June 19, 2019
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY PROCEEDINGS
Vol. XLIX No. 7
The
House met at 10 a.m.
MR. SPEAKER (Trimper):
Admit strangers, please.
Order,
please!
Orders of the Day
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I would
call from the Order Paper, Motion 4, the Budget Speech.
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Labour.
MR. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I'm so
pleased that I have the opportunity to get up again so close to when I spoke
last because I had so many notes I wanted to go through, I didn't get the chance
to get through as many as I would like. So I'm going to start where I left off
the last time, which is how proud we were on March 7, this past year, to
announce the Terms of Reference for the independent review of the post-secondary
education system, which was announced in March, and we're so happy about the
appointment of the independent Committee of Experts to carry out the review.
This
committee has started the review, and we're very excited about the report that
this committee will bring forward. It is expected in 2020. We're not sure
exactly when in 2020. We want to ensure that the information is the best it can
possibly be, so we're not going to push any timelines to make sure they get it
done in any kind of fashion other than they said in 2020.
It has
been 14 years, Mr. Speaker, since the last review has been completed and it's
certainly timely during this time to do it. There have been many changes in our
economy, in our demographics and changes at our post-secondary institutions.
This
review will help ensure our institutions are well positioned to meet the needs
of students well into the future, address emerging labour market demands and
continue to contribute to the province's economic growth, and we know how strong
these institutions are for contributing to the economic growth right across our
province. We want to ensure this public post-secondary system can meet the
educational needs and vocational needs of students in our province.
Among
other pieces of work that the independent review will inform, will be informed
by the College of the North Atlantic's Modernization Plan, Memorial University's
Governance Review, the industry development plans that we've created as part of
The Way Forward and the ongoing work
of the Council of Higher Education, and I'm excited my colleague is on that
committee as well.
Another
priority for our government is addressing the low literacy rates, Mr. Speaker.
We understand that's a major problem in our province but not just in our
province, right across this country and this globe. So improving adult literacy
levels is key, and a key component to building our workforce and driving the
economic growth across our province.
It is
much, much more than just reading and writing with respect to literacy rates.
The development of this plan must consider such things as employability, digital
literacy and technology. The consultations we held provided input from
individuals and organizations that have insight and in-depth knowledge of the
impact that adult literacy is making and adult literacy on learners, communities
and the workplace in which is central to the success and the successful
development of a provincial Adult Literacy Action Plan. We continue to work
towards the development of the plan for this coming year. So stay tuned, I'm
hoping it will be out very soon.
Budget 2019
also provides funding for programs and services to maintain the province's
skilled workforce and to prepare them for careers in emerging industries. Some
of the highlights would be $13 million that we committed to the employment and
training programs; an additional $6.1 million to support youth in employment and
career-related activities; and approximately $700,000 is allocated to build
capacity and provide more flexible training alternatives in the province's
apprenticeship system by increasing offerings online which will also ensure that
the individuals who are trying to move through that process have the ability to
maintain work and do it on their own time and in the communities in which they
live; $161 million is available for investment through the labour market
transfer agreements, which will help people prepare for, find and maintain
employment.
I'm also
very pleased to note that the base funding for the program supported by the
Labour Market Development Agreement is increasing by more than $3 million this
year. This additional funding, under the Labour Market Development Agreement,
will be used to fund initiatives under the Labour Market Partnerships Program to
support the government's priorities, such as piloting the new training
approaches at the College of the North Atlantic and supporting the community
sector action plan.
Mr.
Speaker, last year, we launched a Student Mentorship program. It was a great
success. This program provides up to 140 students with the valuable on-the-job
experiences, and we know how important that is to get your first job and to try
to maintain that meaningful attachment to the labour force. This is a great
program, and we're happy to continue to invest in it.
Budget 2019
allocates $339,000 to expand the program to include summer career development
opportunities in the targeted areas, our industries like aquaculture,
agriculture, the tech sector, forestry, mining, the community, and the oil and
gas sectors. Our province's children and youth are our future, and we are
committed to providing them with the various opportunities to grow and succeed
in the marketplace.
Budget 2019
also, through the youth and student service program, has provided more than $6.1
million available for that investment. This funding will be used for such things
as contributing to organizations that assist youth through a variety of
services, ranging from career fairs to youth employment initiatives, focusing on
career development and education.
Mr.
Speaker, this is key. I worked with youth my entire life and it's very, very
important to give them every opportunity we can to succeed and ensure that we
have the brightest minds working within our province and making sure they stay
here, which is really, really important.
I'm also
pleased, Mr. Speaker, to note that through the Workforce Development Agreement
with the federal government, we are investing more than $13.2 million in budget
'19-'20 to support skills development, provide apprenticeship wage subsidies and
assist people with disabilities to find and prepare for employment, which is
very, very important.
I would
also like to highlight the importance of the steps we've taken to improve
workforce readiness to meet the needs of the labour force markets in
Newfoundland and Labrador. We need to be more closely working with the industry
to prepare people for jobs. I think by having these plans in place and working
in partnership with sectors and the key players in that sector is an important
piece through the Cabinet Committee on Jobs, but also it was very visionary by
the Premier to bring these sectors and attack them sector by sector with the key
players around the table, which is so very important to make sure we get it
right.
In
addition to the ongoing post-secondary review, $2 million in provincial funding
has been allocated over five years to implement
The Way Forward on workforce
development. We look forward to releasing this plan in the coming weeks, and I
look forward to having questions and answering questions on it at that point for
sure, but it's going to be a very good plan to come forward with.
This
plan will have dedicated staffing resources who will work with the K to 12
system and provide relevant career-development supports, including the provision
of sector-specific labour market information and products to incorporate into
the new career education curriculum with my colleague, the Minister of Education
and Early Childhood Development. Working very closely with the K to 12 system is
how we think we can impact those youth to make those strong decisions about
getting into the careers that are emerging in our province.
I would
also like to highlight the success that we are seeing with other efforts:
implementation of the actions outlined in our Immigration Action Plan. In fact,
we have reached 90 per cent of our target of 1,700 newcomers annually by 2022,
already. We anticipate that we will probably surpass that this year, which is
impressive. A full, almost, 2½ years early which is important.
Based on
our preliminary numbers in 2018, we've already had 1,530 permanent residents
make Newfoundland and Labrador their home. We're so very excited about that. As
we've talked about many, many times in this House that we're on the wrong side
of demographics in this province, it's very important that we try to turn that.
Whether that be through encouraging individuals that were from here, living
away, to come back and call our province home again, providing them the
opportunities is so important to do.
More
importantly, Mr. Speaker, is when we get the opportunity to invite people to
come to our province, and be a welcoming province that we are, encouraging them
to make Newfoundland and Labrador home, and choosing to live here in this
beautiful province is something that we're really working on and we're getting
very strong fruits of our labour from the Action Plan, the first two years, and
now we've launched our third year of the Action Plan. We're building on the
successes that we've achieved so far to date and we're moving forward with the
next set of initiatives under the Immigration Action Plan.
In
Budget 2019, we're allocating $2.4
million of provincial funding and another $1.85 million of federal funding to
support the implementation of the Immigration Action Plan year-three
initiatives. We all recognize the importance of immigration in Newfoundland and
Labrador from a social, cultural and economic growth perspective. While we have
great potential and there are fantastic opportunities on the horizon, we are
also facing demographic challenges as we have always known here in this
province.
The
median age in our province is 46, but among newcomers is 29. One of the things I
always like to say, Mr. Speaker, is that when we entered Confederation in 1949
we were the youngest province, as well as the coolest province. Now,
fast-forward to today, we are now the oldest province and I still say the
coolest province in Canada, but it's one thing that we really got to fix. We
have to try to get on that right side of demographics again and steps that we're
making now with our Immigration Action Plans are working. Do we want them to
work faster? Absolutely, and we're doing everything we possibly can to move that
file as fast we can but we want to make sure we do it with a strong foundation
of the first two years of the plan, and we're now putting some wraparound
supports around newcomers when they come here to ensure they stay here.
It's one
thing to invite them to come here and welcome them here but it's quite another
thing to encourage them to stay, and retention is so very important. Our numbers
of retention are very strong in relation to our Atlantic counterparts and we're
excited about that, but there's always room for improvement and we're always
looking for ways we can improve.
We've
created the Minister's Roundtable on Immigration with the stakeholders around
the table. I'd like to commend my colleague, my previous minister of Advanced
Education, Skills and Labour, the current Minister of Fisheries and Land
Resources, for starting that Roundtable on Immigration which is really
important, and putting those key stakeholders around that table. Because the
only way we're going to address issues that newcomers are facing is to hear it
directly from the people that are implementing either services for newcomers or
the newcomers themselves.
So we
think it's much more important to listen to the people with their feet on the
ground, as they say, or where the rubber hits the road at that roundtable, which
is important. The people in House have their own ideas on what we can do to
improve and that's important. What I find even more important is the
stakeholders that work with these individuals day in and day out to ensure the
success of them staying here in this province and ensuring they raise a family
here, create employment here, and we're really excited about some of the
initiatives that are coming out of the immigration and multiculturalism
department in my department.
A
younger growing population helps sustain schools and the Minister of Education
and Early Childhood Development would agree with that. Whether it be child care
and all programs associated with our province, having a younger population will
help sustain those much-needed resources for all of us, which is important.
Whether
refugee or immigrant, newcomers create demand for local goods and services,
thereby supporting economic growth. And we don't have to look very far to see
that. There are many examples of newcomers coming to our province and setting up
strong businesses, whether it be The Gypsy Tea Room or HeyOrca, many high-tech
firms, all of these things are positive and employ multiple people, and not just
newcomers. Many of our own local individuals born and raised in Newfoundland and
Labrador work, whether it be the restaurant or HeyOrca, in these highly skilled
areas. Research clearly shows that bringing diversity, innovation – immigrants
are more likely to start their own business and create employment opportunities,
as I've just highlighted some.
In March
of 2017 our government and its partners released the Immigration Action Plan, a
five-year plan to increase immigration by 50 per cent and welcome 1,700 new
immigrants annually by 2022. As I highlighted, in 2017 is when we launched that
plan, so just a little over two years we've been able to almost reach our
target, 90 per cent of our target, that was established for 2022. We're well
ahead of where we thought we'd be, which is good, so we'll be setting some new
targets. I know the hon. Member for Topsail - Paradise will be interested to
know that we'll be setting those targets 'cause he would like us to be a little
higher on the targets, which is good.
I'm very
well versed in the Blue Book targets
as well. The targets are 15 per cent in the
Blue Book which they launched, which
is excellent, that's great. It's really important that we all have targets. Ours
just happened to be 25 per cent but 15 per cent is not bad either. We definitely
want to hit more than that, and I understand that he's very supportive of us
pushing the envelope to reach as many as we possibly can to help change some
trends that we're having in Newfoundland and Labrador. So, kudos to him for the
support on that and I know that I'll be getting that for sure.
The
premise of the plan was to establish support services around newcomers with
attraction and retention by building on the existing partnerships that we have
in the community and forging many new ones in all parts of our province. It's
really important. One of the interesting things that you learn when you get in
this role that's a little different than what you'd think, most people would
think that the immigration starts and stops in the metro St. John's region, and
that's not true. More than one-third of the newcomers that come to our province
come to rural Newfoundland, which is impressive. Would we like that number to go
up? Absolutely, because we have some trends in rural Newfoundland we'd like fix,
and I see my colleagues across the way smiling and nodding their heads, and
absolutely true.
So, we
want to provide opportunities for communities, whether it be through
Municipalities NL welcoming newcomers to their communities and creating
programs. We're willing to support all those initiatives because it's really,
really important that we can try to get immigrants to different parts of our
province and calling them home because there's so much culture they bring, but
also we have so much culture in all of our rural communities that is so very
important. It is just an interesting point that more than a third of newcomers
that travel to our province settle in rural Newfoundland which is really, really
important.
Our
Immigration Action Plan – and I know my time is running short so I'm going to
try to speak a little faster maybe – is working and making some great progress
in increasing the number of newcomers to our province. The new initiatives in
this year, in year three, will enhance ongoing efforts to encourage more
newcomers to live, work and stay in our province.
These
initiatives aim to increase newcomer attraction and retention through a
concerted effort led by government, all levels of government, employers,
communities and residents. We're establishing an introductory orientation to
Newfoundland and Labrador's Indigenous peoples; supporting migrant workers in
their effort to become permanent residents in Newfoundland and Labrador, which
is something that we haven't done in the past and it's something new and I think
it's really, really important; collaborating with industry and sector
organizations to promote entrepreneurship categories in Newfoundland and
Labrador's Provincial Nominee Program, which we know we want to try to increase
that; promoting mentorship opportunities between employers facing workforce
shortages and employers who have successfully used immigration programs. We want
to make sure we build those connections between individuals that have used
immigration in the past that have had great success to organizations that
haven't and try to figure out the best way to move forward for those
organizations.
Sometimes it's an individual thing, Mr. Speaker, that organizations do that
gives them greatest success. There is no written formula for success in some of
these areas; it's different for every organization, so putting people in contact
with each other is important. Working together to support newcomer integration
and long-term retention is a key focus of the efforts in year three of the
Immigration Action Plan.
In
Budget 2019 we also included a
commitment of $150,000 to support newcomer women through the introduction of an
empowerment-focused employment and self-employment initiative. Just in the last
couple of seconds that I have left, Mr. Speaker, one of the things that's passed
the immigration file now and moving into Income Support, one of the things I'd
like to highlight is the fact that we've amended the employment supports
regulations to exempt payments from child support and of the Canadian Pension
Plan disabled contribution benefit and the Canadian Pension Plan surviving child
benefit for the purpose of determining eligibility for Income Support, which is
a really key point and it's going to put more money into the pockets of
individuals that really need it.
I'd just
like to thank the people in the department for bringing forth some great
initiatives like that, and I'd like to thank the Minister of Finance and my
Members on this side of the House. I encourage everyone on the other side of the
House to support the budget for some of the key things that I've highlighted in
my speech here today, but more importantly, to think about all the people that
are impacted by the Department of Advanced Education, Skills and Labour.
MR. SPEAKER:
The Member's time has
expired.
Thank
you very much.
MR. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for Terra
Nova.
MR. PARROTT:
Mr. Speaker, thank you for
the opportunity to stand and speak today on the budget. On May 16, people of
Newfoundland voted for change. Most voted against the government and its
approach, and people gave us all the opportunity and the obligation to move
forward with a new approach.
Yesterday, an hon. Member from the other side, who I won't name, for fear of
embarrassing him, talked about mandate. Mandate is described as the authority to
carry out a policy or course of action as given by a majority to an electorate.
I'll remind again, there was no mandate; it was a reprieve. And we have an
ability right here to do something going forward.
We asked
for eight items in our letter addressed to the Premier: the immediate end of the
levy, which is regressive, according to the government's own committee;
affordable home insurance; affordable child care; affordable medical transport;
affordable insulin pumps; access to hospice care; access to school busing inside
the 1.6; and ArtsNL funding. Nobody asked for an increase in spending. What we
did ask for was a line-by-line level, and change on how that was done was the
business of the government.
Mr.
Speaker, in my Member's statement the other day I referred to a group called
Power to Hope, and I talked to them because there are several groups throughout
this Island that raise money for medical travel. Power to Hope has raised
$350,000 over the last six years. Over the last three years they've raised
$75,000 in total per year, and that actually represents 75 per cent of the
funding that comes out of the H. Bliss Murphy Cancer Care Foundation family
assistance fund. If people don't realize what that fund is for, it's for
something as simple as a bus ticket in St. John's or a flight out of Labrador.
In 2008,
my mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. She lived in Labrador. Her
treatments were based in St. John's. So this is just to highlight some of the
things we do wrong. Because she was coming out of Labrador, she had to go to St.
John's for treatments. Those same treatments could've been done in Gander, and
eventually they were, after we fought, but she had to ask to come to Gander to
do it. Flights weren't covered. Had she travelled back and forth for all of
these treatments, it would've been substantial. Now, obviously, they are covered
to a certain amount by government, but certainly not enough for an individual to
do this on a repetitive basis.
Medical
travel is huge throughout this Island and I highlight cancer because it's the
simplest one to highlight. If you look at people from the Northern Peninsula or
anywhere outside the greater metro region where the bulk of our treatment is for
any illness, or outside of Corner Brook or outside of the major centres, people
have to travel and funding these people is essential. It's essential in the fact
that, (a), a lot of them don't have the money upfront to do this on their own,
take it on, on their own. I think if we were to look at the statistics, we'd be
shocked to find out how many people actually don't go and get the treatment they
require because they can't afford to get there. It kind of puts a two-tier
system in place, and I really think that medical travel is one of the more
important things that we need to look at going forward.
I'm not
saying that we don't help in some ways, but the reality of it is a lot of
medical travel is carried out by charities that raise money in order to help
people get there. People aren't aware of the assistance that's out there and
it's quite shameful, actually, that we don't do better for people who have to
travel places.
While I
was campaigning, we ran into a young man from Glovertown who got sick while he
was driving transport trucks working on the Mainland. He went into renal failure
in Montreal, and this government brought him back home on an air ambulance.
After he received treatment in the Health Sciences Centre, he received a bill
for $21,000 because they flew him back here because they didn't want to pay for
treatment in Montreal. Mr. Speaker, that's unacceptable in this day and age.
This man certainly couldn't afford it. He ended up off work without insurance
and didn't have the ability to pay the bill.
The next
one that really jumps out at me is insulin pumps. It's not insulin pumps as
such; it's what happens to people if they don't have insulin pumps. I'll give
you a scenario. Right here in our province today, if you have an individual who
loses a leg, as an example, the chances are, if it's a circulatory issue, within
two years they'll lose a second limb. So now they don't lose one, they lose two.
That price for prosthetics just doubled, but here's the rub: We don't cover
prosthetics in this province. Here's what we do cover.
If you,
as an individual, lose your leg, they will modify your home. They will lower
your light switches. They will lower your counters. They will pay all kinds of
money to do lots of different things, but they won't pay the $10,000 to $15,000
to give someone a limb and put them back out and make them employable. That is
unacceptable. As a result of what happens with insulin pumps, I would argue that
the highest amount of amputees on this Island comes specifically from diabetes.
Mr.
Speaker, in my area itself, just from an economic standpoint, in my district, in
the last four years, we've had a shipyard that closed down as a result of work
being shipped to another shipyard. We don't need to get into the story. We know
where it went. We probably know why it went there.
It
created a massive loss of work in my district, 120 jobs went into receivership.
There's an effort being made now for that plant to be sold. Nobody has any idea
what's happening, whether or not it's going to reopen. The reality of it is that
work could have and should have still been carried out in Clarenville, and it
was a decision made by the government to move that.
We had
not one but two golf courses shut down. Now, I'm not suggesting it's
government's responsibility to fund these golf courses, but it's certainly a
sign of economic times and how things are going.
Just
this morning in the media, there was an announcement that there were 44 workers
laid off at grocery stores. I don't see how that paints our future as rosy when
we're losing people in that type of employment.
Again,
this morning in The Telegram we saw
workers being laid off with the Autism Society.
There's
a lack of Internet throughout all the districts in Newfoundland. If you go to
any of the smaller communities, it's one of the major things they argue about.
Now, we can talk about tourism, trade and innovation all we want, and I do know
there's been some strides made for broadband and there is a program in place
where things are getting better, but we need to do that faster. We need to give
people the ability to communicate and bring people in.
We have
ferries cut right across the Island. In an area in my district, St. Brendan's,
four years ago they had five runs, now they're down to three. Again, we
understand – and the minister has worked with us on this and we're hoping we can
come to a compromise and find a way forward for these people. Again, how do you
promote tourism in an area where you can only go there at 9 o'clock in the
morning and can't get out of there until 6 o'clock in the evening? It's hard for
these people to move forward and really try and grow their area if they don't
have the ability for people to come and go at a leisurely pace.
Mr.
Speaker, also in Clarenville, I'd like to highlight Newfoundland Hardwoods
facility, which is a government-owned asset. It consists of, I believe, five oil
tanks which are in serious disrepair, lots of sludge in them. They are on the
edge of the Atlantic Ocean adjacent to a salmon river, and they are in massive
need of some serious attention. It will be an environmental catastrophe if
somebody doesn't do something.
Throughout all our regions there are issues with bridges and roads, and we
understand there's a five-year plan in place. What I will say – and it was nice
to hear the Minister of Tourism last night speak to it – is we need to look at
roads more proactively. I think that approach is coming, but I think there are
still better ways to do it.
For
example, if we're paving through a national park and there's a contractor in
there, we should be looking at ways to pave throughout the communities at the
same time in order to save cost. We need to find ways where we can better
utilize contractors when they're in regions doing work. We struggle doing that,
in my opinion.
Mr.
Speaker, yesterday the Minister of Finance stood up and indicated that the levy
is being eliminated December 31. That's great, but there's no understanding as
to why the levy isn't immediately eliminated. That's what the people asked for
and it's what we should be doing.
Yesterday we voted on a bill to eliminate auto insurance tax. What was left out
was home insurance tax, and we need to find a way to get to that.
Affordable child care, if you look in this province right now at the number of
single moms and families who have mothers or fathers who have quit their jobs in
order to stay home and look after the children because they can't afford to put
them in daycare, it's atrocious – and it's an economic driver. If we can get
these kids in daycare, it creates jobs for daycare workers. It also gives
families the ability to go out and work and it makes them feel better about
themselves. All around, it affects mental health, it affects the economy and it
affects every part of our daily lives.
School
busing, it bewilders me how a government would allow a company – not allow, but
we bring companies in from outside and we have such a stringent safety protocol.
All you have to do is look to the construction of Long Harbour or Bull Arm or
any of these construction sites where people come in, and we hold them to such a
high standard of safety that it makes sometimes their work extremely more
expensive to carry out and at times it's very difficult to do based on just
specific safety protocols; yet, we let children walk on roads with no sidewalks,
traffic, no lights.
It
bewilders me how we force companies to spend money to be safe but we, as a
government, look at our children, our greatest asset, and we send them out the
doors and let me go. Listen, it's different in every region. We all understand
that, but if one child gets ran over, it's too much.
We just
built an oil rig out in Bull Arm and the motto was: Nobody gets hurt, zero. I
heard the government, I heard Exxon, I heard everybody brag for weeks and weeks
and weeks about the 43 million man-hours with zero hurt, and we send our kids
out the door and we say: you walk up that road, little Jimmy, we don't care
about the cars coming, we don't care about any of the hazards that you may face.
It's not
just about traffic, Mr. Speaker. Schools don't all get closed down on foggy
days. They don't all get closed down when it's snowing. There are inherent
dangers that those kids face walking with weather-related issues that nobody
takes into consideration.
It's not
just about traffic and sidewalks. It's about the overall situation. It's a very,
very important issue in all the districts. I know Members in front of me in my
caucus here, it's very important to them, but if you talk to people from Gander
– and I can guarantee you that the Minister of Health has heard this a lot out
in Gander, and I've heard it a lot in my district. It is a big issue.
Hospice
care; my hon. Member behind me so eloquently spoke last week about his
grandmother, and if anybody didn't have their heartstrings tugged then they
weren't listening. Hospice care is something that nobody thinks of until you go
through it.
When you
have a friend or a family member who's in the hospital sick and dying, your
family comes in and there's somebody in the bed next to them, you don't get
privacy. Obviously, when you're in that stage of your life you want a person to
have as much dignity as they can. We don't give people that dignity in every
occasion.
Now, we
do try our best. If you go around there are cuddle beds in hospitals and there
are individual rooms in some of these hospitals, but, Mr. Speaker, these cuddle
beds are so graciously donated by companies like Newfoundland Power and other
people who fundraise. Government doesn't do that, and we can't take credit for
it. It's part of the problem that we have as a government.
When we
do something good, we stand up and we brag about it. When we do something bad we
don't find a way to fix it, and it's one of the things we really need to
address. We all know we're here to do good things. That's what we were elected
to do.
We're
elected to represent the people in our ridings as individuals, and we're elected
to represent the people in the province as a whole. We're not elected to come in
here and sit down and talk about the good things we're doing. We're elected to
come in here and take responsibility for the things we're not doing. Mr.
Speaker, in this budget there are a lot of things we're not doing that the
people of Newfoundland asked us to do.
Now,
nobody on this side of the House expects the government to come in and make all
of these wholesale changes right away, but they could have taken a holistic
approach and line by line could have looked at what the electorate, all of the
electorate asked for in every riding and found ways to substitute some of this
stuff in or implement it partially. It never happened.
What
happened is the exact same budget that was presented before the election call
was brought back here. It wasn't debated before the election was called and it
was brought back in here to be passed. There was zero effort made to make
change. It's pretty simple: The people asked for change, the government went
from 31 seats down to 20, they had 60 per cent almost of the popular vote last
time around and they've got 43 per cent this time. At the end of the day,
there's no effort for change.
Mr.
Speaker, a reprieve is cancellation or postponement of punishment or an
undesirable event. That is the mandate that the government has right now. They
have a reprieve from the public of Newfoundland who are looking for better. We
need to find a way to be better, and we need to find a way to do better.
If you
have a look at our province as a whole, we have probably – not probably – I feel
we have the most beautiful province in the country. Nowhere else in the country
can you go and see mountains; nowhere else can you go see the prairies,
icebergs, whales.
In 1989
there was a lady called Josey Aimes who filed a lawsuit down in the States,
there was a movie made about her called
North Country. In 1989 she was one of the first women to go to work in a
mine. My mom went to work in a mine in Newfoundland in 1979. Now, I applaud the
Minister of Natural Resources and what they've done for diversity in this
province, but there are a lot of pioneers in this province who brought diversity
long before these projects came and we went to work with the building trades to
try and diversify. We have a brilliant group of people here. If you look at our
prominent Newfoundlanders, we've had the minister of National Defence. We got –
I won't say his name, but we know.
Anyhow,
at the end of the day, we sit here and we talk about working together, and
there's nobody in this group who doesn't want to work together. Working together
means we take the opportunity to do so; working together means that we listen to
everybody who voted – every single person. And if we do that, there's a path
forward. We need to find that path forward. It is okay to say we passed this
budget and we move forward and we try and work together after this, but it
bewilders me how loudly the people of the province spoke and how we haven't all
listened. It's what they asked us to do is listen. The electorate has given us a
mandate to work together. We have no choice just based on the makeup of the
House right now.
It's an
honour for me to be a part of this new time, and I think that the makeup of this
House will give us opportunities to find a path forward. I think that the makeup
of this House will force us to work together but that needs to start today, it's
not about after this budget is passed. The mandate that was given to this
government was a mandate for change and we need to start that right now.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Minister of Natural Resources and the Member for St. John's West.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS. COADY:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
It's an
honour to stand on this beautiful pre-summer morning and to be in the House of
Assembly addressing the concerns of the province and giving opportunity and hope
to the people of the province in terms of what's coming and what is here in
terms of prosperity.
Mr.
Speaker, there are a couple of pre-remarks that I would like to make this
morning. First of all, it is to the people of St. John's West. I knocked on
every door in the district. I spoke with many, many, many of my constituents
over the last number of months. I do door to door on a regular basis and have
the opportunity to speak to people, because I think it's the most important
thing that we can do as Members of the House of Assembly is have that one-on-one
engagement.
I can
tell you that it was important for me to hear and to listen; to understand the
concerns; to understand the perspectives of the people in my district; and to
bring that perspective to the House of Assembly. I can appreciate the fact that
they supported me again to be here, to work hard on their behalf with integrity
and to do so with their best interests in mind and in heart. I will do that, Mr.
Speaker, over the next number of years and I look forward to serving them.
I also
want to take a special moment, while I have a few moments, to say thank you to
the many, many volunteers. All of us in this House had many volunteers come out
to help. The people who gave freely of their time to be part of democracy are
something else. It really is and I'll say it is very humbling. I know that I had
personal friends, I had people from my district, I had people from all walks of
life come to assist me in making sure that I had the opportunity to speak to the
people at the door, to make sure that I had the opportunity to represent the
great people of St. John's West.
I want
to say thank you to them. I think on behalf of everybody in this room – because
we all have that moment when people come to us and say they'd like to help us.
That is a very important moment for all us because it is a challenging to ask
your friends and your family and your next door neighbours and your colleagues
to come out and help you, so thank you to all of those that did.
My
family, in particular, I know many people here have said that, have spoken of
their family and I want to take the moment, while I have the moment, to say
thank you to my family who have always supported me in everything that I've
done, right from the time I was a small child until now, giving me guidance,
wisdom and advice and, especially, love. I want to say thank you to them.
Now, I
want to move on to the heart of my speech, Mr. Speaker. I listened intently over
the last few moments to the new Member for Terra Nova. I listened intently to
many of my colleagues opposite over the last couple of weeks, and I want to say
two things. First of all to the Member from Terra Nova, I want to say that I'm
sorry to hear that his mom had breast cancer. My mom did as well. I know how
difficult and challenging that is to the family. I know how difficult and
challenging it is to have any kind of illness in the family because as with
every family in the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador I'm sure we've seen
our share of hardship as well.
I want
to say to the Member opposite, I know how difficult it is. I hope his mom's
okay, but I did want to remind the Member opposite, as I do the people of the
province – because I like to be optimistic in my life. I like to me optimistic
about my province. I bring that attitude, I think, to this House. I bring that
attitude to my life. We're the only province in the country – the only province
in the country – to have a comprehensive travel policy for in-province medical
treatment. Think about that. We're a very small province, but we're the only
province in this country to have a compressive travel policy for in-province
medical treatment. We're lucky and fortunate that we have that.
I'll
start speaking about Natural Resources in a moment but it is because we have an
abundance of natural resources that we do bring in that revenue that does afford
us, as a province, to help one another in times of medical crisis. Is it enough?
Of course, Mr. Speaker, we could always do better. We could always do better. We
all want more. We all want better, but we are – and I want to say to my
colleague who sits next to me, the Minister of Health and Community Services,
how important that program is and how it is of benefit to the people of the
province. Thank you for the efforts and work there.
Now, Mr.
Speaker, I listened to my colleague, the Member for Terra Nova, and he talked
about, basically, the government was negligent when he talked about – he made it
seem as if government was negligent, I should say, about school children and
busing. I'll remind the Member opposite, because facts matter – facts matter in
this House, facts matter in life – that the policy is that the 1.6 kilometre is
very similar, if not the same, of every jurisdiction in the country – very, very
similar.
MR. WARR:
One of the best policies in
Canada.
MS. COADY:
I'm hearing my colleague
responsible for Education and Early Childhood Development saying it's one of the
best policies in the country, and I agree.
I will
say this, Mr. Speaker; I understand it has been a policy since 1965. I hear the
Members opposite making it seem as if this is something new. This has been a
50-plus-year policy, almost a 60-year policy. I say to the Member opposite, the
thing that we have changed as a government is allowing more courtesy busing. We
recognize that we can do better. We can do better. And that's why the Minister
of Education and Early Childhood Development has offered a more comprehensive
program to ensure courtesy busing.
Now, Mr.
Speaker, I understand how important it is, and how critical it is, especially in
inclement weather, especially when the 1.6 kilometres, which is about a 10-to
15-minute walk, depending on how fast you walk. It is important, especially for
safety, if there are safety issues, that we make sure we protect children. But
I'm saying to the Member opposite this government is doing its best to ensure
that we have one of the best policies in the country and that we do have
courtesy busing.
I am
going to say one more thing before I really turn my attention to what I'm going
to call the optimistic side of life, and what is really happening in Natural
Resources. The Member opposite talked about a responsibility for what we are not
doing. Absolutely, I take responsibility every day for what we are doing and for
what we are not doing, Mr. Speaker. As I said, can we do better? Of course we
can.
He
talked about a holistic approach doing a line-by-line review of the budget. Of
course, that's what we're doing every night in Estimates and multiple times
during the day. I will say to the Member opposite, I would like to work
together; I would like to work collegially in this House. I believe I represent
every person on this side of the House to say that. I went door to door to every
door in my district. I believe most people in this House did that, and what I
heard was we have to focus in our finances and make sure that we are not passing
a burden on to our children; concerned about the Muskrat Falls Project and the
true desire to work together. And that is what I bring to this House, Mr.
Speaker.
I'm
hearing actually very much thematic speeches coming from the Members opposite
around some of the things that they would like to see changed. And they talk
about working together, so let's do that. I ask that we do that.
I did
hear from him and I do see the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port is sitting
in his eat. I did remember from what he said in the House, he talked about the
people of the province have told him that if things don't go right, they will
pull the plug on their behalf and they have put us on notice.
Well,
Mr. Speaker, I will say to the Members opposite, the people of the province gave
us a mandate. I will acknowledge that it was a reduced mandate but it was a
mandate. They did want us to continue in our efforts. I do offer, and I do say
that this government is very, very interested in making sure that we are doing
better as a province, that everything that we can do, everything that we must do
to ensure our future and our present is as prosperous as possible, we should be
doing. I say to the Members of this House let us all work collegially and with
that focus in mind.
Mr.
Speaker, I have about a few minutes left that I really wanted to get into a lot
of what's happening in Natural Resources because it is not all doom and gloom in
this province. I'm saying to the people of the province, to the people in this
House, that things are really happening in Natural Resources. There's hope,
prosperity and jobs. So I will remind the Members opposite of some of the things
that we have been able to achieve.
In oil
and gas, $4.3 billion – think about that: $4.3 billion in work commitments in
our offshore. We have now five different companies going through the
environmental assessment process to ensure that they could drill offshore to
discover, hopefully, the next Hibernia. Imagine the impact, but imagine that
most of that spend of the $4.3 billion it will be done here in this province,
Mr. Speaker.
We, this
government, has been to attract eight new entrants in the last three years
alone, eight new companies like BHB out of Australia, like BP out of the UK ,
like HESS and Anadarko, and Total out of France. We've been able to attract them
to this area of the world, to our little, beautiful province to do work. They
want to make discoveries, so our next Hibernia is one drill away and we're
looking forward to that.
We have
650 leads and prospects. What does that mean? There are 650 chances to discover
the next Hibernia. We know what that means; it's transformative to this
province. We have four projects today that are all in one basin called the
Jeanne d'Arc Basin for those that aren't familiar. There are 20 basins. Imagine
the possibilities here.
This
week Noia, the Newfoundland Ocean Industries Association, has gathered a record
number of people I understand to the conference here in St. John's to discuss
the opportunities and the possibilities offshore Newfoundland and Labrador.
I'm
going to talk about right now there's a project under way in Argentia that is
really outstanding, the number of people that are working there. Their total
in-province, person-hours of employment is over $10 million. Think about that,
Mr. Speaker; that's a tremendous amount of employment.
I think
the last count I got was something like 2,300 people working there, building the
next platform, the next gravity-based platform. It's a smaller platform than
what we have seen because it's a smaller project in a different location, but it
is still an incredible project being built here in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Skilled labour – the majority of the engineering is being done right here in our
province. It's an exciting project and we're continuing to see the growth and
development around the oil and gas industry.
Mr.
Speaker, we've just signed up an agreement last year with Equinor, and it's a
first deepwater. This is a new frontier offshore Newfoundland and Labrador. It's
deepwater and it's the furthest point forward. So it's really far from land, Mr.
Speaker. It is in a deepwater basin. Most people know about the framework
agreement that has been signed for Equinor. Equinor is now going through its
reviews and looking at how it's going to develop the project. They'll make
decisions around December and we're working with them to ensure that the maximum
benefits are accrued to the province.
So just
let me say that there is going to be approximately 11,000 person-years of
employment – 11,000 person years of employment. Now, that's roughly 1,100 people
for 10 years, and you can do the math, it's 550 people for 20 years, rough math,
but all I'm saying is a tremendous amount of employment. There's going to be $11
billion spent over the life of that field. Imagine the activity here in
Newfoundland and Labrador because of that.
Mr.
Speaker, I don't want to run out of time before I can speak to some of the other
great things. We have an $11-million Innovation and Business Development Fund
that we're investing money now to develop our supply and service industry.
Imagine the opportunity.
As we
continue to grow our offshore oil opportunity, imagine the opportunities for the
supply and service industry. So we're investing monies into developing the
supply and service industries and making sure that we can service all of the
offshore oil, and make those jobs and make that economic generation here in the
province.
I will
say one more thing on oil and gas before I go. Mr. Speaker, we had a record bid
last year, and that was – I know we've been speaking recently in the House about
the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, and now Bill C-69, the Impact
Assessment Act. I will say that under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act
we did have record bids last year, $1.38 billion in commitments to exploration,
and the largest single bid from a new entrant of $621 million.
So what
you're seeing is companies coming from around the world with large sums of money
to make the investments, to make the discoveries, to find the next Hibernia, to
generate not just jobs but wealth and opportunity for the province. I'm very
proud for the part that I play in that.
Mr.
Speaker, I will advise the House that I will be speaking tomorrow at Noia and I
will be speaking about Advance 2030,
which is our comprehensive plan developed by 150 stakeholders in the province to
develop oil and gas.
Now, in
the few moments I have remaining I want to talk a little bit about mining,
because that's another exciting opportunity. We have done an awful lot in mining
this year; 6,300 people are employed in operations and construction. That's an
11 per cent increase from last year alone.
We
opened Beaver Brook Mine in March with a hundred new jobs. We're investing $4.6
million in the geological survey, $1.7 million in the mineral incentive program,
and we're investing a $250,000 new investment in airborne geophysical work.
That's
coming in this budget, a $250,000 investment that this government is making so
that we can go out there, it's innovative. It's timely in that it gives a first
initial pass for new discoveries through our geological survey; timely and
efficient collection of geoscience data. That's a new investment. Coming out of
our plan for mining that we introduced last year, Mining the Future, Mr.
Speaker, that is really going to help drive growth and development in our mining
industry.
Natural
Resources also is supporting a hyperspectral imaging project that digitalizes
our provincial core samples, producing advanced data that would be publicly
available. Now, Mr. Speaker, we talked a couple of years ago about doing this.
We put it forward in our Mining the Future document that digitalizing our data
and having that data available to the world is essential.
Imagine
if you're a company in Australia and you're thinking about where your next
global investment will be and they can touch on their computer and be able to
see some of the core samples we have, and that'll drive their interests. They
can do some more advanced research and utilize our geological survey and make
the next Vale and Voisey's Bay discovery.
Mr.
Speaker, I want to touch on energy. I only have 55 seconds available to do that,
but we are developing a comprehensive plan. I told you about a plan in mining
that we have done. We've done a plan in oil. Now we're just starting to develop
a renewable energy strategy for the province. That's underway.
We've
made commitments, for example, as well, to continue to focus on getting the
Muskrat Falls Project completed. As you know, we've been very methodical and
diligent over the last number of years to get that project on track to be
finalized, and we are somewhere around 96 per cent complete.
On that
note, Mr. Speaker, I'm out of time. I thank you for this opportunity and I
welcome the opportunity to be able to again say some of the great things that
are happening in Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER (Reid):
The hon. the Member for
Placentia West - Bellevue.
MR. DWYER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Again,
it's my distinct honour to rise and represent the people of Placentia West -
Bellevue that gave me their confidence in this past election.
As I
said before, and I'll always state it when I get up, that this is not a one-man
job. It incorporates a lot of people from your district and from outside your
district as well.
A couple
of people I would really like to acknowledge that I never got the opportunity to
give them a proper acknowledgement, I guess, the last time is my parents. They
were instrumental in my campaign, very helpful community leaders that,
obviously, I didn't get all the votes on my own, trust me.
Some of
the things I got to do while I was in – just before I touch on the budget – a
couple of things I got to do while in my district, I got to go and attend and be
one of the reviewing officers for an army cadet corp in Norman's Cove - Long
Cove. One of the things I really noticed about them was if they run into any
kind of financial trouble or anything like that, it's actually the towns that
pick them up and help them out.
They are
about 15 strong, and what a great group. They put off a really good static
display and all that kind of stuff. It was pretty amazing to watch, to be quite
honest. Like I said, because I was pressed for time at that event I wasn't able
to go to the reception, but I certainly accommodated for pictures and everything
before they moved on to their event. I was very honoured to be asked.
One of
the big ones, that I've already actually done a Member's statement on, was the
40th anniversary of the Placentia West Development Association, which are very
instrumental on Route 210 down in the Boat Harbour, Parker's Cove area. Not only
do they operate a Tea Rose, which is a little restaurant there, but they have a
heritage grounds that they maintain and everything. They also have a medical
clinic there that's maintained, and something else that I'll touch on in a
minute when I speak about the budget.
I also
got the distinct honour to go to the fifty-plus district dinner, Mr. Speaker. I
was quite impressed with the energy in the room, to be quite honest. It was a
district dinner, so it was fifty-plus clubs from Point May to Swift Current. So
in and outside my district, but certainly people with all the same kind of
thoughts and ideals, and really good for their communities, keeping a vibrant
aged group together, and celebrating together and enjoying their time.
Again,
Mr. Speaker, some things in the budget that were a little bit disturbing along
the way were, obviously, things with seniors and stuff like that. They find
themselves a little bit below the threshold once you get hit with so many fees
and taxes and stuff like that and you're on a fixed income.
So,
obviously, there are some things there in the budget that we'd like to have
removed, and sooner rather than later would be more appealing than anything.
One
thing that I heard about while I was on the campaign trail, and I guess this was
due to budgetary constraints as well, was that there was a program brought in
for low-income people. They were trying to help, in this program, to give them
back their dignity and to help them with their teeth.
I have a
couple of constituents that came to me and said that they were part of the
program, but then once the program stopped then they weren't grandfathered in to
fruition to what the original program was. I can understand, Mr. Speaker,
cancelling the program if the budgetary constraints have to allow that, but not
to finish the program for the people that were already entered into to it, to be
quite honest, I was very, very disappointed to hear that the current government
decided to that.
Because
not only is it your dignity, your presentation of when you talk to people, but
your teeth have a lot to do with your digestion and your well-being as well. So
to stop the program and not grandfather these people in to see them through to
getting their new teeth, I think was very disappointing, to be quite honest,
because these people deserve their dignity as much as anybody else.
Another
thing I noticed when I visited Keyin Technical College in Marystown is that
there's a gap there between people being able to actually avail of
accommodations to get to school, whether there's no public transit system or
anything like that. So they rely on things like taxis and the goodwill of their
classmates and stuff like that, or probably even family members to drop them off
and pick them up.
But when
I was there, it was brought to my attention that there is an allotment and an
allowance for transportation for these students to avail of their adult basic
education and stuff like that to get them back into the workforce. But I could
not believe that the gap that kept them from getting to school every day, as
opposed to making choices of which days to go to school, was actually only $5
per student.
I really
found that to be quite appalling, actually, that we're in a situation where
we're going to give people an opportunity to go to school to better themselves,
to bring them back into the workforce and to give them back that dignity and
respect and all that kind of stuff, and then we shortchange them by $5 and it
just takes away their whole dignity again.
It's a
program that I think needs to be really looked at. We can talk about immigration
all that we want, but unless we give our constituents the same opportunities to
succeed, then I think that we're kind of putting the cart before the horse,
because it's our people I think that need the support first and foremost. Not
that I'm against immigration or anything like that, don't get me wrong. I'm all
for it if it's going to work, but it's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. We have
to make sure that we can get sustainable work for own people before we can start
worrying about the many multitudes of others.
One of
the biggest things that I spoke about in my last speech here was about
attracting business to Newfoundland. Without the Internet, I think that we're
really shooting ourselves in the foot because, like I say, nobody wants to come
here from Norway and be operating down in Bull Arm and have to go over and get
on the payphone to make sure that they're able to communicate with their
colleagues.
A lot of
these businessmen and women also, as a lot of us in this House I'm sure do as
well, like to electronically communicate with a lot of people and do a lot of
business while we're en route to the next meeting. Sometimes we have a couple of
hours between meetings and stuff like that. So, as efficient people, we try to
utilize every piece of our time. But it's pretty hard when you're in the middle
of an important phone call and you have to pull over because you know coming up
around this turn there's no Internet service or there's no cell service.
It's
disappointing to know that we're going into 2020 and this technology has been
available to us for some 30 or 40 years that we're not availing of and it
doesn't seem that we have a priority put there in order to do that. It's not
only business that needs the Internet and the cell service, Mr. Speaker, it's
also big for tourism, as my colleague across the way would probably attest.
When
somebody comes here from a foreign country or anything like that, they want to
talk to their loved ones. They want to FaceTime with their loved ones. They want
to be able to get on WhatsApp or whatever and let their loved ones see where
they are and all this kind of stuff, but if we don't have the cell service and
we don' have the Internet service that's just not possible. So it's not
attracting those people that are more tech savvy than certainly me, that's for
sure.
The
biggest thing with the Internet service I think instead of doing these pilot
projects and stuff like that, the Internet is not going anywhere and it's
something that's proven to globalize the world and to bring in more specified
markets. If we can attract those more specified markets, then maybe it will bode
well for our economy as well.
The
biggest proponent in this that needs the Internet is actually our constituents.
We're living now, basically, in the dark ages. I have a lady in Brookside that
has to go her front window, her big bow window to make sure that her text is
going to go through to her daughter because it's an important text; or if they
want to download something, they can't download anything without going to a
certain area in the house and stuff like that.
It's too
far behind the times and it's something that I think we can certainly accomplish
with very minimal cost, for the simple fact that we have private companies that
are here doing this business that are getting a stipend off each and every one
of our constituents. At some point in time, I guess, we have to stand up to them
and let them know that there's a price to doing business here in Newfoundland as
well.
When we
talk about the Internet when it comes to constituents, I think the biggest thing
about it is, too, one thing that we are missing here is that we are an aging
population, which these are the people who want to talk to their grandchild and
stuff like that, and their sons or daughters or in-laws or whatever. With an
aging population, this is giving them that social development that we so desire
and we so need.
It's not
only for our seniors, but for our children and for our business leaders and
stuff like that in our communities, that if they can avail of the Internet, at
any given time without having to worry about where the service is or if they're
in or out of service or anything like that, then it will bode well for them and
their confidence of being global partners and being able to set up businesses
globally and stuff like that through the internet. We need a reliable Internet
service. We need a reliable cell service and that should be a major, major,
major priority for this government.
As we
were told through this election mandate that changes are needed and the status
quo is not good enough. So if we could find money just before the election to
get ready for an election budget that wasn't passed, then we can certainly find
the money to prop up our constituents to make them feel like they're living in
the 21st century, Mr. Speaker.
Another
big thing, obviously, with the Internet service, which can't be lost on us, is
that it would be utilized by the emergency response teams. This one piece of
what I've explained here this morning with the Internet service, this one piece
alone should be enough to fund it to whatever it's going to cost. It doesn't
matter about the cost at this point because these people need the support. They
need to be able to communicate with each other, and the people that are in
trouble or in distress need to be able to communicate with the emergency
response teams as well. This is, like I said, the 21st century and we're living
as if we're still in 1948.
One of
the real great honours I had while accepting this position was I was invited to
go back to RCSCC 121 Mary Rose in Marystown, which is a sea cadet corps that I
actually was a part of as a kid. I was quite honoured, to be quite honest,
because there were so many young people that were engaged in the actual campaign
that it brought me great joy to know there is actually a future of people that
are interested in government and interested in what we're doing here in this
House.
I so
humbly represent those people as well. Although they're not able to vote for me
or anything like that, I feel a deep connection to them as well. I really feel
that if we show our youth some respect, it'll come back to us tenfold or even a
hundredfold, because they feel worthwhile, they feel worthy, they feel a part of
the community, and that's what grows people into becoming community leaders.
When an adult shows a kid some respect, then that kid will take that and take it
to heart, because they know this person went out of their way to be nice to them
when they probably didn't have that in their life so much before.
So, Mr.
Speaker, showing respect to our youth is how we engage them and bring them on
board. Whether they vote for us or not, they're a part of our society. They
deserve our respect and they deserve the services of the 21st century, like the
Internet, because all their friends do, every other kid in the world their age
does. They have to use it for school projects, to find out what clubs are
available to them in their local service area. It gives them an opportunity to
probably get a little bit more involved in their community as well. I think it's
high time the Internet and cell service was looked at in a deeper light instead
of these pilot projects. I think we can go out on a limb here and say that the
Internet is working.
I'm just
looking down through. One of the biggest things – I just heard my colleague
talking about the oil and gas industry, the service in the oil and gas industry
and stuff like that. As a one-time offer towards the coffers, I would like to
express my sincere opinion on where we should be going with this, just for the
simple fact that if it is a one-time thing then we've noticed extra and we're
able to expand some oil fields, but if this is a one-time thing then it needs to
be utilized to the best of our ability for the people of the province.
I don't
think we need to keep focusing on where contracts can go outside this province.
I don't think we have to compromise on how much steel is going to be promised to
us and all that kind of stuff. If the project takes an extra three or four years
and we're doing it ourselves, then there's still no issue there. The thing about
it is if we're using our local contractors and we're using our local
tradespeople, by the time we hit first oil with Bay du Nord or anybody like that
then it's profit, because the economy is already going because we built the
project. So we have to focus that way as opposed to the giveaways.
I was
born in 1970, and since 1970 we've given away our fishery, forestry, mining,
just about everything that came into existence for us that could have given us a
lot better future. The biggest giveaway we've given to date, really, is our
human resources.
If we
look at the economy here in Canada, the two big powerhouses right now are
Ontario and Alberta, and both are right chock full of Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians. So it's not like we can't do this ourselves. We know we can do it
ourselves. We just got to have a government that stands up and got a backbone to
make sure that it's our people who are benefiting from this and that we can
bring those expats in to give them the jobs and give them Alberta money as
opposed to making them take the hometown deal. Give them the money they deserve.
There's a lot of money going to be rewarded from this oil and gas exploration
and from drawing first oil.
The
Premier has stated a few times here that he's trying to put the province in a
better position. Well, the first thing I'm going to say to the Premier on that
side is a true leader won't keep making reference to past governments after
making government himself. So it's time to take responsibility. It's time to
look at your own budgets of what you've done in the last 3½ years and make that
better. We do want to work with the current government over on this side but
we're not going to have everything just kind of thrown out as status quo when
they were obviously given a mandate to make some changes.
So with
that being said, the last thing I'd like to say is I take a great honour in
being named the critic for Children, Seniors and Social Development. I look
forward to working with the minister in that portfolio and I look forward to
representing the people of the province, not just my own district, by accepting
that portfolio.
Like I
said before, Mr. Speaker, the issues in my district are really not much
different than any of the provincial issues, but what I would like to state to
the current government is that the status quo is not good enough. It's enough
with the giveaways. It's time for us to start rewarding our people with our own
resources and moving us into the 21st century by helping everybody as opposed to
just a few.
Like I
said, there's a lot of money tied up in a lot of big projects here in the
province. I just hope the government holds those companies to task when it comes
to looking out for Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
Barbe - L'Anse aux Meadows.
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
A
wonderful opportunity to address the budget here today. Interesting commentary
from the Member opposite speaking about particular giveaways. I can't leave it
unaddressed, because it was only the Minister of Transportation and Works, the
former minister, the Member for Conception Bay East - Bell Island who had
awarded ferry contracts in Romania to have work that could have been done at an
idle shipyard in Marystown that was – or Harbour Grace or other areas in the
province, but that work was done outside the province. There are many areas of
which we have value, and we've been working very diligently with Marystown to
unlock opportunities and potential to create economic value within the region.
I want
to say, first up, that I want to thank the people of St. Barbe - L'Anse aux
Meadows for their faith in me and their support in the election and returning me
to the House for a third term. I had the opportunity of going door to door and
knocking on 5,000 doors in the district in sixty communities and hearing
first-hand concerns, issues, ideas and opportunities.
Every
community is a little bit different in terms of where some of their
opportunities would lie. I would say that during the election, I had the
pleasure of having the Premier come and tour a shrimp plant in Port au Choix. It
was really positive to see some of the implementation that the Minister of
Fisheries and Land Resources had taken to see the benefits of CETA and work with
companies to bring an industrial shrimp deal to this province, so that
industrial shrimp that would've been processed in Iceland or Denmark or other
European countries, now being processed on the Great Northern Peninsula and
other areas of this province.
It's
adding value to the local economy and creating additional employment, and that
is really positive. These are the types of initiatives that we must continue to
take. So I commend the Minister of Fisheries and Land Resources for making that
particular deal. The residents of the Great Northern Peninsula are benefiting.
One of
the devastating impacts that I had to deal with as a newly elected MHA was, just
the day prior to the election, we had a fire in Black Duck Cove with Gulf
Shrimp. We actually lost the Black Duck Cove shrimp plant in totality. I have to
say, the Departments of Municipal Affairs and Environment, Fisheries and Land
Resources, Advanced Education, Skills and Labour, the Department of TCII and
Service Canada provided a very quick response in being engaged with community,
working with displaced workers and those who were totally devastated by the
loss.
We'll
continue to work with the community to provide support, training, advice to help
them attach to the labour force, but also work with the company as they work
through their plans. And it is our goal to see the facility rebuilt, because it
is so important to the economy of the Great Northern Peninsula. The fishery is
the backbone and it is a major employer in and around the region, and this is
why when we look at innovation, we look at opportunities and the Atlantic
Fisheries Fund that was successfully negotiated by this government of $100
million to be supporting where we go forward and help plan for fisheries in the
future.
The
budget has an exciting investment for Port Saunders and the Great Northern
Peninsula area. I thank the Minister Responsible for the Status of Women for
listening to the groups and women's groups in the area, by
Budget 2019 having an allocation for a new Status of Women Council
for the Great Northern Peninsula. It is certainly an area where we have not had
that level of service and engagement in this region. So having that new office
and programs and supports to help women certainly puts a greater focus on their
leadership and the role and the support, and I commend the minister for taking
that initiative and being able to find additional funds in
Budget 2019 to make this a reality. I'm certainly supporting our
budget as we go forward.
We've
seen some investment in major road infrastructure on the Great Northern
Peninsula. Conche road, the first time in 50 years, is seeing pavement; Route
433 to Englee, Roddickton area; the route to L'Anse aux Meadows also saw
repaving; and Port au Choix, which had a 60 per cent increase in tourism visits
that's been sustained over the last two years, has also seen repaving.
The
federal government recently, their Standing Committee on Transport,
Infrastructure and Communities, basically made a recommendation to endorse a
fixed link which would be one of the greatest economic enablers for the Great
Northern Peninsula and Labrador, and Quebec as well, with the completion of
Route 138. This can help create a great circle route and ensure that there is
greater predictability of movement of goods, services and people, and also
create significant opportunity, and be a great nation-building exercise when the
Island of Newfoundland can be connected to Mainland Canada, mainland North
America, hundreds of millions of consumers. That will open up many doors for
business to be more competitive and enable more opportunities.
We've
seen in the budget where the automobile insurance tax is being removed. We
debated this bill in the House of Assembly retroactive to April 15. This is
positive news for consumers. They'll be able to have more disposable income that
they will have in their pockets, and that was a commitment of
Budget 2019. We've also seen a focus on health care in
Budget 2019, with various initiatives
around mental health and addictions, implementation of
Towards Recovery, and how important it is to enhance these services.
There's
a primary health care team that has been committed for St. Anthony and area, and
we'll continue, as I've heard from many constituents, the importance of health,
given the aging population, but also to look at where we can work with the
private sector where investment can be created like the Great Northern Port
Project, the Crémaillère Harbour on the Great Northern Peninsula, as that looks
to move forward and the investors can unlock international opportunities and
attract major companies to come to the Great Northern Peninsula. It can create
future economic prosperity in and around that region that already has the second
largest international container port that would link into Europe. The largest
would be Argentia in my colleague's, the Minister of Service NL, district. There
have been a lot of great things happening in Argentia, a robust level of
activity and business that's happening. We would also like to see where we can
create that level of industrial activity and industrial park on the Great
Northern Peninsula as well.
So we
work very diligently to unlock all of the opportunities and
Budget 2019 commits more than $16 million for research, development
and business innovation; more than $10 million for Regional Development Fund for
economic development infrastructure, marketing, research and capacity building.
And
we've seen where's there been some great investments in co-operatives such as
the Port aux Basques partnership with Leading Edge Credit Union in terms of
their child care centre, that was a great partnership where the department was
happy to support; the St. John's Farmers' Market, the co-operative there; the
Farm and Market Clarenville has seen significant investment and support through
the department; the Fogo Island Shorefast Foundation and co-operative has seen
support.
Mr.
Speaker, $3 million is announced in the budget, of which we're partnering with
the Minister of Natural Resources in that department to create a Digital Ocean
Innovation Centre of Excellence. There's tremendous capacity, if we look at the
oil and gas sector in our offshore, but we also look at the ocean economy as a
whole. We have 53 per cent of Canada's ocean economy in Newfoundland and
Labrador. We have an incredible amount of companies and capacity working with
offshore oil and gas, working with sensing technology, artificial intelligence,
robotics, aviation and aerospace and defence, as well as the aquaculture
industry. The Member for Fortune Bay - Cape La Hune would certainly highlight
success and growth and how it's been able to create tremendous benefits on the
South Coast of this province. Together, we look at all of these ocean
opportunities that exist here in Newfoundland and Labrador.
The
budget also committed $2.5 million towards the construction of a new
36,000-square foot facility at the Marine Institute's Holyrood Marine Base. And
I was present with the Minister of Natural Resources and the Minister of
Advanced Education, Skills and Labour to highlight this and where there's
incredible growth, because Holyrood itself has a start-up community, they also
have this educational opportunity where you can connect closely to the ocean.
There's more opportunity there and this is why we partnered with the Marine
Institute with making this investment. It's more than a $20-million investment
once it comes to completion.
There's
$500,000 in the budget to implement a new approach to investment attraction as
well, so it could be very direct and very targeted. This was a recommendation
based on the McKinsey report to look at where we can go and seek out direct
investment or make attraction in various sectors of the economy.
Highlighting some areas like our defence and aerospace industry, it is an area
that has a lot more opportunity. This is why we have $200,000 committed for a
feasibility study to explore opportunities, to expand the maintenance repair and
overhaul in the airline industry in Newfoundland and Labrador. That was also a
recommendation that came out of the McKinsey report.
We have
$250,000 in Budget 2019 to launch an
ocean technology competition; $250,000 to support social enterprise outreach.
There's also $200,000 to support the Drive Program offered through the Community
Business Development Corporation, CBDCs, which offers loans to young
entrepreneurs up to $10, 000. They're throughout the province. There's a network
of 14 CBDCs and metro business opportunities to make 15.
I was at
the launch of the Youth Ventures Program, seeing how inspiring it is to have
young entrepreneurs look at their first opportunity to make their own money, be
their own boss. Whether it's the lemonade stand, whether it's the lawn care
business, art or other endeavours, there's capacity for people to get access to
low-interest loans through this supportive program with the CBDCs to create new
opportunities.
We also
will partner with credit unions in the province to pilot a small business loan
guarantee program and look at the extension of a cellular service pilot project.
The
Member opposite, the Member for Placentia West - Bellevue, had talked quite a
bit about Internet and it's certainly a priority for us. His district will
receive a number of areas of Internet upgrades that have been previously
announced. We made it a priority to leverage federal funding and other supports.
In fact, TCII was able to leverage nearly $40 million in federal service – with
service providers to improve Internet access in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Projects
continue to be implemented and by doing so this improved access to high-speed
Internet allows hardworking Newfoundlanders and Labradorians to become more
engaged in the digital economy, seized with business opportunities and connect
with friends and family around the world. This investment will help make a
significant difference in enhancing productivity and competitiveness in many
rural and remote communities across our province.
Last
year, we launched a cell service pilot project to expand wireless coverage in
communities throughout the province. In collaboration with service provides and
local proponents, TCII has supported 10 projects to expand wireless coverage in
communities throughout Newfoundland and Labrador.
It was
very pleasing to see that 4,000 constituents on the Great Northern Peninsula in
17 communities in the St. Anthony basin region will see a benefit from the
elevation of two towers, one in St. Lunaire-Griquet and one in Raleigh that will
open up cellular service to a World UNESCO heritage site. Fifty independent
businesses along the route of Routes 436 and 437 will see a greater enhancement.
It's going to lead to business growth. It's going to lead to younger people
wanting to move in communities that didn't have cellular service otherwise, and
help the visitor who is coming be able to way find, get information as well.
There are all kinds of reasons why we should be investing in cellular service.
We saw a
great partnership in the Cartwright - L'Anse au Clair district where the
Minister of Municipal Affairs and Environment and CSSD had highlighted that six
communities, including the World UNESCO heritage site in Red Bay, will see
coverage.
The
Member for Stephenville - Port au Port has a project that is supporting the
francophone community in economic development in La Grand'Terre and Three Rock
Cove, Mainland there.
We also
see where I was with the Member for Cape St. Francis. He was quite delighted in
Pouch Cove to see investment in that district; as well as the Member for
Placentia - St. Mary's, to talk about the support for Riverhead and a number of
communities around St. Mary's where they will have cellular service.
The
Minister for the Status of Women has seen an investment in the community of
Lord's Cove. Lord's Cove is a unique example of where a small investment in a
trail has led to development in Sandy Cove; also saw business growth in the
community; has supported tourism and also innovation through the Wave Energy
Research Centre; and partnerships with the College of the North Atlantic.
We're
seeing activity happen in small communities, and that's the exciting things we
want to continue to see. As well, how communities on the Burin Peninsula are
benefiting from Grieg in and around the region through places like – is it
Lamaline or Lawn that's –
AN HON. MEMBER:
Lawn.
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Lawn is seeing the cages
being designed and built. We see other companies that are accelerating growth
down in the district, with Grand Bank in Dynamic Air Shelters. Very wonderful
companies that I've had the opportunity to tour with the Member. I'm very proud
of the initiatives that are happening.
I think
as Members of this House, we are certainly all proud of our districts and the
communities and the highlights of what's happening from an economic point of
view. You only have to look to the Member for Bonavista to see and talk about,
as we did in Estimates last night, the robust business growth that's happening
there.
In 2016,
there were only 80 members of the chamber of commerce of that area. Now there
are nearly 160 members; that's 80 more members. There were 60 businesses that
started up in just over two years on the Bonavista Peninsula.
This is
the type of activity and this is the climate that we're creating that's
conducive. So for Members opposite to get up and talk about doom and gloom and
how bad things are, there are good things happening in all regions of
Newfoundland and Labrador. We're seeing it, and this has happened since we have
formed government in 2016, where we've seen this business growth on the
Bonavista Peninsula. They've capitalized on their cultural assets and small
business growth and collaboration, and we look at where those opportunities are,
whether they're through regional innovation systems pilot projects, or whether
they're through trade activities or whether they're through industrial
activities.
Our
department is very, very diverse in the types of initiatives we undertake and we
support, because we have our tourism and cultural division and parks, business,
regional development and diversification. Tourism has grown to 20,000 jobs, up
from 18,000 from the last time the exit survey was done. So we've seen growth in
that area.
We've
seen last year 3.6 million trips in the province by residents spending nearly
$570 million. So combined resident and non-resident tourism spending in
Newfoundland and Labrador reached $1.14 billion last year. That's incredible.
Nearly
700 articles were written – and the Member for Gander will certainly love this –
by Travel Media about Come From Away
in 2018. That reached an audience of $110 million. This is a promotion, an
advertising about Newfoundland and Labrador that we did not have to buy. Tour
operators are expanding tour packages and offerings throughout the province.
We've hosted two promotional events in London at
Come From Away and we want to keep
hearing from our visitor experiences and those opportunities.
We also
had, through our tourism development initiatives, 24 opportunities, experiences,
sessions, 900 operators, potential entrepreneurs, municipalities and
stakeholders that have been engaged in this process.
We
continue to see where there's $1 million in budget 2019-20 to support an
investment in the growing art scene that we have here in this province. So we're
making Arts NL a grant program, $2.9 million up from $1.9 million because we
have incredible contemporary arts, arts organizations for the creation,
development and supporting artists.
The film
and television industry has seen robust growth: $50 million in production last
year, a record; 650 full-time equivalent jobs. This is why we've added $4
million to the equity program. We've doubled that since we formed government.
We also
support the technology sector through our Technology Sector Work Plan, made
incredible investments, whether it's through equity, loans or others to attract
investment and grow the economy here in Newfoundland and Labrador.
I thank
everyone for my time to address Budget
2019.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Like I
say, I always remind, it's a pleasure to get up and speak in the House for the
people you represent, because I think it's important for each and every one of
us to stand in this House and not only speak what we feel about the budget, but
every time we speak in this House we speak for the people we're representing.
I'll say
it every time I stand, it's something that should be repeated, because it's not
us speaking. We're speaking on behalf of the people who elected us that we
represent in the House of Assembly. It's something that I don't take lightly and
I'm very proud to do. So on behalf of the residents of Conception Bay South,
it's always a pleasure to stand in this. Like I said, it's a privileged job.
Sometimes we don't say that enough, either, but it's not everyone who gets this
opportunity to sit in this House and represent their districts.
It's a
very humbling experience, but it's one that I think we all should never lose
sight of the fact how important our jobs actually are and how people depend on
us for a lot of things to make a difference in their lives. Not only in our
districts, Mr. Speaker, but provincially, and as we all are critics for
different portfolios, we hold government to account and individual ministers.
But it's all about making life better for residents of the province. I don't
think we should ever lose sight of the fact of what we come here to do.
Mr.
Speaker, on the budget document, the budget speech we can go any angle. I'd like
to go back to some commentary I had when I debated Interim Supply the other day.
And it comes down to the fact of the budget document that was introduced in
April and the one that was reintroduced last week and we're now debating here
today, an ask that we as a caucus, as an Opposition, entirety had put forth –
but I know our caucus put forth a list of requests to the government opposite,
the Premier and the Minister of Finance, and all those asks are legitimate asks
and we get the comeback that they're expensive.
Well,
that's fine. Some of them may be a cost. Some may be more costly than others. We
never did ask for the spending to increase, we asked for a reallocation of
spending. Operate within the same budget, operate within the same monies.
Because in 2015, when this government took office, spending has increased year
over year over year, they'll say that it's because of borrowing costs, the
financial costs or this cost or that cost, but their actually spending has
actually increased every year. Their spending now is up by $7 million or $8
million, if I'm not mistaken, from 2015.
It's a
gradual incline. They're not operating like a government that's watching their
spending. The revenue side was meant to increase when they nailed everyone with
300 taxes and fees, but it's something – and we have economists in this House,
but I'm not an economist, but I do talk to lots of people and I do have a
common-sense approach. If people feel good about everything, they'll spend.
If you
have more money in your pocket, if you feel you're getting a tax break here or
you're not paying tax here, generally, it's an upbeat feeling. You'll spend
more. You'll make that purchase. You'll buy that car. You'll go shopping. You'll
go to the restaurant. It all works hand in hand.
It's
simple economics. That's the basics of all economics. You talk about your
economic indicators being up and down, forget all that. Forget all the technical
jargon. The bottom line is whether you're a business, whether you're an
individual, if you feel good about the economy in the future, you will spend.
You will invest. It's a very common-sense approach, Mr. Speaker, and no one can
dispute that.
We don't
feel that way in this province. Little windows of bright light shines and
someone say: B'y, the price of oil is going up. That's good, and everyone is
saying maybe we're around the corner. Everything is brightening up. Then you see
the price of gas go up and then you go and you're nailed with taxes here and
taxes there and everyone goes: Well, why? It's a depressed economy. When people
feel that way – and we all heard it, my colleagues and Members in this House has
said, we were on the heels of a provincial election, you listen to what people
tell you at the door.
I've
said it, I campaigned for my colleague in Topsail - Paradise, the Leader of the
Opposition, the Member for Mount Pearl North in by-elections in between 2015 and
2019, and in my own election, and what I heard at the doors was: taxes, taxes,
taxes. What are we going do? How are we going to resolve this? I don't see a
future. What about my children? I have teenagers; I have young adults. How are
they going to live here? If they go, I'm going.
That's
what I heard and I spoke with three other electoral districts, and the Members,
I'm sure, can back up what I'm saying because I knocked on the doors with them
and we all heard the same thing. I'm sure if you went you to anywhere in the
province, you would have heard the same thing, Mr. Speaker. It's not a new
complaint. It's not something new that just came up yesterday. It's not new.
This happened in 2015.
People
might say we were troubled, financially. I don't think anyone disputes that, but
we're an oil-based economy. With oil, comes those fluctuations. You head out
west in Alberta, Saskatchewan, they felt the same thing we felt, but they never
folded the tent. They never said shut down everything, the gloom and doom, we're
going bankrupt, we're on the verge of bankruptcy, tax everyone, tax, tax, tax –
no, they never done that.
They
actually increased spending because they wanted to instill confidence in the
individuals that live in their respective provinces. They wanted people to say,
you know what, we are going through hard times, but we're with you, we hear it,
we know what we got to do, we got to weather this storm, that's what we're going
to do and that's how we're going to weather this storm.
Here, it
was the sky was falling. I've said this many times in this House and I'll say it
again, the black cloud has not left. There's still a black cloud over this
province, as much as the government opposite want to think life is good, we're
on the verge and we're coming back.
It's
interesting, in April, prior to the election being called, it was announcement
after announcement after announcement. That doesn't work anymore. Again, that's
insulting the intelligence of the electorate. It's their money, it's not our
money. It's the public's money. We're instilled with the confidence of the
people to come into this House, the 40 Members and vote – it's their money, it's
not ours. I have no authority to anything outside of what I get paid. It's their
money. And for anyone to come in on bended knee to a minister and say thank you
so much for helping me out, Sir, or Ma'am, that's ludicrous. It's not their
money, it's none of our money. It's the public's money.
So you
spend $350 million in three days prior to an election being called. Now, who's
the fool? It's not the people, 'cause they see it, and they told me, and I'm
sure they told others. It's the people opposite who decided that this was the
strategy we'd use. It's insulting, Mr. Speaker. I still find it insulting. I'm
not only the Member for Conception Bay South, I am a resident of this province,
too. I'm a taxpayer, I'm like everyone else that walks these streets. I shop and
I eat and I drive the same roads we all do. I'm a normal citizen like anyone
else. It's our money. We care. So when I speak, I'm speaking for the residents
but I'm also speaking for me, too. I found that insulting.
I
remember going home after, I guess, day three, when we were up to $350 million,
and day three, Wednesday, wasn't over, I remember thinking these are the things
I don't like about politics. And I was quoted as saying that; I remember saying
that outright. I didn't like it. I never did like that. I with the former
administration, they used to make these announcements and think that everything
was wonderful and we all had rose-coloured glasses on, and I didn't like it
then. So I'm not being partisan, I'm just generally saying that – and I said it
back then and I'm saying it now – I didn't like that.
Like,
who do you think you're fooling? First of all, it's not your money. It's the
public's money, and the public are concerned but they want something to rise
them, they want something to lift them up. They listened for four years: blame,
blame, blame, blame. That got old. The previous administration, that wore out.
You crowd, that didn't have any legs. Believe it or not, I can't believe it, but
I've heard it a scattered time from the previous administration in this session.
It astounds me.
When I
look around, there are a lot of new faces on this side of the House – a lot of
new faces, a lot of fresh ideas. Yeah, they're with the PC Party. A lot of the
new faces on the other side that were never around when the Upper Churchill deal
was signed, do I blame them because of that? It was done under a Liberal
administration, or any other deals that went wrong with a Liberal or a Tory or
whatever. You move on. Faces change, attitudes change, ideas change, faces
change.
At the
end of the day, all of us are put in here by the people we represent, to come in
and make a difference, to do what's right, do what they think is right; but, not
only that, to speak what people want you to speak about. They gave us a job to
come in here and represent them. I got my marching orders. I not only get it
from my wife, Mr. Speaker, but I get them from others as well. They wanted
certain things. We all get them – most men do anyway, I know that.
I heard
loud and clear what I heard at the doors. It was 1.6 busing, it was insulin
pumps, it was levies, it was taxes and it was the condition of the roads. All of
those things were there but most people, when I had a conversation with them,
they were very realistic. They understood the financial situation the province
is in. They didn't want me to recreate the wheel.
They
wanted me to bring their voice in here, and I try to do that to the best of my
ability every single time I get that opportunity because, really, that's what
we're here for. We're not here for me. It's not about me or anyone else here.
It's about the people we represent. Their concerns are very legitimate.
I know
back in 2016, the infamous 2016 budget, that a lot of people in this province
shook this Legislature. It was one of the worst, probably the worst budget ever.
We were bombarded with email after email after email. Actually, in the
filibuster we got up and read out those hundreds and hundreds of emails because,
you know what, those people deserved to have their voices heard.
Do you
know what that done? The people were happy. That was their voice; that wasn't my
email. I used to pick up the emails and read them out. I used to make it clear,
that's not me. That's this person, that's this person. That's what they wanted.
Did it change anything? No, but at least they felt they had their voices heard.
It's on record. It's in this Hansard
here. Their concerns were brought to this House.
Election
day is when you file your concerns, you file your complaints and you give your
proper assessment. It's not polling, it's election day.
We seen
what happened over there on May 16, very close. Now, they did pull it off. It's
a minority but they're still in government and they have the right to govern.
But I certainly hope after May 16 they listen better, because I hear it, I still
hear it, people were surprised. People were shocked that they pulled it off,
this Liberal government pulled it off.
Again,
that's not my words, that's their words. I have reasons for that. I know a lot
of Members opposite. There are a lot of good Members over there. There are a lot
of good people. There are a lot of good representatives on that side who've done
good work and deserve to be here. That's not the issue.
The
issue is we submit seven, eight recommendations that we felt was important from
the Members opposite here. We're in this House, the majority of the population
as we sit here, and I've heard it said many times this week, 57 per cent of the
province voted for this side of the House. So these concerns are very legitimate
because you're getting them from, basically, a majority of the province. We
submitted our letters and we got back that it was too costly and you're going to
drive the deficit up. Like, there were black clouds over it.
Then we
hear the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board telling everyone
we're going to work together. We're going to do this together. We're in this
together. We're all singing 'Kumbaya.” We're in this together. But what is he
really saying? It's lip service, Mr. Speaker. Then you go and present the same
budget. You're not willing – we got the letters back and forth. There's no
movement.
Does the
province want another election? No, they don't. I don't want another election.
My residents, I represent, don't want another election. It just shows you the
arrogance is still alive and well. That's what it shows me. How long this goes
on, who knows. It's hard to convert from being a 31 seat majority and it's
dwindled down to 27 to a minority. I get that, and your mindset. It's a job to
switch that like the flick of a switch, but they'd better soon start listening.
I'm speaking for the Official Opposition, and other Members on this side of the
House are going to get frustrated eventually as well.
So
that's my caution to the wind. You dodge bullets. You'll dodge this bullet
because I don't think anyone wants another election. I'll tell you right now, we
want our voices to be heard. We want our districts to be heard. We want the
concerns that our residents have to be heard loud and clear, and we want them to
be given the same consideration as any Liberal district in this province. Are
they getting that right now? I don't know. I question it. I seriously question
it.
I don't
think it says for every district over there but I think there are some districts
and there are lots of evidence could say – I could be corrected, but I think I'm
pretty close to being right on that. I speak to a lot of people, and it's easier
sometimes when you're in the right district. I get that too, but you're in a
different climate now. We're in a different world. This is a new order now. It's
the first time in 40 or 50 years we've been like this, and the last time it
didn't last very long, but I think we all want to work together. I think the
public wants us to work together.
We want
to be respected. The residents we represent want to be respected. They don't
want to listen to this – again, the general public, the residents of this
province are smart people. They're intelligent. You can't fool them with their
own money, you can't buy them with their own money. They're a very intelligent
electorate. You hear it at the doors. These people are pretty wise. They catch
on to stuff. This stuff don't fool them. They can't be fooled.
Mr.
Speaker, when I went around – speaking of the electorate. When I went around and
knocked on doors – again, this is probably another bit of caution to the wind,
I'm sure. You may have heard it yourselves when you knocked on your doors. When
I went to the doors, one of the first things I'd hear was: Never give you much
time. That's pretty rushed. You had Victoria Day weekend. You had Mother's Day.
What
other event happened?
AN HON. MEMBER:
Easter.
MR. PETTEN:
Easter. There you go – Easter
weekend.
That
benefits incumbents. I've said this before, that would benefit an incumbent.
That was the plan. Get this done. Limit it. Get it out. Four week election,
which really it's not four weeks. Get it done. Get it over with. Before people
know what happened, it's done and over and we'll save our skin. That's why we
had the May election, and listen, it worked. By the slimmest of margins it
worked, but don't ever think the public didn't catch on and didn't knew what was
happening.
The sad
reality is in probably another week they would have really caught on and
registered, but I'll leave it at that. That's what I heard at the doors. They
were insulted. They were absolutely insulted.
They
were also insulted about the $350 million that was spent in three days. None of
that was lost on them, but they also still talked about what happened in 2016.
Do you
know another issue that came up at the doors? The $40 million. The minister
opposite will always say: We never gave them nothing. See, Mr. Speaker, there's
a pretty simple concept there, too. No, you're right. They never wrote a $40
million cheque, but it's $40 million in tax breaks. So we're getting $40 million
less. Whatever way you slice it, you're getting less.
So,
yeah, indirectly, we're going to give them $40 million, to a multi-billion
company, I guess. This company is big. We didn't need to do that. We've argued
that. We still argue it. We didn't need to do that. Why did we do that? There's
never been a rational excuse given. All the while, though, there's scandal
written all over it. It's been on the fringes of a scandal, but we've never been
– well, the AG is at it now, so maybe we'll get to the bottom of this. The
general public can't get over that. I heard that. I was not surprised because
different sections talk about different things. They were totally, totally,
totally taken up with that issue. We challenged it; our Leader challenged it.
I had
questions of the Minister of Transportation. We all kind of delved into it.
There was something not right here. We couldn't get the answers, but hopefully
the AG will. Those are the things. That's when I say sometimes you can look in
the mirror or you don't have to look in the mirror, but you can live in this
world, this fancy world where they don't see it. Unfortunately, a lot of them
are still not seeing it, and that is very frustrating. Again, not to me, the
people I represent.
I hear
it, and I've said this, too. I think every Budget Speech I bring it up because I
think it's important, too. Probably several times a week, depending when the
House is open, I go to the local Tims. I'm a Tim Hortons coffee drinker. I go to
the local Tims and I go in. I don't go to the drive through, I go in and I sit
down at a table. This table is all retirees. They're retired engineers,
teachers, there's a doctor in it, actually, it's former politicians. I sit down
in the morning when I get an opportunity, and I have to tell you, there's no
better input you'll get.
There
are Liberals and there are NDPs and there are Tories, and there are people, I
don't think, who likes anyone in government. They all give me their views. It's
not only that, there are some people who can't stand anyone in this Legislature,
but I found it very interesting. The dynamics – and they'll have their own
debates while I'm at the table. It's not like they're all for and against me,
it's very interesting.
Ironically, I've used that a lot of times. Some commentary I've had with those
people in this House, and it's a lot of factual information. It takes you out of
the bubble. I always say the bubble is a big problem in politics. It removes you
– and what the public are really seeing, it's really eye opening.
Again,
that's one thing I learned. I learned this from seasoned politicians who were in
this House many years ago. They gave me some advice on the dos and the don't
dos. That was one of the big things they gave me: don't lose touch with your
district; don't lose touch with the people on the ground. They're the people who
put you there. They liked what they seen when they seen you the first time.
They're going to like what they see if you don't change. Don't change, be true
to yourself, be true to the residents you represent and you'll never go wrong.
Mr.
Speaker, I continue to hold that. I'm in my second term now and I'll continue to
advocate for that. Every opportunity I get up to speak on a money bill or a
budget bill, I will not resist to say that here again, over and over again. I
thank you once again for the opportunity to get up and speak.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER (Trimper):
The hon. the Government
House Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this
time I would adjourn debate on the budget motion.
And
prior to recess, I would call from the Order Paper, Order 3, third reading of
Bill 1.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Speaker, I would move,
seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board, that Bill
1, An Act To Amend The Revenue Administration Act, be now read a third time.
MR. SPEAKER:
It is moved and seconded that
Bill –
MR. A. PARSONS:
One.
MR. SPEAKER:
– 1 be now read a third time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
The
motion is carried.
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Amend The
Revenue Administration Act. (Bill 1)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been read a
third time and it is ordered that the bill do pass and its title be as on the
Order Paper.
On
motion, a bill, “An Act To Amend The Revenue Administration Act,” read a third
time, ordered passed and its title be as on the Order Paper. (Bill 1)
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
We're
about to recess until 2 p.m., but just a reminder to all Members, that I believe
immediately following the recess there will be a recommencement of the Finance
Department Estimates that – Executive Council, sorry. Executive Council
Estimates that were paused as of yesterday. So I would remind all Members that
this House will now sit for Estimates after the recess.
MR. SPEAKER:
I seek direction from the
Government House Leader.
So when
might we reconvene, at the conclusion of those Estimates?
MR. A. PARSONS:
Yes, we're recessing the
House now until 2 p.m.
MR. SPEAKER:
Okay.
MR. A. PARSONS:
In the interim, there will be
a continuation of the Estimates that were paused yesterday.
MR. SPEAKER:
I gotcha.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you.
MR. SPEAKER:
All right, thank you.
This
House does stand in recess until 2 o'clock this afternoon.
Thank
you.
Recess
The
House resumed at 2 p.m.
MR. SPEAKER (Trimper):
Admit strangers, please.
Order,
please!
I'd like
to welcome the Members back to this afternoon's sitting.
First of
all, it gives me a great honour to welcome in the Speaker's gallery, to my
right, Mr. Rod Deon. He is a navy veteran of the Second World War and he'll be
recognized in a Member's statement this afternoon.
Welcome
to you, Sir.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Some other special guests to
my left, also in the Speaker's gallery, joining us today are members of the
Premier's Youth Council. The Premier's Youth Council was created in 2017 with a
mandate to provide advice to the Premier and the provincial government, bringing
a youth perspective to select topics important to youth and the government's
agenda.
The
Premier's Youth Council members are appointed through a merit-based process led
by the public service commission. There are currently 24 members from all
regions of the province. Joining us today, we have: McAuley Bellows, Lauren
Carter, Frankie Leonard, Radhika Verma, Katie Wells and Will White.
Welcome
to all of you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
Statements by
Members
MR. SPEAKER:
For Members' statements
today, we will hear from the hon. Members for the Districts of Lewisporte -
Twillingate, Fogo Island - Cape Freels, Conception Bay East - Bell Island,
Harbour Main, and St. John's East - Quidi Vidi.
The hon.
the Member for Lewisporte - Twillingate.
MR. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise
in this hon. House to recognize the Kinsmen Club of Bridgeport and area. On
Saturday evening, I had the privilege to join members and guests for the 36th
Annual Installation of Officers and year-end banquet.
I would
like to extend congratulations to Kin Randy White for winning the distinguished
Kinsmen of the Year Award.
Mr.
Speaker, the Kinsmen motto is: Serving the Communities Greatest Needs, and this
chapter has truly lived up to that motto.
During
the 36-year history of the Kinsmen Club of Bridgeport and area, the dedicated
service of current and past members have contributed to over $750,000 being
donated back to the community and region. In addition to donating to local
residents, schools, sports and youth groups, the club also donates to the
Janeway, Notre Dame Bay Memorial Hospital Auxiliary, the Children's Wish
Foundation, Ronald McDonald House, Kids Eat Smart Foundation, Dr. H. Bliss
Cancer Centre, and CF and MS just to name a few.
I ask
all Members to join me in celebrating the contributions and success of the
Kinsmen Club of Bridgeport and area.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for the District of Fogo Island - Cape Freels.
MR. BRAGG:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
This
past weekend, I had the opportunity to visit the local service district of
Stoneville and enjoy the company of the great volunteers there. This past
Saturday they celebrated Stoneville days, their annual community festival. The
day was enjoyed by everyone who took part.
The day
started with a parade of the brand new fire truck through town. This might not
sound like a big parade, but this was the first new fire truck for the
community. The sense of pride from the chief and volunteers was overwhelming.
The firemen were so excited that they took their own ride in the truck before
taking the kids. As a former chief, I was as happy as they were.
Over the
past year and a half, these volunteers fundraised over $45,000 towards the cost
of this truck. Mr. Speaker, that amounts to a lot of cold plates, moose burgers,
ticket sales and other various collections. I would like to extend thanks to
these volunteers for their hard work and commitment to their town and
surrounding area.
I wish
them well, Mr. Speaker.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Conception Bay East - Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, I stand today to acknowledge two amazing women from my district. I
speak of Ms. Kerry Churchill and Ms. Dana Metcalfe, who are the architects
behind such endeavours like WINK, Women Into Networking Kindness, and the
Breastless and Beautiful calendar project.
WINK is
an organization that supports and motivates our community through active
participation by volunteerism, fundraising and acts of kindness for persons in
need.
The
Breastless and Beautiful project not only raises money for the Dr. H. Bliss
Murphy Cancer Centre, Patient and Family Support Fund, but serves as a beacon of
inspiration for the individuals and their families who are battling breast
cancer. Mr. Speaker, each month's photo is very artistically and creatively
taken and tells the amazing story of the physical, mental and emotional
obstacles they have overcome. To date, the project has raised over $100,000 for
support to breast cancer patients.
Mr.
Speaker, another project that was driven by these women was the Chain of Bras
project that saw a chain of bras stretch two kilometres along Signal Hill to
raise awareness and money for support of breast cancer patients.
Mr.
Speaker, these are only a few of the things these women have done to support our
residents. I ask all Members to join me in congratulating and thanking Kerry and
Dana for their leadership and courage.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for the District of Harbour Main.
MS. CONWAY OTTENHEIMER:
Thank you, Mr.
Speaker.
I am
pleased to stand and recognize one of the largest communities in my District of
Harbour Main, the Town of Holyrood, which was incorporated in 1969, and this
year celebrates its 50th year anniversary and Come Home Year. Much of the month
of July has been dedicated to the recognition of the incorporation of this
historic town. Numerous events for young and old alike are being held.
Holyrood
is a town that continues to grow rapidly and boasts both its historical past and
its growth as it attracts many newcomers. With its vibrant municipal council,
Holyrood continues to expand and offers many opportunities to its residents. For
example, Holyrood has continuously found a way to evolve from a proud history to
building an ocean innovation ecosystem creating a sustainable and progressive
future.
I would
ask all hon. Members to join with me in the celebration of the 50th anniversary
of the incorporation of the Town of Holyrood and Come Home Year 2019. Holyrood
is a true example of a place that demonstrates continuous growth and vitality
and exemplifies what it means to be a town of distinction in our great Province
of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's East - Quidi Vidi.
MS. COFFIN:
Mr. Speaker, I am delighted
to recognize Mr. Rod Deon, a World War II navy veteran and outstanding community
volunteer.
One of
the surviving veterans dispatched to the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, Mr. Deon
recently travelled to France for the 75th anniversary of this event, one of 45
people who took part in a special commemoration ceremony with Veterans Affairs
Canada.
Born in
Nova Scotia in 1921, Mr. Deon worked as a hull technician, or shipwright, before
enlisting in the navy. During D-Day, Deon was aboard the
HMCS Ottawa.
Mr. Deon
is also a celebrated artist and was honoured with a Queen's Diamond Jubilee
Medal in 2012 for a wood carving he did of Queen Elizabeth in 1953 for her
coronation.
A
dedicated volunteer with the Royal Canadian Legion, many people recognize Mr.
Deon from selling poppies every year. He has spent a half a century working on
the annual poppy campaign. Mr. Deon proudly states he served so we could be here
today.
We are
humbled by your actions.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Statements by Ministers.
Statements by
Ministers
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Tourism, Culture, Industry and Innovation.
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to
recognize Greg Roberts, Barb Genge and Christopher Hickman on recently being
inducted into the 2019 Junior Achievement Business Hall of Fame.
Greg
Roberts is chairman and president of P. I. Enterprises Group; however, this
native of Triton is known more as the owner and CEO of Mary Brown's
incorporated. Today, there are over 150 Mary Brown's restaurants from coast to
coast, and the number keeps growing each year. Mr. Roberts credits his father as
the most influential figure in his life, and his most valued mentor.
Mr.
Speaker, through her entrepreneurial spirit and community involvement, Barb
Genge is a pillar of the tourism industry on the Great Northern Peninsula. For
over 30 years, Ms. Genge has owned and operated the world famous Tuckamore
Lodge. She is a member of the Canadian Tourism Hall of Fame, and has received
awards in sustainable development from Parks Canada and Hospitality Newfoundland
and Labrador. Mr. Speaker, I have known Barb Genge my entire life, and I could
not think of a more deserving individual to be inducted into the Junior
Achievement Business Hall of Fame.
The
third inductee used the entrepreneurial skills he learned from his father to
become a member of the Atlantic Business Magazine's Top 50 CEO Hall of Fame.
Christopher Hickman, chair and CEO of the Marco Group of Companies, has
developed one of the fasted growing companies in Atlantic Canada, and as a
result, his company is the largest locally-based general contractor in Eastern
Canada.
Mr.
Speaker, these individuals deserve to be acknowledged for their excellence in
business leadership, professional achievement and contributions to society.
I ask
all hon. Members to join me in congratulating Greg Roberts, Barb Genge and
Christopher Hickman on being named 2019 inductees to the Junior Achievement
Business Hall of Fame.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Terra Nova.
MR. PARROTT:
Mr. Speaker, I thank the
minister for the advance copy of his statement.
We join
with government in celebrating these truly worthwhile inductions into the Junior
Achievement Business Hall of Fame. The entrepreneurial spirit of our province is
a wonder to behold.
I'm sure
that Members of this House can think of hundreds, if not thousands, of
hard-working entrepreneurial individuals across our province who equally would
be worthy of being inducted into this Hall of Fame for their creation of
businesses that have made their mark both here at home and on the world stage.
Mr.
Speaker, the Opposition caucus congratulates Mr. Roberts, Ms. Genge and Mr.
Hickman on their achievements and, undoubtedly, long years of hard work that
have led up to it. Newfoundland and Labrador is a better place for having the
contributions of Marco Group, Tuckamore Lodge and, of course, Mary Brown's in
it.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Leader of the Third Party.
MS. COFFIN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I, too,
thank the minister for an advance copy of his statement. I also congratulate
Greg Roberts, Barb Genge and Christopher Hickman on recently being inducted into
the 2019 Junior Achievement Business Hall of Fame. These business leaders serve
as an inspiration to the many entrepreneurs in our province and I commend them
on the many successes they have had in their respective industries.
Small
businesses are the heart of our communities and I appreciate their contribution
to our communities in hopes of helping create more success stories like this in
the future. I encourage government to do more to support small businesses and
aspiring entrepreneurs through measures such as lowering or eliminating the
corporate income tax on small businesses.
Thank
you very much, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Further statements by
ministers?
The hon.
the Minister of Transportation and Works.
MR. CROCKER:
Mr. Speaker, I rise in this
hon. House today to provide an update on how the
Department of Transportation and Works is increasing the use of technology
to help people make more informed
decisions before travelling.
Since
2018, new highway cameras have been installed by the department at Heart's
Content Barrens, Black Duck Siding, Lumsden, St. George's and Terrenceville,
and cameras will be added to the Viking Trail and Argentia Access Road
this year.
Mr.
Speaker, in 2018, approximately 890,000 people visited our highway cameras home
page. The number of visits to each of our individual cameras combined for more
than 1.6 million. Each of these cameras costs approximately $6,600 a year to
operate, but the value they provide is immeasurable.
In
addition, in December 2017, we introduced a Provincial Plow Tracker on our
busiest routes, which was later expanded to the rest of the province in Labrador
this winter. In the six-month period between November 2018 and the end of April,
our plow tracker received more than 28,000 visits, and we look forward to
building on this usage this coming winter.
We have
also been using digital display signs on some of our highways, which has proven
to be an effective method in reducing driver speed.
Next
month, Mr. Speaker, we will launch a 511 NL mobile app and website. This will
create a single point of contact service to provide information such as highway
conditions, construction reports, highway cameras, the Provincial Plow Tracker
and ferry schedules.
Mr.
Speaker, while we use more modern technology to promote highway safety, we
encourage all motorists to use this information before they drive and remind
them to put their phones away before they sit behind a wheel.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for the District of Conception Bay South.
MR. PETTEN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank
the minister for the advance copy of his statement, and I hope he can find some
new technologies to get the air conditioning working in the House of Assembly
while he's fixing the roads. I couldn't resist.
Mr.
Speaker, we welcome all initiatives that increase safety for the motoring and
general public. Highway cameras and digital display speed signs can be very
useful tools. It is important that we take advantage of all opportunities,
including new technologies that are available to make our roads safer.
Mr.
Speaker, we must all play a role in improving road safety. I, too, would like to
encourage all those who use our roadways – drivers, construction crews,
pedestrians and cyclists – to stay safe, particularly during the busy summer
season.
Thank
you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Leader of the Third Party.
MS. COFFIN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I thank
the minister for an advance copy of his statement. I am glad to see more modern
technology being used as a means to improve highway safety. The safety of the
people using our highways is paramount and I commend those undertaking the work
to make these improvements; however, technology can only do so much to improve
highway safety.
I urge
the minister to consider increasing snow clearing and police presence on our
highways, as technology alone cannot replace proper maintenance and enforcement.
Thank
you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
Further
statements by ministers?
Oral
Questions.
Oral Questions
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Official Opposition.
MR. CROSBIE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Atlantic Accord has enabled our provincial government revenues of $22 billion
and is our foundation for jobs and prosperity into the future.
Is the
government willing to support a motion of the House to affirm the principles of
the Atlantic Accord and, in particular, the principle of joint management of
offshore oil and gas resources off Newfoundland and Labrador?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Well,
first of all, I want to recognize Mr. Deon in the gallery and thank him for
joining us here today.
Back to
the question of the Atlantic Accord; of course, Mr. Speaker, I would expect all
Members of this House of Assembly would agree that joint management within our
offshore resources is important to all of us as Newfoundlanders and
Labradorians.
Yesterday, in the House of Assembly, the Leader of the Opposition said that we
on this side of the House are very fond of talking about 2012, and one of the
most drastic changes that we seen in joint management off our coast in our
offshore was, indeed, by the Conservative Party of Canada. That is when CEAA
2012 came in and really stripped the whole idea of joint management from
Newfoundland and Labrador. So we're more than happy to stand with every Member
of this House around joint management.
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Official Opposition.
MR. CROSBIE:
Just for total clarity on
that, I take it that the Premier is willing to give favourable consideration to
a motion to affirm the principles of the Atlantic Accord.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Mr. Speaker, like I said, we
would stand with every single Newfoundlander and Labradorian. We do not need a
resolution in this House of Assembly. If it comes to that, we have written
letters. The minister and I have done quite a bit of work and engagement with
both the federal government, with industry, with association protecting our
environment.
Everyone
realizes that the protection of the environment is paramount, but, Mr. Speaker,
I'm wondering why it is today – we do not want to make this political. This is
not a political discussion because, as I said, in 2012 it was CEAA 2012 that
actually stripped the idea of joint management away from the Atlantic Accord and
from Newfoundlanders and Labradorians.
So,
today, this is not about one specific federal government. This is about an
initiative and a conversation. I will tell you, we will defend the principles of
the Atlantic Accord, whether those in the Opposition are standing with us or
not.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Official Opposition.
MR. CROSBIE:
The Premier need not fear
about standing together if he's taking a stance in defence of the principles of
the Atlantic Accord, in particular joint management.
The
Accord cannot be changed without mutual consent. Will the Premier state
definitively that he will not consent to any change to the Atlantic Accord which
infringes the principles of the Accord, including the principle of joint
management?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Mr. Speaker, as I stand here
today, and I've been in this House long enough to know where I've seen
amendments to the Atlantic Accord. As an example, if the Leader of the
Opposition would suggest that we should not stand here and amend the Accord when
it comes to worker safety, well, I will guarantee you, I will stand for enhanced
worker safety, Mr. Speaker.
From
time to time we see amendments to the Atlantic Accord on things like worker
safety. It could be on things like how we do land tenure, but when it comes to
joint management, I will tell you, Mr. Speaker, we will not be making amendments
unless we see benefits for Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Leader of the Official Opposition.
MR. CROSBIE:
It sounds like the Premier is
leaving the door open.
Yesterday at Noia, the Premier referred to an arbitration clause in the
federal-provincial agreement signed this year and stated that if joint
management were being impaired, you better believe we would be prepared to use
it.
How can
an arbitration clause in a Hibernia dividend agreement be used to resolve
disputes over changes to the 1985 Accord?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Premier.
PREMIER BALL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Leaving
the door open, as the Leader of the Opposition just made mention, I will
definitely leave the door open if it comes to enhancement of worker safety. I am
shocked today to be in this House and suggest that the Leader of the Opposition,
if it meant amending the Atlantic Accord, would not do so for worker safety.
That is what I just said.
So let's
be very careful, for anyone in this House, not to put words in my mouth. I have
clearly said that when it comes to joint management we would only make
amendments where we see benefits for the people of this province that are in
Newfoundland and Labrador.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, yesterday when
closing out debate on Bill 1, the minister indicated his desire to collaborate
with Opposition Members and even invited anyone to come to his office.
I ask
the minister: Will he table information on how he will achieve the $617 million
reduction in expenditure outlined in his plan to surplus by '22-'23?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Yes, I
am absolutely – my door is open. I'm looking forward to any Member of the
Opposition, in addition to the eight items that they demanded, Mr. Speaker, when
they sent a letter to the Premier and copied myself, which would be hundreds of
millions of dollars, to put forward ideas where they see a savings in the
provincial public service and the delivery of services to the people of the
province as well.
Having
said that, Mr. Speaker, this is an ongoing process. Our deputy ministers and our
ADMs work very hard in trying to identify efficiencies. We brought legislation
in in December to work with our agencies, boards and commissions to try and find
efficiencies and work on attrition planning.
Thank
you, I'll get a chance to further answer.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, on Thursday,
June 13, I asked the minister to table a detailed breakdown of his fiscal
forecast by department, but the Minister of Finance responded that budgeting
only happens on an annual basis.
I ask
the minister: How do you know that you can reduce expenditures by $617 million
if you only budget on an annual basis?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, I'll put up with
a lot but I won't put up with people putting words in my mouth or trying to say
that my words mean a certain thing.
Budgets
come out on an annual basis. Yes, absolutely, Mr. Speaker, I certainly said
that. Deputy ministers, assistant deputy ministers, directors, managers, the
heads of our agencies, boards and commissions work every month of every year,
Mr. Speaker, to try and find efficiencies, to try and find better ways of
delivering services to the people of Newfoundland and Labrador, and I won't have
the Member try to paint a picture other than that.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, I know there is
a fiscal framework for future years.
I ask
the minister once again: Will he table the departmental details of his fiscal
framework to return to surplus by '22-'23?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, in case the
Member didn't get a copy, I'll table that.
Mr.
Speaker, budgets come out an annual basis. This is the budget for this year. We
will be working towards next year's budget. The officials in every department
work towards next year's budget.
Mr.
Speaker, we'll continue working towards next year's budget with a focus on
finding efficiencies while delivering the services that the people of
Newfoundland and Labrador want.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
I remind
the Members about chirping. I don't want any interruptions
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, I ask the
minister one more time: Do you have a departmental breakdown of where you will
find $617 million in savings, yes or no?
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the hon. the
Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, this is ongoing
work. As I said, this year's budget is this year's budget. Our officials will
work towards next year's budget, which will help find efficiencies.
The
Member opposite asked why our spending was up. I indicated to him in Estimates,
Mr. Speaker, and now for anybody who is sitting in the gallery or watching this
at home who didn't see Estimates, we've got $130 million, 100 per cent fully
recoverable funding in this year's budget; 125 of that is because of the work
that our government has done with the federal government – something the Members
opposite haven't been good at when they were in government – $125 million of
fully, 100 per cent, federally-funded initiatives in this province.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, in Estimates on
Tuesday, the minister indicated that he would be looking to ABCs to find
efficiencies as part of his plan to reduce expenditures by $617 million.
Health
is about 40 per cent of the total budget. Using a straight line calculation,
health share of this target is about $246 million.
Is it
the minister's intent to cut health care expenditures by $246 million over the
next three years?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, the Member
opposite was the head of one of our health care organizations, and it's
absolutely shocking some of the initiatives he put forward to try and find
savings. I can go through those, but it's quite embarrassing to do so. If he's
suggesting that we take some of his ideas, some of the ideas that he put forward
would be very unfortunate to the residents of Labrador, and we weren't prepared
to do some of the things that he put forward, I can assure you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, once again I'll
clarify for the record. Health authorities are asked to remove millions of
dollars from their budget every single year. They are given options. We put
forward options, as we would do, as any good public servant would do. We put
forward options with pros and cons. It then goes into government. At the end of
the day, government decides which options are chosen and which are not, not the
health authority.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Is there a question?
MR. WAKEHAM:
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Finding
efficiencies means reducing expenditures, and for health care that's about $246
million of his $617 million target.
I ask
the minister: Will he table the expenditure reduction initiatives that he plans
to implement to find efficiencies in health care?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, you're
absolutely right. Government makes the final decision, which is why we didn't
impose some of the draconian measures that that individual put forward. It was
his recommendations, not ours.
Now, Mr.
Speaker, if the Member opposite is suggesting that we have multi-year budgets in
this province, that's something that I wouldn't impose on our public servants.
Government is a moving machine, and different departments encounter different
initiatives where we can find savings. They encounter different challenges on a
month-to-month and a year-to-year basis, but I have absolute confidence in the
CEOs that are in place in all of our health authorities, and I'm glad the Member
is no longer putting forward the draconian measures that he suggested.
MR. SPEAKER:
Order, please!
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, the minister
keeps saying his attrition plan is working. We have heard in multiple Estimates
committees that departments are holding positions vacant to achieve attrition
targets. This is really just delayed recruitment and not a permanent reduction
in the workforce.
I ask
the minister: Will he table his attrition plan?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, the attrition
plan that was put forward by the former administration was very rigid. It was an
absolute reduction in the number of individuals working in government. For every
10 that retired, they were only going to hire eight back. We wouldn't impose
that, Mr. Speaker, in areas such as nursing, in areas such as correctional
officers because it is too rigid.
What we
put in place, Mr. Speaker, was a financial target. Departments are meeting those
financial targets. In some cases, where somebody retires with a higher salary,
they're able to hire two people at a lower salary to do the work, or maybe
sometimes one person at a lower salary to do the work. Our departments have met
the targets that were put in place.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Stephenville - Port au Port.
MR. WAKEHAM:
Mr. Speaker, how can the
minister say his attrition plan is working when his own salary details show a
decrease in positions by two? Even if this is just a point in time, as he will
probably say, it is the number of people on payroll.
How can
he say his attrition plan is working?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Mr. Speaker, we've reduced
the number of positions in core government by hundreds since we became
government in December of 2015. To say that the number of positions has been
reduced by two last year, any time you take a picture of a point in time –
sometimes we have snowplow operators that have to work extended seasons,
sometimes we have other temporary staff that have to work extended seasons.
To take
a snapshot in time is not a true reflection, Mr. Speaker, but we have reduced
the number of positions in government by a significant number since we've taken
office. Financial targets still save money for the taxpayers of this province.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Topsail - Paradise.
MR. P. DINN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Monday
in Question Period, regarding the release of the Goss Gilroy report, the
Minister of Advanced Education, Skills and Labour said: “It's been given to the
Opposition.”
Mr.
Speaker, I believe the minister's statement, that he knows the office of the
Official Opposition received a copy. I do ask the minister, however: How did he
know the office received a copy of the expat survey?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education, Skills and Labour.
MR. DAVIS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I would
have to say by the questioning that the Member gave to me during that day. He
questioned with the information of the report. So I would assume he had a copy
of it at the time. I have not received any information that he would have had a
copy, other than from what he has said in the House of Assembly.
We put
forward – I knew a request had come in for information, but I didn't know who of
which had requested the information.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Oh, oh!
MR. SPEAKER:
I remind the Members, I will
not tolerate interruptions. Final warning.
The hon.
Member for Topsail - Paradise.
MR. P. DINN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There
were two ATIPPA requests completed concerning the expat survey report. One that
we filed, and another that was filed by someone unknown to the Opposition
office. The minister said quite clearly to me in response, and I quote: “He has
a copy of the report. It was sent to him, I don't know, a month … ago.”
This
lines up with the time frame when our office received a copy of the documents.
If the minister did not know we received the report, this could be very well be
a privacy breach under the ATIPPA legislation.
I ask
the minister: How did he know our office received a copy of the expat survey?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education, Skills and Labour.
MR. DAVIS:
Mr. Speaker, thank you very
much for the question.
The
Member, if he reads further into Hansard,
I'm sure he'll say that he said he received an ATIPPA request. Then I responded
to say: yes, of course, he must have received one based on the questioning.
At the
end of the day, I may have misspoke from what he's saying but that's not the
case from – I would not have known he had an ATIPPA request in, other than that
an ATIPPA request has come in. And, as the Member said, there were two that came
in. I had no idea which one of those ATIPPA requests would have been from either
party or anyone in particular, other than the fact that the gentleman brought it
up in Question Period and said he received it from ATIPPA himself.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Topsail - Paradise.
MR. P. DINN:
Mr. Speaker, I will correct
the Member. The initial reference to me receiving the report was made by the
Member opposite. It was after that fact that I indicated I received it through
ATIPPA.
I took
it on the presumption that the minister in saying he had sent it – we had
received a copy. I presumed he directed his staff to send it to me, of which I
said I hadn't received it; clarified it with the ATIPPA. I would never, never
presume that a Minister of the Crown would jeopardize the privacy of individuals
by breaching the privacy act. So I would not assume that.
Again, I
ask the minister: How did he know I had received a copy, or the Opposition
office had received a copy of the report?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Advanced Education, Skills and Labour.
MR. DAVIS:
Mr. Speaker, all I can
reiterate is the same point I said before. I have no idea who requests ATIPPA
requests when they come forward. I do, however, know that one was received on
the website and sent to the website.
The
Member spoke about ATIPPA in his questioning on Monday, I think it was. At that
point I would have assumed, just like any right-minded person would have
assumed, that he would have had a copy from the ATIPPA side. I still to this day
don't know for sure if he had one, other than he said it to me himself.
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Ferryland – no, I'm sorry, for Placentia West -
Bellevue.
MR. DWYER:
I'm better looking than him,
Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, thank you very much.
My
question is concerning Grieg aquaculture project in Marystown.
Mr.
Speaker, there have been multiple protests from concerned residents in Marystown
who feel shut out of the hiring process. Can the minister responsible update
this House on the project and its hiring status?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Fisheries and Land Resources.
MR. BYRNE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for a
question about growing aquaculture in Newfoundland and Labrador and making sure
that Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are the people who are benefiting from
this, in particular for this project on the Burin Peninsula.
I am
delighted to be able to report to this House that all the employees employed by
Grieg in the facilities in the Marystown area are from the Burin Peninsula. I do
recognize there are those that have taken the position that they might want to
consider employing only from Marystown. I'm sure the hon. Member representing
communities such as Lawn and other communities, he would not be asking for those
employees to be fired, unless he would like to report that to the House.
With
that said, what is very clear to each and every one of us, there are 72 people
working on site, plus subcontractors. They're all from the Burin Peninsula.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Placentia West - Bellevue.
MR. DWYER:
Mr. Speaker, qualified local
individuals have submitted applications to Grieg but have been unable to get a
status reply or even acknowledgement of their application. Worse still, local
residents are frustrated that jobs do not seem to be advertised publicly, and
community leaders have been unable to get a meeting or any explanations from the
company.
Can the
minister explain what is happening?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Fisheries and Land Resources.
MR. BYRNE:
Very easily, Mr. Speaker.
There is
a project that is underway. While there are 72 jobs that are now working in
Marystown from the Burin Peninsula, that will grow significantly in the days and
weeks and months ahead.
What I'd
like to hear from the hon. Member, is he saying, is he supporting this
particular initiative, that the only work that should occur in the Marystown
facility should be exclusively to workers from Marystown? I'd like for the hon.
Member to be able to inform the House of what his position – to consult with me,
in the context and spirit of consultation and co-operation, is he saying he
would endorse that the only people to work on this project should be from one
community? We'd all like to hear that.
Mr.
Speaker, I can report to the House that all come from the Burin Peninsula
(inaudible).
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Placentia West - Bellevue.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. DWYER:
I guess to that, Mr. Speaker,
all I can is we would expect anybody that has a significant investment from
government to advertise publicly their availability of employment.
Mr.
Speaker, area residents have not been able to get any answers and are becoming
upset.
How long
is the minister going to sit idly by before he will let the people of Marystown
know what is happening to the province's $30-million investment?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Fisheries and Land Resources.
MR. BYRNE:
Well, thank you very much,
Mr. Speaker, for that question.
Because
as the Member highlighted, he may recall, he may not, but it was the PC
government, the PC administration that offered $45 million, which we were able
to accomplish to lever that investment, to lever this project. While they had
$45 million on the table, we were able to produce a better result from a
$30-million investment. However, with that said, Mr. Speaker, I will report,
there is not one penny of government money that has been disbursed to this
company. We are acting on a performance basis first and foremost as per our
conditions.
What I
have heard – and he will have to take it back to the Members, to his
constituents – is he is calling for the employees from Lawn to be fired.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Torngat Mountains
MS. EVANS:
Mr. Speaker, I hope the
minister has been made aware that the RCMP rental property in Postville has been
sold and currently there's no place for their officers to stay.
What is
the minister doing to ensure a police presence is being maintained in Postville?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Justice and Public Safety.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Certainly, when it comes to RCMP presence, it's an issue all over this province.
I've heard about issues when it comes to police presence in Labrador.
What I
can say as it relates to the specific question, I have not been made aware of
the RCMP disposition of any assets, but what I can promise is that I'll
certainly look into it today and be able to report back to the Member as soon as
possible with whatever information I get.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Torngat Mountains.
MS. EVANS:
Thank you very much,
Minister.
I also
ask the minister: Is this government committed to ensuring that there will be no
cuts to the current RCMP service to the Northern Labrador Indigenous
communities?
RCMP
presence in isolated communities with no road access is crucial to public
safety, Mr. Speaker. The only way in and out is by plane or by boat.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Justice and Public Safety for a quick response, please.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
What I
can say is that I'm happy to report that in this year's budget there's been
absolutely no change when it comes to the RCMP budget. And I empathize with the
Member, as the Member for Burgeo - La Poile, I have numerous areas that have no
access unless it's by boat or by plane, and I understand the concern the Member
is putting forward.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Leader of the Third Party.
MS. COFFIN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Mr.
Speaker, in a recent letter to the Minister of Transportation and Works, the
Mayor of St. John's commended him on the replacement of the Waterford Hospital
but also noted the historical flooding of the Leary's Brook system. The deputy
mayor has also publicly expressed concern about building a new facility on a
flood plain.
I ask
the minister: Given these and other concerns, how is the proposed site for the
new mental health facility chosen, what criteria were used and what analysis was
done? And can we get a copy of the relevant assessment reports and documents?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Health and Community Services.
MR. HAGGIE:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
The
process for the review of mental health and addictions service in this province
began under the previous administration and was a truly collaboratively thing
generated by a previous leader of the NDP.
The
results of that deliberation were very clear from all stakeholders and all users
of the mental health and addictions system that the new facility had to be
co-located with the tertiary care centre in the province to integrate fully that
physical and mental wellness in a holistic approach and go a long way towards
removing the stigma that some people feel is associated with mental health and
addictions issues. That is why it is co-located on the Health Sciences site.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Leader of the Third Party.
MS. COFFIN:
Mr. Speaker, there are many
concerns about the location of the new Waterford facility. Concerns about
vulnerable people housed there being put in harm's way, concerns that flooding
could damage the hospital, MUN facilities like the new core science building,
city infrastructure such as the Parkway, homes in the area and the new facility
itself.
I ask
the minister: Will he revisit the current planned location and consider moving
the facility to the north side of the Health Sciences Centre?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
And I
thank the hon. Member for the question. In the evaluations of the site, Mr.
Speaker, it was noted that in 2014 after Hurricane Igor, water actually came
very close to the building, and if you think about the Health Sciences complex,
the operating rooms are actually in the basement of that building, along with
other critical, critical infrastructure.
So back
in 2014, Eastern Health decided to build a berm on the north side of the water
issue, and after further investigation, after we heard the report from Eastern
Health and the Department of Health of how they wanted to co-locate this
facility, we were able to work with engineers, an extension of the berm on the
north side and also right now, Mr. Speaker, we're going to be putting in place a
berm on the south side.
As I
said to the hon. Member in Estimates, I welcome you to come by and have a view
of the presentation as soon as we can (inaudible).
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The
Member's time has expired.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Leader of the
Third Party for a quick question, please.
MS. COFFIN:
Considering historical
flooding and the increasing prevalence of 100-year storms, of which we have had
two in the last 10 years, what contingency plans and compensation measures does
the government have in place should the berms fail and cause the flooding of and
damage to hospital facilities, Memorial's facilities, city infrastructure and
private homes?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works for a quick response, please.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
And I
thank the hon. Member. The reality here, Mr. Speaker, is what we're doing is
actually protecting every one of those things the Member opposite just
mentioned. We're protecting the Health Sciences Centre. The new berms will help
protect the core science centre. It'll help protect the assets to the south, on
the south side, whether it's the CBC building or residents over around the
University Avenue area.
We've
been assured that there's no upstream or downstream impacts from the berms, and
I welcome further questions from the Member.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Member for Humber - Bay of Islands.
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
There
were major floods in the Bay of Islands in early 2018. The major portion of the
work has not been completed due to early winter conditions last year, but the
work has started this year. There has been other damage on Route 450 from Mount
Moriah to Lark Harbour, which needs to be addressed because of safety concerns.
I ask
the minister: Will you ask your staff to have Route 450 reviewed and offer any
assistance available to correct these safety concerns?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I thank
the hon. Member for the question. Mr. Speaker, damages from the flood in early
2018 were enormous and it's taking some time to get the work actually done. I
think last fall we were able to put a lot of that infrastructure back.
One of
the challenges that we have seen, Mr. Speaker, is we're still seeing some
failures in infrastructure, underlying infrastructure, subgrade that is still
shifting. We're not sure if that's a result of the flood, but it's certainly
something we're assessing on a regular basis.
I think
just about a week or so ago we saw another slip in an area. It's something that
we're monitoring, and our engineering staff is fully aware of the problems.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you very much.
The hon.
the Member for Mount Pearl - Southlands.
MR. LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Selective memories, no note taking, missing documentation, lowballing of project
cost estimates, withholding of risk reports and complete mismanagement has been
the ongoing theme of the Muskrat Falls inquiry; yet, a number of the very same
individuals involved at the senior levels of this organization are still
employed at Nalcor.
I ask
the hon. the Minister of Natural Resources: When will you exercise your power as
minister, insist on some accountability and instruct the CEO of Nalcor to show
these individuals the door?
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Natural Resources.
MS. COADY:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
welcome the question from the hon. Member. I'm certainly happy to have
independent Members now able to ask questions.
Mr.
Speaker, the people of the province have been overwhelmingly concerned and very
frustrated about what they're hearing coming out of the Muskrat Falls Project
and what they're hearing coming out of the inquiry. Of course, the inquiry is
looking at why we are where we are and how did we get here.
This
government is very diligent and methodical of trying to get this project under
control. We've hired a utility expert in Mr. Marshall; we have a very
knowledgeable board of directors. It is Mr. Marshall, the CEO, and the board of
directors that determine the team that is required to get this project finished.
I can
say, Mr. Speaker, we're at 96 per cent or close on 97 per cent complete. We are
finishing stronger and within the budget of June of 2017.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you very much.
The Oral
Questions time is expended.
Presenting Reports by Standing and Select Committees.
Presenting Reports
by Standing and Select Committees
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Lewisporte - Twillingate.
MR. BENNETT:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Government Services Committee have considered the matters to them referred and
have directed me to report that they have passed, without amendment, the
Estimates of the Department of Transportation and Works, the Department of
Service Newfoundland and Labrador, the Public Procurement Agency, Department of
Finance, Consolidated Funds Services, Public Service Commission and the
Executive Council.
Mr.
Speaker, I'd like to thank all committee Members and substitutes for their
support and co-operation throughout the process and also all staff members.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
Further
reports by standing and select committees?
Tabling
of Documents.
Tabling of
Documents
MR. SPEAKER:
In accordance with the
Auditor General Act of Newfoundland and Labrador, I hereby table the
Atlantic provinces joint follow-up of recommendations to the Atlantic Lottery
Corporation.
Further
tabling of documents?
Notices
of Motion.
Answers
to Questions for which Notice has been Given.
Petitions.
Petitions
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Member for
Topsail - Paradise.
MR. P. DINN:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
WHEREAS
many students within our province depend on school busing for transportation to
and from school each day; and
WHEREAS
there are many parents of school-aged children throughout our province who live
outside the eastern school district's 1.6 kilometre zone, therefore do not
qualify for busing; and
WHEREAS
policy cannot override the safety of our children.
THEREFORE we petition the hon. House of Assembly as follows: We, the
undersigned, call upon the House of Assembly to urge the Government of
Newfoundland and Labrador to eliminate the 1.6 kilometre policy for all
elementary schools in the province and in junior and senior high schools where
safety is a primary concern.
Mr.
Speaker, this has been brought forward by a number of Members on this side of
the House. It's certainly a critical issue for parents of school-aged children.
We've talked about safety, and I think that point has been out there quite a
lot. Some of the responses we get talk about courtesy seating on the buses.
So, just
from the site here, I want to quote so people know what we're talking about when
we talk about courtesy seating. That is “to provide school transportation
services to students who reside less than 1.6 kilometers from their zoned
neighbourhood school” to use a courtesy seat. “A courtesy seat is defined as any
vacant seat which is available after all eligible riders are accommodated,
whether or not those eligible students are travelling on the … bus.”
The
problem with this – it does help, but very minimally. “Students who are not
entitled to busing but who are permitted to occupy vacant seats by these
guidelines should be removed from the bus if seats are required for students who
are entitled to busing.” That's the policy.
You have
students there who day to day don't know if they are on the bus or not, in terms
of a courtesy seat, and they're removed off the bus according to grade level.
You could have two kids on the bus, one can't get on the bus and one is left on
the bus.
This is
a band-aid – in fact, it's probably not even a band-aid to this problem. People
in our districts are crying out for this policy to be eliminated, the 1.6
kilometres, and I think we need to start addressing that. It is a safety
concern, and it'll be a sad day in this House if some student should die as a
result of this not being implemented.
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Minister of Education and Early Childhood Development for a response,
please.
MR. WARR:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I
appreciate the concerns of the Member and his petition.
Mr.
Speaker, we heard yesterday from the Member for Mount Pearl North advising this
House how much he appreciated jurisdictional scans and he believed in
jurisdictional scans. Mr. Speaker, we've done the scan. Obviously, the scan will
prove that we are offering the third best policy in the country – the third best
policy in the country, Mr. Speaker, and we'll continue to address any concerns.
I've
invited the Member for Conception Bay East - Bell Island – in their election
platform they used a figure of $3.5 million to address the 1.6 busing policy.
I've asked for him to engage with me and bring that over so we can sit down and
have a look at it. To date, Mr. Speaker, I have not received that.
I will
continue to address any of the concerns that the Members have.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
Further
petitions?
The hon.
the Member for Ferryland.
MR. O'DRISCOLL:
Mr. Speaker, the Witless Bay
Line, Route 13, is a significant piece of transportation infrastructure.
It's a
shorter access from the Trans-Canada Highway to Witless Bay and surrounding
region. This roadway plays a major role in the commercial and residential growth
of our region.
THEREFORE we petition the House of Assembly as follows: We, the undersigned,
urge the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador to perform upgrades and provide
maintenance to this significant piece of infrastructure to ensure safety of
drivers and improve flow of traffic on other main roadways to the Southern
Shore.
Just in
speaking to that, the Witless Bay Line, obviously, is a big area to fix so we
can get the tourism. People say they have to come around St. John's to come
across the way to go to Bay Bulls, to go as far as Trepassey, go to the UNESCO
site in Portugal Cove South. So it's a very big piece of infrastructure.
I'm sure
the minister – we've had that discussion in our Estimates – is working on that,
and we hope we can bring that forward to our area.
Thank
you very much.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works for a response, please.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I thank
the hon. Member for the petition.
Mr.
Speaker, we recognize the value of the Witless Bay Line, and I think the Member
and I have had conversations about it. We actually recognize the Witless Bay
Line potentially as a trade route for international trade, when you look at the
assets that have been built, the harbour assets in Bay Bulls. Right now we're
pursuing some upgrades or some support from the federal government on Witless
Bay Line just to that measure in recognizing the trade benefits that this
highway, or this road will play in the future.
Again,
Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. Member for his petition.
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
Further
petitions?
The hon.
the Member for Humber - Bay of Islands.
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I stand
again on a petition on behalf of the people on the West Coast of the province
about the hospital in Corner Brook, and I'll just read it again.
WHEREAS
the successful proponents for the new hospital in Corner Brook are scheduled to
be announced this spring with construction anticipated to begin in the fall and,
as this is estimated to be a four-year construction period, and as there are
experienced local tradespeople and labourers in the area;
THEREFORE we, the undersigned, petition the hon. House of Assembly to urge the
Government of Newfoundland and Labrador to encourage companies that are awarded
the contracts for the new hospital to hire local tradespeople and labourers, at
no extra cost to the taxpayers, so that they can work in their own area, support
the local economy and be able to return home to their families every evening.
Mr.
Speaker, I present this again today. There are people here from all over
Curling, Corner Brook, Mount Moriah, and all over the Humber - Bay of Islands
area. This is one from the Bay of Islands. We're urging government to work with
the local contractors and whoever the main contractor is to try to get some
local people. If you go through the union hall, in the union contract they have
a local preference in that. There will be people from all over the province
working on that, and that's fine, but we have to try to make sure that we work
with the main contractor, the local contractors to hire local where we can for
the skilled labour that's available.
I was
speaking to the minister a few days ago and the minister mentioned that I made a
comment that they're going to get 90 per cent. What I meant to say, if I did
make the statement, was that the minister was trying to urge to work up to 90
per cent as they do in the long-term care. So I just want to clarify that for
the minister. That the minister didn't say there will be 90 per cent, but that
he'd be working towards 90 per cent for that.
Mr.
Speaker, it is very important to me, it's very important to the workers. I made
a commitment during the last provincial election that I would raise this in the
House of Assembly at every opportunity that I can, and I'm fulfilling that
commitment. I'm willing to work with the government, work with the companies
themselves and the unions to ensure that we do what we can to hire local people.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
The hon.
the Minister of Transportation and Works for a response, please.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Speaker.
I thank
the hon. Member for the petition.
Mr.
Speaker, on Monday I had the opportunity, along with my parliamentary secretary
for the department, to sit down with Trades NL and have a discussion around this
very subject. I can assure the Member opposite, and I can assure anybody in this
province, that when we look at what will actually be the largest public
infrastructure project ever on the West Coast of this province, we will make
sure and we will do our utmost to encourage contractors, subcontractors to be
hiring Newfoundland and Labrador workers.
We're
going to see tremendous benefit from this, more than a half-a-billion-dollar
project to the West Coast of our province; workers, restaurants, retail
business. This is going to bring enormous opportunities to the West Coast of
this province, and we look forward to working with contractors and employees
alike to make sure that we maximize our benefit.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
Further
petitions?
The hon.
the Member for Conception Bay East - Bell Island.
MR. BRAZIL:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
To the
hon. House of Assembly of the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador in
Parliament assembled, the petition of the undersigned residents of Newfoundland
and Labrador humbly sheweth:
WHEREAS
many students within our province depend on school busing for transportation to
and from school each day; and
WHEREAS
there are many parents of school-aged children throughout our province who live
inside the eastern school district's 1.6 kilometre zone, therefore not qualified
for busing; and
WHEREAS
the policy cannot override the safety of our children;
WHEREUPON the undersigned, your petitioners, humbly pray and call upon the House
of Assembly to urge government to eliminate the 1.6 kilometre policy for all
elementary schools in the province and in junior and senior highs where school
safety is a primary concern.
And as
in duty bound your petitioners will ever pray.
Mr.
Speaker, this is the second time today this has been presented, and the
minister, who I have ultimate respect for, no doubt got up and read back the
bureaucratic answer is that we've done a jurisdictional scan – which is the
norm, to look at it. It says we're doing the third best in the country, but in
Newfoundland and Labrador when it comes to the safety of our children, we should
strive to be the best and then beyond the best.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. BRAZIL:
No other geographical makeup
in this country has what we have in Newfoundland and Labrador with the winding
roads, with the isolated areas, with the dramatic increase in traffic because of
our economy over the last decade, because of that. The fact that we have such a
vast and spread out geographic location here. The fact that we have many
kilometres that people must travel on. The fact that in Newfoundland and
Labrador schools in some areas are overpopulated in growth areas, and it becomes
a challenge just even getting on parking lots.
In other
areas, in rural areas, there are issues around no shoulders. There are issues
around adequate snow clearing, and that all has an impact. The McKinsey report
had noted a number of years ago when it looked at the busing policy here that we
should strive to be the best when it's about providing safe access to and from
schools for the students of Newfoundland and Labrador.
So, as
we talk about this, we need to strive to get to a point where we've already
talked to administrators and providers and it would be a minimal cost, and I
know we're not talking about increasing the budget. We're talking about
reassigning monies that are already allocated.
The $75
million for busing in this province, a part of that be reassigned in a better
approach to ensuring that all students get to school and back from school in a
safe manner. That also helps, from an economic point of view that mothers or
fathers can ensure themselves at work and that grandparents are not stressed by
having to be on the roads in times when they don't need to be because we know
their kids will be safely getting to and from school because we provide proper
busing.
So, Mr.
Speaker, we'll have an opportunity to speak to this again, but jurisdictional
scans mean nothing. Safety of our children in Newfoundland and Labrador should
be the primary objective here.
Thank
you, Mr. Speaker.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
I say kudos to the Opposition
House Leader for his timing there. That was superb.
Mr.
Speaker, normally today we would be calling a private Member's resolution, but
with leave of the House we are able to dispense with that and move ahead with
regular business.
At this
time, I would ask leave of Members opposite to proceed with regular business on
the Order Paper.
AN HON. MEMBER:
Leave.
MR. SPEAKER:
Leave has been granted.
Please
proceed.
Orders of the Day
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
At this
time, I would call from the Order Paper, Motion 6, the Loan Act.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I move,
seconded by the hon. the Government House Leader, that the Loan Act be now read
a second time.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I give
notice that I will on tomorrow move that the House resolve itself into a
Committee of the Whole – sorry, Mr. Speaker.
MR. SPEAKER:
It's okay.
MR. OSBORNE:
You'd think I'd know this
job, wouldn't you.
Sorry,
Mr. Speaker.
I move,
seconded by the hon. the Government House Leader, that the House resolve itself
into a Committee of the Whole on Ways and Means to consider certain resolutions
and a bill relating to the raising of money by way of loan by the province.
MR. SPEAKER:
It has been moved and
seconded that I do now leave the Chair for the House to resolve itself into the
Committee of the Whole on Ways and Means.
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR. SPEAKER:
All those against, 'nay.'
The
motion is carried without enthusiasm.
On
motion, that the House resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole, the Speaker
left the Chair.
Committee of the
Whole
CHAIR (Reid):
Order, please!
We are
now debating the related resolution to Bill 3.
Resolution
“Be
it resolved by the House of Assembly in Legislative Session convened, as follows:
“That it
is expedient to bring in a measure to authorize the raising from time to time by
way of loan on the credit of the Province a sum of money not exceeding
$1,200,000,000.”
CHAIR:
Shall the resolution carry?
The hon.
the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board.
MR. OSBORNE:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr.
Chair, this legislation, if passed, will give government the authority to borrow
– I hate to say it's an annual occurrence because it's not. In fact, Members of
the House who were here in 2017 would recall that we did not bring a loan act
forward in 2017. We do not always need one, and the reason for that can vary.
There are a number of different reasons why in certain years we need to borrow
and in certain years we don't need to borrow.
In the
case of 2017, government had borrowing authority remaining from 2016 from the
$3.4 billion that was approved with the
Loan Act, 2016, and felt that would be sufficient to cover borrowing needs.
So there was no need for a loan act in 2017. However, if we look at previous
years, for example, 2014 we had a loan act and borrowed – 2015, 2016, '17 and
again in '19.
Mr.
Chair, the point that I'm making is this is routine legislation; however, it's
one that we wish we didn't have to do. Hopefully, if government, and through all
Members of the House of Assembly through collaboration, are able to stay on
target and return to surplus in 2022-23, we won't need to borrow in the
subsequent year.
Mr.
Chair, the loan act is required when borrowing as it gives us the needed
permission to borrow. In all of the years that I listed above, we had to borrow
to cover portions of the cost of operating services that we provide to the
people of the province.
In 2014,
the loan act was for $600 million. A year later, by 2015 the loan act was $2
billion. Mr. Chair, not only did government borrow the $2 billion in 2015, but
we had to amend the Loan Act, 2015 for
an additional $400 million, and in 2016 the borrowing capacity had to increase
to $3.4 billion. Just to give some indication as to the position government was
in in 2015, that was – I believe, Mr. Chair, to my recollection – the largest
borrowing authority this province had ever undertaken.
Mr.
Chair, there's a lot I could say about our borrowing and how it's increased
during the period from 2014 to 2016, but I believe the numbers speak for
themselves. So instead, we'll look at the future.
Budget 2018,
we forecasted gross borrowing of $1.45 billion. We didn't actually need to
borrow that amount. Borrowing in 2018-19 was actually only $1.425 billion. I say
only, Mr. Chair, it's still considerably larger than we'd like to see.
Obviously, we, as Members of the Legislature, need to focus on returning to
surplus.
Mr.
Chair, our borrowing needs for 2018-19 were lower than anticipated. We were able
to pre-borrow $175 million to go against the 2019-20 spending needs. For 2019,
borrowing will be at $1.2 billion which is lower than we projected a year ago
that we would need to borrow, and that is in large part due to the cash we're
receiving from the Atlantic Accord. We put ourselves in a position where net new
borrowing is projected to decrease each year from now until 2022-23.
Mr.
Chair, this loan act is to provide the government with long-term borrowing
authority of $1.2 billion to meet the 2019-2020 requirements as identified in
Budget 2019. This amount covers our
borrowing needs with an adequate margin of flexibility. A portion of this
borrowing authority could also be used to meet the 2020-21 Interim Supply
requirements, provided there are no adverse changes to our financial outlook.
Mr.
Chair, we continue to strive toward our return to surplus so that we can
continue to reduce our borrowing needs. Our focus is on stability and disciple
and fiscal management as we remain focused on this goal. Addressing the debt
remains a significant area of focus so that we can divert money back to where it
should be spent, on health care, education and other services.
Mr.
Chair, I did point out when I spoke a couple of days ago, that in the '70s
education was the highest spend in the province. That was replaced by health
care, and education was the second highest. In 2015-16, the debt had gotten to
such a range that servicing the debt became the second highest spend in the
province.
Sometimes Members opposite ask why spending seems like it's increasing in the
province. There are a number of reasons. As I've pointed out previously, one of
them is the payout of severance, which last year was approximately $250 million.
One of it is 100 per cent fully recoverable funds from the federal government,
but one of the largest reasons is the cost of servicing our debt; the fact that
this province, because of the fiscal crisis we found the province in in late
2015-2016 and the fact we had to borrow over $3 billion, the fact that we have
Muskrat Falls and Nalcor.
We've
had to continuously borrow money for Nalcor, Mr. Chair. The cost of servicing
the debt continues to increase. The cost of servicing the debt is the second
highest spend in the province.
Mr.
Chair, unlike in the private sector, in the public sector severance is an earned
benefit that continues to accrue each year, or continued to accrue each year,
leading to a significant and growing financial liability. Through collective
agreements that we've reached with NAPE, CUPE, the NLTA and the Registered
Nurses' Union to pay out severance to employees that had accrued to the point of
the collective agreement, we were able to eliminate that long-term liability
from government's books.
We had
to borrow last year to pay out severance. We had to borrow again this year to
pay out severance. This ensures that these employees receive what they have
earned and it also ensures that we end the ongoing severance liability in future
years. To date, Mr. Chair, we have over $250 million paid out in severance
payments. Severance payments will continue in 2019-20 with CUPE, the NLTA and
the Registered Nurses' Union.
The
elimination of this severance is something that past governments had tried to
achieve. It's something the federal government have undertaken and recognized,
and it's something that was so important that in other provinces they've done
the same thing. In fact, in Nova Scotia they've actually put legislation in
place in order to eliminate severance.
Mr.
Chair, borrowing isn't only about severance. It's also about giving us the
ability to support programs and program delivery, such as infrastructure across
all departments. I hope that I've laid out today why we need to borrow and why
we hope that in the near future we can continue – by continuing to reduce our
borrowing requirements, that we won't have to borrow in 2023.
We've
committed to the public to right the ship and to get the province's finances
back on track. It remains my primary focus as the Minister of Finance and
President of Treasury Board. It remains the primary focus of all Members on this
side of the Legislature.
With
that, Mr. Chair, I will welcome debate.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for Cape
St. Francis.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. K. PARSONS:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair.
A little
bit of a rush, I was speaking to my colleague there.
Mr.
Chair, it is indeed a privilege to get up here again today, and as I always say,
to represent the District of Cape St. Francis and the beautiful people in the
District of Cape St. Francis.
Mr.
Chair, we're after having an interesting debate here the last number of days,
and it's interesting to talk to the general public. I believe this election this
time was – when we were knocking on doors and we had conversations, and people
are after looking at what's after happening, I think people are a little bit
excited and maybe saying this may be a good thing. That's what people are
looking at, it's a good thing that everybody is going to have a voice and
everybody is going to have a say, because that's what it seems like.
To get
to the point that we had an election, people were very disappointed. They were
disappointed, and I'm not going to blame one side, I'm not going to blame the
other side, but I guess they were disappointed in the whole process. They were
disappointed that there was a budget called and it never got a chance to get
debated. They were disappointed that it was a snap election called. They were
disappointed in the way the economy is running. They were disappointed in a lot
of different ways.
The
people of the province had a chance to speak, and they spoke. They gave us all a
speech, really. They told us what they wanted. They wanted co-operation. They
wanted the people – and listen, you can say what you want. I'm sure that every
Member here in this Legislature, we're all here for the right reasons. I hope we
are. I hope we're here to represent our province, and hopefully we're here to
make sure that the future of this province is bright and we're here for people
that are vulnerable in our society and people that really need our help.
So I'm
not here this day to criticize government. I'm here to say, listen, we got a job
to do and we got to do it. The people of the province have spoken. They looked
for a new approach, and they expect us to be in here and look for a new
approach. We have an obligation to them to show a new approach.
Mr.
Chair, they want Opposition to work with government, but they want government to
listen to the Opposition also. They want to listen to our ideas, and not only
the Official Opposition, I'm sure the Third Party and the independents behind,
everybody. When you talk minority government to people, people say that means
that everybody's got a voice. So that's the voice we're hoping that people are
going to listen to.
I know
the Minister of Finance got up and he's talking about cost and added cost. I
think yesterday he said something like a couple of hundred million dollars
they've added to government, and his door is open and everything else and that
we can go over. Well, we made some suggestions, and the suggestions we made were
from people that we – when I knocked on doors. People talked to me about these
eight things that we mentioned too, and I'm going to go over them now. I'm going
to say, yes, sometimes there is a cost to it.
I'm sure
if we went – and we're all doing Estimates right now. If you looked at the line
to line items in Estimates, I'm sure government and government officials –
government has the ability to make changes because they know the numbers. They
have officials working in their departments who can look at these numbers and
say, well, we can adjust this. We've got money in for that, maybe we can let
that go. That's the way a budget works, and that's how things work in the
province.
We
talked about what we heard at the doorsteps, what we heard people tell us. I'm
going to go through these now in a brief little way. People talked about the
levy. They talked to me about: Kevin, it's absolutely crazy that we have to pay
a tax just to live in this province. That's what they thought and that's what
they said. Why are we paying a tax to live here? Sure, it's just as well – let's
move away and not pay that tax. But I tell them, listen, I'm never going to move
away. I think it's the greatest province in Canada and I think it's a great
place to live. People said this levy is a tax for us just to live here.
Even the
government committee that they set up said it's really aggressive. People don't
want it. If you talk to somebody who's coming here and they look at taxes, they
look at recreation areas, they look at education, they look at health care, but
the cost of living here, to pay a tax just to live here in this province. So we
suggested that maybe that would be a good way to encourage people to come. Maybe
that would be a good way for people to stay. If we can encourage people to come
and we can encourage people to stay, we'll get more money from taxes and that
will build on our revenues. So that's the reason for saying eliminate this.
We just
put a bill through the House here now and we talked about tax on insurance, and
insurance on cars and vehicles and we're going to eliminate that. We also need
tax on our homes. Again, we talked about a lot of people yesterday. I know I got
up yesterday and I spoke about my neighbour who is 82 years old and on a fixed
income and what that tax did to him.
The
removal of a tax on a home. The worst thing you can hear if you're in a small
community in Newfoundland and Labrador is about a fire in a home. The very first
question that a person will ask – do you know the first question they'll ask? Do
they have insurance? If they got insurance, it's a relief. Oh my God, good, I'm
glad they got insurance. Do you know what? If they don't have insurance, what do
you think? That poor individual. How are they going to survive? How are they
going to get by?
Now, as
Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, I can tell you right now, in my district over
the years, and my father was a big part of this, we had two real disasters.
There were lives lost. My dad went and he fundraised. He did everything he could
and built them new homes. They never had insurance, but that happens.
Like I
said, just think about it. When you have a fire in a community, it's the first
thing you ask. So home insurance is important. If we take the tax off and that
means that 20 per cent or 15 per cent more people insure their homes, that's a
great thing. That's not a bad thing, and it will help down the road.
I look
at this, and I look at the families in Newfoundland and Labrador. I grew up in a
community and it always amazed me. I remember going around with one of the
former members before me, Mr. Jack Byrne, and we were knocking on doors one day.
We went to Mr. and Mrs. Houlihan's house in Flatrock, and we were there too long
and I got mad with Jack. I said: Jack, b'y, we're in here too long. He said:
Kevin, don't worry about it, they got 18 children. The missus, she'll be talking
to everyone of them today, so we don't need to go to any of their houses.
Back
then, people had – a regular house, I'd say, it was five or six children. Today,
families can't afford no more than one. We have to do something in this province
to – my son and my daughter have one. I have one grandchild from each one of
them. I'd like to have 10 from each one of them, but I know that's not possible.
We have
to encourage our young people to stay in this province. An affordable child care
program, maybe this will encourage people to stay in our province, maybe it will
encourage our workforce – we need people in our workforce, and maybe we'll
increase our population. I say to the Minister of Finance, that's not $200
million. Down the road, we need to increase the people living here.
Someone
said here the other day in a report that we could be as low as 470,000 people by
2030. These are options we brought, and these are not options that we said: Put
it in your budget today; put it in your budget. But consider these.
We
looked at medical transportation, another thing. We look all around this
province – again, I tell you, I always say it and I'll keep on saying it, we're
so fortunate to live with people who are so caring. I told you a week earlier
about a fundraiser we did for a young guy down here and raised $14,000. In a lot
of cases, when it comes to medical transportation and stuff, it's the people of
the province who come together to help with the cost to a family.
It could
be a child going away, it could be anyone. It could be a loved one. It could be
a grandparent. It could be anyone who needs it, but medical transportation – we
want people to stay happy. We want people to stay healthy. We don't want them to
miss their appointments. That's a savings, again, to the health care system.
I tell
you, I was really surprised by the next one I'm going to talk a little bit
about, is insulin pumps. Now, I am a type 2 diabetic. I only found out about it
five or six years ago, and I didn't realize how important insulin pumps are
until you talk to a person who's on insulin.
Going
around knocking on doors, I didn't realize how important this was until you talk
to the mom, you talk to the grandmother and you talk to the aunt who has a
member in their family who needs an insulin pump. The cost of these insulin
pumps are high. You're looking at about $7,000.
I
applaud government. I applaud you. You did the first step, there's no doubt
about it. The first step is a great step that anybody who is, right now, getting
an insulin pump up to 25, they can continue and they will be paid for, but I
think it's important that we get everybody on insulin pumps. Again, I say to the
Minister of Finance, it's a savings.
We had
four young doctors come into our caucus, they were at your caucus and they were
at the NDP's caucus also. They showed us that this investment will save millions
and millions and millions of dollars down the road. We'll have a healthier
society. Less amputations, less people with strokes.
A big
thing with diabetes is your eyesight. Less operations to keep your eyesight and
less hospital visits. So it's an investment, and that's why we put that in there
on the insulin pumps.
I
listened to the Minister of Education today talk about the 1.6, and I'll say to
him – I've been around for 11 years and I was on that side of the House, I'm on
this side of the House now and the petition was always put back and forth on
that, okay. I seriously believe this a policy – perhaps we could bring it in as
a pilot. Bring it in as a pilot in some areas and just pick a couple of areas
where it's really hard, like, with roads.
My
colleague from Conception Bay East - Bell Island today got up and said all the
reasons why, like, the winding roads. The one reason I look at, the biggest
thing is probably our climate. We don't know what's happening from one day to
the other.
If you
go down in Torbay, for example, they have to walk 1.6 kilometres and go up over
the north side hill on a slippery day. I can't do it, so how do we expect
children in grade kindergarten to grade six take that walk to Juniper Ridge
every day? I just think it's something we really have to look at.
As time
has changed over the years, I think safety has to be number one. Now, maybe
there'll be areas where there are sidewalks, where we won't need to – let's look
at the whole thing. I'm sure if we work together we can find a solution for
areas that are really in desperate need for this, and that's something we should
be doing.
Mr.
Chair, my colleague from Grand Falls-Windsor brought up the other day and talked
about the dignity of dying and how important it is to have a place for a family,
and not only the family, for that individual to die with dignity. I'll go back
to when my mom was passing away, the one thing she said to me was: let me die
with my dignity. And that's all we're asking for here.
I
applaud government for going to Grand Falls. They went to Grand Falls during the
election and made a promise. Let me tell you something right now, that's a
promise I'm hoping you're going to keep, because our loved ones, everyone in
this House, everyone in Newfoundland should be able to die with dignity. I'm not
sure what the cost was on that; I'm not sure. Again, I'll say to the Minister of
Finance, you can't put a cost on that either. That's not increasing the budget.
I'm sure if we look at the line items again, you'll be able to find something on
this.
Mr.
Chair, the people of the province spoke to us as we knocked on their doors. They
gave us what they were looking for. I could stand here today and I could talk to
the Minister of Transportation and get up here and tell him all the needs that I
need in my District of Cape St. Francis, all the needs with roadwork down in my
district, and I'm sure there would be millions of dollars to spend. I could talk
to the Minister of Health and tell him about all the needs that everybody wants.
I'd like to see some kind of an intake or something down in Torbay. I'd like to
see that, but I'm realistic.
These
asks that we ask for, we thought about it. This wasn't just thrown on a piece of
paper and say here, look, give it to the Premier and let him have a look at
this. These were thought out. This is what we heard from the people at the door.
When I
talk about child care, I'm serious about child care. I want to see our
population grow. I want to see families, in particular young people, be able to
work. In a lot of cases, if you have two or three children and your job is $12
an hour or $13 an hour, guess what? It's better off for you and your family if
you stay home. We can't have young people staying home, we need them in the
workforce. So that's the reason why we put that in there.
I ask
government to have a look at it, and I hope you will.
Thank
you very much, Mr. Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Minister of
Transportation and Works.
MR. CROCKER:
Thank you very much, Mr.
Chair.
It's
great to have the opportunity this afternoon to stand and take a few minutes and
talk about today's bill. Then, in particular, we'll take some time to talk about
Budget 2019 and its impact on the
province and some of the great things that are coming out of this year's budget.
First
and foremost, Mr. Chair, like any time you stand here, I want to thank the
people of Carbonear - Trinity - Bay de Verde for the opportunity to actually be
here and represent them.
Mr.
Chair, this afternoon I'm going to take a few minutes to focus on the
infrastructure plan and the infrastructure budget as it's presented in this
year's budget related to Transportation and Works. I look forward in the coming
weeks to having more opportunities to talk about the budget and its effect on my
district, but also on the Department of Transportation and Works.
In
Budget 2019, we're allocating some
$561 million in this province for existing schools, health care facilities,
roads and bridges, and justice facilities. These are public infrastructure
projects that are extremely important to everybody in the province, no matter
where you live, and it's something that we see year after year, a growing need
for public infrastructure.
Mr.
Chair, this year, for example, we're going to see – we've seen, actually. We've
seen the first concrete being poured at Coley's Point Elementary. We're going to
see construction on a new school in Gander, Paradise and St. Alban's; new
60-bed, long-term care homes in Gander and Grand Falls; a 20-bed protective care
unit at the Hugh Twomey Healthy Centre in Botwood.
Mr.
Chair, one of the greatest accomplishments or one of the greatest things we're
going to see come out of this year's budget, and it's been a long time coming, a
decade, is the new Western Memorial Hospital, or the new Corner Brook hospital.
This has been talked about for far too long.
We're
just weeks away from an announcement that's going to see this piece of
infrastructure – I think I said earlier today – what will be the largest,
single, public infrastructure build in the history of the West Coast of this
province, approaching some $600 million. During construction we're going to see,
combined with the new long-term care centre in Corner Brook, approximately 4,300
person-years of employment and impacts in the economy of some $500 million.
One of
the things we've talked about a lot here in this House recently and in our
department is making sure that we get all of the benefits, or as many benefits
as possible out of this project for the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.
Whether it's our subcontractors, whether it's our workers and local businesses.
We're going to see tremendous impact on the West Coast of the province.
Everything from retail to restaurants, to all of the above when you look at the
opportunities, the infusion of some $500 million, $600 million is going to have
on that region.
We talk
about encouraging companies, or contractors and subcontractors to hire
Newfoundland and Labrador workers, and that's something we've been doing. We've
been working with Trades NL. Just this past Monday, I had the opportunity to sit
down with Trades NL and have a conversation about how we create an environment
where companies look to Newfoundland and Labrador workers first. This benefits
all of us.
Every
single time that we can keep a Newfoundlander or a Labradorian home working in
this province, we all benefit. We benefit from the tax dollars that are derived
from their income, and, Mr. Chair, we also benefit from their impact on the
economy and where they're spending their money, because we all know people spend
their money primarily at home.
One of
the things we did very early in this project, last fall, when we selected the
two proponents that would actually be competing for the new Corner Brook
hospital is we hosted a business-to-business session in Corner Brook, and it was
extremely successful. Over 80 companies, 80 subcontractors from this province
actually showed up in Corner Brook that day to have an opportunity to meet the
main contractors that will be building this $600-million facility. We gave them
the opportunity to introduce themselves to the companies building this building
so that these companies could know what's available here in Newfoundland and
Labrador.
Mr.
Chair, if our subcontractors and contractors are working, that means their
employees, who are Newfoundlanders and Labradorians, are working. That's very
important to us, Mr. Chair. As we get closer to the announcement of the
successful proponent for the new Corner Brook hospital, we will make sure that
we make every effort to ensure that it's Newfoundland and Labrador workers on
these jobs.
The
Member for Humber - Bay of Islands has made this a mission of his, and I applaud
him for that and the work he's done around this file. I can assure him, and
every other Member of this House, that one thing we will do is make sure that
every opportunity that we can help afford to Newfoundland and Labrador workers
will happen.
At the
end of these projects, it's also important as well, Mr. Chair, because we talk
about the construction phase of hospitals and long-term care centres, after the
construction is the asset. Let's not lose sight of the valuable asset that will
be in Corner Brook when this new acute care hospital is complete.
We're
going to see cancer care on the West Coast of this province for the fist time. I
know it's something the MHAs for the West Coast have been fighting for, for a
long time, and it's very important that these assets are going to be there for
the people of the West Coast. We're going to see new jobs in Corner Brook.
Because one thing our Premier has been very clear on, even though we're using a
different method of building this building through design, finance, build and
maintain, the employees inside these doors, the employees inside the walls will
be public sector employees, Mr. Chair, which is a very important part of how we
move forward with these type of projects.
Mr.
Chair, something we were able to announce just a short few weeks ago was the
replacement of Her Majesty's Penitentiary. When you think about that facility
and the impact it has on our province, it is long, long overdue, but it's a very
important piece of infrastructure.
There is
money allocated this year in the budget to get the planning for that facility
started. We're about 30 to 36 months out from actual construction. If you look
at the projects we've done, whether it's the Corner Brook acute care facility or
the Central long-term care, it takes about 30 to 36 months for planning. This is
a very important part as we move forward, a new penitentiary.
I think
the other achievement that we've seen in infrastructure, and it's in this year's
budget, is the replacement of the Victoria era, the Waterford, the mental health
facility. Mr. Chair, this has been talked about far, far too long. We've now
found a way to actually do that, and by doing it, we're listening. We're
listening to the community, we're listening to the people who are affected most
by this.
Remember, people with mental health and addictions issues are known to all of
us. They're our families, they're our friends. For somebody to think that mental
health and addictions issues aren't something that affects them, well, they
better look around quite quickly because one in four people in this province
are, at some point in time, affected by these issues.
We heard
quite clearly that that community wanted their facility attached to the Health
Sciences Centre, and we've found a way to do this. People stand up and ask
questions around how we're going to do it, building berms and why we're doing it
in that manner. We saw back in 2014, there were challenges at the Health
Sciences Centre around Hurricane Igor. Back then, long before there was ever any
conversation about building a new mental health facility at that site, there
were conversations for a need for a berm to hold back the circumstance we find
ourselves in in today's climate.
If you
think about the Health Sciences Centre just for a minute, all the operating
rooms, the very, very expensive equipment and importance of that section in that
hospital is located in the basement, along with many other services. We see the
construction of a new $300-million core sciences building at Memorial.
We see
the footprint of the Health Sciences Centre continuously growing, Mr. Chair.
That's planned for many more years to come to see growth there, and we found a
way to do it. First, with the north berm. Now we're going to add an extra layer
of protection with the south berm.
We're
not only protecting the new mental health and addictions facility, we're also
protecting the operating rooms and the valuable infrastructure that's already
existing on that site and the infrastructure that's being built on that site
today. There's construction on that site. There's expansion happening as we
speak. It also helps protect assets, like I mentioned a moment ago, the new core
sciences building.
Mr.
Chair, I notice my time is running out, but before I conclude, I just want to
take a minute to talk about the investments this year we're making in road
infrastructure. Last year, we invested $152 million into road infrastructure in
this province. This year, we'll be even investing a little bit more. This year,
we'll be investing $165 million into road infrastructure in this province;
significant investment.
We
realize there are many challenges with road infrastructure in this province,
some 10,000 kilometres; by far the most kilometres per capita of any province in
Canada. There are many challenges when it comes to that. We're addressing them
as efficiently and as quickly as we can and getting the best value for money.
Mr.
Chair, I notice my time is expired. So I look forward to having an opportunity
further in debate to have some more remarks.
Thank
you, Mr. Chair.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for
Humber - Bay of Islands.
MR. JOYCE:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'll
just stand for a few minutes to have a few words on that. I'm encouraged by the
minister's remarks that they'll work and do whatever they can for the local
people of the province at the hospital in Corner Brook.
Mr.
Chair, I just want to go back a nice ways on the hospital. We're going back,
probably, to about to 2007 when the first announcement was made on the hospital
but never materialized. We were in Opposition, and the premier at the time was
meeting the Opposition and myself, and we raised a lot of questions. I know the
Member for Corner Brook was helping us a lot also in bringing this to attention
for the hospital in Corner Brook.
Mr.
Chair, we stood up day after day after day to fight for the hospital and the
long-term care in Corner Brook. We went through many, many, many stumbling
blocks for the hospital in Corner Brook. With the radiation unit, that was one
of the commitments we wanted in Corner Brook. So people from the West Coast now
had an option to stay in Corner Brook so they wouldn't have to drive to St.
John's.
We
encountered many obstacles, and it wasn't just me, but I know I was their
frontrunner because I asked many questions in the House. I was on
Open Line. I disputed every, single,
negative remark about it from the government at the time. I still remember, one
of them was you couldn't have a single bunker alone. You couldn't have a single
bunker.
So, Mr.
Chair, we went off and we found places with single bunkers, like Sydney, Nova
Scotia and PEI. Sudbury has a satellite – Sudbury, Ontario. We went all around
the globe and we found single bunkers. So we eliminated that excuse.
Then
they were talking about the isotopes couldn't be transferred. They were too
dangerous to bring across the Island, and we disputed that. I think, if I
remember correctly, in London, Ontario they were sending it 1,500 kilometres to
the University of Saskatchewan. If I remember correctly, 1,500 kilometres, three
times a week, flying them out. So we disputed that false information that was
put out there.
I know
with the long-term care beds – we're going to have the rehabilitation unit in
the long-term care also. It's going to make major improvements for the seniors
in the area, and all of Western Newfoundland.
Also, I
remember back in the time when we were in the Opposition there was a major union
rally outside when they were talking about P3s, that it was going to be
privatized and there'd be people coming in just for profit. We, as the
Opposition then, made a commitment that we're going to have unionized workers,
public sector workers at the long-term care in the hospital.
I
remember walking out on the steps of Confederation Building in front of 300 to
400 union workers, and I stood up and I made that comment. Some people didn't
believe me; a lot did. We walked out on behalf of the Opposition – the Premier
was the Leader of the Opposition at the time – and we stated we would hire
public sector workers, and public sector workers will be working in the hospital
in long-term care. The government has kept that commitment, and I have no doubt
that with the expertise of the public sector workers, that the patients will
receive excellent care in the long-term care and the hospital.
I always
said, the happiest day I'm going to have as a politician in my term is the first
patient from Western Newfoundland, whoever it may be, when they can stay in
Corner Brook and have radiation treatment in Corner Brook instead of having to
come to St. John's with that dreaded disease and not have family around and not
be home to at least have a bit of comfort through that disease. That's going to
be a proud moment for me as a person from the West Coast.
I know
at the time, the person who really pushed for the radiation unit, and I got to
give him credit, was the former premier and Minister of Finance, Tom Marshall. I
said it before and I'll say it again, I remember disputing all the information
that was being put out by the government at the time and meeting Tom Marshall
many times behind the curtain.
I
remember this time when they were talking about single bunker units. I gave Tom
Marshall, behind that curtain, two names. One was a person from PEI and one
person from Sydney, Nova Scotia, who ran the single bunker units. To that man's
credit – and I always said this, it took a long while to get him there, but when
he got there – Tom Marshall, on a Saturday or Sunday morning, phoned those
people. They were shocked that the premier of the Province of Newfoundland and
Labrador would call them. He called them. They told him, yes, they started off
with a single bunker unit and now they're up to two because of the demand.
Tom
Marshall, to his credit, came back with his government, the PC government at the
time, and put out a $500,000 study which proved that a radiation unit can be put
in Corner Brook. I just wanted to recognize that, because he stood against a lot
of information that his own party had and gave out. I got to give Tom Marshall
credit for that and I just want to recognize him, and I always did. Then when
the current Premier took over, he committed to follow through with the radiation
unit, as he did in the Opposition, and follow through with public sector
workers.
So, all
in all, when people think we don't co-operate, we do. We may not always show it
in this House sometimes, we do have a to and fro, but I can assure you many
times when it comes to the health of people, we always do work together, and
that was a prime example of how we did it.
I also
want to talk about Corner Brook Pulp and Paper; the stability at Corner Brook
Pulp and Paper with the pensioners and the workers themselves, having their
pensions now tied in to the power plant in Deer Lake. A lot of the pensions at
the time, some were down to 78 per cent, up to 80, going back and forth. Now
it's 100 per cent fully funded.
Once we
tied into the power plant, it gave the companies some room to manoeuvre their
own funds to make improvements to the mill. The mill is operating now, Mr.
Chair, and has a great future. That was a lot of work, and I know the Premier
was involved with that. I was involved with that, and I know the Member for
Corner Brook was involved with that and a few others were involved. So that's
how we all work together, and we do work together.
I just
want to speak on Humber - Bay of Islands for a second. I asked a question to the
minister today about some roadwork that needs to be done. There was one slip
there in Copper Mine Brook. I made the minister aware of it and he's having his
staff look at it, that it's dangerous. It is dangerous. It has dropped. It is
very, very dangerous. The minister has committed his engineers to go out and
have a look to see what we can do. I know it will be done and I know they will
have a look at it and I thank the minister for that.
In other
areas, there is work being done – that work from 2011, as I said earlier, wasn't
completed last year. It wasn't because the contract wasn't let. It wasn't
because the department was holding it up, it was because we had an early winter.
It was unsafe with the grade and the slide. It was unsafe to even continue to
work with the houses below. So on that alone, I explained that to the residents
out there, that was just weather conditions.
There is
some other work that we're looking at in the John's Beach area. The minister has
committed that his staff will look at it and see what they can do. Because a lot
of that, I still feel, is part of the flood itself. When you have a small area
of less than a kilometre, and you have eight, 10 tractors and the road gets torn
up, obviously, when they had to release a lot of ice and clear a lot of culverts
and dig up part of the road, that's all part and parcel. I thank the Minister of
Transportation and Works for looking at that and seeing what can be done.
Also,
and I know a lot of people in this House don't realize it, but one of the major
employment opportunities in Humber - Bay of Islands is the fisheries. I'm sure
people don't even realize it. Down in Benoit's Cove, in Curling and in Cox's
Cove, and all the fishermen on both sides of the bay, it's a major employer.
The
fisheries is very important to Humber - Bay of Islands. When you're seeing three
plants operating and you see so many fisherpeople working in the district, you
realize how important it is to the economy, not just to Humber - Bay of Islands
but the whole Corner Brook area. We have to, and I know that everybody is very
vigilant of the fisheries and we must work with Ottawa to see what we can do to
keep improving the fisheries; great employment opportunities, great secondary
opportunities in the fish plant. That is very important to a lot of people in
the District of Humber - Bay of Islands.
I see I
have 40 seconds left, Mr. Chair. I just want to close and thank the people of
Humber - Bay of Islands for their continued support. Like I always said, you
don't win an election in 30 days. You win it three or four years prior.
When the
people in the District of Humber - Bay of Islands told that to me, as a person
who's been around, be yourself, be out on the basketball court coaching and
still being – sometimes getting frustrated, hauling your hair out with grades
four, five and sixes and we're all having a laugh, I appreciate that. When you
can walk your dogs in the morning with your shorts and T-shirt on, everybody
expects it. You don't have to put on your suit and tie, they expect it.
Mr.
Chair, I just want to thank all the people from the Humber - Bay of Islands. I
will have another opportunity to speak again.
Thank
you.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for St.
John's Centre.
MR. J. DINN:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I guess
part of my discussion here is about, how do we reframe the discussion around
taxation and government spending? I think we need to look at that in that
discussion.
It's
interesting that Nordic countries have been ranked consistently as the world's
best countries to live in. They're fair societies with both high economic
productivity and an unequalled quality of life. They also pay a considerable
amount on taxes as well.
I'm
going to say something now that maybe we don't always think about, but paying
taxes is the price I pay, and we pay, for living in a democratic society.
We talk
about, and I've heard it here several times, the notion of reducing taxes to put
it back into the pockets of people so they can spend. I would agree with that,
except in the end – and I've heard here in the same breath, discussions where
people: we've got to reduce taxes, we've got to find efficiencies. At the same
time, we all need government investment in certain – whether it's health care,
roads, busing, you name it.
I like
to look at with regard to businesses, anyone setting up shop here. Let's look at
it from this point of view. When a person is hiring, we pay for roads. I want a
road. I want to be able to drive from one end of the province to the other. I
want an airport that I can go to. I want hospitals. I want schools for my
children and for my grandchildren. I want these services.
Really,
when you look at it, they are incentives for any business or any corporation to
come here because it means that's one less thing that should be factored into
their business plan. Those incentives, as such, are things that companies will
not have to pay for.
We've
got a health care plan that's universal. We have hospitals. We have a water
system for clean drinking water. We have all those things. That's what taxes pay
for.
So it's
great to talk about efficiencies and reducing the tax burden, but somewhere
along the line the question you have to ask is: What is it that we want, and
what are we prepared to cut? I see taxes as an investment in society and, as I
said, it's the price I pay for living in this society.
I heard
earlier the Minister of Finance talk about the cutting of severance and how
other jurisdictions are doing it. This is a good thing when we start looking at
numbers, and from a purely numbers point of view. But, in the end, what's the
long-term effect on that if we reduce the benefits of the profession to the
point where it's no longer an incentive to become a teacher. What's the
long-term consequences? What are the costs/ Have we factored that into it?
Teaching
is a high pressure profession. There are a lot of intrinsic rewards that come
from teaching, from getting feedback from your students and seeing them succeed,
but teachers still need to leave. I'll give you a few stats of what we're
seeing, and this can be tied directly to spending cuts.
Employee
Assistance Program stats indicate a significant increase in the number of
teachers accessing counselling supports, from 10 per cent of the total teaching
population in 2015-2016 to almost 13 per cent in 2017-2018, and it continues to
increase. That's accessing our own Employee Assistance Program.
We also
know that personal work stress accounted for 51 per cent of the EAP cases in
2015-2016. That increased to almost 56 per cent in 2017-2018, and 43 per cent of
those teachers are off on extended leave or long-term disability due to mental
health issues. The average age of people accessing EAP for these reasons is 41,
that's lower than last year. So we're seeing an epidemic.
We've
had report after report that shows that class size affects the quality of
education, but it's also having a detrimental effect on the teachers in the
school system; yet, we continue to strip away whatever benefits there are to the
profession. If we're looking at attracting the brightest and the best to
professions, we're doing the very opposite in our budget, and our chickens will
come home to roost.
It's
interesting that a story came out yesterday, it's on several news feeds:
“Canadian corporations dodged up to $11B in taxes in a year.” We're talking
about making efficiencies; yet, corporations and wealthy Canadians are getting
out of paying their fair share. What are we doing about that? Bigger companies
seem to be responsible for a bigger chunk of the amount. Small companies, not so
much.
To me,
when I hear talk about taxes and about the – no one wants to pay taxes. I want
to keep money in my pockets but I also want to keep the services that I depend
on available. That's road services. That's ferry services. That's education.
That's health, you name it. If we want them, we have to be willing to pay for
them.
Thank
you.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Minister of
Education and Early Childhood Development.
MR. WARR:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It's a
pleasure to get up again to speak today. Last Wednesday, when I got an
opportunity to stand in my place to speak to the budget, I had the opportunity
to talk about my position as Minister of Education and Early Childhood
Development and all the good things that are happening within that department. I
never really took the opportunity, Mr. Chair, to talk about my district because
I ran out of time, unfortunately.
I'd like
to take the opportunity today to just stand and give an indication of how the
budget has affected my district and, again, to take the opportunity to thank the
many people of the District of Baie Verte - Green Bay; a district that I've had
the pleasure of growing up in and I've had the opportunity now for a term to
represent.
In
saying that, Mr. Chair, for those of us in this House of Assembly that are
representing constituents in urban districts, it's a lot different when you come
from a district like Baie Verte - Green Bay. You take 40 communities that are in
my district – and I think the Minister of TCII had mentioned today in his
delivery that he represents a district with over 50 communities. That's a big
district, and I'm sure it's a busy district. I have the kilometres on my vehicle
which states that I, too, have a large district. Certainly, a great place to
live, a great place to work, a great place to raise children, but we have our
issues with infrastructure that I deal with on a continued basis.
It's
never easy when the province is in the fiscal situation that we are in today.
While people are continuing to demand the services, a lot of it today has been
patchwork, basically because that's the position that we're in. While that's
unfortunate, Mr. Chair, we have to make the best of what we have.
One of
the things I am most proud of, Mr. Chair, is the long-awaited Springdale
hospital. The Minister of Transportation and Works alluded to it today in his
delivery. We've been since, maybe in the early '50s – actually, Springdale has
one of two cottage hospitals left in the province. I think the other one is in
Fogo Island - Cape Freels. I think they still have a cottage hospital in their
district in –
AN HON. MEMBER:
(Inaudible.)
MR. WARR:
Maybe in Brookfield? Certainly, the long-awaited hospital is being replaced. In
Budget 2019, should it pass, there's
$9.1 million that's been allocated to finish that project. It's a welcomed
addition, not only to the community but to the district; and, in particular, the
Green Bay side of the district.
I just
want to speak briefly to the rural cellular projects. Again, the Minister of
TCII alluded to that today and I have to say thank you very much because I've
had two communities within my district and a third that's on the fence right now
of investing community funds into that project. That was the community of King's
Point and the community of Middle Arm, and Burlington has been making phone
calls to me lately, Mr. Chair, and they want in on that project as well.
While
we've enjoyed the benefits of communication within most of the district, or most
of the province, there are a lot of communities in my district that have
absolutely – actually, we have it on the Trans-Canada Highway as well – no way
of communication. Certainly, it's not up to par compared to some other places in
the province. So I'm happy, and so are the people in my district, to see that
rural cellular project come to fruition.
Mr.
Chair, I want to talk about fire and emergency services. I had the opportunity
last weekend to be joined by my federal counterpart, Scott Simms, who's the MP
for my district. We travelled to the community of Coachman's Cove and had the
opportunity to share an evening with the wonderful people from Coachman's Cove.
That's a
community, Mr. Chair, that I had the opportunity to bring the Minister of
Municipal Affairs, fire and emergency services, to that community just before
the writ was dropped, to have a look at exactly what condition their department
was in. We had expertise from Fire Chief Lorne Head, who is with the Baie Verte
fire department.
Mr.
Chair, I just wanted to briefly say how disgusting the equipment is. That
department is full of mould, it's outdated. These wonderful people, wonderful
volunteers who are providing a service, a vital service, Mr. Chair, to our
communities, how that was able to get to the condition that it is, I'm not so
sure, but I know we're starting to get that rolled out and have a commitment as
well from that department to make sure we get suitable equipment put in that
community.
While
I'm talking about that, Mr. Chair, I have to talk about the community of Little
Bay as well. Again, another community within my district and a community that's
representing – that fire department is representing four communities. The
community of Little Bay, Coffee Cove, St. Patrick's and Beachside.
Mr.
Chair, they've taken the opportunity as a fire department – again, under the
leadership of Fire Chief Steve Walker – to build, totally on their own, a new
fire hall. Right now, an absolutely fabulous piece of work that they've created,
only to have a truck that's a, I think, maybe 1980 or '81. We've committed to
putting a decently used vehicle into that fire department and we hope that that
will alleviate some of their concerns for the short time in hopes that their
application will progress through the system.
Mr.
Chair, I want to, again, talk about the fishery. My colleague across the way is
always taking the opportunity, as the Fisheries critic, to get up and talk about
the fishery. I want to say that we have engagement from time to time on the
fishery and we share the same concerns, Mr. Chair. They are concerns about a
vital piece of our economy here in Newfoundland, and that is the fishery.
It's
great to see crab in my district this year. There's been an abundance of crab,
very little soft shell. While the price was up, the price got reduced but
brought back up again, Mr. Chair, and we're certainly happy to see that.
Again,
my colleague had talked about the mackerel fishery, and I want to talk about the
importance of that fishery to my district as well.
As well,
Mr. Chair, I want to talk about sealing. We talk about the devastation that the
seal population has on our fishery. I have a seal plant actually in my district,
in the beautiful community of Fleur de Lys. Right now, Mr. Chair, that seal
plant is not operating; or, if it is, in a very small capacity. We had 15 to 20,
to 25 people working in that plant last year. Obviously, that's not happening
this year. I have it on my radar to again have my discussions with the Minister
of Fisheries and Land Resources to see what we can do to help out the community
of Fleur de Lys.
Mr.
Chair, again, I'm not going to get through my notes but I certainly want to take
the opportunity to thank the wonderful people from Baie Verte - Green Bay. It's
been a pleasure being their MHA and I look forward to serving them in the
future.
Thank
you, Mr. Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for
Bonavista.
MR. PARDY:
Mr. Chair, thank you for the
opportunity.
I, too,
would like to thank the wonderful the wonderful people of the District of
Bonavista. They've been very supportive, and I'll make every attempt to serve
them to the best of my ability.
Starting
today, I'd like to focus on the District of Bonavista. Tuesday, it was great to
see the repeal of the retail sales tax. I would say to you, if our second
biggest expenditure in our provincial budget in 2019 is servicing the debt that
is gross. We need to get a handle on that and we need to all work together on
making sure to knock that down below education, which we will hold so dear, and
probably below every other one that would be there.
I
commend the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board. Yesterday he
said his door is always open and he asked for efficiencies. I would like to
present some efficiencies, and they're from me representing the District of
Bonavista – some efficiencies. He would like to have efficiencies from every
side. At least I'll do my part representing the District of Bonavista.
The good
minister stated yesterday that the taxation rate in 2016, the personal income
tax rate was 12 per cent. Nothing different than what the 12 per cent personal
income tax rate is for 2016. And I guess he was saying, what's all the noise? I
would say to you, there's a much bigger factor than just the personal income tax
rate of 12 per cent being the same.
The
levy, he said, was ugly. The people of the District of Bonavista were telling me
they agree with the Minister of Finance, it is ugly, and I know it wasn't
received well at either door, regardless of the need. I would challenge that
while the personal income tax rate may remain the same, I would say that it may
be, the current government may be responsible for the biggest difference between
2006 and 2016, and I'll share with you my thinking.
While
the personal income tax stays the same, if we add 300 new taxes to the residents
of the District of Bonavista and expect that they don't see a difference between
their personal income tax rate, I would say that would be incorrect. The amount
of taxation the people of the District of Bonavista have undertaken since 2016,
it is significant.
Let me
add a couple of other things that I would say to you. 2006-2016, I remember the
minister of Fisheries and Land Resources on TV at that time, I'm not sure if he
was in the same portfolio, but he mentioned that if MUN fees were increased
there would be issues. I commend him for that, because as the children left the
Bonavista Peninsula to go to university, their tuition fees did not increase,
but at the door you will find that the cost of housing on university rose
significantly. It was a difference between 2006 and 2016.
The
campus renewal fees increased by a significant amount. It seemed like every year
they were going up, but the tuition fees did not change. Those two items made a
significant difference for the residents who had children going to the
university in St. John's.
The
personal income tax rate remains the same. I would say to you, the playing field
was different.
The
challenge of finding some efficiencies. I would say to you in
The Packet on May 29, a school in
Clarenville in an area of which the real estate is fairly good, probably the
best on – not probably, I would say the strongest on the Bonavista Peninsula,
that school remained vacant for 10 years.
I would
say to you, for 10 years on the Bonavista Peninsula in Clarenville, we saw a
building, an asset from the government, depreciate before our eyes. In 2019, now
they're talking about demolition. They didn't talk about demolition 10 years ago
because everyone speculated as to what the property was worth.
I know
it's not smooth. There are probably complications with the denomination system,
but if somebody said under the guise of efficiency that it takes 10 years to
have an agreement with the denominational system to make sure that you have
clear title to that property to sell it, they would say that it doesn't take
that long.
I
remember the news when I. J. Samson became available. I think
The Telegram might have said $2 million for that property. That was
in 2016. I think it sold for $189,000. I would say to you, to qualify that,
there might have been some hazardous material that was in there that had a
dollar figure that might have complicated it, too.
If we're
looking at efficiencies, look at school buildings that become vacated in
high-valued areas and maybe we've missed a few million there. I just present
two, I'm sure there are more. The school board office in Clarenville would fall
under that. So add three that would be there.
I would
say in Education that we have thousands of buses that run in our province. With
our northern climate, I would say that while those buses run, there are a
significant number of days during the winter where the buses do not run. We, as
residents of the District of Bonavista, would think that we as taxpayers don't
pay for those buses when there are snowstorms and they don't run. Maybe we only
pay for 20 per cent of them, the days lost where the buses don't run. Maybe it's
60 per cent we pay for. There may be efficiencies there. If we're talking about
looking at the 1.6 busing issue, maybe there might be enough value there within
those school days where the buses don't run, that there may be actual savings in
that time.
In 2016,
the Advanced Education, Skills and Labour office closed. I was in George's Brook
- Milton at the time, but I know there was a resident who parked her trailer at
the time in front of the doors to try to barricade closing of the office. If
we're centralizing offices, sometimes it makes sense.
In
Bonavista, we lost seven employees. They report that four of them conducted
their work via the Internet, electronically. They didn't need to move from
Bonavista to Clarenville in order to do their work if it were electronically.
Seven of them; one moved out of Bonavista to Clarenville. I would say to you,
four or five of them still travel daily to and from, 2½ hours drive a day to
work. I know if we looked at all that travel and the quality of your work, if
some said that wasn't some kind of small impact, then I would say it certainly
is.
The
biggest issue may be the people they served. If they served the most vulnerable
population that would be in the District of Bonavista, now they see one person
from that office that travels once every two weeks to come down, with their day
full, to conduct a service for the residents of the Bonavista Peninsula. If
those people wish to get service outside of that one day every two weeks, they
now have to travel the 2½ hours to Clarenville to get to see somebody for a
service.
I would
say to you, the difference between 2006 and 2016 is different. I didn't do a
whole lot of research on efficiencies. I just stated what we would think would
be efficiencies on the District of Bonavista.
The
office ought not to have closed. There ought to be maybe nothing paid, if the
buses do not run, for that expense with taxpayers' money. If a school becomes
vacant, I would hope that within one year while the property has its highest
value, that we can move that for the betterment of the residents of the
province.
So I
would say those are some efficiencies, and I would hope that at least they can
be noted. If there are inaccuracies in what I stated, I would love to know where
the inaccuracies were.
Thank
you very much, Mr. Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for Mount
Pearl - Southlands.
MR. LANE:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It's
certainly a pleasure to stand and speak once again on this bill.
Mr.
Chair, it's not often that I stand and speak to Transportation and Works or
looking for anything for my area of the woods. Primarily, that's because, of
course, I represent Mount Pearl and St. John's, and all the roads in there are
taken care of by the municipalities. They do receive multi-year capital, as do
all the urban municipalities, for roads, water and sewer that they do receive.
When it comes to roads that would be taken care of by Transportation and Works,
really, there's not a whole lot that applies to my district, other than the
ramps going on and going into and out of Mount Pearl and Southlands. The
department does look after those ramps, and on occasion I will have
conversations with the department when it relates to getting the ramps snow
cleared or lines painted, or potholes patched and so on.
Actually, I had dealings recently with the department as it relates to the
roundabout, which is what I want to really talk about here for a minute. There
are two roundabouts, as people may be familiar with, at the top of Ruth Avenue.
There's one off Ruth Avenue, you cross over Pitts Memorial. There's a second
roundabout going into Galway.
Of
course, I've had people raising concern about the fact that the lines haven't
been painted in those roundabouts. While it can be confusing to a lot of people
at the best of times, we all know that Costco is going to be opening up in
Galway in the next week or so and when that happens, look out, it's going to be
absolutely crazy.
That's
what I want to talk about is the development in Galway and the impact that's
going to have for, not just people now in Galway itself, which Galway is part of
my district, of course, but also the residents of Mount Pearl and residents
throughout the region. The reason for that, Mr. Chair, is when you think about
it – and, again, I know there is a lot more to Galway than just Costco, but we
all know that when Costco opens in Galway it is going to be absolutely crazy,
just the way it is in the east end right now.
Currently, there's only one way to get in there. Well, actually, there are two
ways. If you're someone who's commuting, say, from Bay Roberts or whatever, and
you decide I want to come into town and I want to go into Costco, you can get
into Galway right directly off the Trans-Canada Highway. However, if you're
someone who is living in Mount Pearl or any part of St. John's, or Paradise or
Conception Bay South and so on, and you want to get into Galway, to Costco or
anything else that's going to be built there, the only way you're going to have
to get in there, really, is to go up Pitts Memorial Drive and on to those
roundabouts to get into Galway.
Now,
just think about it for a second. What's going to happen when Costco opens and
all we have is that little roundabout and you're going to have people, like I
said, from Paradise, CBS and all over St. John's trying to get into Galway on
that one little roundabout? Think about what's going to happen in the
roundabout. Think about what's going to happen on those ramps going in there.
Think about what's going to happen on Pitts Memorial Drive. I can picture cars
now coming down over that ramp and halfway to CBS, blocking off lanes and
everything going in there. That's just with Costco alone, not to mention
everything else.
The
bottom line is, and this is not just about Galway and it's not just about
Costco, but the reality of it is, is that Galway itself is going to be a town
the size of Gander. It's a town the size of Gander. It's going to be commercial.
It's going to be residential. There is residential there now. There's retail
there now. There are a couple of buildings in there, and there's going to be
industrial and everything. Like I said, it's going to be the size of Gander. We
need another way to connect people to get in and out of there.
Really,
what is required is going to be some sort of an overpass or probably an
underpass, I would suggest, an underpass on the Trans-Canada Highway, somewhere
close to where the current entrance is on the other side. As I said, if you're
heading eastbound on the Trans-Canada you can go right in, but if you're heading
westbound there's no way to get in. Unless you're going to drive all the way to
Paddy's Pond and take the ramp and go across the overpass down by Cochrane Pond
and come around again, which that's not going to work.
So we
need an underpass constructed somewhere on the Trans-Canada Highway to get
people in and out of Galway. Not just because of Costco, but for that whole area
that's going to be the size of Gander. Again, it's not just about Galway. It's
about Mount Pearl, it's about CBS, it's about St. John's and it's about the
entire region. So I just want to throw that out there.
I have
discussed it briefly with the Minister of Transportation and Works. I'll
certainly be discussing it with our federal MP, Seamus O'Regan, as well, to see
if there's any opportunity with any federal funding. Certainly, I know
government has a five-year Roads Plan. I don't know if that was ever considered
to be part of that plan. Probably not.
I don't
know if they planned for it or thought about it, but I can tell you it's going
to be an issue, and it's not just going to be an issue for me. It's going to be
an issue for Members all throughout the region. The Member for Mount Pearl
North, the Member for Conception Bay South, Conception Bay East - Bell Island,
the Member for Topsail - Paradise, and all the St. John's MHAs are all going to
be impacted by this, or their constituents are going to be impacted by it.
Whether it be people that are trying to access it, whether it be people that are
going to be working in the area. I say to the Minister of Transportation and
Works, we really need to look at constructing some sort of an underpass or
something on the Trans-Canada to get another way in and out of that area. So I
throw that out there.
As I
said, it's not often I would be speaking to something like that, or asking for
something like that, because for the most part my district is taken care of by
the municipalities, but this is a case of, that's something that's going to be
needed. I can say for all the people that are going to be using it in the region
and the economic benefit it's going to have for the province, and certainly for
all the people that are going to be living there, going to be working there, and
people are going to be impacted by the traffic who are all paying a lot of taxes
to the government, then I don't think it's a big ask. So it's certainly
something I would like for the government to consider and it's something that I
will be continuing to raise.
I only
got a couple of minutes left, Mr. Chair, on the clock. So I'm just going to very
quickly – something I've raised a number of times in the House as well, and
that's around accessibility for persons with disabilities. I will give full
credit to the Minister of Service NL and the Minister of Transportation and
Works, I've seen improvements made in a number of the schools. There was a pilot
project done to make schools on the Avalon accessible. I've seen some good work
done at the hospitals, at St. Clare's and at the Health Sciences. You wouldn't
think you would even need to advocate for that to be done, but it wasn't done –
only recently, the last two or three years. They did make improvements there. I
know there's been a lot of work done, but certainly much more has to be done.
We have
lots of public facilities, whether they be schools, health care facilities, AESL
offices or motor registration offices and so on all throughout Newfoundland and
Labrador. When we're talking about public facilities in particular – it
absolutely applies to private facilities as well. They're not getting off the
hook, but when we're talking about public facilities, we must ensure they are
accessible to all of our citizens.
That
doesn't just include having blue zones and signage and so on, it also includes
once you park and you get to the door, you need to have the proper mechanisms
for opening the door. The doors have to be the proper width; they're going to
have washroom facilities there. The doors have to be the proper width, as do the
bathroom stalls and everything else.
So I
encourage the government to continue the good work they've done to date on
improving accessibility.
Thank
you, Mr. Chair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
The hon. the Member for St.
Barbe - L'Anse au Clair – L'Anse aux Meadows, sorry.
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Right. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
MS. DEMPSTER:
It's a beautiful district.
MR. MITCHELMORE:
Certainly, my friend across
the way, L'Anse au Clair, I get to see it almost from my window on the Great
Northern Peninsula, Labrador, the Big Land.
I wanted
to follow up from the Member for Mount Pearl - Southlands, because in Estimates
last night he asked a number of questions on accessibility. I'm happy to report
that our department is committed to enhancing inclusion for persons with
disabilities in all aspects of society.
We've
been working with the Disability Policy Office to improve accessibility features
in our facilities. Our Visitor Information Centres, those buildings, washrooms
and counters are accessible, and ongoing accessibility is a top priority. All
our VICs have designated parking and are accessible from the parking lot with
push-button activated doors, and counsellors have been trained.
Our
parks in 2018 undertook an accessibility audit tool completed by the Coalition
of Persons with Disabilities. The three, year-round park managers have reviewed
the audit tool and have all come back with positive feedback. There are
initiatives we can work towards completing this season, and the audit tool will
help with future planning initiatives.
Our
Provincial Historic Sites make every attempt to facilitate the visitor
experiences for all travellers to enjoy. Provincial Historic Sites offer several
sites and programs that are accessible: the Beothuk Interpretation Centre in
Boyd's Cove in the beautiful District of Lewisporte - Twillingate; the Cape
Bonavista interpretation centre; Heart's Content Cable Station; and the Newman
Wine Vaults are all equipped with accessibility features to aid the visitor
experience for travellers requiring those services.
Over the
past five years, in partnership with Transportation and Works, the Arts and
Culture Centres have undertaken extensive accessibility improvements, St.
John's, Gander and Grand Falls-Windsor. Recently, we completed renovation to
construct an alternative entry point to the Barbara Barrett Basement Theatre in
St. John's, and improvements are ongoing and are considered in future planned
works as well.
So it's
very important and a very relevant point that the Member opposite had raised.
I want
to go back to the Member for Bonavista, when he talked about schools and
properties. I want to highlight some areas of success that have happened on the
Great Northern Peninsula. We have repurposed a school. It's now the town centre,
the former Roncalli high school in Port Saunders. They have basically moved
their town hall and their recreation centre, and their fire department all under
one roof. They also brought in the Family Resource Centre, the 50-plus club
organization there. They've added a youth centre. They're looking to add a
Status of Women council there, and other services for the community. This has
had a great level of success.
Additionally, when the White Hills Academy was built, there were three former
schools that basically came together to create the K to 12 school. One had to be
demolished to create the green space, and that was done under our government,
for the youth. The other school, the HCC, has just been in partnership with St.
Anthony Basin Resources to see that demolished so the land space there would be
able to make more affordable housing units, which is right adjacent to the
hospital. The pharmacy is just down the road. We have various services in and
around that area. So we could look at growing capacity in and around that
region. It's through partnerships where we can really make things work and make
things happen.
When it
comes to supporting small business, because the Leader of the NDP has talked
about the importance of supporting small business. Well, I can say that our
government has been very supportive of small business in Newfoundland and
Labrador. We have the third-lowest small business tax in the country at 3 per
cent – something we're very proud of.
When it
comes to building capacity, we work with the Minister of Education in particular
to make sure that we're adding challenging and educational and innovative
supports in schools. We partner with Brilliant Labs so that youth in high
schools and elementary schools can participate in coding activity. That's really
important, because not every youth that participates in coding will become a
software or computer engineer or developer, but they will be challenged to be a
problem solver, to look for solutions, to be innovative, to be creative, and
it'll help them in their career path as they move forward to capitalize on all
the opportunities that Newfoundland and Labrador certainly has.
We have
opportunities in all sectors of the economy and all areas of this province. You
only have to look at the beautiful District of Fortune Bay - Cape La Hune and
see the incredible and dynamic investment that's taking place in aquaculture and
the supply and service. That spinoff is being felt in districts like Grand
Falls-Windsor – Buchans, Exploits and also Terra Nova and in other areas.
Fortune
Bay - Cape La Hune has a tremendous potential for tourism. I've driven down
there, and to see – coming from the Great Northern Peninsula and having gems
like Gros Morne National Park, L'Anse aux Meadows UNESCO World Heritage Site and
going into Labrador and having Red Bay – three UNESCOs all pocketed in an area –
and seeing investment in a new ferry service that also has accessibility
improvements and will improve the experience for the visitors for transportation
services, for business and for tourism in that area.
I want
to highlight that Fortune Bay - Cape La Hune, going down to Wreck Cove, they
have the fjords that are so beautiful. They are comparable to Gros Morne
National Park. We have various areas down there from a bus tour point of view.
The communities like François or Rencontre East, these are places that you would
want to see – Harbour Breton, and their connection to – I talked about the
Newman Wine Vaults and our Provincial Historic Site, they are part of that port
story and that history in Newfoundland and Labrador.
Our
Provincial Historic Sites last year had a record-breaking year – or the first
time ever, more than 100,000 visitors on site.
If we go
around and we look at areas like the beautiful District of Harbour Grace - Port
de Grave, we see a lot of business activity taking place here in this area. We
talk about a church that is being converted to make a hotel and beer spa with
the craft brewing industry that's taking place.
We also
see what's happening in Bay Roberts with new retail outlets, like Pipers being
relocated there, festivals and activities. There's a lot happening in that area.
I think we're going to be up on a new celebration around Amelia Earhart and its
place in history, because Harbour Grace does have a key part in aviation history
in this province as well.
We look
at the craft brewing industry, like the Baccalieu Brewing Company, and I look
forward to having an opportunity to get out there with the Member and talk to
the owners because there's so much opportunity all around this province. As the
province's Tourism, Culture, Industry and Innovation Minister, I think it's very
important to be engaged and connected and talk to industry partners,
stakeholders, small business, and look for those opportunities.
Our
staff are, throughout the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, ready to be
connected and help small business grow and take on new innovative opportunities
that are out there, and watch our Tourism sector continue to be active and
proactive and make sure that we're capitalizing on all those opportunities. That
when people come here, they have the best possible visitor experience. That
we're making sure we have good wayfinding and touchpoints.
We've
done a big investment with the City of St. John's to partner with new signage
and wayfinding to help people navigate the city and the key attractions and
areas, but not just the city. This is done in partnership with all the suburban
towns. So places like Portugal Cove - St. Philip's and Bell Island, I say to the
Member for Conception Bay East - Bell Island, will benefit from this. They will
be able to promote their great tourism assets in the area and also connect
people to St. John's. So people are doing more day trips. People will be
spending more in the economy.
These
are the types of things we're doing. We're also seeing where there would be
investment in Torbay and Conception Bay South, because all around the
metropolitan area of St. John's – and Mount Pearl as well, we have Admiralty
House Museum, which I've been a proud former board member of that museum and
their point in telecommunications history, and the
SS Florizel and what they're doing for the Centre of the Arts and
The Annex. It's a great location.
There's
lots of opportunity that we have here in Newfoundland and Labrador. As Members,
the onus is on us to highlight those opportunities, to work with stakeholders,
to work with academia, small business and with our residents to find solutions
and move forward.
Budget
2019-20 certainly moves us forward. It
takes us onward, and it brings us in a direction that is positive and will lead
to new prosperity here in Newfoundland and Labrador. As the youngest Member in
this House, I'm very excited to be able to say that.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
CHAIR:
Seeing no further speakers,
shall the resolution carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against?
Carried.
On
motion, resolution carried.
A bill,
“An Act To Authorize The Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province.” (Bill
3)
CLERK (Barnes):
Clause 1.
CHAIR:
Shall clause 1 carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, clause 1 carried.
CLERK:
Clauses 2 through 6
inclusive.
CHAIR:
Shall clauses 2 through 6
inclusive carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, clauses 2 through 6 inclusive, carried.
CLERK:
Be it enacted by the
Lieutenant-Governor and House of Assembly in Legislative Session convened, as
follows:
CHAIR:
Shall the enacting clause
carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, enacting clause carried.
CLERK:
An Act To Authorize The
Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province.
CHAIR:
Does the long title carry?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, title carried.
CHAIR:
Shall I report Bill 3 carried
without amendment?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
Motion,
that the Committee report having passed the bill without amendment, carried.
CHAIR:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Mr. Chair, I move that the
Committee rise and report the resolution and Bill 3.
CHAIR:
The motion is that the
Committee rise and report the resolution and Bill 3.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt this motion?
All
those in favour, 'aye.'
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
CHAIR:
All those against, 'nay.'
Carried.
On
motion, that the Committee rise, report progress and ask leave to sit again, the
Speaker returned to the Chair.
MR.
SPEAKER (Trimper):
The hon. the Member for St. George's - Humber and Chair of the
Committee of Ways and Means.
MR.
REID: Mr.
Speaker, the Committee of Ways and Means have considered the matters to them
referred and have directed me to report that they have adopted a certain
resolution and recommend that a bill be introduced to give effect to the same.
MR.
SPEAKER: The
Chair of the Committee of Ways and Means reports that the Committee have
considered the matters to them referred and have adopted a certain resolution
and recommend that a bill be introduced to give effect to the same.
When
shall the report be received?
MR.
A. PARSONS: Now.
MR.
SPEAKER: Now.
On
motion, report received and adopted.
MR.
SPEAKER: The hon.
the Government House Leader.
MR.
A. PARSONS: Mr.
Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury
Board, that the resolution be now read a first time.
MR.
SPEAKER: It is
moved and seconded that the resolution be now read a first time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour?
SOME
HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER: All
those against?
The
motion is carried.
CLERK: Be it
resolved by the House of Assembly in Legislative Session convened, as follows:
“That
it is expedient to bring in a measure to authorize the raising from time to time
by way of loan on the credit of the Province a sum of money not exceeding
$1,200,000,000.”
On
motion, resolution read a first time.
MR.
SPEAKER: The hon.
the Government House Leader.
MR.
A. PARSONS: Mr.
Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury
Board, that the resolution be now read a second time.
MR.
SPEAKER: It is
moved and seconded that the resolution be now read a second time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour?
SOME
HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER: All
those against?
The
motion is carried.
CLERK:
Second reading of the resolution.
On
motion, resolution read a second time.
MR.
SPEAKER: The hon.
the Government House Leader.
MR.
A. PARSONS: Mr.
Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury
Board, for leave to introduce a bill entitled, An Act To Authorize The Raising
Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province, Bill 3, and I further move that the
said bill be now read a first time.
MR.
SPEAKER: It is
moved and seconded that the hon. the Government House Leader shall have leave to
introduce Bill 3, and that the said bill be now read a first time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour?
SOME
HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER: All
those against?
The
motion is carried.
Motion,
the hon. the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury Board to introduce a
bill, “An Act To Authorize The Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province,”
carried. (Bill 3)
CLERK: A bill, An
Act To Authorize The Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province. (Bill 3)
On
motion, Bill 3 read a first time.
MR.
SPEAKER: The hon.
the Government House Leader.
MR.
A. PARSONS: Mr.
Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury
Board, that Bill 3 be now read a second time.
MR.
SPEAKER: It is
moved and seconded that the said bill be now read a second time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour?
SOME
HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER: All
those against?
The motion is carried.
CLERK: A bill, An
Act To Authorize The Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province. (Bill 3)
On
motion, Bill 3 read a second time.
MR.
SPEAKER: The hon.
the Government House Leader.
MR.
A. PARSONS: Mr.
Speaker, I move, seconded by the Minister of Finance and President of Treasury
Board, that Bill 3 be now read a third time.
MR.
SPEAKER: It is
moved and seconded that Bill 3 be now read a third time.
Is it
the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
All
those in favour?
SOME
HON. MEMBERS:
Aye.
MR.
SPEAKER: All
those against?
The motion is carried.
CLERK:
A bill, An Act To Authorize
The Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The Province. (Bill 3)
MR. SPEAKER:
This bill has now been read a third time and it is ordered that the bill do pass
and its title be as on the Order Paper.
On
motion, a bill, “An Act To Authorize The Raising Of Money By Way Of Loan By The
Province,” read a third time, ordered passed and its title be as on the Order
Paper. (Bill 3)
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Government House
Leader.
MR. A. PARSONS:
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I call from
the Order Paper, Motion 4, the Budget Speech.
MR. SPEAKER:
The hon. the Minister of
Children, Seniors and Social Development and the MHA for Cartwright - L'Anse au
Clair.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MS. DEMPSTER:
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
The
Member for Cape St. Francis thinks he represents a beautiful district, and he
reminds us every other day, but I'll tell you, I have had the tremendous
privilege over the last – on the 25th, I'm not sure what the date is today, but
it'll soon be six years of representing Cartwright - L'Anse au Clair.
I'm
going to talk about some of the changes we've seen in Cartwright - L'Anse au
Clair since I was elected on the 25th of June in 2013. I didn't take my seat in
the House until November of that year because the House was closed. As a matter
of fact, we're finding it kind of warm in here because we don't normally sit in
June, Mr. Speaker. I was elected in June and I had to wait until November to
take my seat.
When I
look around the Legislature, I see a lot of changes in less than six years. I
think I see maybe four people, max, on the other side that were here when I
came, and there are only three or four on this side. I remind myself all the
time of who I work for and who hired me. Yes, you have to be a team player. Yes,
those of us who are in departments have to take that responsibility very, very
serious and do the best job we can, but, ultimately, we're hired and fired by
the people we work for, Mr. Speaker.
It is
very humbling, and I talked about that a little bit the other day, when people
give of their time to be involved on your campaign, but more humbling when
people go behind that ballot box and put their X for you. That's not something
you take lightly. I would venture to say that if you did, your career here as a
Member of the House of Assembly would not be very long.
Mr.
Speaker, I don't have an economics background, but I have a friend that often
talks about the first principle of economics is that you allocate money based on
need. In Labrador, a land so rich, we're steeped in culture, a land that has
contributed to this province so much through Voisey's Bay and continuing to do
so, as we see Voisey's going underground now, in Lab West through our iron ore,
work happening in my district with Search Minerals, Mr. Speaker, I often say we
were weighed in the balance and we were found wanting.
When I
put my name on a ballot there were many, many things we didn't have in the
district. I spent every weekend driving on gravel roads in the spring and in the
fall. That was pretty mucky. If I was flying into Goose Bay, I had 420
kilometres of road that I would stand here on petitions day after day and talk
about my husband telling me to stick to the high points with my vehicle on the
road. Some people here probably wouldn't have understood what he meant. That's
how 'trenchy' it was. If I flew into Blanc-Sablon after I left the 40-year-old
pavement in Red Bay, I was driving the other 200-plus kilometres on very bad
road.
Mr.
Speaker, when we formed government in 2015, we were not in good shape. We had
all of these needs in the district in Labrador, but we thought we had a $1
billion deficit and it turned out to be $2.7 billion. We were coming off 12
years of a government – and I'm going to mostly focus on the future but I'm
going to glance back.
Some
people say stop talking about the past, you're now in government, govern and
move forward. Yes, that's true. There's a reason why our windshield, as I often
say, is bigger than our rear-view mirror because we are moving ahead but
sometimes you have to glance back in that rear-view mirror. You have to look to
the past and you have to learn from it.
We had
12 years of rule by a PC administration, Mr. Speaker, where we really didn't see
any benefit of that in Labrador; $25 billion in oil, the most ever in our
history.
We don't
hear as much about Muskrat Falls, Mr. Speaker, but
Hansard is a wonderful thing.
Hansard records every word that comes out of our mouth. It's a sobering
thing. It's a responsible thing that comes out of our mouth, Mr. Speaker,
forever, I guess, that's recorded somewhere.
Hansard
will show that I was on my feet many, many, many times in this House opposing
Muskrat Falls. I had big concern that the Joint Review Panel, who was put
together to see if this was the least-cost option for the province, didn't get
to finish their review. I had concerns that the UARB in Nova Scotia was sizing
things up to see if it was the best deal for them. We had that billion-dollar
cable going to Nova Scotia; yet, our own PUB did not have that luxury, Mr.
Speaker.
We had a
lot of concerns as a province of 500,000 people in how we would pay for this
$6.6 billion, which turned out to be more than double, Mr. Speaker. I
represented a district – this was in our backyard practically. I had people who
were trying to get work there, that couldn't get work. We were seeing no
benefits and we had a lot of concerns.
The
Liberal Opposition at that time, Mr. Speaker, led the longest filibuster in
history. We were not happy with that. So all of a sudden we formed government,
and the Minister of Natural Resources will know that myself and my colleague,
Randy Edmunds, and others at the time, we thought we could stop that. We thought
the province can't afford it, and how are we going to pay for this? There are so
many things we need.
Mr.
Speaker, by the time we did form government – and I've had to answer those
questions many times to people that I represent in Labrador. We had passed the
point of no return, Mr. Speaker. We had the $5-billion loan guarantee in Ottawa,
that if we defaulted, any benefits from the project would have accrued to the
Government of Canada.
We had,
I think it was, five large pieces being customized, built around the world for
the lower generating station. The cable I talked about for Nova Scotia was
already built. The subsea cable across the Strait of Belle Isle was already
done. So all we had to do was try to find a way to manage our way through that
and, hopefully, Mr. Speaker, 10 years down the road or so we'll see some benefit
from that.
The only
reason I reference Muskrat Falls, Mr. Speaker, is day after day after day I sit
here, and I guess I am one of the handful that was around the longest right now
in this Legislature, and people talk about the things we did as a government.
People will never forget Budget 2016,
talking about the bills, talking about the taxes. Did we want to do that, Mr.
Speaker? Of course not.
We went
around and we knocked on people's doors, give me your support. I want to help
make my little corner of the world better, and people put their trust in us.
But, Mr. Speaker, when we found ourselves facing a $2.7 billion deficit when we
thought it was $1 billion, we had to make responsible choices.
I have a
daughter here in university. I'm concerned about her future. She loves this
place that we call home. She loves Labrador in particular, Mr. Speaker, and
she's back every chance she gets.
So when
people talk about the seniors and they're worried about their light bill, good
reason, Mr. Speaker, they're worried about their light bill. The previous
administration left an affordability legacy that's not soon going to be
forgotten in this province. So tough choices had to be made.
I grew
up, Mr. Speaker, I was raised by my grandparents. There were 12 in the family.
Pretty much everyone else who went through the little community of Charlottetown
where I lived, it seemed they overnighted there, too. There was always a lot of
people in our house. From the youngest age, I saw my grandmother – she called it
making do – I saw her doing more with less all of the time.
I
thought about that a lot, Mr. Speaker, after we formed government. The list of
the programs and services that we needed to provide in this province, and the
list of needs in the districts around the province was long, but the money that
was available to address those needs was not long. So, Mr. Speaker, from the
very first budget we brought in we had to figure out, how do we do more with
less?
Mr.
Speaker, when I was going through the budget,
Working towards a brighter future over the last couple of days, I
thought this government, the Liberal government, has done a pretty good job of
doing more with less, given the fiscal situation we were in.
It's
easy, Mr. Speaker, to get up and talk about the taxes and the things that were
implemented. What do you do, Mr. Speaker? Think about your own household. If you
have your own household and you have lots of money rolling in, you really don't
have to worry when you go to the grocery store if you're going to buy a no-name
or if you're going to buy something else. If you go out and you like a little
bit of retail therapy like I do sometimes, you don't have to worry about if it's
a designer brand or if it's something else, but when the rubber meets the road
and you have no money or you have very little money, you have to make tough
choices.
Despite
that, there's been some wonderful things in this budget for my district. Work
continues on the Trans-Labrador Highway. We're absolutely pleased to be opening
up Labrador to the outside world. There are 122.5 kilometres of pavement in the
last year going down through the District of Cartwright L'Anse au Clair toward
your district, Mr. Speaker, up in Lake Melville. There are lots of people from
all parts of the world that want to come.
Just
today, myself and the Minister of Tourism were talking about the tourism numbers
in Battle Harbour, which is a little gem in my district, up 45 per cent. It's an
island in the middle of the ocean. It takes you back in time, lots of history
there to a time when cod was king; yet, you have all the amenities of your 9,000
thread count sheets. You're going to sit in a little dining area with sealskin
chairs and things like that.
When you
go there for a meal, and I encourage all of my colleagues, if you get an
opportunity to visit Battle Harbour, you will eat dinner with people from all
around the world, and the numbers are continuing to grow. We have Red Bay, World
Heritage UNESCO site. We have the second tallest lighthouse in Atlantic Canada
in Point Amour – the second tallest in the country, sorry, the tallest in
Atlantic Canada, and the numbers are growing. We have Cartwright in the northern
part of my district that is now a gateway to the Mealy Mountains Park.
So much
potential; yet, Mr. Speaker, whether it was broadband, whether it was cellular,
whether it was the roads, we were seriously lacking with infrastructure needs in
Cartwright - L'Anse au Clair and in Labrador. I'm proud to say, when I travel
around the province and when I'm in Labrador, there has never been a government
since 1949 that has invested money in Labrador like this. Never has there been a
government that has invested, that saw the merit, which saw that Labrador has
given her fair share to this province and wanted to give something back.
We have
a number of Indigenous groups in Labrador. As the Minister of Children, Seniors
and Social Development, child welfare is housed in that department. I've worked
very closely with the Indigenous groups in particular over the last two years.
I, myself, am of Inuit descent, and I am a member of the NunatuKavut Community
Council, a proud member of the NunatuKavut Community Council, where I've heard
that president say he has never, since he's been president, had an open door
with the premier, any premier before, like he's had now with this current
Premier of the day, Mr. Speaker.
It's
about building relationships. It's about building partnerships. If there's one
thing that we have gotten good at in 2015 since we formed government and having
very little money to work with, is building partnerships. We may not have –
either it could be a good idea, there could be a project that's going to boost
an area economically, it's going to improve things socially, but we may not have
all the money to bring it to the table.
In
Cartwright - L'Anse au Clair, in particular, we have done a tremendous amount of
work by partnering with NunatuKavut Community Council. By partnering with
Nunacor, the economic arm of NunatuKavut.
The
Labrador Fishermen's Union Shrimp Company – and I mention them every time I'm on
my feet – they keep the lights on in my district. Over 700 people, I believe,
employed in the five processing facilities that are in my district. The only
shrimp processing facility in Labrador happens to be in my community, and I live
rather close to it. The smell's not great on a good day, but the money sure is
clean and goes a long way, Mr. Speaker, and we appreciate the work they do, not
only with the processing facilities but in the way they give back to the
communities. So we've done a lot with partnerships.
A couple
of things – and I want to mention the fishery, Mr. Speaker. Sometimes when I'm
back in my district, and it happened again this weekend, I had an elderly
gentleman in L'Anse-au-Loup and he said: I think you're doing a good job, but we
don't hear much about the fishery. We don't hear you guys talking enough about
the fishery. And maybe we don't; that great renewable resource that keeps so
many of our rural communities alive.
We're so
pleased we have $10 million in the Atlantic Fisheries Fund to support the
fishery, to look at ways that fisherpeople can be innovative. Money that we're
all concerned these days about the environment, as we should be. New technology;
there's money available to support fishermen so that when they're pulling their
nets they're not destroying the ocean bottom maybe like years ago.
Mr.
Speaker, I want to touch on a couple of things that are not district related.
They're provincial, and it certainly benefits my district. Mental health, what
we have done as a government to improve services and access to mental health. I
have said it many, many times when I've been speaking, I represented a district
where we needed municipal infrastructure. We're still working on the amount of
water and sewer we need. We still have communities that don't have community
centres, and the list goes on, but you can have all of that you want. You can
have your millions of dollars of investment in infrastructure and roadwork, if
your people aren't well, if your families aren't healthy, your communities will
not be strong and the rest of it doesn't matter, Mr. Speaker.
I was a
member of the All-Party Committee on Mental Health and Addictions, and that's an
experience I won't soon forget. Mental health is something that touches every
single family, Mr. Speaker. You have a family member who breaks their arm, you
race off and you get them a cast and you fix their arm, but with mental health,
you sit there and you feel pretty helpless a lot of the time. You want to fix it
but the brain is very complex and sometimes it takes some time to get them on
the road to recovery, and then it's not uncommon, perhaps, that they slip back.
Mental
health, mental illness, Mr. Speaker, is no respecter of persons. They come from
all walks of life. They come from all levels of income. While I was travelling
the province as a member of the all-party committee, we had groups that
presented to us and we had physicians that presented to us, but it was the
people with the lived experience, it was their stories that stay with you
forever and that drive you to want to make a difference.
Our
Premier, if it was one thing he wanted to leave as his legacy, as a Premier, it
was to improve access to mental health services.
I can
look in my very own district and I can see opening doorways and all the little
clinics in my various communities now. People can walk in without appointments
and get that very important help they need because, as I said, while we need all
the other things to advance our communities, Mr. Speaker, you have to be well to
be able to appreciate them.
I want
to acknowledge my colleague, the Minister of Health, who has done some
tremendous work in that area as well.
Another
area I want to mention, Mr. Speaker, is
The Premier's Task Force on Improving Educational Outcomes and the wonderful
work that is happening around that. Mr. Speaker, some here would know that back
in 2012, with the support of my community, I led the charge on us getting a new
school in that community. I felt pretty strongly that our children, no matter
where they live, deserved an equal opportunity for an education, and there are
some wonderful things coming.
I had so
much more to say, Mr. Speaker, but I see my time on the clock is expired. It
always goes very fast when you're up. I'm sure I'll get another opportunity to
continue to talk about why I'm very happy to support
Budget 2019 because it is taking us toward a brighter future.
Thank
you.
SOME HON. MEMBERS:
Hear, hear!
MR. SPEAKER:
Thank you.
This being Wednesday, and in accordance with Standing Order 9, this House stands adjourned until tomorrow at 1:30 o'clock.