the bones of what we are
doing.
I am going to share what the mandates are for each of
these departments and talk about how in some of these departments we are
constantly just spending money to develop further investments in the Province;
but, in other cases, as was already mentioned by the Member for Conception Bay
East – Bell Island, the Chair of this Committee, some departments are actually
revenue-generating departments and they actually bring money as well into the
coffers of our Province.
On top of just coming to sittings here in the House of
Assembly on the Budget debate, this Resource Committee met six times, for three
hours each, and we allowed members on the Committee to question.
There was a total of approximately eighteen hours of questioning on the
expenditures and the programs. In
lots of cases, the members came in and they talked about policy and they tried
to get into inside the heads of the ministers in different ways.
That was a sharing of the concept, I guess, of why and how the money is
being spent, not just exactly what it is being spent for.
The resource sector, Mr. Speaker, includes as the Chair
said, Advanced Education and Skills; Environment and Conservation; Department of
Fisheries and Aquaculture; Innovation, Business and Rural Development; Natural
Resources; and Tourism, Culture and Recreation.
These are the six resource sector portfolios.
These are the departments of government that are covered in this resource
sector.
The total budget for the resource sector is
approximately $1.8 billion in 2014.
That is one billion, 800 million dollars, as well as some other odd cents, but
$1.8 billion. That is 22 per cent of
the provincial Budget, Mr. Speaker.
What I want to do in the next few minutes I am going to
take – and these are my own notes drawn from some of the Estimates booklets and
some of the other things on the different Web sites of government.
I want to share, I want to educate, and I want maybe to bring some of the
services of each of these six departments to the populous through our media
today.
I am sure most of the members in this House of Assembly
all understand every single service of every single department and we do not
need this for all of us in here.
Maybe there are some of us, Mr. Speaker, who might not understand all of these
services and then we can offer a better service to our constituents by taking in
this sort of lesson today.
Advanced Education and Skills is where I would like to
start, Mr. Speaker. In Advanced
Education and Skills the total budget for both current and capital is $900
million. That is 0.9 of $1 billion.
That is about half of the resource sector spending is going in Advanced
Education and Skills. What most
people do not realize is that this is a very, very vast department of
government. This is a very, very
huge portfolio. It has a mandate to
ensure that the Province has highly-educated post-secondary graduates and
skilled workers. That is one of its
main mandates.
That is a mouthful in itself, Mr. Speaker, to really
try to size it all up. This
portfolio ensures that the Province has highly-educated post-secondary graduates
who will become the skilled workers for all of these positions.
We have been talking for the last two or three years about the 70,000
jobs that are going to be created in the skilled sector.
Of all these jobs, if we are going to be poised to take advantage of all
this great development that this Province has to offer, then we have to have
employees with these skills.
No one can tell me, Mr. Speaker – no one – on either
side of this House that we do not have the people resources in this Province to
be able to man most of these jobs.
What we are not able to handle obviously we have to import.
For the most part, Newfoundlanders and Labradorians should be able and
are able and are capable of handling these skills, these jobs.
We have proven it in developments and other parts of
the world some of the greatest workers out there are the Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians who go out there.
People are thrilled to have Newfoundlanders and Labradorians on their teams.
Mr. Speaker, what we really need is to bring back these Newfoundlanders
and Labradorians to help develop our own Province and to show we can be the
leaders in our own Province.
The host of services, as I was getting ready to talk
about, in Advanced Education and Skills – and once I pay attention to the clock,
I might run out before I get to the end of Advanced Education and Skills and not
talk about all six, but I will have another opportunity to stand up, Mr.
Speaker. The host of services – and
I tried to create a list, and I am going to expound on a couple of these, but
for the expediency of time I want to refer to my list I have created.
The service there that we help employers in accessing
and keeping the skilled employees, and I have just talked about that a little
bit, but we are also through Advanced Education and Skills going to support
delivery of post-secondary education through our public colleges, through
Memorial University and College of the North Atlantic, but also through the
private colleges. Mr. Speaker, we
can see the change of how we are now developing, redeveloping, and redefining
courses. Certain courses are in the
syllabi of these educational institutions and some are being taken out.
We are looking at the enrollments in some of these, Mr.
Speaker, and seeing when the enrollments are very low and we are spending a lot
of money to furnish a course that no one seems to want, then we need to pull
that out and be able to be flexible enough to retrain some of our instructors or
the instructors be flexible enough to move into other course areas.
Where they are not, then they may have the option of going into the
private colleges and teaching there, where some of these courses might
rightfully fall to be delivered.
Another mandate for this department, Mr. Speaker, is
the administration of student aid.
We have talked about that. The bill
that was on the floor here today was talking about the changeover from student
loans to up-front grants. We are
putting legislation in place to make that happen.
Some of the expenditure in this Budget and next year's Budget is going to
help do just that, help put in place something that will be the envy of every
other province in this country whereby we are helping our students, helping with
the training of our students, and motivating our students to want to further
their post-secondary education by allowing them to have the share that comes
from this Province be a grant rather than a loan.
That is something that makes us the envy of the country.
We are also providing support through this department,
Mr. Speaker, for apprentices, trade certifications, and career development.
I can remember attending sessions last year on the Journeyperson
Mentorship Program, a very, very fine program that is governed by this
department that allows for companies to hire a journeyperson, such that they can
train their apprentices and have someone on staff that their main purpose is to
train the apprentices. It really
gives a big advantage to contracting companies, to corporations who wish to take
advantage of that program.
Mr. Speaker, this department is not just involved in
the advanced education or the skills; it is also involved in Income Support.
In the Budget this year there was an increase – and I agree with some of
the speakers on the opposite side of this House, that when you do have major
improvements in your employability for a lot of the sectors in your communities,
there develops a gap. Those who are
not prepared for these positions, those who do not fit into the economic boom,
there will be a gap. We have to
support these, the lesser and more vulnerable, and the lesser privileged in our
society. Whether they are there by
no fault of their own, or they are there because of some form of physical or
mental condition.
Again, we have a very robust Income Support system.
This year we gave a 5 per cent increase, which is more than we gave to
our employees. We will also consider
in the future years trying to maintain and lessen the gap between these
individuals and those who are active in our communities.
This department is also responsible for assisting
communities and regions during disasters and catastrophes.
Mr. Speaker, we remember the fire in St. John's not so long ago, and how
members from this department came to the aid of the residents in a seniors'
complex when there was a fire. We
also remember how this department was activated instantly and visited the
western portion of Labrador, in Wabush, when the mine was closing down and was
going to shut down for a while.
This department is also leading in our Poverty
Reduction Strategy. In the last six
or seven years we have maintained an investment of almost $200 million a year,
around $170 million a year, Mr. Speaker.
We have gone over $1 billion in six or seven years in our Poverty
Reduction Strategy, which is again the envy of the country.
This department is also in charge of the Adult Literacy
Program, Mr. Speaker. That might be
late on the list, but it is a very important aspect of this.
I spoke in a member's statement just recently about an individual who
really became a success later in life.
His education started very late in life, and he became a columnist for
the local newspaper. This guy is
Bobby Tulk – Bobby, we call him, in New-Wes-Valley.
He had the unfortunate problem, he had a hearing problem.
As he grew, he did not really fit into the education program but he did
have an opportunity later in life.
There are many other Robert Tulks, I guess, who have that ability, and this
department is the one that looks out to that.
It also includes the portion of this government that
looks out for and pays attention to persons with disabilities.
It also takes care of immigrants and multiculturalism.
So this Advanced Education and Skills department, Mr. Speaker, is
humongous, and it is something we spent a lot of time talking about in our
Estimates committees.
The second-most costly department of the Resource
Committee was Natural Resources. Of
course, the head of the Committee was the Resource Committee.
I will try to run through the other departments rather quickly.
Mr. Speaker, we have expenditure in Natural Resources
of $650 million. A fair bit of that
is a capital investment for future development in our Province.
The diversification of our economy, the biggest single area that is going
to diversify our income in the next few years is our equity investment in
Muskrat Falls.
The four main areas of Natural Resources would be
Forest Management, Agrifoods Development, Mineral Resource Management, and
Energy Resource and Industrial Benefits Management.
Now, I am saying these rather quickly, but this has become the most
popular department of our government.
People know most of this one inside-out, Mr. Speaker.
Tourism, Culture and Recreation is another department
that is under new management with our new minister taking over just recently.
The total expenditures in Tourism, Culture and Recreation is around $66
million, Mr. Speaker. The mandate
there is to support economic growth and employment in tourism, arts, heritage,
recreation, sport, and active living.
The establishment and operation of historic sites is a
part of the Tourism, Culture and Recreation mandate.
Visitor information centres, recreational facilities around our Province,
archeological sites, we regulate them.
It includes artifacts and the documents in our museums and places, Mr.
Speaker, and also the arts and heritage sector of our development.
Our expenditure in Tourism, Culture and Recreation is
about $66 million, but, Mr. Speaker, that department is a $1 billion a year
industry for Newfoundland and Labrador.
It is very, very vital that we regulate the mandate to cover all of these
areas so that all the operations in our Province will be successful and
competitive. Our supports through
marketing and our tourism strategies have been the envy of the country.
We know that shall continue.
We are still supporting that department through this year's Budget.
Environment and Conservation, Mr. Speaker, has $40
million expenditures in the Budget, but no small task because it is the head of
the protection and enhancement of our environment.
About biodiversity, it covers the protection of our endangered species.
It covers wildlife. It covers
inland fish and waterways, and water change climate.
It also takes care of all the efforts of our Province in pollution in
air, water, and soil. Develop our
water resource management, environmental impact assessments, industrial
emissions and discharges, pesticides, hazardous materials, storage, use,
transportation and disposal. All of
these areas, Mr. Speaker, are very, very important.
Fisheries and Aquaculture, Mr. Speaker, a $20 million
cost for capital and current in our Budget, but so important to our society to
who we are, what we are, how long we have been here, and how long we wish to
remain here. It is pretty well a $1
billion industry yearly from the resources that we draw in by our harvesters and
our processors. This is in charge of
culturing, harvesting, processing, and the marketing.
A very big arm of this department now, Mr. Speaker, with a lot of support
is the aquaculture industry. We are
very, very strong in that and our expenditures are very successful.
I am going to run out of time before I get into
Innovation, Business and Rural Development, but I am going to have more time,
Mr. Speaker, on the main Budget debate, so I am hoping to probably carry on the
lecture for ‘Mr. Public,' but also for all of us here who really want to
understand it is not just dollars and cents; it is sense.
Most of these concepts are very important to this whole Province in its
totality.
I thank you very much for your indulgence.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR.
SPEAKER:
The
hon. the Member for Bay of Islands on a point of order.
MR.
JOYCE:
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
I asked questions today about Hughes Brook Hill and
some contracts. The minister
mentioned to me that the contracts would be coming.
When I made up the questions and added the questions, to the best of my
knowledge, the contracts were not let, but I say to the minister, I did check
the Web site as you said. The
contract was sent out to be tendered.
I just apologize to the minister.
It was done. When I did up
the questions, I was not aware of it.
I just went back; it just showed up on the Web site.
To the minister, for the questions today, when you said they would be
coming soon, they are put out now to be awarded.
MR.
SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
Thank you.
The hon. the Member for Burgeo – La Poile.
MR.
A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I am happy to stand up here.
Again, it may not have been a point of order, but I think the point the
member is trying to make got across and I am sure the Minister of Transportation
heard.
I am very happy to stand here again and speak to this
Budget, whether it is Concurrence, whether it is sub-amendment, whether it is
non-confidence, or whether it is the main motion.
I am happy any chance I get to stand in this House and talk about this
Budget that this government has brought, and right now it is during the
Concurrence section.
When you are in the Opposition, one of the things you
get to do is basically have a role as a critic of a department.
I have had many different roles during my short tenure here, but right
now, obviously, I am the critic for CYFS, Child, Youth and Family Services, and
the critic for Health. Both are
extremely important departments.
Both are worth talking about.
CYFS is a department that you really hope you do not
have to talk about. You do not want
to hear much about it because that means that nothing is happening and that is a
good thing. We do not like to hear
about some of the things that come out because we have seen it here in this
House. We have asked a number of
questions on situations.
One thing I do want to say is I was privy to some
information today and it did arise in Question Period.
That is about the recent decision when it comes to Blue sky in
Stephenville. I understand there has
been some trouble when it comes to the zoning.
I have been contacted by people who are involved or who will be employed
there. They are very concerned about
it. Some have left jobs to take this
position; some have just started here.
They are quite worried. I am
sure the minister is on top of this and his department will make sure these
workers are taken care of and primarily, most importantly, that the people
involved, the children and the workers, everybody who is involved, is taken care
of.
Now, I do want to go on to a number of issues I have to
bring up. That is one of the things.
When you are doing Question Period, we have twenty-three minutes to ask
questions. It is hard to get all the
important issues affecting this Province out in twenty-three minutes.
We could use hours and hours to ask questions.
One of the things I am going to put out now is a chance to talk about
some of the health issues I have talked to people about, I have learned about,
and I did have an opportunity to mention during the Estimates section, which is
a great opportunity.
Many people do not understand the different, small
phases to the Budget. Certainly, I
did not before I came here. I was
not aware of how it happened, but once you get in you realize how important
these sessions are. It is an
opportunity, if people are listening out there, for the critics to sit on one
side and spend three hours going through the budgetary allocation for that
department, the Estimates, and what was actually estimated and spent last year
for a particular department. You
have the minister present and you have all the different staff, deputy
ministers, assistant deputy ministers, and et cetera, available.
It was great to sit there the other day and talk about
the Health Department and some of the issues.
As I have said before, there are a lot of questions I have on health that
I do not get an opportunity to ask in Question Period, not that they are not
important, but it is just there are so many issues.
We have so many of us who want to ask questions, so many departments, and
some of these can be very limited to the number of people affected.
In some cases they affect a lot of people.
The main reason I ask is because sometimes I wonder about the decision
making involved and why these are happening.
I wonder why they are done.
One decision I asked about, and unfortunately in the
Estimates process I never got any information or answers as to why this was
done, and I want to talk about pharmaceuticals and about the NLPDP.
There is a specific drug called Olmetec, and that is a drug that is used
to treat blood pressure used by a number of people in this Province.
It is a drug for which there is no other strain that has as much
efficacy. It is the superior strain.
A number of people are on it, and through the help of their doctor and
the use of this medication they are controlling their condition.
What happened was the department actually came out, put
out a bulletin, and said: We are cutting this.
They said you must try, and they listed out five different strains they
must try before you can use Olmetec.
I do not have the names here because they are very detailed names and I could
sit here. There are five types.
It is on the bulletin and I listed them out in Estimates.
I can understand on an ongoing basis starting now if
you have people coming in presenting with this condition, try this.
My question was, for the people who are currently on it, why would we
take them off that when their health situation is stabilized and good to try
other drugs only to come back to this one?
The reason is the department does this because of cost savings.
That is right; the bean counters in the department are more worried about
saving a dollar sometimes than they are about the health of the people they
represent. I do not mind saying that
because I actually asked it. Why are
you doing this? Their information
suggests –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh,
oh!
MR.
SPEAKER (Verge):
Order, please!
MR.
A. PARSONS:
I
am trying my best to get this information out because it is a decision that the
department made and that they are making to save dollars, and it is affecting
people's lives. I asked: What are
the savings you are realizing by changing this specific drug?
Well, we do not have those numbers; we do not have this.
Then the case becomes: Why would you take somebody off a superior drug
and put them on a less useful drug?
What is the logic behind that? Well,
our research suggests that it is actually better.
I am willing to bet, because I have my information
which I am going to provide to the department to show that when it is all said
and done, when it is all broken down – and I hope somebody up there is listening
– they are making a decision not based on research.
They are not making a decision that is based on what is the best thing to
do for patient care. They are making
a decision based on saving a dollar at the expense of someone's health.
That is simply how it is. I
do not know whether they like it or not, but that is how it is going here.
We are already playing with people's lives when it
comes to that, trying to save money.
The other thing they do not realize sometimes is that it costs people more money
on the back end because you take somebody off this drug which has stabilized
their condition and they try them on a different drug.
What happens is this person has a bad reaction.
This person's health deteriorates and worsens, and what happens?
They end up in the hospital.
The rough cost to go in the hospital is about $1,500 a
day. That is just to sit there in
the bed. You have not been looked at
yet and you have not been treated – $1,500 a day.
The question becomes, then, if we want to talk about fiscal management,
what did you save by fooling around with the drugs and what is it costing you
because you did it? This is what I
keep coming back to, fiscal mismanagement, because in the particular department
one hand does not know what the other is doing.
They are not saving the money; they are spending more money, and they are
affecting people's lives. So, I had
to put that out there.
Now, I could not get the answers I wanted that day.
I asked some very specific questions; the answers were not available.
I have since written – and I will give the minister all the credit in the
world. He said: Any question we
cannot answer, we will undertake to provide you with that information.
I appreciate that. So I have
my letter sent off, and I hope I get it back in a timely fashion, because they
should have those numbers there.
This should not be a case of: Well, we need to figure it out and calculate it.
This should be calculated. If
you are taking somebody off a drug, what did the drug cost?
What are you saving? There it
is. There should not be anything
more complicated than that involved.
Again, these are the decisions that are happening when it comes to health.
I could also talk about something I brought up here in
the House the other day when we recognized the value of work done by nurses.
One of the things – and I talked to a number of nurses over the weekend.
I said: I am hearing something here; can you tell me whether it is true
or not? When you go into hospital
and you are there on the ward you are provided with a meal.
You are provided with your breakfast, provided with your lunch, provided
with your supper. Your supper is
usually served around 5:30 p.m.
Before, they would have a night snack: a hot drink,
maybe a tea or coffee, maybe a glass of juice, maybe some cookies or a piece of
toast – because again, you are fed at 5:30 p.m.; you do not get to eat again
until 8:30 a.m.– but that has been cut.
What they get now is maybe two crackers and a glass of water – two
crackers and a glass of water. I
know that to be true, because I believe the nurses to be telling me the truth, I
believe the patients to be telling me the truth, and I know – and again, it is
not their decision. It is not any of
the staff at these hospitals; it is the higher-ups making decisions.
Again, I really have to wonder when you talk about how
great things are, are things really that great when you are taking food away
from somebody in the hospital and giving them a cracker and a glass of water?
So do not tell me how good things are when you are making decisions like
this that are beyond ridiculous.
Again, I will sit here next year and ask what are the savings you saved by
giving these people who are sick crackers and a glass of water, and not letting
them have a cup of tea or a piece of toast.
I am just putting that out there, I know it to be true,
I have not got a satisfactory answer to it; but again, we are going to save
dollars – this is how we are going to save them; we are going to save them by
denying people a cup of tea.
Now, I am going to move on to something else in health
care. Again, this one amazes me,
this one was in the news, and this comes to – we talk about mental health in
this Province. The good news is that
through the work of advocates in this Province and on a national scale, you look
at someone like Clara Hughes, the work that she has done when it comes to
stigma. I will give the Province
credit. I was at the unveiling.
The minister was there; he was very new on the job.
The minister got up and talked about the new advertising about reducing
stigma. I applaud it; I applaud it
because it is the right thing to do.
The first thing we have to do is understand, and the best way to understand is
to educate people and the best way to do that is sometimes getting the ads out
there so that people can see.
I have seen them.
I have been watching hockey, like a lot of other people.
You see the ad on; we are reaching people and we are educating them, and
that is great. Not like some of the
ads I have seen on in the past where they put the ad on and you check the
Website and it was the link to nowhere, it did not work, again which shows you
how big a waste it is. These look
good and I hope they get the effect that they need; but again, at the end of the
day, we have to treat mental health like we treat every other part of health
care, something like a broken leg, something like diabetes, we have to treat it
with the importance that it deserves.
We are getting the word out, but the problem I have is
when we find out that the mobile crisis unit here in St. John's, if you call in
on Wednesday, not a problem, they are there; call in on Friday, they are there;
Saturday and Sunday, they are there; but God forbid if you call in on Monday or
Tuesday because they are not there.
Because mental health is only five days a week.
Mental health is not seven days a week.
So the first question I asked in Estimates was: Is this
a budgetary decision? They said: No,
it is not a budgetary decision. It
is not a case of: Look, we can only afford to do five days a week.
We cannot do the seven; we just do not have the funding.
Not that I would have agreed with that or accepted that, but at least I
would have seen the logic in why they made that decision.
That was not the reason; it was not a case of money.
If it is not a case of money, why would you treat somebody with this
situation, a mental illness, treat somebody's mental health differently on
Monday than you treat it on Wednesday?
Or even more importantly, I hope we do not start using this same approach
to health care when it comes to other ailments.
Oh God, I have chest pains.
Well, sorry, Sir, you called in on Friday, we are not available on Friday.
You have to have your chest pains on Saturday.
That is how we are going to treat health care.
Again, it shows the inherent fallacy of this department
when it comes to treating something like this.
The reason is when you break it down to its most basic, they do not think
mental health is as important as physical health.
Because if you can get your broken leg treated seven days a week but
mental health, we only have a mobile crisis unit available – the minister talked
about the help line. That is great
that is there, but my question is not the help line; that is not what I was
asking about. My question was on a
mobile unit.
I am hearing more disturbing things about how it is
going out on the West Coast, too, and we will get to those because, again, if we
are not going to accept the fact or if we are not going to treat mental health
as serious as we treat everything else, then the system is bound for failure
from the beginning.
I know there was lots of staff there, and I never heard
one answer on why this was being done or why it should be done – not one.
Again, I am asking the questions but I am not getting the answers.
We can continue on.
There are so many things in health, when we talk about the NLPDP and the
prescription drugs. We can talk
about the fact that diabetes in this Province is going up.
We are the worst in the country.
One good thing that I have heard for some time now, probably since Easter
– and again, I do not know how this came about, but the good news is that
through the work of many people, including the advocates on the West Coast, the
West Coast regional team – I applauded them.
I spoke at their rally that they had in Corner Brook, for which there was
over 400 people. I said I applaud
the fact that you not the Corner Brook team, you are the West Coast team because
they are treating people in Port aux Basques.
They are treating people in Burgeo.
They are treating people in St. Anthony.
They are treating people on the West Coast, and now they are advocating
for the hospital. The hospital that
was announced in 2007 and has been re-announced and re-announced and
re-announced, ad nauseam, with absolutely no – we have not seen anything yet.
The good news is that after the work of people like the
Member for Bay of Islands, who everybody knows how many times since we came here
in 2011, actually the spring of 2012, how many times has he stood up and asked a
question about the Corner Brook hospital?
How many times has he stood up?
He did and it is funny, he got turned down so many times, denied.
You are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong; but, for some
reason, there was a leap of faith by government some time here in the early part
of 2014. We were suddenly not wrong.
We were right. Not only are
you going to get one radiation unit, you might get two.
So, the question I have is: What happened in the little
span of time to make them come around?
Again, it was not just the Member for Humber East, the current Premier,
it was not just the incoming Premier, the Member for Humber West, all saying all
of a sudden, it is good; it is right; you are on the right track.
So again, all I can do there is two things.
I can commend government for listening to us and I will accept your
apology, or the Member for Bay of Islands will accept your apology whenever you
want to tell him he was right all along, because he was.
The Member for Bay of Islands stood up today and apologized when he was
wrong. He stood up and he said: I
apologize. He is waiting for that
apology back when it comes to the hospital in Corner Brook and how he was right.
I want to see that.
There are still a lot of questions here.
The bigger thing is two-fold.
Number one, the hospital is still not started.
So it is not like we have to give up now.
Just because this fight was won does not mean that there are not more
battles to be fought.
The other thing that is scary, though, is that we have
heard, and I confirmed this in Question Period, we asked questions on ultrasound
services. The fear now out on the
West Coast is that you are going to win one battle at the expense of something
else; you will get that, but you are going to lose this.
You are getting something on one end, you are going to lose it on the
other end, and that is not the way this needs to be approached.
We will do what we have done here.
The Leader of the Opposition, the Member for Bay of Islands, the
advocates, and the community will do the work, will do the research, and find
out if it should be there. If it
should be there, if it is the right move to make, both for the health outcomes
of the people of this Province, especially on the West Coast, if it is the right
fiscal decision, then we will put the information out there and hopefully it
gets done.
We will continue that battle, there is absolutely no
doubt. More questions will be asked.
We are hearing lots of stuff.
To take a government phrase, stay tuned because we have more questions.
We are not going anywhere on that.
I want to continue.
There are so many other topics and I would like an opportunity to talk
about some district issues. I see
now I do have a little bit of time left, but given the hour of the day, at this
time, Mr. Speaker, I am going to adjourn debate.
MR.
SPEAKER:
It
has been moved and seconded, I say to the hon. Member for Burgeo – La Poile,
that the debate now adjourn.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER:
All
those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR.
KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
With the consent of my colleagues, we will take a break
for supper at this point in time and come back around 7:00 o'clock.
MR.
SPEAKER:
This House now stands in recess until 7:00 p.m.
May 13,
2014
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLVII No. 26A
The House resumed sitting at 7:00 p.m.
MR. SPEAKER (Wiseman):
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I call from the Order Paper, debate on the Concurrence Motion 2.(a)
Social Services Committee.
MR. SPEAKER:
We are now debating Concurrence.
The hon. the Member for Port de Grave.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a privilege to stand up tonight here at Concurrence.
For the people at home, Mr. Speaker, basically what Concurrence is – we
have three committees in government.
We have the Government Resource Committee, the Government Services
Committee, and the Social Services Committee, and we have a thing called
Estimates, where all government departments and agencies come before the various
committees and present. Basically,
we go through each individual line department's budget line by line.
Mr. Speaker, sometimes we get into some frank discussion on policy back and
forth by members and the various line departments, but most of the time we try
to keep it relevant to the line items that are in the Estimates.
Ministers, I must say, and department officials, have been very, very
co-operative and very – for lack of a better word – liberal in terms of
answering questions of concern by various members of our committee.
This is my third year Chairing the Social Services Committee and I want to take
this opportunity to thank the various members of our Social Services Committee:
the hon. the Member for Port au Port; the hon. the Member for Bonavista South;
the hon. the Member for Baie Verte – Springdale; the hon. the Member for St.
John's Centre; the hon. the Member for Cartwright – L'Anse au Clair, and the
hon. the Member for St. John's North.
Mr. Speaker, it is common that at times other hon. members fill in for members.
It is quite common on the Opposition side, Mr. Speaker, for those in the
audience, that when we are doing a particular line department, the Opposition
critic for that department normally fills in and does that in
various
departments. So, we want to thank
those members as well, who have filled in and subbed in from time to time and
came before the committee.
During our deliberations we reviewed various departments.
We reviewed the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services; the
Department of Education; the Department of Justice; the Department of Health and
Community Services; the Department of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs,
including the Office of Public Engagement; the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing
Corporation, and also the Labour Relations Agency.
One of the significant things about the Social Services Committee, Mr. Speaker,
is that the social sector of government takes up 58.6 per cent of the overall
Budget. So, 58.6 per cent of the
overall Budget is taken up in the social sector.
Obviously, Mr. Speaker, the largest portion of that is taken up by the
Department of Health. Some 37.6 per
cent of government's Budget goes to Health.
A little over $3 billion goes into our health sector and our Health
budget.
As well, Mr. Speaker, about 11 per cent of the remaining 56 per cent goes into
Education; about $880 million is in Education.
So those two departments, Health and Education combined, take up about
48.6 per cent of the overall Social Services Committee budget, or the social
sector budget. It is very, very
significant.
Mr. Speaker, this year this government in its social sector spending increased
its spending from $4.4 billion last year in 2013-2014 to some $4.6 billion in
this year's Budget, an increase of about half a per cent.
Mr. Speaker, normally when we do this we try to highlight some of the
things that have been discussed in the various departments, and there is much to
discuss. There was much
conversation.
In Education, for example, the continued freeze on tuition.
It is very important, Mr. Speaker, the freeze on tuition.
It came out of Advanced Education and Skills, but it is very significant.
It is very significant for those young high school students; Grade 12
graduates going on to post-secondary education.
Mr. Speaker, in a year or so I will be a proud parent and my son will be into
the same thing, trying to decide what post-secondary education he will take.
Our continued freeze on post-secondary tuition will certainly make our
institutions, the College of the North Atlantic, Memorial University, and the
Marine Institute more favourable in his choosing.
AN HON. MEMBER:
A big difference in the debt.
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
A very big difference.
Mr. Speaker, as well, the elimination of the provincial student loan portion.
That will cut down the overall debt of students by about 40 per cent.
Forty per cent is significant over a four-year term, an undergraduate
program. A student and families – I
recall the hon. Member for Cape St. Francis here standing up today talking about
the importance of education and how important education is to him.
Well, education is important to me as well.
Mr. Speaker, a 40 per cent saving is significant savings for families who
are trying to put their children through post-secondary education.
Mr. Speaker, maybe the most dramatic, and one that was talked about
significantly in our Education Estimates, was the implementation of full-day
Kindergarten. Now, the
implementation of full-day Kindergarten is going to have a dramatic impact on
our young children. There was a lot
of debate, a lot of conversation, and a lot of questions that went back and
forth across the floor to the Minister of Education about the implementation of
full-day Kindergarten and the impacts that may have.
Mr. Speaker, I am proud to say in that discussion all parties agreed that the
implementation of full-day Kindergarten is a good thing.
Are there challenges, Mr. Speaker?
I think the minister outlined some of the challenges.
We are going to need portable classrooms for some schools.
We have some schools right now, particularly here on the Northeast
Avalon, to use an expression, are busting at the seams.
Busting at the seams, Mr. Speaker, so we are going to need some portable
classrooms to accommodate the implementation of full-day Kindergarten.
I want to get a plug in for my own district here.
I was very pleased in the Budget of the announcement for a new school for
Coley's Point Primary.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
A school that is an old wooden structure, sixty years old, Mr. Speaker.
I have heard members opposite talk about here on the Northeast Avalon students
and staff and teachers working out of broom closets.
Well, Mr. Speaker, let me tell you, students at Coley's Point Primary,
and teachers at Coley's Point Primary have been doing that for many, many years.
I want to compliment the teachers of Coley's Point Primary for the
quality of education they have been giving our children in this sixty-year-old
wooden structure. Again, what I
want to say is I want to thank government for the opportunity to announce a new
school for Coley's Point Primary.
Mr. Speaker, one of the other significant things, and it was talked about fairly
substantially in our debate, was the student assistant support.
This year government saw fit to put another million dollars of support
into our student assistant support program.
That will add about an additional 43,000 hours of student support for our
children in our schools. Mr.
Speaker, I would suggest that is significant; 43,000 hours I think is a
significant amount of additional support.
Mr. Speaker, I know something about the special services and special needs.
My wife has been a special education teacher at the primary level for
twenty-six years. Sometimes I stand
here and listen to members opposite think they are the only ones who know
anything about special needs and special services of our children in this
Province.
Well, Mr. Speaker, being married to a special education teacher for the last
twenty-three years, I think I can speak very well of the special education
teachers and the student support systems that are in our schools.
Is it all perfect?
Definitely not, Mr. Speaker, there is always room for improvement, but it is not
as bad as made out by the Opposition.
We also had Health and Community Services.
Health and Community Services is so vast, and there are so many needs and
there were so many discussion points.
This year, Mr. Speaker, it was kind of unique, because during the
Estimates we ended up in a Cabinet shuffle.
We ended up with some new ministers taking on new responsibilities and
basically they were only days old in their new portfolios when they came before
Estimates. I want to congratulate
them.
That was the case with Minister Davis.
Minister Davis came forward, and I think he was on the –
MR. SPEAKER:
You mean the Minister of Health and Community Services.
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
The Minister of Health, I am sorry, yes.
Minister Davis came forward as the Minister of Health.
It has been a long day already, Mr. Speaker.
Minister Davis came through –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
AN HON. MEMBER:
You are not allowed to use names.
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
The Minister of Health and Community Services was only six days old when he
finally came to Estimates. It was a
good job. Mr. Speaker, there is a
lot of significant things that went on in the Health and Community Services
budget and I would like to highlight some of those.
I have heard the Opposition critic, the Member for Burgeo – La Poile talk a lot
about the need for new born screening, particularly for young children with a
potential for cystic fibrosis. I
know the member opposite has talked about other things in terms of cystic
fibrosis, but, Mr. Speaker, in my district I have an advocate for cystic
fibrosis. She has met with me on a
number of occasions. One of the
things she saw that she thought was important was also new born screening for
children with cystic fibrosis, and I was glad to see that it was in this year's
budget at a cost of $168,000.
Mr. Speaker, also in this year's budget there was money in it for an enhanced
Provincial Home Dialysis Program.
That is something that is a little bit close to my heart because many years ago
as a volunteer with the Trinity Conception Placentia Health Foundation we raised
funds for dialysis at the Carbonear General Hospital.
I know how difficult it is for people on dialysis to travel great
distances, and enhancing the Home Dialysis Program takes away some of that
travel.
Mr. Speaker, some dialysis patients have to travel two and three hours, and most
dialysis patients need to have dialysis two to three times a week, some for more
than three hours, some all day long.
The enhanced Provincial Home Dialysis Program was a great benefit to
these people. It saves them from
travelling. I know people who have
home dialysis are greatly appreciative of the expanded program.
Mr. Speaker, as well, we spent $1.5 million on a new hemodialysis site in
Bonavista, for the Member for Bonavista South.
He is a member of our committee.
He was advocating for that for some time.
This year there is $1.5 million for that new unit in Bonavista.
It was good.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
Mr. Speaker, we also invested about $1.2 million to address needs that were in
Stephenville on the West Coast, for our dialysis people on the West Coast.
We also had to address needs of our patients here in St. John's.
These units are working basically around the clock and over time they
need to be replaced. Some of these
new additional monies will help to upgrade and replace some of this dialysis
equipment.
Mr. Speaker, we can go on here. I
know the member opposite as well, the Opposition critic, he talked a lot about
and he questioned a lot about the smoking cessation program.
I believe both Opposition members talked significantly about the smoking
cessation program, what that would involve, and how many times could a person go
on and off. That conversation went
on.
Mr. Speaker, for most people smoking is a lifelong addiction, and trying to get
people to cease smoking is a challenge.
Programs like the smoking cessation program hopefully will improve our
health. There is nothing better we
can do for our people than improve their health.
By implementing a smoking cessation program, particularly for our
low-income people, it is very important.
One of the nice things about this, Mr. Speaker, it is not a one-time deal.
People get three opportunities.
As was said in committee, sometimes they like to practice.
The first time is just like practice.
You go out and you do it the first time just to see what it feels like.
It usually takes a second or third time before you actually cease
smoking. Again, much discussion
took place around smoking cessation.
Also, Mr. Speaker, a lot of discussion around long-term care facilities.
We all know our population is aging and now the need for long-term care
facilities. In Labrador, we have a
new twenty-bed expansion in Labrador, in Happy Valley-Goose Bay.
I know the Member for Lake Melville has been advocating for that
expansion for quite some time.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
I want to congratulate him on that.
There was a lot of conversation around the long-term care needs of our citizens
and our older population. Again,
Mr. Speaker, we are trying. We have
a new long-term care facility here in St. John's.
We have a new long-term care facility in the District of Carbonear –
Harbour Grace, and we have a new long- term care facility in Lewisporte.
All of these facilities are trying to address the needs of our aging
population.
Mr. Speaker, we could go on and on here.
Another very important topic that came up in the Health and Community
Services budget was autism, the need of improvements to autism.
I am very proud to announce that we have twenty-two new positions to
improve our autism service in the Province.
I want to congratulate the former Minister of Health and Community
Services because I know she worked long and hard for these things.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
I want to thank her for her work on that.
Again, Mr. Speaker, these are issues that came up in Estimates.
All these things came up and they were discussed, questions back and
forth. I must say to the minister
and his staff of Health and Community Services, they did a wonderful job of
explaining and going through that service.
Then, Mr. Speaker, we come to Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs.
There are a number of issues there, but most of the time when you get to
Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs it is all about the needs of communities
and what we are doing in terms of municipal infrastructure.
A lot of discussion took place around municipal infrastructure.
Mr. Speaker, this year in this budget we announced $200 million for new
municipal infrastructure over three years.
Twenty-two of our largest communities would have $100 million of
multi-capital works, as we call it, and the other $100 million would be for the
other communities.
Mr. Speaker, there are many needs out there.
We need clean drinking water.
We need new water and sewer services.
We have many needs. Our
communities have many needs and these dollars will go a long way in addressing
that.
I want to thank the minister for the announcements in my district of Port de
Grave: $3 million of multi-capital works money for the Town of Bay Roberts;
$600,000 for the Town of Spaniard's Bay; and $400,000 to continue a water and
sewer project in the Town of Clarkes Beach.
These are just some of the infrastructure improvements that we had in my
district, Mr. Speaker, and I want to thank the minister for that.
As well, Mr. Speaker, I want to talk about the $5 million that we put in support
of our volunteer firefighters. I
come from a family of volunteer firefighters and I know their dedication and the
efforts that they put in. Our
firefighters today are not just firefighters, they are first responders, they
are first-aiders, and they are paramedics.
These people take time to get trained.
They dedicate themselves. No
matter the time of the day or night, 365 days, twenty-four seven, these people
answer the call.
I have to say in my own district we have some very, very dedicated volunteer
fire departments and my hat goes off to them.
Hopefully, Mr. Speaker, some of this $5 million in support will come to
the District of Port de Grave because we do have some needs.
I am sure as the minister reviews his –
MR. KING:
You will be looked at too.
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
I will be looked at too? Thank you,
Government House Leader.
The last thing, Mr. Speaker, because my time is winding down and I will get
another chance, I want to talk about the money that we also put into search and
rescue.
AN HON. MEMBER:
Coley's Point school.
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
I talked about Coley's Point school, Sir.
I thank you for Coley's Point school.
The money that we put into search and rescue – $550,000 extra was put into
search and rescue. Mr. Speaker, in
my district we have the Avalon North Wolverines, another dedicated group of
volunteers throughout the region who, when people are lost in the woods or
people are missing, are first persons there.
They dedicate themselves to training, orientation, and all the rest.
I want to take my hat off to them.
I think money going to search and rescue is a good investment.
Mr. Speaker, I see my time is winding down.
I will get another opportunity.
I thank you for your time. I
look forward to listening to the rest of the conversation.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the opportunity to speak to the Concurrence debate.
As the critic for the Office of Public Engagement, I sat with the Member for Bay
of Islands in debate in the Estimates Committee and we asked a lot of questions.
One of the things about Concurrence and looking at all the questions that
were put forward is around government's ability to be open, accountable, and
transparent.
When I sat in and questioned the minister with the Office of Public Engagement,
we asked about the Open Government Initiative and why when it was launched it
had outdated information and when we would go and see how we are going to get
more live data up there, what the consultation process would be.
When I sat in with the Minister of IBRD in Estimates, she committed that
we would have the communities that have broadband Internet in Newfoundland and
Labrador. This is the second year
in a row that it has been committed; I hope that the information is going to
come forward.
When asked about having it publicly disclosed as Open Government Initiative, to
make sure that everybody is aware of what communities, what regions have
broadband Internet, I thought that would be a great initiative to put up that
kind of spatial map. That is
innovative thinking. That is
something that a Liberal government would look at doing: making things so that
people can make good decisions.
On the Great Northern Peninsula, for example, we have a Web site that showcases
the communities on the Great Northern Peninsula.
It talks about the services and the business offerings, it talks about
the community, and everything is there.
It even says if there is cell coverage and if there is high-speed
Internet. Why can't our own
government replicate that on a much broader scale?
We need to see that.
Another matter when we talk about public engagement, the youth engagement falls
under that. I think we are really
missing the boat in Newfoundland and Labrador when it comes to how we engage our
youth and how we make them part of the process.
That is so important. We had
a Youth Retention and Attraction Strategy with forty-one initiatives, many of
those were cut, and they have fallen off the government's radar.
They even axed and cancelled the Youth Advisory Committee; let that go to
the wayside. Where is the
accountability? Where is the
listening to our youth in this Province?
Those are the types of challenges that we face, when a government says they are
open and accountable and transparent.
We have seen legislation put before the House of Assembly even this week,
the whistleblower legislation, that did not have the public consultation, yet
the former Minister of Justice said the reason why we could not put this forward
before the House in 2007 is because we need to do the public consultation.
There is a lot of mismatch in information that has coming forward.
I will say we need to see things that the Member for Port de Grave had talked
about. As a member of this House of
Assembly, I have put forward a private member's motion on safe and clean
drinking water. That is something
that needs to be made a great priority.
The former Minister of Municipal Affairs, I certainly have to thank him
in his role of investing in water projects in my district previously and the
work that has been done to try and look at enhancing water projects.
Now that we have the investment made in certain municipalities like St.
Lunaire-Griquet, we see that they are still challenged.
There is a significant amount of silt.
There needs to be work done on how we can improve water quality.
Having that working relationship is certainly key and important as we
move forward on advancing clean drinking water.
It is essential for everyone.
We need to make sure communities that are not public bodies also have
greater enforcement when it comes to testing private wells and public bodies of
water, not necessarily municipalities or local service districts.
There needs to be greater accountability there.
As the Member for Port de Grave proudly mentioned in his speech as he started,
he said the social services sector spent $4.4 billion last year.
We are spending even more this year, $4.6 billion.
It is not necessarily something to be proud about that you are spending
more money. More money does not
necessarily mean better outcomes.
It is about having better delivery of service, find greater efficiencies, and
make improvements so that we have better health outcomes for people.
That is one sector that is here is the Department of Health and Community
Services.
I have said before in this House of Assembly, under the Grenfell health board
and under Labrador-Grenfell Health, the St. Anthony area as well as Happy
Valley-Goose Bay has had midwives.
These midwives have assisted the majority of births in St. Anthony and that has
helped significantly.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. MITCHELMORE:
In all the low-risk births they have provided great continuity of care before
and after a birth, prenatal and postnatal.
This helps reduce the overall cost to the health care system.
Ontario right now I believe has more midwives in their public service, in their
public health care system, than they do the obstetricians.
Midwifery is something that we should move on.
We have in the past. It has
been accessible for people. People
have a right to choose. Women have
that right to choose. It is good
for families.
The former Minister of Health made the announcement stating that it would be
five to seven years before it would be made available in the public sector, in
our RHAs, but only one year for the private sector, so we certainly know where
the government currently is. It is
about privatization of services, not about making things publicly available to
people, and accessible. Especially
in some of the more rural areas of the Province, you will not see privatized
service like midwifery set up.
Another major issue when we look at health care is around physiotherapy
services. We have a critical lack
of physiotherapists, especially in rural settings.
There is a significant wait-list.
I know in St. Anthony, on the whole Northern Peninsula, they have only
two physiotherapists. At one point
it was only one, and now they will have two, but a significant backlog.
They are not able to accept any WHSC cases.
They deal primarily with internal patients at the hospital, and some of
it is long-term patients. It is
very difficult to get an appointment there.
People have to drive to Deer Lake.
They have to drive 400 kilometres each way to see a physiotherapist.
So, you can understand why people are not getting the care they need, and
the risk of re-injury. It is the
same thing where we have not had occupational therapy.
The whole issue around recruitment and retention of health care professionals is
certainly key. We need to see more
of that. Making sure that if we
have those services then we are less likely to see more emergency room visits,
which would be a higher cost, as well as looking at the number of beds in
hospitals that are filled up by people who really need a long-term care bed.
These people are also being discharged as well and sent home.
These are significant challenges, because we do need to look at long-term care.
It is a big challenge. I
have put forward an idea of looking at some of the smaller clinics we have, that
have the staff there twenty-four seven, of utilizing space within those
facilities. Like the White Bay
Central Health Centre where you could have four, maybe six beds offered.
That would provide care closer to home without radically increasing costs
to health care, and we would be taking care of more people, not less.
One of the positive things in the Estimates in the Budget there is the reduction
in the kilometres for medical travel.
Because we do know so many people have to travel outside of the region
for medical travel, and that has gone down.
As well, we have seen the kilometre amount will be increased based on the
Budget.
Dental services, it is a huge issue in the district.
When the Adult Dental Program came out – we are still seeing people
waiting for their dentures from that program, from the initial uptake.
In the Labrador-Grenfell Health setting, in St. Anthony particularly, you
do not have fee-based dental service.
That in itself has limited access to dental care because of the way it is
being offered. It is an issue.
There needs to be something done because this is how dental services are
offered throughout the Province.
I am very pleased to see the announcement in the Budget for Bonavista when it
comes to dialysis service there. It
is a great announcement. We
understand when you have a growing need – we have seen people lobby for that
service. There were a number of
people having to travel to Clarenville.
When people need dialysis in adverse weather conditions they need it
close to home, so that is a great investment.
In my very own district, we have a similar challenge where we had a number of
people who have had vehicle accidents.
They could not get dialysis, appointments were cancelled, and people have
been lobbying. They have been
lobbying to see satellite dialysis added to the Strait of Belle Isle Health
Centre, a new health care centre that was $9 million basically invested in the
district. This can be an
opportunity because there are a significant number of people – some people would
come back home if the service was also offered locally.
There needs to be a broader assessment when you look at delivery of
health care, and if by adding a service we can see cost savings.
I want to talk a little bit about the Department of Advanced Education and
Skills. I want to say that one of
the programs that have been offered through the Department of Advanced Education
and Skills is a targeted initiative for older workers.
My district of the Straits – White Bay North has a lot of older workers.
Some of them have been displaced from the cod moratorium.
Others have seen downsizes, whether it be in fish plants or the forest
sector.
This program provides a great complement of working with the College of the
North Atlantic locally. Providing
local instructors to come in and do training, to provide advice, to give
presentations for these workers to get skills, to be able to maybe look at
starting their own business, start a part-time business with the products they
learned to make and sell, or they could also look at attaching to the labour
market.
I was very fortunate to see two programs that are currently ongoing.
One in Main Brook, which is a carpentry program that is teaching people.
They are going to learn the whole process, which will complete a fifty by
seventy building that is of aluminum structure that has been put there through
hard work of local people. This
will be a great asset once complete because it allows some vibrancy in the
community from a social setting and also to look at bringing in people to do
various training, to generate revenue.
This is a positive investment. You
need to have social spaces in our communities.
Every group, whether it is youth, whether it is seniors, having a social
space in the community that is accessible is very positive.
We have seen some announcements where that is the case, as well as
Englee.
In Englee we saw where the former fish plant was removed and the site was
remediated, and we are seeing right now where a lot of workers were displaced.
Now in Englee there are people who are learning how to make glass art.
This is a town that has also looked at doing rug hooking.
They have an exhibit there in the town hall.
They also have somebody working as part of a JCP with the French Shore that is
going to lead to an exhibit, doing a tapestry depicting the French culture for
300 years. It is going to go on
tour across the Province. In places
like Placentia, Stephenville – St. George's, the Port au Port area.
It will travel across Province and promote our French culture and
heritage, just like on the Great Northern Peninsula.
When we look at some of the challenges, though – we have challenges when it
comes to looking at the college system.
We have to look at programming and how it is changing, and how
administration puts out and notifies people of when they are accepted into a
program; the wait-list and how they deal with that.
These are issues. Those are
things that the minister is going to have to address.
I have some concerns with the increase of the $100, to $1,950, for personal care
homes in the Province. I have been
informed that this is not a $100 up-front payment on July 1.
It will be rolled out, at least in Labrador-Grenfell Health, $50 at a
time. When the Budget was announced
people had the indication they would get the $100 up front.
As well, when we look at the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services, I
want to welcome the minister to this role.
I have seen the benefits of child care and how we have made affordable
child care available, in my district in particular, through a non-profit
setting. I got to attend the
Riddles and Rhymes daycare, and in it they celebrated twenty years, noting that
they had some hard times. They have
had challenges throughout, but now they are seeing the real success and
stability.
Not too long ago a group of women in the community, primarily mothers, expecting
mothers, and community leaders got together and formed the Straits Daycare
Corporation. That is something that
is up and started and is a great investment because it will help with the
recruitment and retention of workers.
We need that, and that
links to the Department of Advanced Education and Skills and the array of
services that are needed.
One of the things that I think is completely unacceptable, that the former
Minister of Education has done and has approved, is looking at closing the St.
Lunaire-Griquet public library. The
public library is still listed as temporarily closed, despite the former
Minister of Education saying this will not close.
We will not close any public libraries.
It will be made available.
Once the school, Bayview Regional Collegiate, closes we will look for alternate
space.
You have another school that has space in Gunners Cove that does not have to
cost a penny. It is in the same
town. St. Lunaire-Griquet, Gunners
Cove, one amalgamated town, the school is in the town; why not put the library
there? There are other spaces
available.
Why would you take books away from our children, from people who need it the
most, take away Internet access to people, to provide that space, that
opportunity when it comes to availability of a digital camera and the business
services, fax services that are available at public libraries and programming
that exists as well? There is a
real opportunity. When we have some
of the highest illiteracy in the Province that exists based on statistics, we
should not be closing public libraries.
That is something that is not acceptable at all.
Since the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation is listed under these
Estimates and I am trying to stick primarily to the Concurrence to make it
something that – when we talk about things in Estimates, I want to make this
very relevant. The Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing Corporation is certainly faced with challenges.
In the fall, just before Christmas, Habitat for Humanity came.
We have had four people take up homes through a Habitat for Humanity
project in St. Anthony. The
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing saw three homes be vacated because people were
eligible for these homes. Now they
are going to be homeowners.
We still see vacancies in those Newfoundland and Labrador Housing units because
they have not been renovated. They
have not been renovated or upgraded so we are still leaving people who need
access to affordable social housing through Newfoundland and Labrador Housing.
This is happening throughout the Province.
Why aren't we doing the upgrades in a timely manner so that people who are on
wait-lists who need housing get access to housing right now?
It is just completely unacceptable that it is delayed and that it is
taking so long. We are months and
months later. We have seen that
time and time again from this government where things are delayed and delayed
and delayed.
I believe the Member for Bay of Islands earlier today had talked about how
government wanted to get tenders out early.
They had announced a number of tenders for PC districts.
There is a real delay. The
work is not being done. I have seen
it in my own district where work has been delayed, it has been carried over, and
we have not seen that start yet. We
need to see clear planning so that when things do get delayed – and sometimes
things get delayed for good reason.
If not, at tail end of the season, things that are at the end, that get carried
over, are done first and people are informed of when they are going to actually
be done, so that people can actually plan around other projects and other needs
that they have in their community.
What we are looking at, from a social perspective and in the social sector
committee, is how we provide the services to meet the needs of people, the
programs that are necessary for the public good.
In doing so, we cannot make sure that we are just throwing money at
initiatives, like the Member for Port de Grave talked about, that there is an
increase of $200 million in the Social Services Committee, despite all the
cutbacks that happened last year.
So, are we getting to spend, spend, and balloon, balloon – we are borrowing a
billion dollars.
I see, Mr. Speaker, that my time has expired.
I will have an opportunity to speak another time.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District of Port au Port.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. CORNECT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a pleasure to be up on my feet tonight in this Concurrence debate to talk
about the debate we had on the Estimates of the social services sector.
Mr. Speaker, our Committee reviewed the Estimates of the Departments of
Child, Youth and Family Services; Education; Health and Community Services;
Justice; Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs; Newfoundland and Labrador
Housing Corporation; the Office of Public Engagement; and the Labour Relations
Board.
Mr. Speaker, if we look at the overall Budget and look at past Budgets of this
Administration, the bulk or the majority of our spending goes into these
programs of these departments that offer and provide social safety nets to the
people of this Province who need it and request it.
Mr. Speaker, as we go through this important process – the budgetary process –
we can get an in-depth overview of the programs and spending in each department.
As we went through each department, it was obvious that a tremendous work
has been done and tremendous amounts of money have been allocated or invested in
each department to ensure delivery of services to the people of Newfoundland and
Labrador.
It is indeed great to see the solid and strong foundation that this
Administration has built, the new initiatives we are embarking on.
This process is a format, as well, to give us an indication of how
programs and services are to be delivered, and how it is to be implemented and
rolled out. This spells out, Mr.
Speaker, government's plans to deliver effective and efficient programs and
services to its people.
Now, Mr. Speaker, I will go through the departments, as we went through
Estimates. First, let's look at the
Department of Child, Youth and Family Services.
What I will give you now is a synopsis or snapshot of the mandate or
vision of the department. This
department is responsible for the planning and development of policies,
standards and programs, as well as service delivery to help ensure the safety
and well-being of our children and youth in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The legislative framework which governs the provision of services for children,
youth and families in this Province include Children and Youth Care and
Protection Act, the Adoption Act, Child Care Services Act, Youth Criminal
Justice Act, and the Young Persons Offences Act.
Mr. Speaker, in Budget 2014 some of the investments we are making, we are
investing an additional $308,000 to implement a new one-year mentoring team, as
well as hire two new community service workers for the Innu zone; funding of
$200,000 to provide additional funding for travel to continue the newly
implemented fly-in, fly-out approach, the Community of Natuashish Service
Enhancement Program.
The department is also investing $280,000 to purchase housing in Hopedale for
social work staff; approximately $1.5 million for an additional twenty new
positions, including social work supervisors and social workers, to continue the
implementation of the department's organizational model for the Department of
Child, Youth and Family Services.
Mr. Speaker, the department is funding an additional $500,000 for the
Newfoundland and Labrador Foster Families Association to strengthen the capacity
and role of local associations across the Province.
The total budget expenditure for the Department of Child, Youth and
Family Services for the fiscal year is $190,640,600.
Now, Mr. Speaker, let's take a closer look at some of the initiatives within the
Department of Education. The
Department of Education is responsible for the developing and administering a
provincial system of education which encourages all students to achieve their
potential development. It
administers early learning opportunities for pre-school children and the
primary, elementary, and secondary school system with programs sufficiently
flexible to meet the individual needs and capabilities of all children.
Specialized educational programs are provided for children with a
disability who are unable to benefit from regular classroom instruction.
Mr. Speaker, the department is responsible for the provision of literacy,
library and information services in the Province.
Some of these achievements in education include: $35.4 million for the
introduction of full-day Kindergarten beginning in September 2016; $30.6 million
is provided over three years for infrastructure, as well as teaching and
learning resources related to full-day Kindergarten, with ongoing costs expected
to be well over $13 million annually; $4.8 million over three years to continue
a focus on children from birth to age three and to build on previous
investments.
Mr. Speaker, an investment of $128.1 million for educational infrastructure
continuing a historically unprecedented systematic investment in new schools,
extensions, redevelopments, renovations and repairs, and maintenance; $2.4
million on an annual basis to retain 28.5 teaching units, which were slated for
removal due to an overall reduction in student population in our schools; there
is funding for 43,000 additional student assistant hours at a cost of $1
million; also, the continuation of no school fees and the free textbook policy
in schools in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Mr. Speaker, when we look at the Department of Education, the total net
expenditure for 2014-2015 is $871,968,500.
We also met to discuss the Estimates of the Department of Health and Community
Services whose mandate is for the overall direction of the Province's health and
community services system, which provides services and programs aimed at the
prevention of disease and the promotion, restoration, and maintenance of health
and well-being. These goals are
supported by the various programs of the department which include funding for
the operation of hospitals, health care centres, long-term care facilities, and
the provision of medical care, public health and other community services.
Some of the investments initiatives, Mr. Speaker, in Budget 2014 highlights $2
million to increase capacity for autism assessment, and to reduce wait times for
children with autism and other developmental conditions annualizing to $3.9
million in 2015-2016; $1.8 million to continue implementing the provincial
wait-time strategy for hip and knee joint replacement; $1.2 million to address
the increased growth in hemodialysis in St. John's and in Stephenville; over
$700,000 to expand the Medical Transportation Assistance Program; $350,000 to
expand the provincial vaccination program including greater access to influenza
vaccines, whooping cough vaccines for adults, and second dose chicken pox
vaccine for children; over $158,000 to expand the Newborn Screening Program to
include cystic fibrosis; $24 million to enhance cancer treatment, including $7.1
million for coverage of new drug therapies under the Newfoundland and Labrador
Prescription Drug Program; and $712,000 for a smoking cessation program for
eligible persons.
Last year, Mr. Speaker, Health and Community Services spent $2,837,545,000.
This year, the budget we adopted in Estimates will see the budget for
Health and Community Services increase to an estimated expenditure of
$2,953,813,500.
Mr. Speaker, let me go on now to the Department of Justice.
The Department of Justice provides legal services to government and is
primarily responsible for the protection of citizens of the Province in respect
to persons and their property. This
objective is met by providing for police protection; the prosecution of alleged
offenders; the operation of the court and correctional systems for the Province;
services to victims of crime; protection of human rights; and Legal Aid
services. Drafting of legislation
of the House of Assembly by the Office of the Legislative Counsel is also
provided. In addition, Mr. Speaker,
the department is responsible for the co-ordination of Access to Information and
Protection of Privacy, the Fish and Wildlife Enforcement Division, the Support
Enforcement Program, the Family Justice Services Division, Fines Administration,
and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.
Mr. Speaker, let me highlight some of the investments through Budget 2014 for
the Department of Justice. There is
$9.2 million to strengthen policing services and enhanced recruitment, search
and rescue, and the court system; including $4.8 million in additional funding
for police services, which, among other things, will be used to fund five new
RCMP officers for Labrador, to increase Memorial University of Newfoundland's
Police Studies Program class size, to enable the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary
to add twenty new constables over the next three years, and additional funding
for the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit, Newfoundland and Labrador.
Also, Mr. Speaker, Budget 2014 saw an increase of $116,000 to the annual grant
provided to the Newfoundland and Labrador Search and Rescue Association for each
of the next five years to be used to update vehicles and equipment, and also to
be used for radio licensing fees.
Mr. Speaker, also Budget 2014 saw $2.1 million for the Legal Aid system, and
$1.7 million for the Sherriff's Office to begin implementing recommendations of
the external reviews that were commissioned in 2013, as announced on March 24,
2014.
Another initiative in Budget 2014, part of the Department of Justice, which I
was very proud to be part of on April 14, along with my colleague, the MHA for
the District of St. George's – Stephenville East, we were blessed to have the
presence of the Premier to come to Stephenville and announce funding and the
start of a brand new courthouse for the Stephenville, Bay St. George, Port au
Port region. Mr. Speaker, that was
a very proud and defining moment for myself and the MHA for St. George's –
Stephenville East. This year, Mr.
Speaker, the Department of Justice will spend $236,223,300 in the Department of
Justice, as we brought forward in the Estimates.
The Department of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs has a mandate to
support the financial stability and viability of municipalities, and the
efficient and effective delivery of municipal services.
The department, Mr. Speaker, assists municipalities in meeting their
infrastructure needs, and provides financial and administrative tools to support
sound municipal governance. The
Fire and Emergency Services agency is responsible for the co-ordination of the
overall services in Fire and Emergency Services.
The department also leads the formulation of government's
intergovernmental policies and strategies, and monitors and co-ordinates
interdepartmental initiatives to ensure their consistent application.
Mr. Speaker, some of the highlights in the Department of Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs through Budget 2014: a new three-year $200 million
Municipal Capital Works Program as announced on March 11, 2014, will fund high
priority areas such as delivery of clean drinking water, as well as upgrades to
roads and wastewater systems. As
part of this program, approximately $100 million is being allocated to the
Province's seven largest municipalities.
This takes into consideration prior levels of funding for municipal
infrastructure and Municipal Operating Grants to ensure that their needs are
being adequately addressed.
Mr. Speaker, another initiative of this government and highlighted in Budget
2014 will be $4.5 million that is allocated for brand new fire trucks throughout
municipalities and communities in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
This will include a one-time $3 million increase in the funding over last
year's total. This investment is to
support and help our valuable and dedicated firefighters in the Province.
Mr. Speaker, total budget expenditure for the Department of Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs in 2014-2015 is allocated at $177,793,800.
When we did the Estimates and we went through the departments line by
line, there were some policy questions asked by members of the Opposition.
At the end of every session when we voted on it, there was unanimous
support for the Estimates of the Budget.
I am looking forward to unanimous support of the overall Budget that was
brought forward in March of this year.
Mr. Speaker, Budget 2014: Shared
Prosperity, Fair Society, Balanced Outlook will benefit the people and the
communities that make up our Province with targeted expenditure in areas of
health, education, child care, infrastructure, and economic development.
To conclude my remarks on Budget Estimates Concurrence for this year, let
me again say to the people of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador we have
built a strong foundation. We will
continue to make key investments for the people and in the people of the
Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the privilege to speak to Concurrence tonight.
I look forward to further debates on the Budget as we go through the
session.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District of Bay of Islands.
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I just want to rise and have a few minutes to speak on the Budget and on the
Estimates. I just heard the Member
for Port au Port and, yes, there are a lot of good things in the Budget.
I would never deny that.
There are good things in the Budget.
There are a lot of things that help a lot of people out in the Province.
That is obvious and that is a positive thing.
There is absolutely no doubt about it.
Mr. Speaker, the Estimates that were here tonight and the ones that I am going
to be speaking about are Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs, Health and
Community Services, and Education.
I am just going to have a few words about each one and just pass on some of my
concerns and highlights that I have noticed during the Estimates, during the
Budget Speech, and going through the Budget in discussions here in the House.
Mr. Speaker, I know sometimes that as a government you get so many asks, you get
so many requests. I know they
cannot all be met. I am 100 per
cent confident that if someone had all the funds to give all the requests that
are made to every department, it would be an ideal world.
I know it is not an ideal world.
I look at the Minister of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs.
In the Bay of Islands alone there is $18 million worth of requests from
the Bay of Islands. You just cannot
fulfill that. No government can
fulfill that. This is not being
critical of the government if you do not get everything you ask.
What you do ask for is to try to have some input to get the priorities.
As the member for the area you are in constant contact with the towns; you are
speaking to the towns. You would
like to be able to pass on the priorities of the towns, and also to be treated
fairly, as we all expect to do and we are all going to fight to do.
I understand politics. I
understand at times there is a decision that may be made, and if they are of
equal weight and both health and safety are taken care of, Mr. Speaker, I
understand the politics of funding in government.
What we need to do is we need co-operation.
You do not get that by us trying to just say everything the government is
doing is bad, or any time we make a request or any time we make a suggestion
that we are criticizing the government.
Mr. Speaker, that is not the way it works.
I know I am not allowed to bring up some of the JCPs in the area.
I am not allowed to bring them up, and do you know why?
Because the minister here is around speaking to everybody and saying
okay, here is the best we can do; what do you think?
That is the way it should be.
How can you argue with that, Mr. Speaker?
How can you argue when the minister comes over to the Opposition and says
okay, here is the money that is available; here is how I did it.
Everybody is going to be treated the same.
How can you argue with it?
You may not get everything you want.
You may not get the projects you want, but you cannot argue about the
process. You cannot argue about
being treated fair. If you go back
to your district with the JCPs and there are some that you cannot fulfill, you
cannot go back and blame it on government.
You have to say that is all the money that is there.
That has been done before, Mr. Speaker.
To the minister, that is the way I have always said we should work.
You may never get everything you want - there is no way you are going to
get everything you want - but as long as you are treated fair, you can go back
and you can justify it in your district.
You can justify it to all the residents of the Bay of Islands if you are
treated fair.
I said it from day one, I said it before and I
know
myself and the Minister of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs had a meeting
with the Town of Lark Harbour and York Harbour this past Friday, we were very
honest and we were very upfront.
The towns made a request and I informed the minister at the meeting.
I said: Minister, I informed them that can never happen.
They tried, and I said it in front of the group: This just cannot happen;
it would be against all government policy.
They said: We will try. We
work well together.
Last night when I spoke, I mentioned how we dealt with the two towns.
The two towns were very, very pleased, by the way.
At least they got a proper hearing.
They sat down. We will wait
and see the outcome, but the towns were very pleased.
Mr. Speaker, I will just go through a few of the towns in the Bay of Islands and
talk about some of the asks that they are looking for.
As I just mentioned to the minister, we had the meeting with the Towns of
Lark Harbour and York Harbour concerning amalgamation.
I know Lark Harbour is looking for Phase 2 of water and sewer.
York Harbour has not reached that stage yet.
They are going to hopefully get a feasibility study – which is all part
of the amalgamation – to see if it is feasible to run a water system off the
Lark Harbour system or start their own system.
Mr. Speaker, also some of the concerns that they have are a new fire truck and
upgrades to their fire hall and their town hall, especially if they amalgamate.
There is very great co-operation with both towns now.
There is a willingness by both towns to amalgamate.
They are hoping they can work it out with the department.
The towns are on side.
Those are some of the concerns that they have there, Mr. Speaker, and they were
all raised with the minister last week.
Hopefully, that is going to come.
It will be great for both towns because they share the same church, the
same fire department, and now the same Firettes.
There are shared services there.
Then in Lark Harbour they have what they call the Outer Bay of Islands
Enhancement Committee. Mr. Speaker,
it is a group of volunteers who got together and are putting up a lot of
climbing, a lot of hiking in the area.
You can go to Blow-Me-Down Brook and you can go to Cedar Cove where you
need ropes to get up. There are
five or six great trails in that area.
They applied for a Community Enhancement Program also.
Every year they get it and they upgrade and extend the trails, Mr.
Speaker. It is great for tourism.
When tourists come in the area they want to stay that extra night because
of these hiking trails. A lot of
this is done through government involvement and government help and assistance.
They are very proud of their work.
They should be proud of their work.
Mr. Speaker, I go to Humber Arm South.
The major request in Humber Arm South is the water and sewer for
Frenchman's Cove. That was
committed years ago. It had to stop
because of the funding. It is a
little over $1 million to finish it off.
That is their priority.
They are also looking for some firefighting equipment because their town now is
about twelve, fifteen kilometres long.
They have a fish plant with 200-300 workers in it, Mr. Speaker.
They have a school that the fire department is responsible for.
That town has grown by leaps and bounds.
They need fire protection equipment, and I know the application is in to
the minister for that also. I know
every town that puts a request in just cannot get everything they want.
I understand that. I
understand that totally, Mr. Speaker, but, then again, it is my job to ensure
that their request is being heard by the minister.
Mr. Speaker, they also put a grant in to the department.
I am hoping also that their grant can be looked upon favourably, because
they do a lot of work in the parks area.
They do well with the Community Enhancement Program also.
They did a lot of great work with that also.
I know they have an application in for the JCPs.
They received one last year, Mr. Speaker.
They received a JCP last year; they had a Come Home Year.
What a celebration for a week.
What a celebration in the Town of Humber Arm South for a week.
They had runs out to Woods Island.
They floated in a house.
They made a house and floated it in as the people who moved off Woods Island did
years and years ago. They
re-enacted that. What a great time
they had in the Town of Humber Arm South.
Mr. Speaker, we move up to Mount Moriah.
They are looking also for an extension to the waterline and looking for a
new fire hall as Mount Moriah has grown also.
As the town has grown, so have the needs.
These are all the requests that have gone in to the minister.
A lot of these requests are what the town needs.
There may be a little extra, but the majority of the requests are what
the towns need to survive and to expand.
I understand again and I will repeat it again, you cannot get everything.
It is my duty as the MHA to bring it up to the ministers: Here is a
request for the towns; what can we do?
How can we ensure they are getting their fair share?
Mr. Speaker, if that is done, that is all we can do.
That is all any of us could do.
I go over to the Town of Irishtown-Summerside, and I know the Minister of
Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs is listening attentively.
There was a grant put in, I say to the minister, for an emergency grant.
This is very important to the town.
It was turned down, which is understandable.
This is not a knock on the department.
They were told to reapply under Capital Works, which they did.
I think it was about $75,000, Mr. Speaker.
The $75,000 is going to increase the booster on the water because the
chlorination cannot get all the way up the line to have clean, safe drinking
water as the town expanded.
I know the minister is looking and I know he is listening.
I just want to ensure that the minister is well aware of that one in the
Town of Irishtown-Summerside because it is a water quality problem.
It was $75,000 which was the request.
It was turned down, and I can understand.
It was only another three to four months and Capital Works would be out
and it would be done very quickly in the town because there are a few problems
with the water. I just bring that
up to the minister's attention because it is a serious issue to a lot of towns
there, Mr. Speaker.
There is a sewer problem in Summerside.
It is the lower end of Summerside, Mr. Speaker.
It is on top of the hill, what they call the plant hill part.
There is a major problem with the sewer.
There is another part of the sewer, Summerside before they run into
Meadows, it is a major problem with the sewer.
These are the types of sewer problems that over the years, Mr. Speaker, were not
addressed that now we need to have addressed.
Once again we cannot do it all overnight; we cannot do it all in one
Budget. We may not do it all in
two, or three, or four Budgets, but we have to set the priorities and we have to
go and do it right. If we can see
bit by bit improvements in water quality, of water and sewer, we can all stand
up and say we are doing our job. We
cannot do it all, but we can make a difference.
Mr. Speaker, I go on to Meadows.
Meadows have, over the years, done well with the water and sewer.
Meadows started earlier than most towns.
Meadows did well with the water and sewer.
Last year they got some money to pave some roads.
This year they are also looking to pave some roads in the district.
Once again it is coming up in Meadows firefighting equipment.
Mr. Speaker, Meadows now has a K-12 school.
It is a big responsibility for the town.
They had a new truck about three years ago, I think.
Three or four years ago they received a new fire truck.
They need the equipment for the volunteer firefighters to ensure that
they have enough if there is ever a problem at the school.
Like they say, there may never be one, but we as firefighters have to be
prepared. That is why there is
firefighting equipment also. It was
on the list last year for firefighting equipment for the Town of Meadows.
Another big thing – and I know the Minister of Tourism would be interested in
this – they did a feasibility study on a ball field.
I know the money is going to Capital Works and they did it.
The request is in now for a softball field for the whole North Shore,
regionalization for the North Shore.
Years ago the North Shore had a great program in softball.
It had a great high school program in softball, but now when they go
practice softball they have to go to Corner Brook because they do not have a
field. That is something again to
the minister; I think last year there was money approved.
They went out and did some soil testing and that is back.
That is in Capital Works also.
That fits right into the government's program of active living for the
youth, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, Gillams also have some water and sewer issues.
They have some problems with the roads.
There is always an issue there.
The former Minister of Education, I have to speak about him for a minute.
There was an issue over on Gillams Road where they are trying to get a
school bus to go up the road. I
spoke to the minister and we wrote the minister.
The minister said we cannot get involved but here is the way to go about
it.
What we did is we met with the school board in Corner Brook and we met with the
town council. I have to give the
town council their due on the work that they did and I have to give the parents
their due. They had to widen the
road in certain areas and they had to go up and make a turnaround.
The residents of Farm Road in Gillams, Mr. Speaker, went out with their
power saws and cut down some blind spots.
The town went in, they got a tractor and they leveled off the blind
spots.
The Department of Education at the time put a few dollars in to help with the
widening of one or two parts of the road and to take away the blind spot.
Now there are over forty kids that the bus can go in over two kilometres,
about a kilometre and a half, Mr. Speaker, to pick up the kids.
I just wanted to make sure the former minister – I think the Minister of Child,
Youth and Family Services now, I just wanted to recognize you for your
assistance on that because the parents are very pleased that the kids do not
have to walk out to the road. I
just wanted to recognize that. That
is a major improvement in there, and safety for the kids.
Safety was the big thing. If
you are coming out in the wintertime on those roads, a kilometre or a kilometre
and a half, walking that far because the bus could not get in.
Also, Mr. Speaker, and the minister is well aware of this.
The school board at the time got permission to buy a smaller bus to go in
the road. They got permission from
the Department of Education to buy a smaller bus so they could go in the road.
I just wanted to thank the former minister, the school board, the
parents, and the town council for their assistance and co-operation in that.
Mr. Speaker, we have McIver's, another town in the Bay of Islands that needs
waterline extensions and an upgrade in their sanitary system.
The Minister of Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs with the CEP,
they did a lot of great work with the town hall with that program.
There are a lot of improvements to the town hall.
Then you go on to Cox's Cove, Mr. Speaker, where paving is a big issue.
The former Minister of Municipal Affairs – there was a fire truck that
was awarded last year to Cox's Cove.
We were at the fireman's ball, the minister was invited out but he could
not make it. I passed on his
regrets that he could not make it.
The tenders have been released for the new fire truck in Cox's Cove.
Mr. Speaker, why it is so important to have a fire truck, is Cox's Cove is on
the end of Route 440. It is on the
end. The closest place that can
help them is McIver's. McIver's is
a fair distance away with a fire truck to come down.
So it is very important that Cox's Cove get a fire truck.
The fire truck they had was about thirty years old.
They had to get parts brought in from England.
The need was recognized.
The firefighters at the fireman's ball asked me – I did forward it and I will
say it publicly now. They want to
thank the former minister for coming out and making the announcement on the fire
truck in the town hall with the residents, with the town.
They wanted to say thank you for that because you took the time to come
out and speak to them on that.
Mr. Speaker, I said it earlier, there is $18 million worth of requests in the
Bay of Islands. I do not expect all
of that to be approved this year.
It just cannot be done. It would
not be logical to go to every town and say yes, you should get everything.
It just should not happen, but as happened with the JCPs, it is a prime
example of how you come over and say: Here is how I did it.
Everybody in this House of Assembly is treated equally.
If you have something to complain about you cannot go back to your
district. Figure out what you want
done. That is the best I can do
because everybody is treated the same.
Someone like myself, or any other member on this side goes back to the district
to say, there is stuff we cannot get approved but we have our fair share.
How can we argue with that?
We just cannot. We just cannot, and
that is the way it should be, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to bring up Health and Community Services for a few
minutes in the Estimates. I say to
the minister, I do not know the short-term solution.
The long-term, of course, is the long-term care facility they are going
to build.
In the hospital now there are a lot of people who are in emergency rooms on
stretchers. I do not know if there
is a wing in the hospital we can open to alleviate, for the short-term, people
on stretchers in the hallways. This
is not being critical. This is
absolutely not being critical. This
is raising a concern that has been brought to my attention.
I was involved with one or two patients personally.
I ask the Minister of Health and Community Services if he can contact the board
and see if there is another wing we could open up for the short term.
See if there is some way we can alleviate this problem, because when you
get calls from people who are out in the hallways for seven or eight, or nine
days – and I know the CEO, she is a great lady.
She would do whatever she can for any person.
I know that, Mr. Speaker, but she can only work with the resources she
has.
I ask the Minister of Health and Community Services if he would ask his
officials to see if there is anything we can do in the short term to help out
with the patient problem in Corner Brook.
Mr. Speaker, my time is up and I thank you for the time.
I thank all ministers for their attention.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER (Verge):
The hon. the Member for Baie Verte – Springdale.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. POLLARD:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is certainly a privilege and an honour for me to stand in this hon. House in
Concurrence. First of all, I just
want to say a great big thank you and a sincere thank you to the people from my
district, the District of Baie Verte – Springdale for their ongoing support.
Without them I would not be here tonight.
I thank them for their support on a daily basis.
As all MHAs, we are certainly taking our job seriously and we appreciate
the support our constituents give us on a daily basis.
Before I get into the crux of what I want to talk about, Mr. Speaker, this being
National Nurses Week, I would like to join the Minister of Health as well, a
couple of days ago, by acknowledging and thanking all of our nurses out there,
nurse practitioners, LPNs, and RNs for their outstanding, stellar, stupendous
work that they do on a daily basis.
I would like to thank them for their caring, heart, and the compassion they
exhibit, that they display to all patients, and for their professionalism.
We would like to thank them from the bottom of our hearts.
Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, this being graduation season, I just wanted to say a
great big congratulations to the graduates from Indian River High School,
Springdale, and the graduates from MSB Regional High School in Middle Arm.
I attended both of these graduations, and, Mr. Speaker, they did an
outstanding job. The teachers, the
parents, and the whole community support education wholeheartedly.
I also commend Valmont Academy. I
was invited to their graduation, but due to the clash I could not attend both,
so my assistant went there, Patrick Jim, and he told me they had a tremendous
graduation as well. So hats off to
all three schools, Mr. Speaker. I
look forward to attending Cape John Collegiate graduation this Friday night
coming. They always have a nice
grad as well.
What are we doing right now, Mr. Speaker?
For the purpose of the listeners and your audience out there, those
people who are listening and glued to the TV at this very moment.
When a standing committee has completed its review of the Estimates, the
Chair of that committee reports to the House that the committee has approved the
Estimates referred to it. A motion
to concur in each committee report is now before this House.
It is debated for up to a maximum of three hours.
In essence, we get a total of nine hours to debate the Concurrence Motion
– three hours per committee. So
right now, as was pointed out earlier by previous speakers, we are debating the
social services motion or Concurrence.
Mr. Speaker, when the Budget is delivered, there are three committees formed to
discuss the Estimates. Now, I guess
that is phraseology or terminology out there that probably a lot of people are
not familiar with. What are we
talking about when we refer to the word, Estimates?
Well, Estimates are the proposed expenditures for government departments
and agencies, as well as the Legislature, by the way, for the upcoming fiscal
year, tabled as part of the annual Budget process, Mr. Speaker.
For your information, there are three Committees formulated: the Resource
Committee, which is Chaired by the Member for Exploits; the Government Services
Committee that was Chaired by the Member for Conception Bay East – Bell Island,
and there is also a third Committee, the Social Services Committee, which was
chaired by the Member for Port de Grave.
All three Chairs did an outstanding job, Mr. Speaker.
Each Committee, I do believe, consists of six members.
You might ask: What is the purpose of each Committee?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. POLLARD:
The purpose of each Committee is to discuss the proposed expenditures for the
upcoming year and compare previous years as well.
There is basically a three-week schedule whereby the Committees will meet
in the morning from 9:00 to about noon hour and also at 6:00 p.m. to about 9:00
p.m.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MR. POLLARD:
Sometimes, Mr. Speaker, should other members request and want longer time, the
ministers and the department officials oblige that request and they will have
probably another session, but they do not have to.
It is an opportunity for the Committee members to probe the department officials
and the minister to get answers as to why the money is spent, where the money is
spent, and where it goes.
Basically, it is an opportunity where we are educated of what services are
offered and what programs are offered as well.
It is an opportunity or a process whereby I suppose we call it – we get deep in
the bowels of each department.
Sometimes officials, ministers, and the staff are all held accountable.
There is nothing wrong with that, Mr. Speaker.
Everybody asks questions and they want to know where the money goes and
the expenditures.
It is a tedious process, Mr. Speaker, that enables the minister and department
officials to answer questions as basically the minister, his officials, and
staff are really on the hot seat. I
must say it is a very good exercise and it is very educational as well.
Last year, I believe I can remember I went to every session just to
educate myself who the deputy ministers were, who the ADMs were, who the staff
members were, and who the ministers were of each department because things
change from time to time. I must
say it was very educational.
I also commend each minister and the department officials for their stellar job.
They were willing to answer all kinds of questions, Mr. Speaker.
The officials also, the staff members of each department, displayed a
very in-depth knowledge and professionalism as they articulated their responses.
I would also like to commend each Committee member for their diligent
work as well.
I was a member of the Social Services Committee.
The other members of the Social Services Committee include: Chairperson,
the Member for Port de Grave; the Member for Port au Port; the Member for St.
John's North; the Member for Bonavista South; and the Member for St. John's
Centre. Mr. Speaker, each Committee
is comprised of members from all parties, so I suppose we can call it an
all-party committee.
Mr. Speaker, under the social services sector here are the following departments
that we had to examine and ask questions: the Department of Child, Youth and
Family Services; the Department of Education; the Department of Health and
Community Services; the Department of Justice; the Department of Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs; and the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing
Corporation.
What I want to do now, Mr. Speaker, is to examine the proposed expenditure of
each department. First of all,
let's examine the Department of Child, Youth and Family Services; $204,185,000
was the expenditures, representing 2.6 per cent of the expenditures.
The Department of Education saw $876,163,000; 11 per cent of the
expenditures, Mr. Speaker. The
Department of Health and Community Services was $2,988,620,000.
In other words, it was almost $3 billion; 37.6 per cent of the
expenditures. The Department of
Justice expenditures were $249,587,000, which represented 3.1 per cent of the
expenditures. The Department of
Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs was $266,350,000.
In other words, it was 3.3 per cent of the expenditures.
The Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation was $41,495,000; 0.5
per cent of expenditures.
Mr. Speaker, it is interesting that all of these departments combined yielded a
grand total, under the social sector, of 58 per cent of expenditures.
Just for your curiosity, the resource sector was 22.6 per cent
approximately and the government services was approximately 19.3 per cent.
These were the expenditures of the social services.
Mr. Speaker, for a couple of minutes I would also like to get into probably what
we call a mandate, a mission, or the objective of each department.
I will read it to you briefly, just to give those people who are watching
by TV out there some idea of what each department if responsible for.
First of all, I will go with Health and Community Services.
The Department of Health and Community Services is responsible for the
overall direction of the Province's health and community services system, which
provides services and programs aimed at the prevention of disease and the
promotion, restoration and maintenance of health and well-being.
These goals are supported by various programs of the department, which
include funding for the operation of hospitals, health care centres, long-term
care facilities and the provision of medical care, public health and other
community services.
With respect to Child, Youth and Family Services, the Department of Child, Youth
and Family Services is responsible for the planning and the development of
policies, standards and programs, as well as service delivery, to help ensure
the safety and well-being of children and youth in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The legislative framework which governs the provision of services for
children, youth and families in this Province includes: Children and Youth Care
and Protection Act, the Adoption Act, the Child Care Services Act, Youth
Criminal Justice Act, and the Young Persons Offences Act.
With respect to the Education department, Mr. Speaker, here is the mandate, the
objective, or the mission of that department, briefly.
The Department of Education is responsible for developing and
administering a provincial system of education which encourages all students to
achieve their maximum potential development.
It administers early learning opportunities for preschool children and
the primary, elementary, and secondary school system, with programs sufficiently
flexible to meet the individual needs and capabilities of all children.
Specialized educational programs are provided for disabled children who
are unable to benefit from regular classroom instruction.
The department is responsible for the provision of literacy, library, and
information services in the Province.
With respect to Justice, Mr. Speaker, the Department of Justice provides legal
services to government and is primarily responsible for the protection of
residents of the Province with respect to their persons and their property.
This objective is met by providing legal advice to all departments of
government; providing for police protection; the prosecution of accused persons;
the administration of the courts and operation of the Province's correctional
systems; services to victims of crime; protection of human rights; and Legal Aid
services. Drafting of legislation
for the House of Assembly by the Office of the Legislative Counsel is also
provided. In addition, the
department is responsible for the Fish and Wildlife Enforcement Division, the
Support Enforcement Program, the Family Justice Services Division, Fines
Administration, and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.
With respect to Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs, the Department of
Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs supports the financial stability and
viability of the municipalities and the efficient and effective delivery of
municipal services right across the Province.
It assists municipalities in meeting their infrastructure needs and
provides financial and administrative tools to support sound municipal
governance.
These goals are achieved through programs aimed at strengthening local
governance, providing operational support, administering grants and subsidies
for community infrastructure, and providing technical, financial, and land-use
planning and support for the development of municipal infrastructure.
The department leads the formulation of government's intergovernmental
policies and strategies, and monitors and co-ordinates interdepartmental
initiatives to ensure their consistent application.
The Fire and Emergency Services agency is responsible for co-ordinating
overall provincial efforts in areas of fire and emergency services.
Mr. Speaker, with respect to the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation,
in keeping with a social housing plan for Newfoundland and Labrador, the
strategic directions for Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation include
working with partners so that housing assistance is part of an integrated
approach to well-being and community building, allocating resources to assist
those with the greatest housing need, and providing housing assistance that is
responsive to client needs. In
response, Newfoundland and Labrador Housing goals and objectives for 2014-2015
address changing housing needs among low- and moderate-income households right
across the Province.
Mr. Speaker, that concludes the explanation of the mandate, the mission, or the
objective of each department. I
would just like to zero in on for a few moments I have left talking about
investments in child care under the Department of Child, Youth and Family
Services.
As you know, our government is certainly committed to enhancing the
accessibility, affordability, and the quality of regulated child care services
right across this great Province of ours.
Budget 2014 is no exception.
An additional $11.4 million was given to this department bringing the total
budget to approximately $42.5 million.
That budget is served to implement our 10-Year Child Care Strategy,
entitled: Caring for our Future: Provincial Strategy for Quality, Sufficient and
Affordable Child Care in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Mr. Speaker, there are seven key investments that are part of this strategy,
which I would like to outline very briefly and the monetary figure on each one.
Number one, Child Care Services Subsidy; there is $15.7 million to assist
eligible families with child care rates in a licensed child care centre or
regulated family care home through the Child Care Services Subsidy.
Number two, the operating grant program; there is $9.7 million to
implement a new voluntary operating grant program to provide funding to eligible
child care centres that set child care rates at the provincial subsidy rate and
meet program criteria.
Investment number three: Early Learning and Child Care Supplement; there is $6.1
million for qualified Level 1 early childhood educators working directly with
children in a homeroom to receive a total annual supplement of $6,660, and Level
2 program operators to receive a total annual supplement of $10,000.
Investment number four, Mr. Speaker, Child Care Capacity Initiative, which sees
$1.8 million to provide start-up grants for non-profit, community-based
organizations offering regulated child care services through the Child Care
Capacity Initiative. Investment
number five, Inclusion Supports Program; $1.8 million for the Inclusion Supports
Program to provide additional staff or funded spaces to accommodate all children
in regular child care programming.
Investment number six, Family Child Care Initiative; $1 million for the Family
Child Care Initiative that provides regulated child care spaces with an emphasis
on spaces for infants, as well as an opportunity for individuals to enter and
remain in the labour force, either by becoming a regulated family care provider
or by availing of the regulated family care spaces.
Investment number seven, Workplace Training Program; there is $500,000 set aside
to commence a Workplace Training Program that will include prior learning and
assessment and recognition to support early childhood educators upgrading their
qualifications.
Now, Mr. Speaker, in the remaining time I have left, I would just like to go
back and refer to the initiative number four, the Child Care Capacity
Initiative. I would like to thank
the former minister, by the way, the Minister of Child, Youth and Family
Services at the time, who came to Springdale about a couple of weeks ago, and
during his visit to the Training Wheels Family Resource Program in Springdale he
announced approximately $164,000 under this initiative to help strengthen child
care services in Green Bay South, Springdale area, Baie Verte, and west of the
Province in Lourdes. The Training
Wheels Family Resource Program will receive approximately $14,000 to further
explore child care opportunities, with the aim of creating new regulated child
care spaces in the area of Green Bay South and additional spaces in the Town of
Springdale.
I would also like to point out, Mr. Speaker, that the Baie Verte Peninsula
Family Resource Program received the bulk of that, the amount of $148,000
approximately, to support the expansion of the existing regulated child care
centre in Baie Verte to create an additional twenty-four school aged spaces.
That is great, Mr. Speaker, for that area.
I am sure they appreciate that.
In conclusion, to date, our provincial government has invested over $294,700 to
assist this particular facility, the Baie Verte Peninsula Family Resource
Program, with providing child care services in that particular community.
With that being said, Mr. Speaker, I will conclude my remarks at this time.
Thank you very much.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St. John's Centre.
MS ROGERS:
Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
I am very happy to stand and to speak at Concurrence.
I want to thank all the staff from the various departments who appeared
for Committee Estimates during social services.
It was a great experience.
It is always wonderful to meet staff who have worked so hard to make the
departments that they work in, work the way they should work, and also to see
staff who work so hard to serve the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
The wonderful thing is we have staff who have been at it for a long time and we
also have younger, newer staff as well.
It is great to see that mix and it is great to be able to hear some of
the successes but also while looking at Estimates and looking at budgets and
line by line items, to see some of the challenges that are faced.
The challenges that are faced by the staff who are working in the
departments and the challenges then that affect the daily lives of the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Our social services are all about meeting the needs of our people so that
everybody can thrive. Oftentimes,
the needs are great. Not
necessarily because of any deficiency on behalf of our people, but it is about
how we live as a society and it is about how we take care of one another.
It is about how we can all participate in our communities to the fullest
of our ability. Our social services
should not just be about emergencies and Band-Aids.
In fact, it is about how we honour each other.
It is about how we respect each other, and it is how we make sure that we
all have our basic needs met.
Justice is wrapped up in social services as well, Mr. Speaker.
It is about how we agree to share our fantastic wonderful Province with
one another and how we share our resources with one another.
It is about education and housing, the needs of our children present and
future, the needs of our seniors, the needs of those who are physically unwell,
and the needs of those who need jobs.
It is about all those wonderful things that make up a community, that
make up a thriving community, and that make up a community that is living in
prosperity.
One thing I would like to point out, Mr. Speaker, it is also about fairness.
In Newfoundland and Labrador, for the most part we are a people who are
fair. We are fair to one another.
We are a people who come from a tradition of sharing.
Whether it was in the fishery or in forestry, people helped build each
other's houses. People made sure
that everybody in the community had enough to eat, whether it is by sharing
fish, sharing moose, sharing a garden.
We took care of our elderly. We
took care of our sick. It is what
we do, and it is what a prosperous society does.
It may be a little more sophisticated, complicated, complex, and
formalized now, but it is basically about the way that we live together, the way
that we see our present, and it is a way that we look towards our future.
We are a have Province. Our current
Premier, in the previous Budget to this, talked about the golden age we are in,
so that we are again in a time of historic prosperity.
That prosperity is a result of our natural resources, whether it is
fishery or mining, forestry or oil.
It is also based on people's hard work, on people's labour, the sweat of
people's brow, and on people's expertise.
It is also based on not only the large multinational corporations that
come in and work with the Province to exploit our natural resources so that the
Province as well can make some profits, but that the Province also benefits from
that.
Are they benefiting the most? I am
not so sure. That is something that
needs to be debated as well. It is
also the small businesses because we know that small business is the backbone.
Mr. Speaker, the small businesses and economic diversity within regions
of the Province are the backbone of our economy and the backbone of our
prosperity. Because of our
prosperity and the fact that we are a have Province, there are many benefits of
that but there are also some very difficult challenges that many people
experience because of our prosperity.
There are negative effects for some people.
We do not all benefit the same way and that is probably not possible, but
some of us are harder hit. Some
people in the Province are harder hit by some of the negative effects of
prosperity. What we need to be able
to do in order to be fair – because that is what we want to do, that comes from
our cultural reality to be fair – is that we have to mitigate some of the
economic challenges that people are facing because of our prosperity.
We are a have Province. We are a
have Province with incredible potential.
The role of government is to make sure to maximize that potential so that
everybody can thrive, so that everybody can participate.
In this Budget, Mr. Speaker, I do believe there are some positive things
that will help people to fully participate in our communities and be able to
thrive; however, there are some big gaps as well.
One of the problems is we do not have in many areas – and I will get to that –
overarching strategies, overarching policies, but what we see more so is a piece
of this and a piece of that where people have to scramble then.
It could be different. We
are 500,000 people in a time of prosperity.
We can afford to be leaders in our social services.
I would like to talk about some of those, Mr. Speaker.
In the whole realm of social policy we could be leaders.
It is not about spending uncontrollably.
It is about wise investment; wise investment in our people.
Wise investment in our communities so that people can fully participate,
so that they can be making money, so that their families can be taken care of.
For those who cannot participate in that way, to make sure they have
security of person so that people can get on with their lives.
I would like to look at child care.
Child care is a great underpinning in foundation.
The government has said they have invested money in child care, but the
problem is we all know, particularly the people in Labrador who live adjacent to
Quebec, they see what happens with their Quebec neighbours.
They have child care, fully accessible early childhood development, and
fantastic learning opportunities for children for $7 to $8 a day for everyone.
Why can we not have that, Mr. Speaker?
I believe we can have that.
Studies have shown that yes, indeed, we can have that.
That is about investment.
Although the government is talking about the great amounts of money they are
putting into child care, it still leaves people scrambling.
It leaves people scrambling because young working families still have to
pay $800 to $1,000 a month per child.
It does not have to be that way.
Mr. Speaker, it is sort of like, if we decided in our roads and in our highways
that everybody was going to be given a little bit of money and they are
responsible for their piece of road that they got the money for, rather than
putting all our money together, like we do with roads, so that we can ensure we
have a viable, safe, and top of the line roadway system.
That is what we need to do with our child care.
It is in pieces. Rather than
having a full, universal, accessible child care program under our educational
system, we end up with pieces here and pieces there and people still scrambling.
I insist, Mr. Speaker, and I am sure everybody in this House does, that the face
of a prosperous, modern society is not one where people have to scramble to try
and get their needs met so that they can fully participate in the economy and
the well-being of their communities.
Housing is a huge issue, Mr. Speaker.
In this Budget, there has been very little set aside for housing that
takes us from the status quo. As a
matter of fact, we do not even have a status quo in housing.
What we have is we see we are losing; we are actually losing in our
housing issues. We are in a housing
crisis almost throughout the Province.
The mayors of towns and cities all over the Province are using the terminology
that we are in a housing crisis.
The housing crisis affects different people in different ways.
We can see people who have very complex needs, whether they have mental
health problems or addictions problems and may have to live on Income Support,
they cannot find adequate safe housing.
When we have seniors who are seeing their incomes, because of the
increases in the cost of living, diminish.
They are having a hard time with housing.
We see young working families who may have child care costs of $800 to $1,000
per child per month, plus student loan costs, plus maybe a car payment, and then
on top of that really expensive housing costs.
They are getting creamed, Mr. Speaker, because it is coming at them from
all areas.
The City of St. John's has developed a very interesting project.
They have taken some leadership in the whole area of housing.
They have started a housing program to help working families buy their
own homes. This is something that
this government promised in their Blue Book; they promised it.
We have not seen hide or tail of it in the last Budget or in this Budget
or in the Budget before, although they promised there would be a home ownership
program to help working families buy a home.
We all know how important it is to be able to buy a home.
It builds up family wealth.
It builds up equity for the family.
That is a really important thing because it stabilizes housing for working
families.
The City of St. John's has taken land that belongs to the city and they have
done a special tax incentive. They
have put out a Request for Proposals for developers to work with them, to have
the city work with them, developers to work with the city – so private
enterprise and the municipal government to work together to make it possible for
young families to buy houses. That
is leadership, Mr. Speaker.
One would hope that would have been in this Budget.
It is not. What the
government did is they have invested more money in the REEP, but in fact that is
not even the status quo. It brings
us up to what we were the year before last, not last year, because last year
they cut it in half. This money
does not even give us the status quo, because the money – everything costs more.
We are not even holding our ground, it is actually going backwards.
This government is losing ground in the area of housing.
There are a few more rent sups to help people who are really caught in the
crunch. A lot of single people in
major towns and cities in the Province cannot afford rent, they cannot afford
housing. They have over 30 per cent
of their income on shelter.
The City of St. John's – and I know of other municipalities as well in the
Province that are looking at similar programs where they are looking at the land
they have, they are looking at tax incentives, and they are trying to work with
private developers to build more affordable housing.
Why cannot this government do that?
We are in a time of prosperity, we can do it.
We are 500,000 people. We
have so many resources, and among the resources we have is land.
This government controls a lot of land that is underutilized that can be
used in projects like this.
I believe every member of this House wants to ensure that everybody in
Newfoundland and Labrador has a safe affordable roof over their heads.
Everybody in this Chamber wants that.
Why can't this government take that leadership?
I would hope this government is going to take that leadership.
I know they have hired somebody to do policy and research in housing, but
we have not seen anything reflected of that work in this Budget.
I would hope the Minister Responsible for Housing will seriously look at
that and take some leadership and take some risks.
My goodness, we can take risks. We
are in that time of prosperity, we have 500,000 people.
We can take risks. We can be
innovative, but we are not even being forward thinking.
In fact, what is happening is we are not even holding the status quo.
We are losing ground, particularly in the area of housing.
Part of housing also is energy efficiency.
Energy efficiency is not just about telling people not to use energy.
It is not about denying people.
It is about actually creating energy by not using so much.
It is actually producing energy for what we really do need to use it for.
Newfoundland and Labrador was the only Province that did not participate in the
energy efficiency study in the Atlantic energy project that involved the
Atlantic Provinces and New England.
It was an economic study.
Newfoundland and Labrador was the only Province that did not participate in
that. I think that is a shame.
I think we can be innovative. I
think we can be leaders in this area.
It is doable.
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians have always been innovative people.
We have always found ways to support ourselves.
We have always found ways to work well with the natural resources that we
have.
Vermont has a state energy company that is all about efficiency.
It has not produced any energy.
In fact, what it is doing with energy efficiency programs is reducing the
need and the use of electricity in residential homes and also in commercial
buildings. By cutting back on the
need, they are actually making more energy available.
Co-op housing, seniors housing, Aboriginal housing – because the federal
government is pulling back from housing, they still do not have a national
housing strategy, we are feeling those ill effects here in the Province.
The Province has to step up by pushing the federal government to have a
full-fledged national housing strategy and we need a provincial housing
strategy. We need the Province to
take that initiative and that leadership.
We are starting to lose some of our social housing.
We are seeing some of our social housing units disappear because of the
pull back from the federal government, and because some of the federal
government housing commitments to social housing have expired.
We see that some of our existing housing units are falling into disrepair
and are not being repaired.
In my District of St. John's Centre alone, in Buckmaster's Circle a number of
units have been torn down and there is no plan to replace them.
A number of units are boarded up.
We all see that. All of us
in this House in our own districts see houses that are boarded up that belong to
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing.
We are not even holding the status quo.
We are losing ground. Mr.
Speaker, that is not the face of a prosperous society.
We can do better. With our
prosperity and with a political will, we can do better.
I think an ideal step would be for this government to call an all-party
standing committee on the housing crisis where we can all look at it together,
where we can have experts present.
There are a lot of experts in the Province who are working on the issue of
housing and who are working on the whole issue of homelessness.
We can also call in experts from all over the country.
Mr. Speaker, that is what we need to be doing right now; we need to be not a
government and a people who are losing ground, but what we need to be is
leaders. We can take those risks.
We are at a time in our history with historic prosperity, with 500,000
people, with people who are willing to take risks.
We can do it. We can do
better. That is what we miss in
this Budget. That is what we have
uncovered in Concurrence, the line by line items.
Mr. Speaker, what we see are missed opportunities, which I think is a shame in
this day and age to have missed opportunities in these areas because there is so
much potential. Let us not rest on
missed opportunities but actually push to maximize our potential.
Mr. Speaker, I see my time is up. I
look forward to standing again and speaking on more issues for Concurrence.
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Bonavista South.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a pleasure to stand again in this House of Assembly to speak on
Concurrence and the Estimates Committee.
I was informed by participating in the Estimates Committees that I have
attended, Mr. Speaker. This was
also my third year participating in the Estimates Committees.
It is a great learning experience.
I paid close attention, listened, communicated, and got a better understanding
of how all the different departments function and the funding that goes into
each and every department that I participated in at the Estimates Committee.
It is all about the social services sector.
Those are the type of Committees that I participated in as a Member of
the House of Assembly, Committees such as: Education, Health and Community
Services, Justice, Municipal and Intergovernmental Affairs, the Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing Corporation, Child, Youth and Family Services, and the Labour
Relations Agency. All of those
departments and bodies of government are very important to all Newfoundlanders
and Labradorians, Mr. Speaker.
I listened attentively to the previous speaker from St. John's Centre.
I listened to some of the comments in relation to no leadership on this
side of the House. Since I have
been a Member of the House of Assembly representing the District of Bonavista
South I can say that I looked up to a number of strong leaders on this side of
the House in different ministerial departments of this great government, Mr.
Speaker. One in particular, the
Member for Gander –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
– was Responsible for Advanced Education and Skills, Responsible for Municipal
Affairs, and Responsible for Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Corporation.
I am going to touch on some of the commitments that this government
provided to people all across this Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Budget 2014.
I guess the people of the Province will decide who is telling the truth at the
end of the day, Mr. Speaker. The
people on this side of the House have nothing to hide.
We are transparent, we listen to the people, and we turn what the people
are saying into action. We have
proven that time over time over time.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
Our government supports the most vulnerable people in our society, Mr. Speaker;
$170 million for the Poverty Reduction Strategy, a total investment of $1
billion since 2006.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
This government supports – in light of what the Member for St. John's Centre had
to say – affordable housing. We are
addressing homelessness, Mr. Speaker.
I am going to identify areas to back up with facts what I am saying here
tonight. I did not intend to speak
on this specific issue, but I have no other choice but to stand in this House
and counteract what was said in this House tonight.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
If anyone wants to get up and rebut what I am saying, feel free to do so after,
Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing and this provincial government, Mr. Speaker,
will again partner with the Government of Canada to extend the investment in the
Affordable Housing Agreement for an unprecedented five years.
A $68 million agreement also extends to the Provincial Home Repair
Program and assesses 2,100 households with low incomes to repair their homes.
That is an unprecedented amount of help to the people of this Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador, the most vulnerable in some cases.
These are the facts. I am going to
keep rolling out the facts as I speak here tonight, Mr. Speaker; $12 million
over three years to extend the Residential Energy Efficiency Program to assist
up to 1,000 low-income homeowners per year to energy retrofit their homes.
That is an unprecedented number.
There is $1 million to increase the Rent Supplement Program, bringing the
current $8 million annual allocation to $9 million.
That is an increase of $1 million in that program.
We do not show any leadership on this side of the House?
I sat attentively for three years in this House of Assembly listening to
the negativity coming from the opposite side.
I feel tonight that I have an obligation on behalf of the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador to stand in this House and put the facts out there on
behalf of this government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
The government of the day is doing so much with programs and listening to what
the people are saying. We will
continue to listen to what the people are saying, Mr. Speaker.
Can we be everything to everyone? I
am going to be honest; no, we cannot.
We make decisions. We make
decisions based on what the people are telling us, based on community groups,
and based on community leaders. We
take what we are hearing and actually roll out in a fair, equitable manner, Mr.
Speaker. This is what this
government is doing on this side of the House.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
Five hundred thousand dollars in additional funding for the Supportive Living
Program, for a total annual investment of $5.3 million to address homelessness,
Mr. Speaker, in this Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
To say that we are not doing anything and we are not showing leadership on this
side of the House is somewhat shameful, Mr. Speaker.
It is shameful.
Nine million dollars over three years to extend the Home Modification Program –
AN HON. MEMBER:
How much?
MR. LITTLE:
Nine million dollars over three years to extend the Home Modification Program to
provide financial assistance to homeowners with disabilities or seniors with low
to moderate incomes who require accessibility changes to their residence.
Mr. Speaker, I know for a fact in my district, the beautiful historic District
of Bonavista South, there are people who actually applied for some of those
programs and are delighted that programs like those are initiated by the
Province, by this Government of Newfoundland and Labrador today.
We will continue to provide those programs, Mr. Speaker.
AN HON. MEMBER:
That we will.
MR. LITTLE:
We will. There is $100,000 for the
Newfoundland and Labrador Housing Community Centre Summer Employment Program.
Mr. Speaker, there are a wide variety of programs.
That is another great program that this government continues to roll out
and do on a regular basis.
We are looking at all areas of the Province.
This Province is a large geographical area, a Province with all kinds of
infrastructure, all kinds of hospitals, nursing homes, and roadwork.
We look at each and every area of the Province and on an equitable, fair
basis we roll out funding on an annual basis to the communities of Newfoundland
and Labrador. We will continue to
do that.
Supports for health and wellness, there is $6.7 million for the continuation of
the Adult Dental Program, which is very important to all of our people across
this wonderful Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, services from $150 and
sometimes up to $200 on an annual basis.
There is $700,000 to extend drug card coverage under the Prescription
Drug Program, from six months to one year for low-income residents when entering
the workforce, Mr. Speaker.
This government continues to support our children, our youth, and families, Mr.
Speaker, right across this great Province.
There is approximately $1.5 million for an additional twenty positions –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER (Littlejohn):
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Bonavista South.
MR. LITTLE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for protecting me and allowing me to speak with my
twenty minutes that I have. I will
continue on. Thank you very much,
Mr. Speaker.
There is approximately $1.5 million for an additional twenty new positions,
including social worker supervisors and social workers, to continue the
implementation of the department's organizational model for the Department of
Child, Youth and Family Services.
Mr. Speaker, Health and Community Services – as a Member of the House of
Assembly, I looked up to the previous Minister of Health and Community Services
who has done an outstanding job –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
– and many times I actually consulted, I got really good information and facts
from the minister that I could take back to my district and inform some of my
constituents. The previous, and I
am sure the new Minister of Health and Community Services is certainly going to
do an outstanding job as well because he is another great leader on this side of
the House.
When somebody criticizes and says there is no leadership on this side of the
House, I know the difference because I am sitting on this side of the House.
I know the programs. I know
how essential it is to continue to provide great programs for the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador.
What a great government to be part of, Mr. Speaker.
What a great learning experience for a new MHA to come into this House of
Assembly, to have the experience here sitting on this side of the House and
making some great decisions day after day in this great House of Assembly.
A $3 billion budget in health care for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians spread
out right across the large, vast, geographical area of this Province, Mr.
Speaker; a Province with a population of a little over 500,000 people and a
large, vast geographical area, the great Province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
We will continue to provide and invest to help ensure better health care, better
care and better value for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians in the future, Mr.
Speaker. We are listening to the
people of this great Province. We
are focusing on areas we know which mean the best and mean the most to people
and their families, their children, their grandparents, and so forth.
This is what a good government should do: listen to the people, continue to be
fair, roll out programs, and roll out the dough right across the Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador. That is
what we are doing, and we are going to continue to do that as leaders, as the
elected government right now. We
are going to continue to do that, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
Our investment in health care is significant, and we are going to spend
responsibly. There are times I sat
on this side of the House and I heard the Opposition say: spend, spend, and
spend. There are other times I am
hearing the Opposition say: cut, cut, cut, or balanced Budget, balanced deficit.
What do you want? We are
responsible as a government. We are
fiscally responsible and we are very fair to the people of Newfoundland and
Labrador. We will continue, as
leaders in this Province, to be fair to the people of this great Province of
Newfoundland and Labrador.
I can guarantee you that when I had discussions with the previous Minister of
Health and Community Services, with department officials, and with Eastern
Health on dialysis – and as the dialysis committee did, from the great Town of
Bonavista, came to St. John's, had an open dialogue and met with the minister on
a number of occasions, and $1.5 million was announced in Budget 2014 for a new
hemodialysis unit for Bonavista.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
Mr. Speaker, the people on the tip of the Bonavista Peninsula were delighted
with such a great announcement: an announcement that will certainly improve the
quality of health care, and improve the quality of life for the people who will
have to use dialysis in the future.
In addition to that, as we speak, in October there is going to be a new bungalow
style long-term care facility open in the Town of Bonavista, in the District of
Bonavista South.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. LITTLE:
What an accomplishment in such a short time, Mr. Speaker.
I am delighted to be part of this great government to know that this
government is rolling out the dough all over the Province, the wealth.
We are going to continue to do it.
As a government, we are going to continue to do that.
We are going to continue to be fair to the people of this Province.
We are going to do it all over the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador,
in each and every community.
AN HON. MEMBER:
Even the Opposition.
MR. LITTLE:
Even the Opposition, Mr. Speaker, in light of some comments that were made
earlier today in this House.
The provincial government is providing significant funding for long-term care
and community support services with an investment of $61 million in new funding
this year. This year a total of
$695 million will be invested for the provision of long-term care and community
support services.
Mr. Speaker, I can go on and on and on speaking on Health and Community
Services, but now I am going to shift.
I am going to take it to the Minister Responsible for Municipal and
Intergovernmental Affairs. A new
minister, a minister who is certainly doing a wonderful job on behalf of the
people of this great Province and how important it is to have a government that
is actually consulting, working with municipalities all over this great
Province, building bridges, roads, and water and sewer projects.
Quality water is a very important topic and will continue to be an
important topic in the future.
Fire and Emergency Services – municipal capital works projects are being rolled
out, Mr. Speaker, as we speak. I
know how important Municipal Capital Works Programs are for municipalities.
I served on a municipality for fourteen years and the cost-shared
agreements certainly helps municipalities survive in rural Newfoundland and
Labrador. It is a great initiative
by this government.
The Community Sector Council is a big part of what is happening in pilot
projects in different areas in the Province.
A large number of volunteers in my district are actually participating as
volunteers. I would like to commend
the great volunteers of this Province, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you very much for having the time to speak tonight.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St. John's North.
MR. KIRBY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is an honour and a privilege for me to have an opportunity to speak to the
Concurrence Motion on the social sector committee.
I attended the Education Estimates in that Committee.
It is all very well run, I thought.
There were some interesting questions and I will get to some of that.
I will primarily limit my remarks to the Department of Education, but I wanted
to relate something that happened last night that I think it is important.
Members talk about rolling out the dough, I thought he said; there is one
area at least I think a bit more dough could be rolled out in.
I got a message last night from one of my constituents whose mother was
in the Health Sciences Centre. She
went to the Health Sciences to emergency on Sunday afternoon and at some point
that night was wheeled up to a ward and was in the hallway of that ward without
a room, without the privacy that comes with that, in a hallway in the Health
Sciences from Sunday night up until sometime this afternoon.
I thank the Minister of Health and Community Services; I brought this to his
attention at my earliest opportunity and I am not sure what happened, but I know
that thank goodness she is finally in a room.
One thing I was surprised at: I was having some back and forth with
people on social media, on Twitter and Facebook, about this state of affairs
with health care and low and behold, so many people out there had comparable
experiences. They themselves, their
mother, their father, or one of their relatives also had the experience of
spending an extended period of time, a number of days, in the hallway of a
hospital in this Province waiting to get proper care.
I think it is an ultimate indignity, Mr. Speaker, when you are in pain and out
of your home, through no fault of your own, sick, to be in the hallway in a
hospital with very little privacy.
I was taken aback by that. Rather
than having that be the new normal, maybe we could roll out a bit of dough in
that area, I say to the Member for Bonavista South.
Now, on to Education – I will not name the school, but there was a school
council meeting here on the Northeast Avalon last night and it really goes right
back to what I was saying the last time I spoke to the Budget about the
overcrowding problem we have on the Northeast Avalon with our schools.
Whether it is Mount Pearl or Paradise, Goulds or St. John's, Portugal
Cove-St. Phillips or Torbay, CBS or what have you, we have significant
overcrowding problems in our schools.
I got a couple of e-mails from parents today – I know the Minister of Education
did as well – talking about one issue with respect to portables.
This school has been waiting for portables and it taken basically a year
to get portables in there. There is
going to be an additional portable added, but that portable, that modular
classroom, is going to have to go where the playground currently stands.
The playground is there through the hard work of the parents in that
community who raised $50,000 to have all of the landscaping done and the
playground equipment added there.
They are going to basically lose, or who knows, relocate – plans are not decided
yet – this $50,000 playground. Kids
may not even have a playground next year because there needs to be a modular.
It already goes back to the fact that the school is too small and there
has been nothing done to date and it is clearly going to take another number of
years before there is another school facility built to accommodate those
students. I think that is terrible.
To make matters worse, the government has now brought out an election promise
for full-day Kindergarten in this Budget, that it will at some point in future
introduce full-day Kindergarten; but in schools where there is overcrowding we
are hearing now that administrators of the schools are saying we are not going
to have full-day Kindergarten in this school because we just do not have any
room for it. They just do not have
any room for full-day Kindergarten in those schools.
It is all well and good to promise it, you are going to do it and all of that,
but where you have a situation where you have to get rid of the playground to
accommodate another modular – that is not going to come onsite for another year
because it took a year to get two modulars there this year – it just defies
reason, really.
That is going on out there while we are talking about making improvements and
government is making promises about new builds, new school facilities, and
full-day Kindergarten. Meanwhile,
we are getting pretty solid evidence and feedback from our communities telling
us that we have insufficient facilities and full-day Kindergarten is not going
to be a reality as soon as we think for some of these schools unless something
drastic happens, and I am not sure what that is.
I also wanted to talk a little bit about Mental Health Week.
Last week was Mental Health Week, and I took the opportunity to again
point out that parents, students, educators, school staff, administrators, have
been telling us that we have some critical mental health issues in our schools,
ones that need to be addressed.
In this year's pre-Budget consultations, the Newfoundland and Labrador
Federation of School Councils had made a couple of different recommendations
around that. The addition of youth
mental health and addictions counsellors was one suggestion, and the reduction
of the ratio for guidance counsellors.
That is, in part, to reflect the expanded role and responsibilities of
guidance counsellors in our schools.
We know from talking to teachers, from talking to guidance staff – I know there
was a meeting of guidance staff in St. John's this week talking about a number
of issues. There is professional
development going on, an in-service this week and next talking about the Safe
and Caring Schools Policy, the Department of Education's new assessment policies
and so on.
Those people are certainly well aware that we have increasingly seen students
suffering from mental health issues and illnesses in our schools.
That is becoming more and more prevalent for whatever reason.
Parents and students often do not know where to turn when it comes to
mental health issues in our schools.
Sometimes the support is simply not available.
Schools are facing an increase in students who are undergoing a variety of
different challenges and difficulties related to drug use and addictions, mental
health illnesses. It is often the
guidance counsellor to whom they turn for support.
Though government has talked about it for a number of years of reducing
the ratio for guidance staff from the current one guidance counsellor for every
500 students to something lower, nothing has really been done.
We have to realize that guidance counsellors are responsible for a variety of
different things: counselling, and dealing with scholarships with students.
We recognized students here in the House of Assembly this week for
significant achievements when it came to scholarships.
You can mark it in your book that the guidance staff had a lot to do with
those student's successes this year and in prior years.
That is the way it happens in schools.
Guidance counsellors are responsible for providing career guidance advice,
dealing with family living issues, overseeing student support services, a
variety of different student support services, doing crisis intervention and
completing comprehensive assessments for students with exceptionalities.
Some of those comprehensive assessments that need to be carried out can
take up to twenty hours to complete.
We know some schools have up to thirty or forty students wait-listed for
those sorts of comprehensive assessments.
If you do the math on that, that is a lot of hours.
Students often have to wait several days as a result of the backlog, the
bottleneck for assessment, especially when they do not indicate it is an
emergency or they have not disclosed that they are having some form of crisis or
emergency. So there is something
very wrong there and something needs to be done.
They did do something in the Province of Nova Scotia.
I know it is probably not perfect in that province either but they did
move last year to hire more guidance counsellors, along with more mental health
clinicians and more youth health centre coordinators in that Province.
They added about 25 per cent more guidance counsellors to their schools.
One of the problems we have in this Province, of course, is while we say we have
a 1 to 500 ratio of guidance staff to students, in fact, really what happens is
that in some areas guidance counsellors are assigned to a number of different
schools, that adds up to 500 and they are run ragged.
Students do not receive the same level of support as they would in a
school where there is one or so on.
Speaking of math; I wanted to raise an issue with respect to math because I say
if you do the math – and some people cannot do the math.
Unfortunately, many of our students find themselves in that situation.
I was really interested, when I was in the Education Estimates I asked
about the math curriculum because we hear a lot about it.
The former Minister of Education was asked about problems with our
mathematics curriculum last fall and he said math has always been an issue.
I suppose it has always been a subject as well, but the point is
mathematics, whether it is an issue or not, is something we have to address.
I inquired about this Western and Northern Canadian Protocol that we have, this
common curriculum framework for mathematics.
I inquired about its origins.
I said this is based on a curriculum document that dates back to 1996.
They said no, no, this is something we brought in, in 2006 or something
like that. I had to go back because
I thought I was wrong. In fact, the
math curriculum we have in our schools today is based on a curriculum document
that is almost twenty years old, and that is a fact.
I went back to try and find it, because the former Minister of Education said:
Well, they agree with us down at the university.
Well, they all do not because, of course, we know Dr. Sherry Mantyka and
the Department of Mathematics and Statistics has for years decried the situation
when it comes to math in our schools.
He said they agree with us.
So I went to see who exactly agrees or who does not agree.
I went and picked up an article in the
Educational Psychologist which is a fairly reputable educational journal.
A couple of things it said; it said that more or less based on an
evaluation of all of the studies of this particular mathematics curriculum,
which they call Discovery Math – rather than sort of drill math, learning
timetables or those sorts of things, rather than that sort of math they call it
Discovery Math. It is based on
problem solving.
I will just say one thing, if you have a reading problem, a reading disability,
if you have limitations when it comes to your literacy, and we know many of our
students do, it is going to be a difficult time for you to solve a word problem
if Discovery Math involves reading.
This is what this 2006 study said.
This came out around the same time that this Province decided to move forward
with this math curriculum. It said:
It appears that there is no body of research supporting it – supporting this
curriculum, that it is effective.
It says students enjoy it while they actually learn less from it.
That is our math.
I really think we need to have a review of our math curriculum that is being
done. It has been done in other
provinces, like Manitoba. There has
been quite an outcry in Alberta about it.
Quebec is doing something very different than us, something that is
worthy of looking at, because I am really coming to the same point that I came
to the last time I was up talking about other issues in our schools, and I
talked about other issues back then.
While we want our students to be the best, we want our students to be
first, we want them to score the highest; increasingly, we are not.
In some instances we are the worst.
In some instances we are last.
In some instances we are scoring the lowest.
We know our young people are more talented than that.
We know our teachers are more capable than that.
We know our education system can produce better results than that.
I know government often talks about graduation statistics.
There are all sorts of arguments that can be made about graduation
statistics. If you really wanted to
look for a good indicator of how we are doing, all we have to do is look at the
results of the Programme for International Assessment last year.
That is an international assessment test that students do –
fifteen-year-olds across the world in sixty-five countries.
It provides a detailed breakdown of results across all the Canadian
provinces and compares the performance of our fifteen-year-olds to students
across the country nationally, and across the Organisation for Economic
Co-operation and Development. Those
results showed that Newfoundland and Labrador's students' results on these
particular assessments continued to decline in key areas.
They consistently achieve lower than the Canadian average on mathematics,
on reading, and science.
I think one of the bigger problems that I did not talk about the last time in
addition to all of that is that the gap between the reading ability of boys who
are fifteen years old in this Province and girls who are fifteen years old in
Newfoundland and Labrador is the largest in the country.
Basically boys are scoring a lot lower than girls are.
The gap between boys and girls is far larger than any of the other
provinces, and also far larger than the Canadian average.
It is a significant issue. As I
said, literacy and reading ability is a precursor skill that enables students to
pick up other skills, I pointed out a minute ago mathematics, or a variety of
other areas as well. Let us not kid
ourselves; the skills that we expect our young people to have today to get a job
are far different than the previous generation.
Sometimes people think, well, you are a mechanic; that is not very sophisticated
when it comes to literacy and understanding of science, mathematics, and so on.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
You take your car to get it serviced these days, if you have a relatively
new model, and it is full of computers.
It is like a computer. It
takes an extremely high level of skill to perform maintenance on a new model
car.
If you go and pick up any textbook from our auto mechanics programs that are
offered at the College of the North Atlantic or private training institutions in
this Province, textbooks are about that thick.
It is very, very detailed information that requires high levels of
literacy and essential skills. If
you do not have those essential skills in mathematics and reading, if you do not
have mathematical literacy, if you do not have a decent reading ability and
literacy in other areas, computer literacy, well those young people are going to
have a very difficult time getting and keeping employment.
We know that stronger essential skills increase the likelihood of employment.
It obviously decreases the likelihood that somebody is going to draw
Employment Insurance benefits and that they are going to need to have Income
Support. It reduces the amount of
time they are unemployed. It
increases the range of occupations they are qualified and able to get.
That is extremely important because we know that young people today, the young
people who are in the class of 2014 who are graduating this year, will have more
jobs than any of the previous generations.
Their careers will involve a number of different jobs and increasing
their essential skills lifts their lifetime earnings.
MR. SPEAKER:
I remind the hon. member his time has expired.
MR. KIRBY:
There is a lot more to this, Mr. Speaker, but I appreciate your patience.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of Health and Community Services.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
This is an excited crowd here this evening.
For this hour in the night it is good to see that members still have lots
of energy and interest on the matters that are being debated here this evening.
I thank you for recognizing me this evening, Mr. Speaker, and giving me
an opportunity to present and to enter into this debate at this period of time.
I want to use my time this evening to talk about some of the initiatives in the
Department of Health and Community Services and also matters that relate to
aging and seniors. As you are
aware, Mr. Speaker, and also members of the House are aware, the Department of
Health and Community Services is a new department for me.
This is day thirteen, lucky number thirteen for me, being appointed on
May 1.
I can tell you it has been a significant piece of work over the last couple of
weeks. It has been a significant
learning curve to learn this new department.
It has been a very interesting process.
There are a lot of new topics that I have been informed of, a lot of new
topics that we have been discussing and things that I have not been involved
with before.
It is a very large department from the perspective of the level of
responsibility, being responsible for working with the four regional health
authorities and providing funding to the regional health authorities.
In fact, the budget for the Department of Health and Community Services
is about 40 per cent of the entire Budget of the Province being nearly $3
billion. Of course the far majority
of that is disbursed to our health authorities for the delivery of services
throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.
Our health services and care services throughout the Province are provided
through 179 health care centres, clinics, hospitals, and long-term care
facilities. When you think about
it, Mr. Speaker, for the population we have in Newfoundland and Labrador 179
centres, clinics, hospitals, and facilities around the Province, it is a pretty
significant number. I think if I do
my math really quick in my head that is about one facility for about 2,900 or
3,000 people in the Province.
We have made significant investments.
The Province has made significant investments in the last number of
years, in the last decade especially, in trying to increase the infrastructure
for the Province, in trying to make increases to and improvements to health care
infrastructure. There are many
facilities around the Province that have been aging and there are still
facilities around the Province that need work and need improvements.
We have plans underway and work underway for a number of facilities that
will see work coming up. We also
have work underway in facilities throughout the Province as well.
Those facilities just house and provide the location and the physical
structures for the work to be done.
Right now in Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker, we are very well staffed in
much of our health care facilities and services and the requirements throughout
the Province. We have 54 per cent
more registered nurses in Newfoundland and Labrador today than the average for a
Canadian, so for a population with 54 per cent more nurses in Newfoundland and
Labrador than the average for other jurisdictions throughout Canada, I think
that speaks volumes for the importance that we have put on those services.
It is challenging as a Province.
We have such a vast geography throughout our Province.
This affects many departments and operations of government, and not only
government but private business. It
also impacts individual citizens.
Having such a large land mass throughout the Province, it does create challenges
in many ways. Having the need for
providing more services in smaller areas quite often results in the need to have
a larger ratio of staff, and so we should.
When it comes to nursing, registered nurses, LPNs, nurse practitioners,
and also physicians we have more in the Province today than we have had ever in
our history. We have more dialysis
units and more dialysis sites in our Province than anywhere else in Canada per
population.
This year we have funding in our Budget, Mr. Speaker, to set up our sixteenth
dialysis site, to begin the work on the sixteenth dialysis site in Bonavista.
That has been a continuous piece of work year over year making
investments in dialysis to provide those services throughout the Province.
I have talked about this in the House before as I spoke and presented in
debate; I know first-hand sometimes the challenges that face members of the
population, men and women of Newfoundland and Labrador who have to require
dialysis services and have to undergo dialysis services.
My father was a dialysis patient for several years prior to his passing in 2007.
For almost five years he did dialysis, which is about 650 or so trips to
a dialysis unit. It was a fair bit
of work for him to get ready to go to the unit.
There was travel to the unit for him.
He lived in metropolitan St. John's area so he did not have the
challenges that many people face throughout Newfoundland and Labrador when they
have to travel long distances for dialysis services.
In some places you have to leave your home and relocate to other places
so that you can avail of those services.
I tell you I know first-hand, and I mean it very sincerely, that dialysis
services can be very demanding and very taxing not only on the patient, but also
on the families who support patients throughout the Province.
These investments in dialysis units – I do not think anyone would disagree; I
know members opposite are very supportive of the work that we have done in
improving dialysis services and making them more available throughout the
Province. I see acknowledgement
across the way as I am making these comments.
It is about quality of life and it is about providing those services to
the people the best way we can.
I am learning as well as I have been in this department, and again through my
own experience, it is not just a matter of taking a dialysis machine, set it up
in a location, turn it on, and away you go.
Very specialized care has to be taken.
There has to be the necessary resources in locations to provide those
services. You have to have the
qualified medical staff and team on site and available to oversee the operations
of dialysis units. You have to have
the right infrastructure as well, as I have said.
You also have to have the right technical people and the proper
background to ensure that the dialysis machines operate and function correctly,
that they operate the way they are supposed to operate, and are done in a way
that is safe for patients and for its operations.
Mr. Speaker, as well in recent years we have made significant investments in
lowering and decreasing wait times – wait times for a number of areas including
radiation therapy, bypass surgery, hip and knee replacement, and also cardiac
surgery. I mention those because we
are amongst the shortest wait times in Canada for those areas right now.
We know that hip and knee replacements are growing.
There is continuing to be a larger demand on hip and knee replacements,
bypass surgery, radiation therapy and cardiac surgeries, all very important to
people. The wait times on those, we
are in a better place than we have ever been before as a Province.
I want to mention Vicki Kaminski in all of this as well.
Ms Kaminski was the CEO and President of Eastern Health for the last five
years. She recently left
Newfoundland and Labrador to go to Alberta in a role she accepted out there.
It is very interesting to say, and I am glad to hear it, that she has
become so fond of Newfoundland and Labrador that her plan is to return here to
retire in a few years' times. In a
matter of three, four or five years, her plan is to come back to Newfoundland
and Labrador. I had a chance to
meet with her last Friday before she left.
I had a good discussion with her in the office about some of her
experiences here. I wished her all
the very best.
One of the things that she has talked about, and she has talked about this a
little bit in the days leading up to her departure, is about finding more
efficient and effective ways to do the business of health care.
It is not necessarily about throwing more money at items or at a matter
or at an issue, but finding better ways to manage those.
When we talk about the decreases in wait times, it is a good indication of some
of the areas that we have had good success with.
Working with the health authorities and people like Ms Kaminski, doing
important work in reducing wait times in emergency departments throughout the
Province, there has been some good work done as pilots and phase-in approaches
in some of the areas – in St. John's, there has been good work done on it as
well – to look for faster ways to reduce those wait times to deal with the less
serious and simpler matters in the most efficient matter possible, and also to
clear up the time of emergency room doctors, nurses, support staff, and other
medical services in those areas so that they can focus on the more serious and
more pressing matters. So it is a
piece of work that continues to be in evolution.
I have used this term and I talked about it when I was in Child, Youth and
Family Services; sometimes the only thing that stays the same is change.
We should never be afraid to look at how we have done things in the past,
to examine it to determine if there is a better way to do it in the future.
In health care and with our health authorities, those types of philosophies and
work have been underway. We have
seen the improvements of those and they are still underway, but we know we still
have work to do and we still have a ways to go to continue to make improvements
to the best of our abilities to ensure that the best services are being provided
to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
As well, Mr. Speaker, there are so many areas in Health that there is no way
that I can get to all of them in twenty minutes, but there are a number of them
that I want to speak on. Maybe, if
I get the chance, I will talk to a couple of them that members opposite have
brought up over the last couple of days.
One that is also very important and has been discussed a fair bit
throughout the population is matters relating to autism.
In this year's Budget, we added $2 million to increase the capacity for
autism assessments and to reduce the wait times for children with autism and
other developmental conditions.
That $2 million being spent this year will be annualized to $3.9 million in
2015-2016. This year we are adding
twenty-two positions to the regional health authorities and, in the following
years, it will be increased to thirty positions.
That includes the developmental pediatrician at the Janeway, a speech
language pathologist, and a new occupational therapist.
I know, as well as many of us do here in the House, the importance of having the
resources to reduce the wait times when it comes to autism as well.
Some would say – and I understand why they say this – that is not enough.
Twenty-two positions this year and thirty next year, a new developmental
pediatrician, a speech language pathologist, an occupational therapist, and $3.9
million annualized for autism is not enough.
We need to do more than that.
Mr. Speaker, look at it this way.
When you want to improve services, you want to add to services and you want to
increase the capacities of subject areas, it is difficult to go from here to
here overnight. It has to be a
curve. It has to be an opportunity
to develop growth. That is why,
with autism, you see $2 million this year and $3.9 million annualized.
We can add so much this year and then next year, we will add more, and in
a couple of years' time when this thirty positions are rolled out and included
for autism and for increased autism assessments and to reduce those wait times,
then we will be able to evaluate the progress we have made on that and the
impacts that we have had on that.
We did the same kind of thing with the dental program.
We know the dental program has received much interest by the public.
There has been a lot of discussion and debate.
When the dental program was introduced last year, there was a very strong
uptake on the dental program. It
rolled out throughout the Province.
There was a strong uptake on that – that was two years ago –and there was a fair
bit of debate here in the House when it came to dental programs.
Last year there was a maximum benefit of $150 annually set on that.
The program was rolled out; it was run.
It was well responded to by the general public.
This year we have increased that cap to $200.
That also goes a long ways.
It is a $6.7 million program, Mr. Speaker.
It goes a long way to help those people who require dental services for
adults. People in the industry who
I have talked to about this, I have talked to dentists and I have talked to
others in the industry about dental programs.
They will talk to you about when you have a consistent service year over
year, if people avail of the opportunities to visit a dentist this year to get
some work done, they go next year to get some more work done and so on, then in
two, three, four or five years, depending on your circumstances, your dental
health will be greatly improved.
Not only for an individual, but for all of the people who avail of the Adult
Dental Program.
Once you increase people's dental health, then the demand for service becomes
much less. We know that will be the
case. When people improve their
health overall, that applies to dental health as well, then the demand for
service and the need for more care will stabilize.
As I talked about, Mr. Speaker, we have done a significant amount in wait times
in dialysis; smoking cessation is another one; prescription drugs is a big area
this year that we are making investments in.
This year we have added $7.1 million to cover new drug therapies under
the Newfoundland and Labrador Prescription Drug Program.
These include drugs – the far majority of this is drugs to assist in the
treatment of cancers. This is
welcomed as well by the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
As evolving drug therapies become available, they go through testing processes
through the federal government, they become recognized as used for new drugs for
treatments or drugs that currently exist that are now being used for different
treatments. As those evolutions
take place, the demand for these types of drugs continue to grow.
We have added funding this year under
the NLPD, $7.1 million to expand drug therapies and available drug therapies.
The other one that has been important to people who have to travel for health
care quite often is what we refer to as MTAP, or the Medical Transportation
Assistance Program. I recently had
a chance to meet with the Avalon Dragons.
The Avalon Dragons is an organization that operates their boats from
Octagon Pond in my district, in Topsail district.
I know many of them now. I
have gotten to know many of them. I
met with the Avalon Dragons at their annual general meeting recently.
I went to their meeting about a month or so ago.
It was after the Budget. I
told them about some of the things we are doing in this year's Budget when it
came to the drug therapies I talked about.
I also talked about MTAP, Medical Transportation Assistance Program.
This one was particularly well received by this group of cancer survivors
because they know very well sometimes the challenges that face people when
having to travel for health care purposes.
When a person has to go through radiation, as an example, you may have to
travel to St. John's and stay here for an extended period of time.
Sometimes it can be several weeks at a time as you undergo radiation
therapy.
This year we have increased our spending on the Medical Transportation
Assistance Program. We provide
approximately $3 million per year for this program.
We have increased the monthly accommodation cap.
There used to be a cap on accommodations.
You could claim up to $1,500 and now we have doubled that to $3,000 this
year.
We have increased the rate of private vehicle usage.
If you have to travel in your own vehicle, the reimbursement rate for
private vehicle usage is going from sixteen cents per kilometre to twenty cents
per kilometre. We have increased
the reimbursement for a higher level of costing.
So at over $3,000, the reimbursement level is now at 75 per cent.
As well, we have decreased the vehicle threshold.
There was a threshold that you had to travel at least 2,500 kilometres a
year before you were eligible to make a claim under MTAP, under the Medical
Transportation Assistance Program.
That has been decreased to 1,500 kilometres a year.
I can tell you the response from these cancer survivors at the Avalon Dragons
was surprising. I knew they were
going to like it but that one in particular was of importance to them because
they understand and they know how important MTAP is to people who have to travel
the Province on a regular basis for health care, especially if you are going
through a health care crisis and you have to travel a lot in a short period of
time. This travel assistance
program goes a long way to help those who need to do that.
I want to get to long-term care for a couple of minutes and we are quickly
running out of time. We also have
planning money established this year for central medical dispatch service.
That is a very important one for ambulance operators and people who use
the services of ambulances throughout the Province.
That is going to go a long way to improve those services as well.
We have a planning block there as well.
We have had some discussion about long-term care in the last couple of days here
in the House. It has come up in
Question Period. The Leader of the
NDP has asked a couple of times, a couple of days now, questions about long-term
care. I just wanted to highlight –
because my time is quickly running out – that we have a number of projects
underway, Mr. Speaker, throughout Newfoundland and Labrador as well for
long-term care.
In St. John's we have a new 461 bed facility which will open later this year.
We have a new facility that is slated to be completed in 2015 in
Carbonear, that will have 228 new beds.
Labrador City will have eight additional beds added there in the fall of
2014. We are working on a long-term
care project for Happy Valley-Goose Bay that will add twenty beds for that area.
In Bonavista there is a new centre built.
There is one underway, a protective care unit in Clarenville, and work is
underway on that one. There is also
work underway for Corner Brook and Burin.
I mention these as well.
I know the member opposite has asked about wait times.
I have done some looking at wait times over the last five years, and I
can tell you, Mr. Speaker, that at this time now we are in very good shape.
We will be adding over 200 new long-term care beds by 2017 as the plans
progress that we have underway right now.
That is going to go a long ways to add to the quality of life for seniors
and those aging and in need of long-term care throughout Newfoundland and
Labrador.
I thank you, Mr. Speaker, for your time and members of the House.
I look forward to the opportunity to speak again.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The motion is that the report of the Social Services Committee be concurred in.
Is it the pleasure of this House to adopt the motion?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
On motion, Report of Social Services Estimates Committee, carried.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I would like to call from the Order Paper, further debate on
Concurrence Motion 2.(b) the Resource Committee.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Burgeo – La Poile.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, my light is on so I am going to start now in the hopes that I can
squeeze in a few extra comments prior to the time.
If anybody wants me to stop, that is
fine. They can start heckling me.
I have 1:55, so I am going to use my two minutes very carefully.
I spoke about health care before and I am going to speak about it again.
The Member for Bonavista South gave a very riveting speech tonight.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. A. PARSONS:
I will give him credit; he spoke very proudly about a lot of things.
One of the things he brought up was the dental plan, which I have to talk
about because I had the opportunity to do the Estimates on it.
The good news is they increased the cap from $150 to $200 this year, but they
did not increase the budget. There
are actually fewer people in the Province who are going to access that plan this
year – fewer people. I do not know
how that is a good thing to have less people availing of a service.
The second thing I want to talk about, it is something I have mentioned on a
number of occasions, and that is the fact that when it comes to the dental plan,
if you require dentures you can get the top half or the bottom half but not in
the same year. That was confirmed
right here in Estimates. I said,
what if experts or professionals tell you that it is smarter to get both at the
same time just due to the fact that over the passage of time your mouth actually
changes in size? He said that may
indeed be the case, however, the cap is $750 and that is all there is to it.
You get one half this year and you get one half next year.
I am talking about something that is well intentioned, but obviously is not
quite logical. Why wouldn't you let
them get the full advantage this year and not have anything next year?
Why don't you let them get the full set this year and not get anything
the second year? I do not know why
that could not be considered, but it was not.
I put it out there. I had
people telling me you are wrong, but it is the truth.
It was confirmed in Estimates.
That is all my time. I look forward
to some rebuttal on that, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Lake Melville.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. RUSSELL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is indeed an honour and a pleasure to get up in this House once again and
speak to the Budget, and at this point in time Concurrence and the Resource
Committee that we are all talking about here today.
First and foremost, Mr. Speaker, as I always do when I take my place here in the
House to speak, I want to say thank you to the people of the great District of
Lake Melville for their continued support and their faith in me to get the job
done and to get the message across to government in terms of what we need here.
I must say it is indeed an honour and a privilege to follow the member
from across the way for Burgeo – La Poile.
I will say to the member from across the way he is one of my favourite speakers
in the House, Mr. Speaker. I say
that not because I agree with anything he says, because nine times out of ten I
do not. The fact of the matter is
that he enlists such an emotional response from the people on this side of the
House and I hope those people at home too.
If you see me throw my head up to the ceiling up towards the sky here tonight,
Mr. Speaker, it is because I am believing in the speeches of the Member for
Burgeo – La Poile. The sky is
actually falling in the House of Assembly; it is coming in on top of us.
If you see anybody around me throwing their heads towards the sky, it is
because of the effectiveness of the former lawyer from Burgeo – La Poile.
I say that in a lighthearted fashion but, Mr. Speaker, I also want to get down
to the nitty-gritty here and talk about what is happening within these
Estimates. People understand that
the numbers for the Budget come out every year.
What they do is we give the people on the other side of the House ample
opportunity to have full access not only to the minister but to all those senior
officials, those decision makers, the ones who put the money into play, the ones
who put the money into action for the people of this great Province.
How it goes is we sit here and they get to ask questions about specific line
items. To all those people out
there watching tonight, a line item is nothing more than a number associated
with a category. It could be
salaries, it could be travel, or it could be anything like that within a
department. They have ample
opportunity to question the minister directly.
If the minister does not have the answer, it goes to a senior official.
If they do not have the answer, it will go to a more junior official and
up and up it goes.
Even when, Mr. Speaker, somebody might not have the answer to a very difficult
question – and some do come up – we will give that to the members from across
the way from time to time. Once in
a blue moon they do ask a question that cannot be answered, or request a bit of
information that is not displayed in the Estimates volumes that are provided to
them. The minister and their staff
will make sure that they get that information.
What does this all say to the people at home?
What this says is our government puts together a Budget, and this Budget
is a very good Budget. What it does
then is it is broken down by department; it is broken down in different
categories, the different departments within the department if you will, Mr.
Speaker, and what they do for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
They then have all the opportunity they want to talk about a single number, a
category of numbers, a group of numbers, and a function within government.
What we see is that sometimes they do not even use the time allotted.
That is fine; that is up to them.
The bottom line here is if they have exception with a number put forward
by this government in this Budget, they have more than enough time to raise
those questions and get answers to those questions.
In some cases, unfortunately, it becomes nothing more than a fishing expedition
where some members from across the way – and I will say it, Mr. Speaker - they
want to hear themselves talk. They
want to go on a fishing expedition to try and find questions maybe for Question
Period. They want to look for
things that are not there. We have
seen quite a lot of that in the last couple of weeks when it comes to things
like pavement, contracts, and whatnot.
The point is this: we are there, we are transparent, we are open, we are
accountable, and we are accessible.
Whether you are elected on this side of the House or that side of the House, the
people's representatives have the opportunity to come into government, take some
time to go through those numbers, and to dissect them.
They even get to bring in their staff, Mr. Speaker.
Their researchers, pouring their hearts into these numbers hour after hour after
hour to dissect them, to find a problem with what this government is doing, in
all the time I have spent in Estimates, Mr. Speaker, I have not seen it.
I have not seen something come out of Estimates that was so drastic that
it was on CBC. We might go out to a
sporting event - you will see that on CBC - but you will not see something come
out of Estimates.
I will say one thing about the Estimates process and the Resource Committee, Mr.
Speaker. I had the very distinct
honour of chairing for the very first time – I believe maybe even the first time
that a Labradorian has been in the seat chairing a meeting in the Resource
Committee - and that was for Innovation, Business and Rural Development.
It was a totally new perspective on the Estimates process.
You are watching it go back and forth.
You are making sure that everything is being followed, the time limits,
Mr. Speaker, going back, making sure that from the Liberals to the NDP everybody
has their fair share of time. It
was quite interesting. I was proud
to do it and proud to see it from a different perspective.
We hear it from time to time about people throwing out the spin, throwing
out the rhetoric and all that, but one thing is irrefutable and that is the
quality of the officials we have in our civil service.
It certainly cannot be refuted.
With that, I will talk about a few more specific things from the Resource
Committee if I may. Of course the
Resource Committee involves Advanced Education and Skills, Fisheries and
Aquaculture, Tourism, Culture and Recreation, Natural Resources, Agrifoods, IBRD
as I had said, and Environment and Conservation, Mr. Speaker.
Probably $1.8 billion I think was the total of those departments that
represent those that are investigated, those that are looked at, and those that
are scrutinized if you will inside the Resource Committee.
I would just like to touch on a few things that really mattered to me over the
last few days, starting with Advanced Education and Skills with a budget of
around $900 million in expenditures this year, Mr. Speaker.
It is a very, very large department, as noted by other colleagues in this
House.
I was here and I had the pleasure of sitting in this House of Assembly while we
had a delegation of students from Mealy Mountain Collegiate back home in Happy
Valley-Goose Bay. They were in here
checking out MUN, and checking out what the city has to offer.
When you look at Advanced Education and Skills – and how do I tie that
all together? It is very simple.
You talk about $14.7 million being allocated towards more or less giving
weeks of credit to our students who are in school right now – $14.7 million over
the next two years, $50 million over five years to eliminate student loans, Mr.
Speaker.
When we freeze tuition we start investing numbers such as $19 million, Mr.
Speaker, into upgrades to residences and into upgrades of the science
laboratories. Then we talk about
freezing tuition. Then we talk
about making sure that our kids, our young adults, will be able to focus on
getting that education without the overwhelming burden that always results from
four and sometimes, if you specialize, six and seven years in terms of getting
an education.
Mr. Speaker, that is leadership.
That is a focus on the next generation of leaders.
That is the focus on our greatest natural resource, which is our
children, Mr. Speaker, as plain and simple as that.
I am proud to be a part of a government that thinks that way.
I am proud to a part of a government that is going to say we recognize
who is coming up the line. We
recognize the value and the opportunities that are going to be extracted from
our resources. We recognize that
when it comes to those skilled positions – and here we come back tying it all
into Advanced Education and Skills.
We recognize that our children – and I have two of them myself, Mr. Speaker.
I am proud to say very bright kids.
They are going to be looking into the trades, going to be looking into
medicine, going to be looking into those verticals to make their way in life.
I am proud to say that we have laid the foundation for not only my children, but
all of the people in here that have children and everybody watching out there.
For the next generation of leaders, we have laid the foundation to give
them hope that they can begin to develop their careers and then start a good
life for themselves right here at home.
Contrary to what is being said across, the way the sky is not falling.
We are at a wonderful point in our history here in Newfoundland and
Labrador, and our kids are going to benefit from that.
Moving on, Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to say a few other things.
Inside the Resource Committee, we have Fisheries and Aquaculture, of
course, and we look at just some of the great things that we are doing.
I will throw out some numbers at you: $6 million to support aquaculture.
Up in Labrador, of course, we are not at the point where we would consider fish
farming, mussel farming, all of that stuff right now.
I will talk about the fishery just for a little bit, Mr. Speaker.
Growing up in Labrador was very different from Newfoundland.
As you move further up into the Torngat Mountains, you start to get into
places that actually land some crab, they do get some char up that way; but, for
the most part, we were expanding on our diet.
We were doing it to sustain ourselves.
It was a tradition among families to get out, get the fish, put your nets
out, go rod fishing – not so much for me; I am not so much an angler as a net
guy. I like to go after my salmon.
I like to go after my trout.
Mr. Speaker, I will say I do smoke a fine salmon and I do smoke a fine trout;
that is for sure.
What you will also see during our season up in Labrador is something I am very
proud of. It does not really
pertain to the Resource Committee, but I will say it anyway, Mr. Speaker.
What you see is when the boys come in, they have their fish tubs, they
have their coolers, whatever they may have, you will see them taking a part of
their catch and you will see them delivering it to the homes of elders who might
not have anybody around. Maybe they
are off taking opportunities somewhere else, maybe they just do not have anybody
to go out and get them a fresh meal, but that is the way we do it up in
Labrador, Mr. Speaker. We share and
share alike. We make sure that the
most vulnerable in our community – sometimes it is an elder, sometimes it is
low-income people, sometimes it is people who are physically challenged, but we
make sure we take care of our own.
What we do is just simply give a little bit of delight that comes from the sea
to our people, that comes out of our rivers, just to put a smile on their face.
It is not much, Mr. Speaker, but up in the Big Land, the people at home
who are watching at this hour will certainly understand what I am talking about
here.
Again, moving on, I would be remiss if I did not talk about the good work we do
in Tourism, Culture and Recreation, Mr. Speaker.
Some specific things I wanted to talk about – I tell you what, I cannot
speak enough about the past minister, very attentive, whatever I needed to talk
about, whenever I needed him, whenever we could get him up to Labrador, with
bells on he was ready to come up there; and not only just come up there for an
official event, but come up there, get out and talk to the people.
The former Parliamentary Secretary that we had over here and our new Minister of
Tourism, Culture and Recreation who has been up to the Big Land as well, the
same kind of guy; he wants to get out into the trenches, if you will, with the
people, and talk about what is going on, see what they want to see and get from
this government when it comes to tourism, recreation and all of that, and he is
going to help implement stuff like the Labrador Travel Subsidy, Mr. Speaker,
when you talk about our athletes.
It is no mystery. When you are from
the Big Land, it is a little more expensive to travel and get to the Island
portion of the Province. That
subsidy is there and in place to make sure those 1,500 athletes who might not
have the ability otherwise, might not get an opportunity to come here and face
greater, stiffer competition, get out to bigger tournaments, and get out to the
amenities that are in the big city.
That is a wonderful initiative and I tell you what, we make great use of that in
the Big Land. Time and time again
you see kids, Aboriginal kids too, who come from sometimes isolated and very
rural communities. We give them an
opportunity to see what is out there.
It starts expanding their minds, Mr. Speaker.
It lets them see well, what are all these buildings?
This is MUN; this is Memorial University of Newfoundland.
These are places that we put here for you to have opportunities to change
your life, to grow, to go further than you could have ever dreamed.
They come out here, they might have only come out to volleyball or soccer, or
hockey, whatever it happened to be, but when they see that it starts the
creative juices flowing. It lets
them know that there is hope, there is opportunity, and that there is more out
there than their little rural, isolated community.
That, Mr. Speaker, is invaluable and the subsidy is there to foster that
type of thinking and to give those kids the ability to be mobile when it comes
to their sporting life.
Mr. Speaker, while I am on the subject and I see my time is ticking away, twenty
minutes goes way too fast, but when we talk about Tourism, Culture and
Recreation, I have to talk about the $13 million by 2016 we are going to have
pumped into our ads. I will say
this: If you look at the economic indicators that tell the world how we are
doing and tell this country how we are doing, tell the provinces how we are
doing, where Newfoundland and Labrador sits in there, we are up at the top, no
sweat.
When it comes to these tourism ads, we are on the top of the mountain.
There are no comparisons out there.
You look at everything the other provinces have to offer – and good luck
to them, we wish them all the best.
Even some of us, we may go from province to province over time, but they just
cannot hold a candle to us. That is
just as simple as that.
I am very proud to say that we have done that.
I am very proud to be a part of a government that wants – and $66 million
might have been the expenditures of the department for this year, but it is a
billion-dollar industry and growing.
I am proud to be a part of a government that says we are going to share
what we have to offer, we are going to create jobs doing that, and we are going
to let people know just how proud we are of where we come from and our heritage.
We are going to let them see what we do by the sea, what we do in terms of our
development, and we are going to let them see just who we are as people.
That is the real value in who we are as Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
This is what we have to offer.
Our flare, our culture, our beauty, our music, Mr. Speaker, our art, and
let's not forget the grub because I think we are world class when it comes to
that too. You can tell by looking
at me I have enjoyed some of the Newfoundland and Labrador grub over the years.
Having said that, Mr. Speaker, going back to the Resource Committee – and I see
some of the boys over here laughing at me.
Yes, yes, I am a portly man.
That is because of the wonderful women in my life who we all celebrated this
past Mother's Day who always take care of me too.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. RUSSELL:
Happy belated Mother's Day to all the moms out there watching as well.
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR. RUSSELL:
Mr. Speaker, I am hearing some sharp criticism across the way too about some
Health and Community Services issues.
I will just say we have had a tough year in terms of my family and I will
not go into details. I will say
this, and please believe me when you hear it; we have spent some time in our
facilities due to some unforeseen circumstances in our families.
What have we seen, Mr. Speaker?
We have seen heart. We have
seen people who are going the extra mile, people believing what they do.
We have seen facilities, some aging that were due to be replaced, and some that
are top notch. We have spent a lot
of time in these waiting rooms. I
have seen our health staff. They
are busting their humps to push these people through to make sure they get to
see the people they need to see, that the lineups are small, and the wait times
are shorter.
It is one thing to criticize a government because they are saying we are
spending all over, Mr. Speaker. We
have heard things like we are being vindictive in our spending, which is just
‘bullpucky', and inflated numbers in our health areas, which is silly.
The real gems, aside from our announcements on equipment, expansion of
facilities, new facilities – I only have a couple of minutes left, but I could
seriously spend an hour just talking about our investment in long-term care and
all of those things, but the real value lies in our staff.
I would just like to thank them on behalf of myself and my family and all
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, because you see them there, you see some of
them off shift still trying to help people, trying to get out of the building,
Mr. Speaker. Those are the people
who are the foundation of everything that is Newfoundland and Labrador because
we respect each other and we care for each other, the same as this government.
It listens to and respects the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
We make those investments – and one of the members from across the way
representing the Liberals said something along the lines of we are just spending
the money – we are just spending the money.
Mr. Speaker, we are investing that money.
We are investing that money in our future.
We are investing that money in our people.
We are investing that money in the next generation: our kids.
You can spin it however you like – and this is all a game.
I tell you what, you can turn on the House of Assembly and whether it is
our side, their side, sure, of course we are all here, we are all politicians,
there is going to be a little bit of theatrics.
There is going to be a little bit of flare, but the bottom line here is
we have done right by the people of Newfoundland and Labrador in this Budget.
This is a good Budget, a solid Budget.
It can be criticized, picked apart.
I guess some of the flare, Mr. Speaker, from across the way – and I do like some
of those speakers over there. I
enjoy them. I am quite entertained
at times. It is in the way that
they minimalize the issues that are being talked about in the Budget, in
Estimates, and all of that by breaking it down and what they are going to do –
and I say this to the people out there watching – they are going to pull on your
heart strings. They are going to
isolate cases. Yes, it happens
everywhere; nothing is perfect. We
are not perfect over here, and they certainly are not perfect over there.
They are going to isolate individual cases; they are going to tug on those heart
strings. They are going to make you
think that we do not care and that we are not doing right by the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador. Mr.
Speaker, I tell you what we do over here, we take the money that we have – and
yes, it is a good time in our history right now – and we spread it out and we do
as much as we can with what we have.
We get the most bang for our buck.
We are looking at getting the maximum number of people engaged in how we
do things and the maximum number of people satisfied by what we do as a
government. Whether that comes in
the housing, health care, whether it is arts and recreation, whether it is
investing in our kids in our schools, we are doing a great job over here.
The sky is not falling; this is the best time simply it has ever been in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER (Wiseman):
The hon. the Member for St. John's East.
MR. MURPHY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It is a pleasure to rise this evening and talk on Concurrence, and carry on with
the debate. In this particular case
I would like to focus on natural resources; but, before I do, the member
opposite did talk about health care, the importance of natural resources when it
comes to the revenues coming to the Province.
This part I think I can relate to the last couple of days.
I would like to thank the members opposite, all the members of this
House, for their hopes and prayers as we are going through a bit of family
ongoing crisis, I guess, if you will.
My father himself was a prospector and we grew up pretty much with rocks in our
house, under our feet, in the family vehicles, and our lives were pretty much
centred around natural resources.
Myself, I gained a little bit of interest in natural resources, particularly
when it comes to the oil and gas field and through my consumer work and
everything. I feel a unique
attachment to natural resources, so I wanted to focus on all the natural
resources that we have in the Province here this evening.
It is not only just about rocks, Mr. Speaker, but it is all about forestry, it
is all about some of the farming industries that we have in this Province, and
it is about growing industries as well.
That is where I am going to come from this evening, with some
observations from reading the notes that our researchers took from listening in
during the Estimates for Natural Resources.
Some of the observations that we found, first and foremost is that the Natural
Resources budget – this was the one that really jumped out at us.
The Natural Resources budget for this year is about $646 million, but
Nalcor was getting $552 million. It
was a big, big chunk. Government
thinks, for their own good reasons, that this is an investment in the future,
and that remains to be questioned.
That is fair game. We tend to think
over here on this side that the $552 million for this year could be very well
spent in some other social sectors like for municipalities, on health care.
We know that we have an aging population; for example, I would like to
see the cap lifted for Lucentis coverage.
We are the only province with a cap.
A note to the Health Minister: I know that there is an ad hoc committee in place
now to look at that and to have that cap lifted, and hopefully we will hear from
him sooner rather than later on that.
We need to make sure that our seniors – and we are going to have a few.
According to the CNIB, there are about 20,000 people in Newfoundland and
Labrador at risk of macular degeneration that this drug can help them for.
We need to make sure that if we are going to be making revenues from our
natural resources that they can be directed in such areas, for example, like
Lucentis drug coverage for all seniors.
It is interesting to note that during Estimates sometimes, coming back to the
whole question of the monies that were going into Nalcor – the interesting part
about Estimates when you listen in is the simple fact that sometimes you spend
some time on line items like the $5,000 items or the $10,000 items, but we are
not so quite clear, if you will, on the spending of the money for Nalcor.
Again $552 million and you want to get more clarity as regards where we
are going with that and how much extra cost, for example, is being directed in
the Budget to cost overruns, that sort of thing, and you cannot get the clear
answers on that.
We need to establish that reality check if we are going to accurately discuss
Concurrence for the Resource Committee.
In the future, we are going to be asking more questions when it comes to
the Muskrat Falls Project. There is
no doubt that the government is going to have to come out with a lot more
answers than what they have been supplying so far.
Having said that, the Department of Natural Resources is a very large
department, it is wide ranging, a lot of fields as I already said.
These are some more of the observations.
When it comes to forest management, it is interesting to note that we heard in
Estimates as well I think it was that another company outside this Province by
the name of Rentech is looking at the resources of Holson Forest Products and
some of the former Abitibi assets.
We are hopeful that something can be done here.
We are hopeful that we will see a new industry bloom in this Province,
but we have heard very little from government on this issue so far.
It was last Wednesday representatives from Rentech were in St. Anthony on a
little fact-finding mission, doing a little bit of research.
They met with the port authority up there, Holson Forest Products, and
government consultants on the resources that are up there.
Like I said this is promising – this is very promising.
While this issue is a possible industry player starting operations in the
Province, the truth is that the forest industry has been struggling for some
time. I can recall, for example,
the former Minister of Natural Resources, in this case now the Premier, was
talking about the problems with the industry.
I would like to focus a little bit I guess when it comes to the forestry
aspect of it.
We know there has been some slight improvement in the forestry industry, just
watching the price of paper for example on the open markets.
Prices have climbed a little bit.
I will get back to that end of it when I get further down here.
Questions around the Abitibi mill - it sat idle for many years (inaudible) the
forestry assets of the Province expropriated.
The expropriation proved very costly for the people of the Province and
expenses keep mounting for that.
The latest being the admission by government that they will be taking down the
mill and the Province will foot the bill for the remediation.
This is part of something I have argued in this House before, when it comes to
environmental legacies if you will, when it comes to these being counted as
debts that the Province will have to be paying out money in the future.
I will also get into that again when it comes time.
You can very quickly relate this to environment and conservation on the
whole aspect of damages left behind by companies that have previously operated
in this Province or operating right now, that in some ways still are not going
to be responsible maybe, possibly, in the future for the mess they leave behind.
I talk about a future development when it comes to natural resources, for
example, of fracking. If a
moratorium in fracking is not held in this Province we are going to get very
quickly into things that we have never dealt with before when it comes to the
disposal, for example, of fracking fluids.
Right now the Nova Scotia government, just the disposal of water is being
held in one pond. I believe they
have budgeted something in the order of $4 million for the proper disposal of
it. If there is such a thing as a
proper disposal of fracking fluids.
That fracking fluid is held right now in a holding pond that is susceptible to
such elements, for example, as the weather or erosion or spillage.
It has a great potential to damage the greatest resource we have, next to
people, and that is our water. We
need to make sure the water resources of this Province are going to have more
protection than what they have right now.
That is a little bit when it comes to the connection between natural
resources and environment and conservation.
Environment and Conservation, to me, is the most underrated department of them
all because they have a connection with every other single department in the
Province. Not only does it go to
Finance but it is well connected with Municipal Affairs when it comes to the
water issue that we are handling.
When it comes to boil water orders, for example, but also when it comes to the
development of a natural resource, be it either natural gas or oil when it comes
to the fracking process.
In the meantime, if Rentech does not pan out – just to get back on topic here
again – then government and the people of the Province are back to square one on
the issues of sustainable management of our forests.
I guess there is a big message in that.
There are only so many things you can do with your forestry.
You can talk pulp and paper, you can talk wood products for building
homes, but in some ways – some people have told me it is kind of fairly limited
in its extent where you can go.
Again, not to detract from it, but I do believe there is some sort of future.
We believe there is some sort of future here in the forestry industry.
We want to wish government all the best when it comes to the development
of those other resources that would use our forestry.
In Estimates we learned – just to carry on with the forestry a bit – about
Corner Brook Pulp and Paper. We
note that government has $118 million set aside for Corner Brook Pulp and Paper.
I guess it is probably because of the slight improvement in paper prices
that they have not availed of that $118 million yet, even though the fund is
there.
One of these days, possibly they will draw from that.
For example, they may end up having to use that financial resource if the
price of paper ends up slipping again.
Right now, I think they are doing okay from what I am seeing with the
price of paper.
I am just wondering if they are going to draw from that financial resource.
I guess there is some way the Finance Minister or the Premier can
probably inform the House, or the Natural Resources Minister for that matter,
that when the time comes to probably inform us that they have indeed drawn from
that particular fund.
I want to move on to agrifoods development as well.
There was some good news there.
Although it is a movement across North America and although department
officials have indicated an increased interest from stakeholders on establishing
certified organic farms in Newfoundland and Labrador, this is an area government
should be assisting interested parties.
Certified organic food is becoming more and more important to the people of the
Province. Not only to the people of
the Province, but if we are talking our own domestic market that is great, but
we should also be talking about markets outside of Newfoundland and Labrador as
well. I have to note that the
minister was asked about this.
When it comes to food security, we learned in Estimates that the issue of food
security is being addressed.
Officials noted the Province is self-sufficient in dairy, eggs, and poultry.
It is not there in other industries, but officials did note the success
of cold weather northern strains of barley, and the potential for growing these
grains on the Avalon Peninsula.
I want to make a special note here too when it comes to growing, I will call
them non-traditional foods too at the same time.
I guess for some time the people of Newfoundland and Labrador – that only
as of late has it become really, really noticeable.
For example, you are seeing fields of corn that are being grown in the
Province now. We are talking
barley, we are talking some wheat.
Along with that also come industrial factors that come into play, too.
For example, pesticides.
I will bring up the topic of pesticides and the importance again here of the
Department of Environment and Conservation when it comes to the use of these
pesticides too, when it comes to fighting the various insects and diseases that
could end up ravaging crops. We
have to make sure we are going to be sticking straight to – how shall I put it –
a safety culture, if you will, when it comes to the use of pesticides.
I am pretty sure that if government was looking at certified organic foods as a
potential growth industry, this is one area where we can actually say we have a
hand up on this right now. We are
virtually untainted when it comes to these new crops, when it comes to the
various forms of chemicals that are out there that can be used on these
particular fields. I would exert
caution on the part of the department.
One of the more infamous chemicals right now being used on some farms is
atrazine which is pretty much wreaking havoc to natural water supplies in the
central United States and causing quite a problem when it comes to birth defects
and everything. I would point that
out to government. Stick with the
certified organics, develop that. I
think we have something to sell.
There are viable markets out there for it.
I want to wish them good luck with that, but I want to make sure too,
that Environment and Conservation knows as well about the danger of chemicals.
They are going to have to be strictly monitored in this Province.
I will not even get into the simple fact that if you want to develop other
farming industries – for example, like beekeeping industries in this Province.
We do not have neonicotinoids right now in this Province.
It should be a consideration on the part of this government to ban that
particular chemical, as it has been done in the European Union because it is
actually a bee killer. If we do not
have these bees protected, if we do not have the pollinators protected, we do
not have any crops at all. It is a
consideration on the part of government, probably Natural Resources and
Environment and Conservation, to probably get together and talk about
neonicotinoid chemicals in the industry.
I want to move on here because we are not just about farming in the traditional
sense but in natural resources, too.
One of the ventures they took up over the last couple of years is the
cranberry industry, which I think everybody thought was kind of interesting.
We did not picture ourselves in this Province, I do not think ten years
ago, as being cranberry producers, yet we are.
I know the government, for example, has been promoting this industry, and doing
a fairly good job with it, I have to say.
We are about halfway to the point now where we can actually say we can
get a little bit deeper into the industry, next to producing of raw product.
I guess the minister can probably correct me on this, but I think in
Estimates it came out the fact that we have about 250,000 hectares developed,
and you need about 500,000 in order to add more production.
AN HON. MEMBER:
No, more than that.
MR. MURPHY:
What is that?
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible).
MR. MURPHY:
Five hundred thousand. We are about
halfway there anyway when it comes to the amount of hectares that we have.
We are looking forward to hearing more positives coming out of this
industry.
MR. MURPHY:
Yes, 250,000 acres it is, sorry, the number they gave me.
Five hundred thousand acres is what you would need to cultivate to
support any form of secondary processing here in the Province.
Those are the numbers that we have.
It is something to shoot for, and something the government should be looking at,
in helping the industry grow here.
Like I said, the government wants to invest that money.
I think that we can get behind this.
I am going to probably say we have a fighting chance at this one; we
really do. We look forward to
hearing more news about it.
This is not going to be achieved unless government takes the recommendations of
the Auditor General, however, a little bit seriously and works to clean up the
act to get the proper paperwork in place and improve the oversight of the
industry. There are some inequities
there. Hopefully the minister is
looking after that end of it.
The opportunities are great here for the cranberry industry and, of course, for
the economy of Central Newfoundland.
Who knows, with global warming maybe they will be able to do something a
little bit further north. Some of
the farming initiatives that I would like to hear about; for example, up in
Labrador there used to be some vast greenhouse farming up north years ago.
Of course there are some small amounts of farming that are happening up
there now from what I hear. Perhaps
the minister might be able to look at some farming initiatives to be undertaken
up in Labrador as well. We do not
want to forget that very important part of the Province. I see that my time is
running out and I still have pages of stuff to talk about when it comes to
natural resources.
Another burgeoning industry is the sheep farming industry.
Right now there are about fifty-eight farmers who are currently in
production. The lambing industry is
strong, and government is assisting this growing industry through the Growing
Forward and the Agrifoods Assistance Programs.
It is great to hear because that number, fifty-eight farmers in the sheep
industry, I think that is up in the last couple of years.
More people are actually getting into farming.
We have to note as well that government in past years, of course, had the
initiatives where they were trying to get the youth interested in the farming
industries as well. Maybe that is a
little bit of proof here that maybe government's initiative is working.
We talked about animal health, I think, in Estimates as well.
The rollout of the government's new animal welfare act continues with
government providing training to municipal employees and various police forces.
We would certainly like to see this program expand, of course.
That would probably be something that would be done as well hand in hand
with Municipal Affairs. We look
forward to hearing about more municipalities that will be availing of that.
Let's get into the mineral resource management end of things and talk about
Hebron. With a lot of attention
focused on the Muskrat Falls hydro project, this project continues to develop,
albeit sometimes you do not hear a lot from Hebron; we hear a lot more about
Muskrat, more so than some of our offshore industries in the recent weeks and
months. Nalcor has a 4.9 per cent
equity stake in the Hebron oil deposit and therefore is on the hook for about
4.9 per cent of the cost of developing the project, including the construction
of a GBS at the Bull Arm site.
I also have to know and I will ask the question to the minister, because we are
a 4.9 per cent equity into it, of course, it remains to be seen when the project
is over with and when it is done are we also going to be responsible for 4.9 per
cent of the cleanup cost too, or the remediation, whatever is going to happen
offshore? We will have to see what
happens. It is a long ways down the
road, but it is a question well worth asking.
Officials noted that Nalcor's share of the expected $14 billion plus costs of
this project will be $360 million until first oil.
As the GBS is being developed, it is the time to address long-standing
concerns regarding environmental safety in the offshore and in providing safety,
and improving safety for workers flying offshore.
I said it the other day during my response to the Budget as well the
first time that I was up talking about the importance of the twenty-nine
recommendations under the Wells inquiry.
We are going further out. We
are going to deeper water. We are
going 400 kilometres outwards. As
one member across the way put it, we are going 1,100 metres down.
We are entering dangerous waters.
Not that the whole North Atlantic is not dangerous, but this is
unchartered territory.
We have to remember the Deepwater Horizon and, of course, Cougar Flight 491, the
loss of our personnel offshore with the Ocean Ranger as well.
We have deep concerns. We
will continue pressing those matters.
Mr. Speaker, I see that my time is up.
I have a lot more here I wanted to comment on: Old Harry, continue on
with the fracking moratorium, source water protection is a must, cleanup of the
(inaudible).
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The member's time has expired.
MR. MURPHY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
It certainly is a pleasure for me to rise and join my colleagues here in the
House of Assembly tonight and speak to the Concurrence debate for the Resource
Committee. The Estimates Committees
are very interesting, Mr. Speaker.
As my colleague from Baie Verte – Springdale likes to do, he actually sits on
the Estimates of all the sector committees, because they are so very
informative.
We really get down, I guess, into the weeds of what each department is doing and
where the dollars are being spent, Mr. Speaker.
In particular, for us in the Resource Committee, our focus was the
Department of Advanced Education and Skills, Environment and Conservation, the
Department of Fisheries and Aquaculture, Innovation, Business and Rural
Development, Natural Resources, and Tourism, Culture and Recreation
Mr. Speaker, for me and in my District of Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune, these
particular departments are very, very relevant.
Municipal Affairs, of course, is another one and certainly all of the
departments are very important to us.
In terms of the ministers who have a frequent lobby effort from me, many
of them are the heads of our resource departments.
Mr. Speaker, when I look to the expenditures of the Department of Fisheries and
Aquaculture I am so very proud of the investment our government, the PC
Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, is making in rural Newfoundland and
Labrador to grow an innovative industry –
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
–that will enable us to be leaders throughout the world, and enable us to
continue to have a fishery of the future that contributes significantly to the
entire economy of Newfoundland and Labrador.
As well, my colleague from Springdale – Baie Verte enjoys the benefits of
shellfish aquaculture in his region.
Fin fish aquaculture as well as shellfish aquaculture, are both very
important in the Coast of Bays.
Mr. Speaker, in terms of some of the investments that have been made by our
government over the years, we have invested very heavily in the infrastructure
that is required to support this sector, in particular wharves, the new fish
health facility, and hatcheries in the area.
We also have three processing plants.
I am very pleased to say tonight that the facility in Hermitage, a brand
new, state-of-the-art fish plant has been built and is opening its doors very
soon.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
We are going to see production renewed in the community of Hermitage.
I am so very pleased to see that.
As we move forward, Mr. Speaker, and continue to increase the volume of
production in the region, both plants in St. Alban's and Harbour Breton are very
high priorities. We anticipate that
all three facilities, as we continue to grow the industry, will be very viable
and providing an excellent food source not only to Newfoundland and Labrador,
but indeed to the entire world.
Innovation, Business – I am going to leave that one for next because there are
some things in particular I want to talk about there.
In the Department of Natural Resources, Mr. Speaker, one sector that is
very, very important to the people of Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune is that of
forestry. Throughout the centuries,
Bay d'Espoir itself was actually settled because of the forestry sector.
The outlying communities were the fishing areas, but of course a lot of
them being islands, there is not a large abundance of wood.
That was actually how Bay d'Espoir evolved.
Throughout the 1960s, Bowater was a major employer throughout the region.
In recent years the sector has had some challenges.
We are certainly looking forward to the continued developments of the
Department of Natural Resources and this government to see what can be done in
the forestry sector, and there are some very promising initiatives on the
horizon. As a result of these
initiatives, when they get developed, I certainly will be advocating for
resurgence and a re-emphasis on the forestry sector in my region.
We have, in particular, some silviculture workers, and the minister knows
I advocate very frequently on their behalf.
Certainly, as we see the forestry sector come back in Central
Newfoundland, we are going to see silviculture come back in the Coast of Bays
region, and that is something we are all committed to seeing happen.
Now I am going to move on to the Department of Innovation, Business and Rural
Development, which is very exciting for us.
It is a department that I worked with in my former life.
I worked with the community economic development, with the zonal board.
IBRD was one of the key departments that we dealt with, and it is
certainly such a pleasure for me now to be working very closely with many of
these people again. Just last week,
I started my new role as Parliamentary Secretary with the hon. Minister
Sullivan.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
I tell you, I am going to have a fantastic learning experience in this
department, and I have already enjoyed it very, very thoroughly.
I know it is going to continue to get better and better.
Last Friday, I had the pleasure of representing Minister Sullivan at a CME
workshop here in St. John's. It was
so refreshing to see the life, the energy, the innovation, the intelligence in
that room. Things are happening in
Newfoundland and Labrador, Mr. Speaker.
We are a global leaders because of the work that is happening right here
in this Province, with the support of this government through the Department of
Innovation, Business and Rural Development.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
I have to say, Mr. Speaker, that I was actually a little shocked and appalled
when I read the paper today and I heard the radio clippings today talking about
Newfoundland and Labrador as being at its worst, last, and lowest.
I was shocked. Never before
have I ever heard such negativity.
It is hard to believe – and I am going to produce the facts on that, Mr.
Speaker.
I am going back again to the CME conference just to talk about how Canada, how
the international community looks at Newfoundland and Labrador today under
Progressive Conservative leadership.
I received an e-mail from the keynote on Friday.
This is what he had to say: What I saw yesterday is what makes Canadians
and other provinces take notice of the leadership you are nurturing by
supporting, coaching, and showing people what can be done.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
I came away feeling that you have the right grasp on innovation in focusing on
the foundations of innovation by supporting process innovation, such as what we
saw this Friday.
Mr. Speaker, that is just a small example of what Canadians and the
international community are saying about Newfoundland and Labrador under the
leadership of this government.
I have to say, there was one thing, though, that I did like about the Leader of
the Opposition's speech. It was
great to see that all of the Tories in his fold are calling the shots over
there, because he clearly stated a Conservative policy, right of centre.
He wants deficit reduction, Mr. Speaker, a Conservative policy out of the
four of the Liberal platform. It
was very interesting to see.
From what I read in the paper, he spewed a number of economic indicators that
show us – and I cannot believe it, appalling – worst, last, lowest.
I never hear tell of it since the 1990s, Mr. Speaker.
There has not been that kind of talk about this Province since the
Liberal government was in power.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
That is not what the Conference Board of Canada is saying at all, Mr. Speaker.
I would like to know where these economic indicators came from.
I am not sure if they came out of a Smarties box, but the economic
indicators, as produced by the Department of Finance of this government – and I
tell you, I have full confidence in the people of our Department of Finance,
every which way, and I will take their numbers over what was spewed last night
any day.
Let's talk about the facts. We have
seen significant growth in our Province since 2003 and the change has been
remarkable. From 2003 to 2013,
capital investment increased by 232.1 per cent.
Last year alone, capital investment totalled $12.3 billion, mainly
associated with major projects: Hebron, Muskrat Falls, and the Vale nickel
processing facility. In practical
terms, this means that companies are investing money in projects, which then
result in increased employment for the people of the Province – increased
employment.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS PERRY:
We will get to talking about the employment that you criticized shortly, Mr.
Speaker. I have a little stat on it
here and then we will go into some more.
Employment has increased by 9.9 per cent.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
He said last night, Mr. Speaker, mislead the people, saying the lowest
employment when, in fact, the highest it has ever been, increased by 9.9 per
cent in the last decade under the leadership of this government.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
Employment reached record levels last year, and the unemployment rate declined
to the lowest rate since 1973.
These are the facts, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
More people are working in our Province than ever before, and the increase in
employment is leading to higher wages.
Average weekly earnings in the Province, Mr. Speaker, in 2013 were higher than
most provinces in all of Canada, estimated at $951 behind only Alberta.
I have said this in the House before: Whoever would have thought that
Newfoundland and Labrador would have the second-highest wages in the country
second only to Alberta? Wow, what
leadership is that?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
From 2003 to 2013 average weekly earnings, Mr. Speaker, increased by 48.6 per
cent. Combine these factors with
the unprecedented reductions in income tax by our government which has put over
$500 million back into the pockets of Newfoundlanders and Labradorians – $500
million of taxpayers' dollars back into the pockets of Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
I have to wonder, I am thinking, every day they stand up they ask for this, they
ask for that, we are going to do this, we are going to do that.
I would like to know how they are going to do it.
That $500 million that is in the taxpayers' pockets, Mr. Speaker, they
are looking for that. They are
looking to take that back. I have
every confidence that is part of their plan.
From 2003 to 2013, disposable income per capita increased by 75.8 per cent.
That is more money the people have to spend on goods and services, which
results in an increase in retail sales and consumer spending in general.
From 2003 to 2013, retail sales grew by 48.6 per cent.
Our Province was second among provinces last year in retail sales growth, again
second place in the country. What
was it: worst, last, lowest? We are
second place in the country for retail sales growth last year and for the last
ten years. Retail sales were driven
by new car sales which were the highest number ever recorded in the Province,
Mr. Speaker.
Let us talk about a few more of those factual economic indicators; real GDP
growth of 0.5 per cent in 2013 in Newfoundland and Labrador.
We are strongest among provinces in all of Canada for economic growth at
5.9 per cent, the leader in the country, the top in the country.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS PERRY:
Employment growth of 0.3 per cent with average employment of 233,500 people.
In 2013, average employment in the Province was 232,800 people – a record
high. So again, Mr. Speaker, the
truth is - what was last year? It
was the highest employment ever seen in Newfoundland and Labrador.
These are the facts.
Mr. Speaker, we have a stable unemployment rate at 11.4 per cent.
In 2013 it was, as I said earlier, the lowest it has been since 1973,
forty years –
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible) population now, talk about that.
MS PERRY:
The population is increasing as well, Mr. Speaker.
Now, household income growth of 3.4 per cent; household income growth to $22.8
billion; disposable income growth of 3.5 per cent; retail sales again of 3.6 per
cent; capital investment growth of 2.4 per cent.
The value of mineral shipments is anticipated to increase about 2 per
cent to $3.8 billion on the strength of higher iron ore production – and here it
is: The Province's population is expected to be stable in 2014 at – listen to
this – 526,700 people.
Find me a stat in the 1990s that said we had 526,000 people.
You will not find it; it is not there.
That was the era of the brain drain.
That was the era of the higher taxes.
That was the era of the Liberal Administration.
That was the era of the low confidence in Newfoundland and Labrador.
That was the era when investors were not interested in looking at us, Mr.
Speaker.
I am running out of time, but I still have a few minutes left.
Another comment that was made last night: The PC government squandered
$18.9 billion. What did we squander
it on is what I would like to know: schools, roads, diabetes pumps for children?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Burgeo – La Poile, on a point of order.
MR. A. PARSONS:
(Inaudible).
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
There is no point of order.
MS PERRY:
Let's get back to talking again.
Are they saying that we squandered money by investing in diabetes pumps for
children, Mr. Speaker, and then extending that to the age of twenty-five?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
MS PERRY:
Can you believe that, Mr. Speaker?
I do not call that squandering; I call that an investment in our people, the
people who we care about.
We also expanded drug coverage.
There are a lot more drugs now on our drug program than there was when we came
into office in 2003. Through
initiatives like the Generic Drug Pricing Policy, we are putting more money back
into the people's pockets and more drugs under our drug coverage program.
We are helping the people of the Province who need it most.
What other kinds of things are we doing?
The Residential Energy Efficiency Program, is that squandering?
What about the Medical Transportation Assistance Program?
I can certainly attest, Mr. Speaker, that makes a huge difference to the
people of my district.
If we have to travel to St. John's for radiation services, for any kind of
specialist treatment, we have to drive 567 kilometres and that is just one way.
It takes us two days to make the trip and that is just driving in and
driving out. We have to eat on the
way in and on the way out. We have
to have somewhere to stay on the way in and on the way out.
Every trip to St. John's for a person who has a medical illness is costing them
about $1,000. Let me tell you, the
Medical Transportation Assistance Program is really making a difference.
It is helping minimize the stress that people who are facing illnesses
really do not need. I do not call
that squandering, Mr. Speaker. I
call that an investment in the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
That leads me back to how will they deliver on all the promises that they get up
here and make on a daily basis?
What are they going to do? What are
they going to cut? Are they going
to cut these initiatives that we have implemented or are they going to raise
taxes? I wonder, Mr. Speaker, what
is their plan? Hopefully they will
come clean about the details before too long.
One of the things that perturbed me that I heard was talking about centres of
excellence. What does that mean for
rural remote communities like mine?
We want health care to improve, Mr. Speaker.
We want our clinics to improve.
We do not want to have to drive hundreds of kilometres to a centre of
excellence; we want to receive that health treatment in our communities.
That is what this government is pushing for.
That is what this government supports.
I tell you, Mr. Speaker, I am very worried about what would happen to this
Province if a Liberal government were ever to come back into power.
I am very confident it will be a long time before that happens because
people are not fooled by spin and people are not fooled by misleading
information. People see the results
of what is happening in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Young people are deciding to stay in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The international community and the national community do have confidence
in the people of Newfoundland and Labrador and the leadership of Newfoundland
and Labrador. We, Mr. Speaker, are
going to work very hard to make sure that this growth continues and continues to
get even better.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for the District of St. Barbe.
MR. J. BENNETT:
Mr. Speaker, thank you for this opportunity.
I would like to make a public service announcement first: Cape St. George
has gotten rid of the sperm whale.
I notify the member.
In any event, tonight I would like to speak about issues that we find in
corrections in the Province.
Corrections, I suppose, in a way, means that you got it wrong so you have to go
back and learn it over. It does not
apply to members of the House of Assembly.
Although, in some cases, I am sure that it might as well.
It applies to people who are convicted, people who have broken the law,
and people who run afoul of the law.
Primarily, the ones that I am speaking about tonight are people who end
up serving time, with time incarcerated, jail time.
Depending on the person's point of view as to how they view crime and
punishment, you have to decide: What is the penalty for being found guilty of a
criminal offence? In progressive
systems, people believe that it is the loss of a person's freedom, public
disapproval, that is it. It is the
loss of a person's freedom and public disapproval, so they are locked up.
They lose their mobility, their freedom to move, to come and go.
Mr. Speaker, it does not mean that they have to be incarcerated in really
horrific conditions. It does not
mean that they have to be incarcerated in conditions whereby if a person kept
their dog they would probably run afoul of the SPCA, maybe other regulations.
Mr. Speaker, I had occasion in the last month or so – and for that, I am really
indebted to the officers and the staff at Her Majesty's Penitentiary for giving
me a half a day of their time in order to tour Her Majesty's Penitentiary.
I am also indebted to the staff of the South West Detention Centre which
is in Windsor, Ontario, which is the most modern prison in Canada.
It is set to receive its first inmates a week from today.
The two types of systems are like day and night.
Although I have to acknowledge, after viewing our penitentiary, Her
Majesty's Penitentiary here in St. John's, the staff were superb.
They absolutely showed me around from entry to exit, from administration
from the old basement – where maybe one of these days there will be a museum –
to the special handling unit and the hole which is next door, right alongside of
it, through the kitchen command centre, all of it.
Also, on viewing all of this, I was asked by one of the staff members: What do
you think of the penitentiary? I
said: Actually, I have seen a few worse ones.
There are worse penitentiaries than this one in Canada.
His response was: Well, I guess that is really too bad because we thought
we were about the worst. I said:
Well, no, actually the staff are doing a very good job with the facility they
have but the facility, the main part was built in the 1850s.
The 1850s was a little while ago, and fortunately this government has
announced that they intend to build a penitentiary.
That can only be seen as a good thing in this Province.
Hopefully, with the RFP which has gone out – and I understand a few dollars have
been allocated in this year's Budget for Requests for Proposals.
To go back to what size, what style, and what location we would have, the
South West Detention Centre was eight years in planning before they did any
building. After eight years in
planning they were able to build in relatively short order because they were
able to bring in modular cells from Texas.
In Texas they put a lot of people in jail.
In Texas they know to build jails.
They build concrete modular units and they come in on train or
tractor-trailer and are assembled on site.
They look like any other jail except maybe a little more modern.
Some areas where we could improve relatively quickly in this Province, one is
that we could, and in my view should, go to a uniform dress code.
We should have a standard uniform for inmates in Her Majesty's
Penitentiary. The reason for that
is twofold. Right now people bring
clothing, send clothing, or wear clothing into the penitentiary and it is used
as a way to hide contraband, to hide drugs.
Around the city there are people who are good enough at tailoring that they can
sew pills into clothing. So
clothing can go into the Pen, clothing can then be ripped and the pills can be
taken out and there is contraband inside.
It is pretty easy in the seam of a pair of jeans to sew in all kinds of
pills. That problem would not
happen if we went to a standard uniform.
The standard uniform cost really is only minimal – very, very minimal.
In the South West Detention Centre, which has both a male and a female unit and
around 300 inmates, they have orange overalls for men and they have –
AN HON. MEMBER:
I mean that is (inaudible).
MR. J. BENNETT:
I see, Mr. Speaker, that the former prison guard from the other side is
commenting on it. The former prison
guard from across the way is commenting.
It is clear that she has not actually kept up to speed on current prison
policy, if she ever was current on prison policy.
In any event, standard uniforms are commonplace in modern contemporary prisons
and the cost is relatively minimal.
The women's uniform proposed for the South West Detention Centre is basically
track pants and a sweater. There is
a uniform set of clothing.
Another reason the people at the prison would like to see uniforms is that right
now if somebody comes into the penitentiary wearing an item of clothing, if they
do not happen to be the biggest or the strongest or the meanest on the range,
the bully on the range, the big guy, the heavy is probably going to beat them up
and take their clothing. It could
be a $200 jacket. The person with
the muscle on the range is going to take away that person's clothing.
As part of the policy now, it means that the staff in the penitentiary has to
institute an investigation. An
inmate complains that somebody stole my runners, someone stole my jacket which I
came in here with, and the Province is responsible to reimburse that person for
that clothing. It makes no sense to
me whatsoever that we would permit people to wear street clothing inside prison
for which the taxpayers are responsible.
The inmate may very well sell it for contraband inside and then institute
an investigation. At taxpayers'
expense, there must be an investigation carried out as to what happened to this
person's clothing. Then the
taxpayers have to pay to replace the clothing.
How can that possibly make any sense?
We have provided a conduit for contraband to come into the prison and we
have provided another source for conflict inside the prison.
All of this could be solved by having a uniform dress code which would be
supplied by our system. There is a
whole range of prison attire available.
A uniform means the same, and clearly it should be the same.
Another area where, on relatively short notice, prison life would be somewhat
calmer is if the Minister of Justice would direct the Director of Public
Prosecutions to review the use of intermittent sentences.
Intermittent sentences are often called weekends.
They are not necessarily weekends but that is usually when they are
served, but not always.
The benefit of an intermittent sentence is if somebody is working or somebody is
attending school and they have a relatively short stretch to serve, if the judge
recommends it and the prison is able to facilitate, then the person is permitted
to do their thirty days or sixty days or whatever on weekends or during the
middle of the week. At this point
in many institutions we have let intermittent sentences become the automatic
instead of becoming something that needs to be justified.
The problem with intermittent sentences, when you do not have a facility that
completely segregates the people who are doing intermittent sentences from all
of the other inmates is that the people who are coming into the system on
weekends bring contraband. If they
do not bring contraband than quite frequently they are beaten up.
They are assaulted when they come inside.
So the next weekend when they come back they will bring contraband, and
that contraband will be stashed inside their body.
They will either consume it or they will put it in Kinder eggs.
They will stuff it inside themselves and then they will go inside.
This is the system we are permitting to happen by not paying proper
attention.
The direction can easily come from the Minister of Justice that for short
intermittent sentences, they are useful but it should be proven that an inmate
really needs an intermittent sentence, and would benefit from an intermittent
sentence. Some of the intermittent
sentences we are seeing now in this Province have people going in to serve their
weekend on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Wednesday, Thursday.
The two days are being served in many cases during the course of the
week.
The person on the inside who is the heavy in that particular range can tell the
one on the outside, who was busted for whatever, we need you to come in on these
two days. We need you to come in on
these two days and you have a steady flow of contraband and a steady extra work
effort for the penitentiary staff which is completely unnecessary.
These are a couple of areas, even before we get a new penitentiary, we
could consider.
When we look at the penitentiary, the one that the provincial government has
proposed to build, the first focus really ought to be on whose workplace is it?
Who works at the penitentiary?
Clearly, staff work at the penitentiary.
The corrections officers work at the penitentiary.
This is their workplace. Is
it suitable for somebody to be in basically solitary confinement, has a job for
twelve hours at a stretch without a window, sitting there watching inmates, and
this is the staff. This person did
not do anything. This person is
doing twelve hours on and twelve hours off, literally, of solitary confinement
because they cannot go anywhere.
Hopefully, we will build a penitentiary and improve the quality of life and the
job satisfaction for the people who are working in the penitentiary.
Something else that we really ought to seriously consider and do when we build a
penitentiary in this Province is that we ought to have a penitentiary that
utilizes direct supervision instead of indirect supervision.
Direct supervision probably is something that you would not instinctually
think would be the right way to go.
It means that the corrections officer is actually sitting in a room with people
who are doing their time instead of having all of the individuals locked up in
cells and have closed-circuit television.
The Principles for Direct Supervision are that it provides more effective
control and that it provides more effective supervision.
It generates a need for competent staff who are more interactive, and
staff who are going to be able to deal with inmates more easily on a one-on-one
rather than simply locking them up.
It has been shown that jails with direct supervision have a higher level of
safety for both staff and inmates.
It is manageable and it is more cost effective.
The staffing costs across the board on direct supervision jails are less
than indirect supervision jails. In
fact, not only would we be more modern and have a better system, it would cost
less.
The inmates in the direct supervision setting, if they do not play by the rules,
if they do not follow along like they ought to follow along, then they go to
indirect and they get locked up.
Whereas if the people who are there doing their short stretches – and we know
that in provincial time we are looking at anything under two years.
Although the provincial government, in our penitentiary, we house a
significant number of federal inmates as well.
Mr. Speaker, there is a resolution that was passed by the American Jail
Association. It says:
“WHEREAS, it has been shown that direct supervision jails offer a safe
environment for inmates and staff, and
“WHEREAS, direct supervision jails allow for a proactive rather than a reactive
approach to inmate management, and
“WHEREAS, direct supervision jails are generally economical to build and to
operate, and
WHEREAS, direct supervision is defined as a method of inmate management, which
ensures continuing direct contact between inmates and staff by posting an
officer(s) inside each housing unit, and further a housing unit contains
sleeping areas, dayroom space, all necessary personal hygiene fixtures, and
sufficient tables and seats to accommodate unit capacity; and
“WHEREAS, direct supervision jails are managed in accordance with the Principles
of Direct Supervision (attached);
“THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the American Jail Association” – Americans have
one of the largest prison populations in the world – “support the concept of
direct supervision in planning, designing, constructing, and managing jails.”
The purpose of personal supervision in a direct supervision setting is to see,
hear, and to sense the moods of prisoners; to anticipate danger; to provide
humanness instead of the cold eye of the TV camera; and to be able to react
quickly and efficiently.
Now, Mr. Speaker, in direct supervision there is better inmate control because
the officers control the areas external to housing.
So, if you have a range, as we have a number of ranges in Her Majesty's
Penitentiary, and we have all of the cells around the range, then whoever
happens to be the heavy on the range is going to run that range and that person
is going to really rule the roost.
Well if, in fact, it is direct supervision, then the corrections officer who is
inside, in the appropriate setting – and I would encourage members to google the
direct supervision versus indirect supervision and have a look at the types of
facilities that are being built in the twenty-first century, given that our
prison is 160 or 170 years old. You
have to see the difference. You
have to see what is happening today.
Otherwise, you are sort of trying to compare a horse and buggy to a
spaceship, not even another type of vehicle.
In direct supervision settings, the officers control the areas external to the
housing, whereas the inmates control their own personal areas.
The inmates control the action in the jail, that is in a traditional
jail, whereas in direct supervision the inmates who challenge the officer's
authority are immediately disciplined and generally disciplined by being sent to
a separate setting or potentially even segregation.
The prison that I viewed a month or so ago, it includes an infirmary.
It includes an eight-bed infirmary so if there are inmates who are sick
then they do their time in the infirmary, which is part of the prison.
The alternative for the prison staff would be to send the person to
hospital. To send the person to
hospital means that you need, in their system, two corrections officers plus a
driver. That takes three people out
the system immediately to take a person to hospital who is a sick inmate.
The driver comes back, then you have two corrections officers who are
full-time engaged to guard somebody who is sick and is in hospital, when it
would make more sense to have the person in the infirmary inside the prison.
It is a very simple setting.
It is a very simple concept. It is
very humane.
There is also a mental health section.
The mental health section is approximately twice as large.
Many inmates are serving time, and they may well be criminally
responsible – it is not to say that they are not criminally responsible, they do
not need to be hospitalized, but they have mental health issues.
Just because they are inmates does not mean that they do not have mental
health issues ranging from maybe a bipolar condition, to schizophrenia, to
depression. They have a whole range
of mental health issues and to put them in the general population is really
unfair to them. To put them in
segregation is really unfair to them because they have not been a disciplinary
issue. So one of the ways that the
South West Detention Centre have coped with, and continues to cope with,
mentally ill inmates is that there is a mental health wing contained in the
prison.
So I would urge the Attorney General on building – even calling for the plans
for a new prison, to look at and incorporate all of the possible aspects that we
would have in contemporary, twenty-first century prison.
I think ultimately the cost might be less in the long term and our
society would be much better served.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER (Verge):
The hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O'BRIEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I am glad to stand in my place in this House and talk to the
Budget, the great Budget of 2014. I
listened carefully in regard to debate here tonight and I was quite interested
to see one of my colleagues across the House stand with great pride to tell my
other colleague on this side of the House that the population of Newfoundland
and Labrador was 589,000 people back in 1992.
AN HON. MEMBER:
It was 580,000.
MR. O'BRIEN:
It was 580,000. That is fine enough
in regard to the correction on the numbers, but the point that I will make, Mr.
Speaker, is that was in 1992. It
was a Liberal government and they drove just about 80,000 people out of the
Province between 1980 and 1990, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O'BRIEN:
That is exactly what happened. As a
matter of fact, I will also say, Mr. Speaker, that I ran in 1999.
I ran in 1999 –
MR. A. PARSONS:
A point of order, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Burgeo – La Poile on a point of order.
MR. A. PARSONS:
I believe it was a Conservative government in Ottawa that accomplished that
goal, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
There is no point of order.
The hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.
MR. O'BRIEN:
The truth hurts, I can tell you that, Mr. Speaker.
I can see you nodding, Mr. Speaker, because I know you are agreeing with
me for sure. I can guarantee you
that.
I remember back in 1999, and I ran in 1999, I remember a front page picture in
the
Gander Beacon.
It was down Byrd Avenue, Mr. Speaker, and all you could see were signs.
They were all blue signs, Mr. Speaker, but they were not all mine because
the caption read: Who will win, O'Brien or the real estate people?
Because everybody was moving out of Gander.
The attitude in town was the last person left, turn the lights out.
That is how bad it was in Newfoundland and Labrador at that particular
time. There were no jobs, there was
no hope, and there was no confidence in the people of the Province.
One thing that I will take credit for – and I will retire someday but not
someday soon, I can guarantee you that, I can tell the hon. members, because I
am not going to retire any time soon.
One thing that I will take and take to the grave, that when we took
government in 2003, one of the first things we did was instill hope in the
people of the Province and then we instilled confidence, Mr. Speaker, in the
people of the Province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. O'BRIEN:
That is why we are leading the country in just about every economic indicator
that is out there. We turned this
Province around, Mr. Speaker. Now,
they do not like to remember that.
They do not like to think the people of the Province are doing much better than
what they were back in 2003 when there was not any hope, there was not any
confidence, and there was not any economy really.
I will be quite honest with you, I say to the hon. members in this House, there
was not very much of an economy. If
anybody would think back to 2003, and before 2003, there was not much I will
guarantee you that. As a matter of
fact, I was in business here. I
call tell you that right now, and it was a struggle.
It was a struggle going into the banks.
It was a struggle trying to convince them to give you the money in order
to fulfill the needs of your business, I can say to the hon. members of this
House. I went through all of that,
Mr. Speaker.
Now, Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition might not be able to remember
that because he was with a chain.
He did not have to go into the bank and negotiate his lines of credit and all
that kind of stuff because that was all done for him, Mr. Speaker.
That was all done from head office.
I did all of that on my own, Mr. Speaker, and it was a struggle.
I can speak from the truth in regard to what I had to do.
We look at our Province now, Mr. Speaker, as compared to what it was in 2003,
look at the people of the Province.
My colleague from Fortune Bay – Cape La Hune mentioned that the average salaries
in Newfoundland and Labrador, both individual and for families has doubled in
this Province. That is because of a
number of things, and I am not going to say.
I see the members of the NDP looking at me.
I know full well that everybody is not doing well in Newfoundland and
Labrador, absolutely not. That is
the reason my department has taken such a focus in regard to the vulnerable
people and the most vulnerable people in our Province.
That is the reason we brought forward the 5 per cent increase in basic
rate for individuals who are stuck there on Income Support.
As well, we brought forward programs that would enable them to come off Income
Support. We encourage them to
pursue their dreams and pursue the opportunities in Newfoundland and Labrador.
As well, I have often stood up in my place in this House and said
absolutely. Over the last eleven
years have we done everything right?
Absolutely not. We are all
human beings in this House and all human beings are subject to making mistakes,
but always admit your mistake, move on, correct it and see can you do it better.
The mentorship program we had in regard to our older tradespeople, it did not
work. We brought it in, it had good
intentions, but it just did not work.
So we are going to re-evaluate that, move it forward, and make it work
the next time around. That is the
reason why we are an absolutely fabulous government in regard to meeting the
needs of the Province and meeting the needs of the people.
We create the opportunities.
I will go back to the 1990s again, Mr. Speaker, when we had the vision in our
government to realize that yes, we had to maximize the benefits for our Province
and the people of the Province in regard to our resources.
The first thing we did, we renegotiated our deals in the offshore.
We have super royalties. We
are getting more revenues now than ever in our history.
As well, we have renegotiated the Vale deal.
We have accomplished great things there in regard to increasing those
revenue sources and base revenues coming into our Province.
As well, through Innovation and Business we have invested in a lot of
Newfoundland and Labrador companies and encourage companies to come to
Newfoundland and Labrador and do business.
We have done all of that.
I am going to go back to the 1990s as well because I think it was the early
1990s, or it was the late 1980s – as a matter of fact, I had a little bit of
hope in regard to a Crown corporation of government at the time called
Enterprise Newfoundland and Labrador.
The bottom line of it is Enterprise Newfoundland and Labrador failed.
It absolutely failed, but I had some hope in regard to that particular
Crown corporation at the time. I
was a businessperson and I was quite interested in it, regardless of who was in
government at the time, because the people of that era were trying to do their
best for the Province but the point of what I making is, is that it absolutely
failed.
Nobody can deny where we came from and where we are today in regard to a lot of
factors in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Then to hear people say: You have not done anything, you failed at
everything. Well, I would like to
remind the hon. members across the House that things fail.
They fail for a multitude of reasons because of the factors and the
challenges that particular initiative might have experienced in that time and
that place, Mr. Speaker.
In this government, over the last ten or eleven years, we have absolutely
succeeded in a lot of areas. Yes,
we have made major investments and sometimes we look at the investments that we
are making. One comes to mind in
regard to health care with over a $3 billion budget; wise investments and that
kind of stuff.
Are we meeting all of the needs of the people of the Province, individuals of
the Province on an individual basis?
Absolutely not. I would not
get up in my place in this House and ever say we are meeting all the needs of
every person in this Province because nobody ever will be able to do that, Mr.
Speaker. That is not logical and
that is not reality.
We are investing, and we are investing in important programs right across
government. One of the areas I take
great pride in is the division of Persons with Disabilities in my department,
Mr. Speaker. I realize the
challenges they have on a daily basis.
As a matter of fact, I served a lot of people with disabilities over my
thirty-odd year career that I had in pharmacy, Mr. Speaker.
We endeavour to invest in those people, in their lives and trying to make it
better, trying to make them be able to have meaningful lives, Mr. Speaker.
We have invested in various ways, not only just in accessibility in
regard to vehicles, buildings, ramps, and all that kind of stuff, but also in
regard to enabling them to take a rightful part in the economy in Newfoundland
and Labrador. We have programs
within our labour market, training programs that support, particularly, people
with disabilities, Mr. Speaker.
I listened intently last night as a member from across the House talked about
our Inclusion Strategy, Mr. Speaker, which has had a significant impact on
people who require those investments to be included in our society; I absolutely
did. He talked about accessibility.
I want to remind the hon. member when he spoke it was just as if we have
never, ever taken into account the need for fully accessible units and
accessibility in general for people who are more challenged than ourselves, for
various reasons.
I want to tell him that in the Newfoundland and Labrador Housing portfolio we
have eighty-one fully accessible units.
As well, we have built, since 2006, I believe, another 223.
That gives us over 300 fully accessible units in Newfoundland and
Labrador to meet their needs. As
well, Mr. Speaker, I think we have about eleven applications across the Province
for fully accessible units. That is
really not bad.
Would I like to have eleven more fully accessible units to meet those needs?
Absolutely, I would. I
cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat; nor can my staff over at Newfoundland and
Labrador Housing pull a rabbit out of a hat overnight and come up with eleven
units. Do we endeavour to do so and
try to renovate or whatever we can do and partner with the industry out there to
avail of those units? Absolutely,
as a matter of fact, under the $68 million that was mentioned earlier by my
colleague from Bonavista South, he mentioned the $68 million in regard to the
Affordable Housing Initiative in partnership with the federal government.
All of those units that we are going to develop over the next two or
three years under that program, most of them are going to be fully accessible as
well; and those are the kinds of investments that we have made over the last
number of years.
Sometimes I roam in the House when other people are speaking.
I will sit in the back row and I will just listen to what is being said
in the House. I find it quite
interesting, actually, in regard to that because each person has a different
view of the world, a sometimes clouded view in my opinion, but sometimes a very
clear view in regard to where we need to go as a Province.
I think and I firmly believe that we are on the right path for
Newfoundland and Labrador on a go-forward basis.
I absolutely believe that in my heart.
I know that it has been a challenge getting from point A to point B, from
bankruptcy in 2003. One of the hon.
members across the way was here at that particular time when the Premier of the
day addressed the Province. A very
serious night it was. I remember
that broadcast. I remember being an
MHA at the time, newly elected, and not in Cabinet.
I tell you right now, I questioned that night why I had put my hand up in
regard to wanting to be an MHA for the District of Gander and being a part of
government. We had daunting times
ahead of us.
There was a lot of work done in those first numbers of years, in 2003 in regard
to trying to get a handle on exactly where you were and where you needed to go,
and come up with a strategy in regard to where you wanted to go and keep to that
strategy. That is the key.
It is not to put the strategy up there on the shelf, and it is not to veer off
that strategy. Once you veer off
that strategy you are absolutely done.
You have to keep to that strategy, to the cores of that strategy.
That is what keeps you focused in regard to where you need to go.
That is what we did, Mr. Speaker.
We mapped out that strategy back then and we kept on that strategy.
We kept investing and we kept investing in Newfoundland and Labrador.
As a matter of fact, I think as a government sometimes we worked hard and
we might get blamed for being tired or whatever, but that is part of being a
human being. I tell you one thing
that we have never, ever, ever lost over here on this side of the House, and
that is our hope and our confidence in the people of this Province, Mr. Speaker.
We never will; absolutely we never will.
Has it all been about us?
Absolutely not, Mr. Speaker. In my
former role as the Minister of Municipal Affairs, as the current Minister of
Municipal Affairs, we were all over the Province.
I was all over the Province, and he is all over the Province in various
communities across this Province making wise investments in infrastructure,
trying to support those people and those councils who are trying to do the best
they can for the people who live in their communities.
That is exactly what he is doing right now, regardless of political stripe,
regardless of anything. That is
what he is all about; that is what that department is all about.
It is meeting the needs of the people of the Province, making sure that
they have clean water in their taps, and making sure that he addresses the waste
water issues in those particular communities.
I also say, is he going to be able to accomplish all of that overnight?
He is absolutely not. Are we
making wise investments and are we making progress?
Absolutely; and we have been making progress since back in about 2005
when we started investing wisely in infrastructure.
As I have said in this House in the past, Mr. Speaker, any economist anywhere in
the world will tell you that the wisest investment you would ever make is in
infrastructure. Why?
It is because you believe in the future; that is the reason why.
You believe in the future and it is all about the future.
That is what those investments are about.
We have invested as well, Mr. Speaker, in talking about our future.
I am looking at two here tonight in regard to our Pages.
We have invested more importantly in the future of our Province and our
students. We have made it clear to
them that they are important to the future of the Province.
We really believe that we need them to be able to go and pursue their
dreams, take the opportunities, and seize the opportunities in Newfoundland and
Labrador.
We need to have them as debt free as we possibly can where they can avail of
that opportunity. We do not want
them dragged down by debt and trying to struggle their way through in regard to
the life that they are trying to lead.
We want them to have meaningful families, Mr. Speaker, and being able to
support families and stay right here in this Province of Newfoundland and
Labrador. That is what we need.
I am going to wind down now, Mr. Speaker, but I think I have made my points here
tonight. I am going back to those
numbers in regard to the population of Newfoundland and Labrador.
There is an obvious reason why 80,000 people left Newfoundland and
Labrador, and that is because of poor management.
Because regardless of the number that you have, regardless of the
revenues that you have, you have to manage it, you have to be able to spend it
in the right way, and you would not find yourselves in bankruptcy like we found
ourselves in 2003.
It is not about the money; it is about the management.
It is about the fiscal management, Mr. Speaker.
I will take my seat in the House now because I think I have made my
points. I think the other side has
gone quiet because they just got a taste of reality, Mr. Speaker.
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
The time for speaking to the Concurrence Motion for the Resource Committee has
expired.
The motion is that the report of the Resource Committee be concurred in.
Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time I would like to call from the Order Paper, Order 9, second reading
of a bill, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act, Bill 16.
MR. SPEAKER:
Second reading of Bill 16 to continue.
The hon. the Member for St. Barbe.
MR. J. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I have no hesitation to support this bill.
This bill makes sense. This
bill is a mechanism to recover by way of converting a loan from a grant that was
either too high or the person failed to qualify because they may have
understated their financial capability.
They may have dropped out.
In fact, the grant should be provided for people in order for them to further
their education. Not just for them
to apply for a grant and not make the best use of their money.
If the taxpayers of the Province have a piece of legislation such as
this, that grant would then be converted into a loan which is repayable back to
the provincial Treasury and then it would be used for another student on a good
faith basis, then I certainly have no opposition to supporting it.
In one way that this Province is doing well, and has been doing well for a
number of years, is in post-secondary education and attracting students from
other jurisdictions because of the favourable financial package that lets
somebody come to this Province.
On my last flight in here just a little while ago, I sat with a young fellow who
is from another province. He came
here to go to school, to go to university.
In fact, graduated, found work here, and decided to stay and live.
That is the kind of people we want to come here.
We want lots of different types of people to come here, but young,
energetic, bright people to come and contribute to our Province is a wonderful
thing. If we use the student aid
package and attractive tuition rates at Memorial University, and for other
post-secondary institutions to do that, then I think we do a good job for our
Province.
One concern though, a caution I have is I am really concerned that in the
regular education system, the regular education system keeps falling behind,
falling behind and falling behind.
Over the last three sets of PISA scores it is quite apparent that our students
have been sliding in their ability to compete in numeracy, literacy, and
science.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I would ask the member to make his comments relative to the bill.
MR. J. BENNETT:
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
This is a bill to do with post-secondary education and it is to basically claw
back, by way of loan, amounts that would be grants.
The concern I have is that if the regular education system is failing our
own students so badly that they cannot even get into university, how are they
going to get one of these grants to convert into a loan in the first place?
While it is a great system to have, because the backup from other provinces is
they have a first rate primary, elementary, and secondary and then they can
apply to our post-secondary, clearly, we should be paying more attention to our
basic education system so our students are more competitive to be able to apply
for these grants which then might be turned into loans.
Other than a caution about how we are failing our students at the high
school level, I certainly have no problem to support this bill at the university
level.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Mount Pearl South.
MR. LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, it is certainly a pleasure for me to stand in this hon. House and
speak to Bill 16, An Act to Amend the Student Financial Assistance Act.
Mr. Speaker, has been indicated here by my colleague and other speakers before
me, basically what is being done here is they are going to be inserting a
paragraph 15(1)(f) of the Student Financial Assistance Act –it is actually going
to be repealed, sorry – and it is going to be substituted with another section
here.
The other section that is going to be put in here is basically going to allow
that if a student has a student loan – or should I say, if a student receives a
student loan and they receive more money than they would otherwise be entitled
to, I guess there are a number of reasons why that could happen.
I guess there are a number of reasons how that could happen, but if that
were to happen we have the ability to take the additional grant money the
student received, that they would now owe, we would turn it into a student loan
so the Province could recover its funds and hopefully that could go back into
post-secondary education.
Mr. Speaker, I think that is a positive thing.
I think everybody on this side of the House, certainly here in the
Official Opposition, would view that as positive.
I believe the Third Party – I will not speak for them, they can certainly
speak for themselves, but I believe they would view that as a positive move as
well, as I am sure the government does.
That is why they are bringing forth this particular bill.
Mr. Speaker, anything we can do to improve post-secondary education in this
Province, I think it incumbent upon us to do just that.
We have some great learning institutions here in Newfoundland and
Labrador that this would apply to.
We have students who are attending Memorial University and this is certainly a
positive thing for them. I think it
is positive in terms of – we have a combination of low education costs.
I believe we are the lowest in the country now, even ahead of Quebec.
At one point in time I believe Quebec was actually ahead of us.
I think we may be ahead of them.
If not, we are pretty close or on par with them.
Now to have a situation where we are going from student loans to a grand-based
system, I think that is a positive thing.
That was a positive move in this Budget and certainly something we would
support over on this side of the House of Assembly.
As I said, Mr. Speaker, this is something that is going to apply to Memorial
University. It is something that is
going to apply to Grenfell College in Corner Brook, which would be part of the
university system. It is something
that is going to apply to the Marine Institute and the students who are seeking
their higher education at that particular educational institute.
It is going to apply to College of the North Atlantic, and of course
there are a number of campuses all across the Island.
We have students who would avail of these grants and of course whereby
this provision could apply on any of them throughout the Island.
Mr. Speaker, I think based on that, based on the students who are going to
utilize that, I think we would all agree that next to health care certainly when
we talk about the priorities of government, which should reflect the priorities
of society, generally speaking when we talk about those priorities, we talk
about health care usually as the number one priority.
We talk about education as usually a very close second.
It is very important that if we are to succeed as a Province, if we are
to advance as a Province, then we need to ensure that our population is well
educated. We need to ensure that
our children receive quality education both in the elementary and high school
system and certainly in post-secondary where this piece of legislation applies.
I would be remiss if I did not echo, though, some of the concerns that my
colleague did raise in terms of our Kindergarten to Level III system and
certainly the concerns we have with that –
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
I would ask the member to make his comments relevant to the bill regarding
student grants, student loans.
MR. LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I will certainly do that. Again,
just keeping on the post-secondary side, Mr. Speaker, as I said there are many
students in our Province who will avail of this at the many institutions and we
see it is important, as I said, to educate our own.
We talk about, for example, physicians and the need for physicians and to
retain physicians here in this Province.
There is a much better chance of that happening when they actually go to
school here, to our medical school, our own homegrown physicians.
To have a program such as this, to have a grants-based program along with
the low tuition fees, I think that is something that will hopefully attract and
keep our own children here in our medical school.
As I said if we have them here at our own medical school, there is a good
chance we are going to keep them here to serve the people of Newfoundland and
Labrador in both the urban areas and in the rural areas.
Many other programs, Mr. Speaker, we looked at our economy and we are trying to
diversify our economy and we have a need for so many skill sets here in this
Province. Many of them will come
through Memorial University, whether that be children who are graduating, for
example, in the business program, whether it be our nursing program.
At MUN we have a Bachelor of Nursing Program.
We used to have an RN system, now we have a BN system and Master of
Nursing. That is all done through
Memorial University. These
particular grants would apply to them.
We actually now have our own police officers, our RNC officers which, at one
point in time, were going through Holland College in Prince Edward Island.
Now, of course, our police officers are actually going through Memorial
University. Having this grant
system here would apply to them.
Mr. Speaker, we talk about social workers and our social work program and all
the students who would go through that.
We would have a need for social workers.
This grants program would apply to them.
Then we look at things like the oceanography and there is so much stuff.
We do live on an Island; we are out in the middle of the North Atlantic.
We are seeing a lot of programs now that are being taught at the Marine
Institute. The Marine Institute is
becoming a centre of excellence in ocean technology, ice, and all those types of
things.
When we talk about all those programs and the need to have our own children, as
well as having people from around the world quite frankly – the country and the
world – coming here to this centre of excellence, by having low tuition rates or
I should say competitive tuition rates, in terms of having this grant-based
system to which this piece of legislation would apply, we talk about that and,
in particular, our own students who are availing of this, I think that is an
important thing. This certainly
would apply to them.
Mr. Speaker, then we look at the skilled trades.
We have a need for many students to go through the skilled trades
program. We look at our offshore.
We look at the need for people who would be involved in – for example,
students, to which this would apply.
We look at students who would be pipefitters.
We look at students perhaps who would be doing welding.
We look at students who would do plumbing.
We look at students who would be involved in carpentry.
We look at students who would be involved in scaffolding and so on
through the College of the North Atlantic.
Whether that be the College of the North Atlantic here in St. John's or
whether that be the College of the North Atlantic in some of the other locations
we have throughout the Province.
Mr. Speaker, there is a need in our Province for all those trades.
To have a grants-based system for all of those students is a very
positive thing. I guess the bottom
line is that we have numerous students here in the Province.
There is going to be a labour shortage.
We have heard there is going to be a labour shortage in the future.
We certainly have a lot of the baby boomers who are going to be retiring.
There is going to be a need for our young people to fill all these jobs.
Whether they be jobs in the offshore, whether they be jobs in the
business sector, whether it be jobs in the medical field, whether it be jobs in
the public service, in law enforcement, and so on, all these jobs that are
coming up, we need to make sure that our young people take advantage of these
jobs, that they are properly trained to do these jobs, whether it be, like I
said, through the College of the North Atlantic, Memorial University, the Marine
Institute, and so on. In order to
encourage our young people to avail of all of these jobs and to have them
trained and do these programs, we need to ensure that their education, and their
post-secondary education in particular, is affordable and that we have programs
in place to make it affordable for them and their families.
Quite often we see students who have to pay for these things.
Sometimes they have family support.
Sometimes they have to pay for these things on their own.
Sometimes they come from a family that has the financial means.
Sometimes they come from a family that perhaps do not have the financial
means.
Certainly, Mr. Speaker, we have a lot of students who live in rural Newfoundland
and Labrador and they have to travel to St. John's to avail of their
post-secondary education, not all, but a number of them.
Some might go to Grenfell campus, for example, over on the West Coast.
There are some who maybe would avail of distance education and so on, but
a lot of them have to come to town.
When they have to come to town the costs they have to incur is not necessarily
just tied to tuition, not just tied to books and so on, but sometimes it is tied
to having to stay at residence at Memorial University.
Sometimes they have to rent an apartment, and there is a cost to that.
Some of them find themselves in a situation where they are having to go
to school and are having to work to support themselves.
Some have family to support them, but the bottom line is, and where I am
coming to with this, whichever route they take, anything we can do as
legislators, putting programs in place to support them to make it more
affordable for them to avail of their educational opportunities, and we do have
a number of educational opportunities available to them here in this Province,
we are certainly thankful for that, but anything we can do to make it affordable
for them, that is what we need to do.
When I saw the Budget and realized we would be moving to a grant system from a
student loan system, I think that was something we were all very pleased to see.
I spoke to some students in my district, spoke to some other students who
were friends of the family, and they were pleased to see that we would have a
system in place, a grants-based system, along with the lower tuition fees, to
help make their education more affordable for them.
They were pleased to see it.
Their families were pleased to see it.
Certainly, as the Official Opposition, we are pleased to see that happen.
As I indicated earlier, Bill 16, An Act to Amend the Student Financial
Assistance Act, this particular bill is going to tie in to that program.
As indicated, should a student who receives this needs-based grant versus
the traditional student loan, should there be some sort of an overpayment for –
I guess there could be a variety of reasons why that might happen, how it could
accidently happen and so on, that it would just simply convert to a student
loan. I think most students would
view that as fair.
As a Province, if we are going to provide low tuition fees, more affordable
tuition fees, if we are going to provide a grants-based system to replace the
student loans, then I think if there was an error made I do not think anybody
would have any problem with having this particular system where that would just
simply go to a student loan and they could pay it off.
It is a lot further beyond where we were a number of years ago, where you
had students graduating and so on and they had this horrendous debt.
After going to Memorial University, after going to Grenfell College, after going
to the Marine Institute, or after going to the College of the North Atlantic and
after getting their education, would find themselves when they now want to start
out in life, get a home, get a car, settle down, whatever the case might be, get
a job and so on, that they would have a large debt hanging over their head.
Anything we can do to help remedy that situation, to help move away from
that situation to make it better for our students, our children, our future, our
future leaders in this Province, Mr. Speaker, anything we can do in that regard,
including the passage of Bill 16, as one member of this House of Assembly I am
certainly all for it.
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for The Straits – White Bay North.
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I will be brief with my comments, but I did want to speak on Bill 16 because I
think it really shows how important it is to value money and value especially
public money. I, myself, attended a
post-secondary institution on student financial assistance and doing so I think
you acknowledge that when you are taking out a loan, you have to pay that back.
That is very standard in business and in life.
One of the things the government did in 2008 – I was at the tail end of my
bachelor's degree – is they introduced an upfront grant for a portion of the
loan. In doing so, you do not have
to pay that back. That is a
wonderful thing, but you need to have a mechanism in place so that it does not
lead to abuse. If there is not an
accountability mechanism in there, then it can be open to abuse where somebody
could continuously receive a student loan and not complete a degree or not
continue and finish their program.
I like what is in this bill that allows for the recovery of the grant so that it
could be converted to a student loan.
I think this bill makes perfect sense, and I certainly will be supporting
this piece of legislation.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
If the hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills speaks now he will
close the debate.
The hon. the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills.
MR. O'BRIEN:
Mr. Speaker, I am happy to get up in my place but I am not really sure after the
second last speaker, or the last speaker what this bill is all about.
I am totally confused. I do
not really know what I am closing, Mr. Speaker.
I tell you, I do not know. I
have to process that, is the proper words I am going to have to use.
Mr. Speaker, this is simply an amendment to enable us to initiate a regulatory
process and put in place a recovery mechanism in regard to recovering grants
that may later be determined ineligible.
It is a very simple amendment.
It is a piece that we have to have there in regard to a collection
process, if that ever happens. We
hope that it never happens, Mr. Speaker.
We hope that every grant that we give out in Newfoundland and Labrador is
used by students and used to further their education and they graduate and go on
to meaningful lives, Mr. Speaker.
Certainly, this is a good piece of legislation.
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
Is it the pleasure of the House that Bill 16 be now read second time?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.
(Bill 16)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been read a second time.
When shall the bill be referred to a Committee of the Whole House?
MR. KING:
Now.
MR. SPEAKER:
Now.
On motion, a bill “An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act”, read a
second time, ordered referred to a Committee of the Whole House presently, by
leave. (Bill 16)
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this time, I move, seconded by the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills,
to refer Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act, to
Committee of the Whole.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded that I do now leave the Chair for the House to resolve
itself into a Committee of the Whole to consider Bill 16.
Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
On motion, that the House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole, Mr.
Speaker left the Chair.
Committee of the Whole
CHAIR (Littlejohn):
Order, please!
We are now considering Bill 16, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance
Act.
A bill, “An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act”.
(Bill 16)
CLERK:
Clause 1.
CHAIR:
Shall clause 1 carry?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
On motion, clause 1 carried.
CLERK:
Be it enacted by the Lieutenant Governor and House of Assembly in Legislative
Session convened, as follows.
CHAIR:
Shall the enacting clause carry?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
On motion, enacting clause carried.
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act.
CHAIR:
Shall the title carry?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
On motion, title carried.
CHAIR:
Shall I report the bill without amendment?
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
Motion, that the Committee report having passed the bill without amendment,
carried.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. KING:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I move, seconded by the Minister of Advanced Education and Skills, that the
Committee rise and report the bill.
CHAIR:
The motion is that the Committee rise and report Bill 16.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, ‘nay'.
Carried.
On motion, that the Committee rise, report progress and ask leave to sit again,
Mr. Speaker returned to the Chair.
MR. SPEAKER (Verge):
Order, please!
The hon. the Member for Port de Grave and Chair of the Committee of the Whole.
MR. LITTLEJOHN:
Mr. Speaker, the Committee of the Whole have considered the matters to them
referred and have directed me to report Bill 16 without amendment.
MR. SPEAKER:
The Chair of Committee of the Whole reports that the Committee have considered
the matters to them referred and have directed him to report Bill 16 without
amendment.
When shall the report be received?
MR. KING:
Now.
MR. SPEAKER:
When shall the bill be read a third time?
MR. KING:
Tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
Tomorrow.
On motion, report received and adopted.
Bill ordered read a third time on tomorrow.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House Leader.
MR. KING:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I want to thank all members of the House for their contribution to the debate
tonight. It has been a long day. At
this time I move, seconded by the Minister of Natural Resources and the Minister
Responsible for Forestry and Agrifoods, that the House do now adjourn.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded that this House do now adjourn.
All those in favour, ‘aye'.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, ‘nay'.
This House stands adjourned until 2:00 p.m. later today, Wednesday.
On motion, the House at its rising adjourned until Wednesday at 2:00 p.m.